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Doodley

(11,992 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:22 PM Nov 2024

I live in a swing state gone red and have Trumpers in my wife's family. Should I cancel them?

I can't face people who have voted to take other people's rights away. Now that is actually going to happen.
The people of America are going to lose rights we have taken for granted.

Should I avoid the Trumpers without being rude? This is what I would like to do. Or should I grin and bear it and see them at holidays?

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I live in a swing state gone red and have Trumpers in my wife's family. Should I cancel them? (Original Post) Doodley Nov 2024 OP
Cancel is a stupid word...they've successfully redefined it, so we should drop it Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #1
Thanks. Some won't follow ground rules, maybe a few will. Doodley Nov 2024 #23
A ground rule spells out consequences for not following it Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #32
Everyone has to bring $100 to give to someone for safekeeping, & sign a doc agreeing to the rules. CrispyQ Nov 2024 #83
We could also mgo with "Bring up politics get your ass kicked behind the bar" Irish bar rule Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #84
I like that game. Where the fuck do they play that at? SoFlaBro Nov 2024 #88
Or don't walk away, push back with hard facts/truths that they live with, and ask, "you call yourselves Christian?" ancianita Nov 2024 #89
But they have guns! Doodley Nov 2024 #91
But so do we! If rudeness isn't a setup for murder, then facts shouldn't be, either! False equivalency! ancianita Nov 2024 #96
Agree re. "cancel" - my verb of choice is going to be "erase" . . . hatrack Nov 2024 #97
I guess that depends on the whole dynamic, how close your wife is Ocelot II Nov 2024 #2
Give them time. no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #3
I'll give them 10 years then! Doodley Nov 2024 #24
I kicked all the trumpers in my life to the curb in 2016. Best thing I ever did. Meadowoak Nov 2024 #4
I have as well. CanonRay Nov 2024 #10
Outside Of My Business, Exactly Where I'm At nt SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #12
you won't regret it. Meadowoak Nov 2024 #14
I did stop talking to the really bad ones, but it's mostly difficult for me to ignore the rest SunImp Nov 2024 #74
Couldn't agree more. bovine6 Nov 2024 #87
If they are going to dampen your holidays displacedvermoter Nov 2024 #5
I have to consider my wife's wishes too. She wants me there. Doodley Nov 2024 #25
Do your best displacedvermoter Nov 2024 #72
Going to happen? Septua Nov 2024 #6
Yes, I've phased a few out already. Doodley Nov 2024 #27
Just try not to talk about politics Dennis Donovan Nov 2024 #7
Your Talk-Fu is strong. It can be tough to even discuss the weather anymore TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #20
I can but try. Doodley Nov 2024 #90
If it was me I would absolutely refuse to engage in political dialog with them, and if they can't do that, then I would JohnSJ Nov 2024 #8
They want to have their say, their digs at Democrats, and then silence any responses. Doodley Nov 2024 #30
Well, you can look at them as a medical professional observing the severely ill (mentally or physically)... hlthe2b Nov 2024 #9
Good answer and very funny while being serious! Doodley Nov 2024 #19
Same situation, but blue state Alice Kramden Nov 2024 #11
Have a great time! Thanks! Doodley Nov 2024 #31
Thanks Alice Kramden Nov 2024 #86
I don't understand this sentiment Theproletariat Nov 2024 #51
Not "writing them off" just taking a break. Alice Kramden Nov 2024 #85
It isn't a just a political disagreement. It's one side saying they support that our rights can be taken away. Doodley Nov 2024 #92
It is not a simple political disagreement Desert grandma Nov 2024 #107
It's about values. Life is way too short to have LuckyLib Nov 2024 #110
Bid your time Ferryboat Nov 2024 #13
It takes time for them to fuck up what we put in place for them to steal credit for TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #28
Thay will blame Joe Biden. Doodley Nov 2024 #33
Hey, I'm ghosting two siblings -misanthroptimist Nov 2024 #15
I'm sorry to hear that. That's tough. Doodley Nov 2024 #34
Life is short Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #16
I agree we should not submit. We must stand up for the America we know. Doodley Nov 2024 #95
Absolutely. Never speak to them. NameAlreadyTaken Nov 2024 #17
Thanks for the advice. I've been in ER a few times with sky high BP. Doodley Nov 2024 #21
They are already harming you. They are toxic. NameAlreadyTaken Nov 2024 #43
Don't let your wife become a widow. delisen Nov 2024 #46
Thank you. My wife would go without me. Doodley Nov 2024 #98
Yes, cancel them. Paladin Nov 2024 #18
I think I will try to ignore them, but if I must see them, say hello but not much more. Doodley Nov 2024 #100
We have a "no politics" rule in conversation splat Nov 2024 #22
How do you enjoy "other aspects" demodonkey Nov 2024 #53
Ordinary rednecks splat Nov 2024 #111
Losing family members over a vote is not a healthy way to live NorthCountryLib Nov 2024 #26
The politics is just a game bullshit is a lie. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #44
Absolutely disagree. Anybody who openly supports the party that is taking MY niyad Nov 2024 #45
Playing devils advocate Theproletariat Nov 2024 #54
Watch the movie "Gentleman's Agreement" demodonkey Nov 2024 #58
It doesn't FUCKING matter what they promise, say,or don't say, niyad Nov 2024 #64
It's not over a vote, it is over their core beliefs. demodonkey Nov 2024 #55
Well stated La Coliniere Nov 2024 #68
Toxic, brainwashed, boring family members? Hateful, insulting family members? hatrack Nov 2024 #66
sometimes you can respond "Please leave. And I mean now." CTyankee Nov 2024 #69
I don't hate. If I cancel any Trumpers it is for health and mental well-being reasons. Doodley Nov 2024 #75
Seat them in the backyard or in the garage MrWowWow Nov 2024 #29
Funny! Doodley Nov 2024 #76
Good one SunImp Nov 2024 #78
I shitcanned every single one of my family HAB911 Nov 2024 #35
Let them know they are fascist enablers. Then avoid them.🔚 JohnQFunk Nov 2024 #36
Did this to the first group of relatives in 2016 La Coliniere Nov 2024 #71
Not showing up on the holidays is not canceling them LuvLoogie Nov 2024 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Nov 2024 #38
Bake them a special cake Prairie_Seagull Nov 2024 #39
Not showing up on the holidays is not canceling them LuvLoogie Nov 2024 #40
If your first instinct is to avoid them, that is what you should do Marigold Nov 2024 #41
I'm facing the exact same question. yardwork Nov 2024 #42
No Turbineguy Nov 2024 #47
Family is tough... Happy Hoosier Nov 2024 #48
toxic electron_blue Nov 2024 #49
Exactly - if not now, then when? hatrack Nov 2024 #67
We'll Be Back Eventually TomJulie Nov 2024 #50
It's not all about you demodonkey Nov 2024 #57
I Understand TomJulie Nov 2024 #65
Yes dump them NoRethugFriends Nov 2024 #52
No - I'm sure many have done nice things for you over the years womanofthehills Nov 2024 #56
Exactly Theproletariat Nov 2024 #61
If you are attacked for your views by them, say this... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2024 #59
I can't face them either..BUT.. albacore Nov 2024 #60
The redditt Leopards Ate My Face page had this comment GoneOffShore Nov 2024 #62
Although I got rid of some parts of past life, I have not gone scorched earth. Tetrachloride Nov 2024 #63
Nope. Have them over and subtly share stories about the fallout that's already occurring ecstatic Nov 2024 #70
I have a few Maga family members & coworkers that I have to deal with every now and then SunImp Nov 2024 #73
Slowly see less and less of them zorbasd Nov 2024 #77
Yes absolutely. drray23 Nov 2024 #79
Don't grin and bear it wryter2000 Nov 2024 #80
I have, character of those who vote for fascism is something I don't want in my life. nt yaesu Nov 2024 #81
You say your wife wants you there... Ysabel Nov 2024 #82
Our TG will feature some relatives who are Trump voters, and others who are not. I plan to be polite. Hekate Nov 2024 #93
I would avoid them Dave says Nov 2024 #94
Yes K221 Nov 2024 #99
Do you need to see them, or can you call off sick? haele Nov 2024 #101
A personal experience misanthrope Nov 2024 #102
I have a business acquaintance who is a died in the wool hard right trumpster and his kids and ex-wife will have.. yourout Nov 2024 #103
When I gave myself permission to NOT do things I didn't really want to do, my life got better. July Nov 2024 #104
Interesting thread soandso Nov 2024 #105
Do whatever brings you peace. Raven123 Nov 2024 #106
I would diplomatically cut them off kansasobama Nov 2024 #108
In a heartbeat. They have to be told that there moniss Nov 2024 #109

Prairie Gates

(8,319 posts)
1. Cancel is a stupid word...they've successfully redefined it, so we should drop it
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 2024

There's a good argument for avoiding such people completely. There are also good arguments for simply setting groundrules for them: they say something political and rude and you're gone. That would be my take.

Prairie Gates

(8,319 posts)
32. A ground rule spells out consequences for not following it
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:00 PM
Nov 2024

If you set ground rules, you need to follow through on the consequences.

CrispyQ

(41,026 posts)
83. Everyone has to bring $100 to give to someone for safekeeping, & sign a doc agreeing to the rules.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 05:05 PM
Nov 2024

If you bring up politics you forfeit your cash & have to leave. Any money left goes to the host or a raffle for those left.

🎄

Prairie Gates

(8,319 posts)
84. We could also mgo with "Bring up politics get your ass kicked behind the bar" Irish bar rule
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:04 PM
Nov 2024

But yours is probably better.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
89. Or don't walk away, push back with hard facts/truths that they live with, and ask, "you call yourselves Christian?"
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:15 PM
Nov 2024

"You think that makes this a civilized country or a free country or an educated country?

Because right now half the country thinks you're evil." THEN walk away.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
96. But so do we! If rudeness isn't a setup for murder, then facts shouldn't be, either! False equivalency!
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:49 PM
Nov 2024

Trump's given them the permission to be rude.

NOW we, face to face, give them a permission structure to be christian and factual, and not parrots with guns.

Last time I had an argument with a MAGA was this morning on the way to Mass. Even before we got to Mass, I had to forgive her. But I reminded her that "a vote for a criminal is a dumb vote" and that her vote will hurt her and millions of others over the next four years.
Because ... Loving your neighbor doesn't mean you have to like them, or not challenge them.
At Mass we said the Lord's Prayer with the congregation and strive to live by it: "... thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us..." and then after, we went out to breakfast, and will better be able to move on more trustingly.
But I'll have four years to remind her which party gives and which party takes away.

hatrack

(64,999 posts)
97. Agree re. "cancel" - my verb of choice is going to be "erase" . . .
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:52 PM
Nov 2024

It's going to be as if they and I had never met.

Ocelot II

(130,860 posts)
2. I guess that depends on the whole dynamic, how close your wife is
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:28 PM
Nov 2024

to them, what the consequences to others in the family might be. Are these in-laws people you've usually gotten along with? Would you or your wife miss them? Would they miss you? Are children involved? Or have they been hostile, ignorant assholes all along? There are probably ways to beg off holiday get-togethers without being overtly rude; you could just say you'd decided to have a quiet Thanksgiving/Christmas at home with your wife. If you want, you could snarkily add that, considering how bad inflation was going to get next year, you'll be cutting way back and not spending money unnecessarily on things like holiday celebrations.

no_hypocrisy

(55,102 posts)
3. Give them time.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 2024

Some Germans recovered from Hitler.

Some Americans recovered from Joe McCarthy and Nixon.

Just don't engage if they go MAGA on you.

Meadowoak

(6,606 posts)
4. I kicked all the trumpers in my life to the curb in 2016. Best thing I ever did.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 2024

I found out 1 friend voted for trump on Tuesday. She's gone now too. I just don' t want them around me. Not good for my health.

SunImp

(2,720 posts)
74. I did stop talking to the really bad ones, but it's mostly difficult for me to ignore the rest
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 2024

displacedvermoter

(4,774 posts)
5. If they are going to dampen your holidays
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 2024

I wouldn't bother with them. Especially if they -- Xmas, etc -- are an important part of your annual traditions. But that is me, I have been told just yesterday by a DUer that I was bitter and angry. So true.....

Septua

(2,964 posts)
6. Going to happen?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 2024

I'm surprised you haven't already taken one or the other position and made a decision.

Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
7. Just try not to talk about politics
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:30 PM
Nov 2024

There are Trumpers in my life that I have to occasionally communicate with. I just keep the conversation off of anything that could be turned political.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
20. Your Talk-Fu is strong. It can be tough to even discuss the weather anymore
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:49 PM
Nov 2024

with the hurricane control systems and Jewish space lasers.

It can sometimes be done but usually requires letting some bit of bullshit pass a time or two and some careful curation of the dialog and sort of coding to their point of view.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
8. If it was me I would absolutely refuse to engage in political dialog with them, and if they can't do that, then I would
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:30 PM
Nov 2024

avoid them.

In most cases I believe that if they start to talk about politics with you if you simply say I don't want to engage in those discussions, they should respect that, otherwise, just excuse yourself and walk away from them and engage with others.


Doodley

(11,992 posts)
30. They want to have their say, their digs at Democrats, and then silence any responses.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:59 PM
Nov 2024

hlthe2b

(114,227 posts)
9. Well, you can look at them as a medical professional observing the severely ill (mentally or physically)...
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:30 PM
Nov 2024

While it might result in some condescension directed toward them, it might be easier for you to accept (and perhaps HOPE for a cure).

If they finally confront you and ask if you agree with them on this or that issue, just remain as dispassionate as possible and calmly say "of course not." (as though speaking to a crazy person, because in some definitions they are)

Alice Kramden

(2,954 posts)
11. Same situation, but blue state
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:32 PM
Nov 2024

Just don't want to see the usual crowd of RW family members. My husband and I are planning a weekend getaway/short road trip to a scenic small town for Thanksgiving. We'll see about the rest of the holidays.

 

Theproletariat

(42 posts)
51. I don't understand this sentiment
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:45 PM
Nov 2024

Writing off family and friends because they disagree politically? Family and friends are the most important things we have in life, so why destroy that over political disagreements?

Do we really want balkanization? Because this is how we get balkanization.

Alice Kramden

(2,954 posts)
85. Not "writing them off" just taking a break.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:08 PM
Nov 2024

This contingent is local. The out-of-town contingent will actually be guests at our house this week - I do value family very much.

Doodley

(11,992 posts)
92. It isn't a just a political disagreement. It's one side saying they support that our rights can be taken away.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:40 PM
Nov 2024

Desert grandma

(1,076 posts)
107. It is not a simple political disagreement
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:41 PM
Nov 2024

We are celebrating our 50th anniversary on Nov 23. Our kids, biologic and adoptive wanted to have a celebration for us. Unfortunately one of our adopted daughters is full blown MAGA and lives in a small ruby red Texas town. So is her husband and their young adult children. MY husband's two siblings are also Republican and Trump voters,(also from Texas and from a Republican area of Calif) though they cloak it in their "Christianity." My husband and I have decided not to participate in this. After much introspection, I realized that it is not that they are Republicans, and we are Democrats that makes us uncomfortable around them. It is because they support an immoral man that has cheated in his business and personal life. He promotes cruelty to minorities and immigrants. That family members can support this type of immoral and disgusting behavior that attempts to obstruct and eliminate others people's rights says a lot about their character and integrity. We both would feel like hypocrites. I just can not stomach the idea of engaging in this kind of hypocrisy by pretending all is well when it is clearly not.

LuckyLib

(7,053 posts)
110. It's about values. Life is way too short to have
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:08 AM
Nov 2024

to tap dance around folks who hold values that show hatred of and disrespect for basic human rights.

Ferryboat

(1,266 posts)
13. Bid your time
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:35 PM
Nov 2024

When they complain when the economy tanks, say your piece.
It will be extremely hard to do so.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
28. It takes time for them to fuck up what we put in place for them to steal credit for
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:58 PM
Nov 2024

then they weasel out of much of the heat, if not the next election or two but in the long term it is the clean up crew that seems to shoulder most of the blame and distrust.

This cycle we have been in since the 90's is actually a death spiral.

But yeah, 50/50 shot they may temporarily admit regret before eagerly touching the stove again.

I despise these idiot motherfuckers.

-misanthroptimist

(1,674 posts)
15. Hey, I'm ghosting two siblings
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:36 PM
Nov 2024

They each get one more phone call, so I can tell them exactly why I no longer consider them family and that there will be no further contact. After that, they simply will be ignored. I will block them on my phone and will attend no function at which they will be present.

Fascists aren't worth my time. I have nothing to discuss with them.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,344 posts)
16. Life is short
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:36 PM
Nov 2024

The only opinion that matters is yours.
1) They might "cancel" you first
2) Stand up for your opinion
3) Don't ever give in or up - that's what they want

NameAlreadyTaken

(2,305 posts)
17. Absolutely. Never speak to them.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:38 PM
Nov 2024

These people are deadly toxic poison, and if you allow them to be in your life in any way whatsoever, seeing them in person or any communication of any type - they will continue to harm you. For your own peace of mind you must block them out of your life completely and permanently. You have every right to, and your wife has NO say in the matter.

delisen

(7,401 posts)
46. Don't let your wife become a widow.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:20 PM
Nov 2024

If you don’t go consider making those hours very happy and satisfying ones for you.

Doodley

(11,992 posts)
100. I think I will try to ignore them, but if I must see them, say hello but not much more.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:07 PM
Nov 2024

splat

(2,357 posts)
22. We have a "no politics" rule in conversation
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:51 PM
Nov 2024

Whenever the conversation gets anywhere near politics, somebody says, "No politics" and we get back to enjoying other aspects of these inlaws. We don't visit often though.

demodonkey

(3,312 posts)
53. How do you enjoy "other aspects"
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:57 PM
Nov 2024

of people that you know hate other human beings for their race, sex, sexuality, etc. etc? Who support lying, rape, and all sorts of evil? What "other aspects" of these people are so great that they could make anyone see beyond all THAT?

We are so, so far beyond "politics" in this country.

And I am so glad I have no spouse.



splat

(2,357 posts)
111. Ordinary rednecks
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 04:43 PM
Nov 2024

These people aren't rabid haters. They're somewhat coarse, not very well educated, don't have a book or a newspaper in sight in their uncluttered house with big recliners facing their big TV. They think DJT is a hoot, blame Dems for the high price of groceries and giant trans girls making women's sports less fun. As always pocketbook issues trump social ones.

But they love their grown kids and deceased parents, and tell lots of family stories. The sweet kids had been in Sports Medicine in college but switched majors to Finance when they wanted better stuff.

It's only a dinner.

NorthCountryLib

(19 posts)
26. Losing family members over a vote is not a healthy way to live
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:56 PM
Nov 2024

I don't have much to add to this but the drama, drama, drama pushed by the media and repeated all over social media is toxic.
You will survive the next four years. We all will.
Cancelling family members and others you love over this is as bad as being a Trumper.
Hatred of anyone who disagrees, even if they had economic fears.
I think this is a shame.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
44. The politics is just a game bullshit is a lie.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:14 PM
Nov 2024

Yes, real lives and the quality of them really are at stake.

No, we all will not all survive just as we did not all survive the last time and are not all surviving because of their actions right now.

Hundreds if not more families still have not been reunited from their last swing.

Over twenty thousand rape victims have been forced by the state to continue the assault to term in Texas, that shit is real life not a game.

Agree to disagree ends where my nose begins and any other concept can only be from someone that cannot even imagine having skin in what they think is all is just a game, so just pass the yams and grab me a beer it is.

niyad

(133,159 posts)
45. Absolutely disagree. Anybody who openly supports the party that is taking MY
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:15 PM
Nov 2024

rights away, the rights of others, threatening violence, destroying the environment, worshiping a rapist and TRAITOR**, wants taliban-style christo-fascist rule in this country, can drop dead, go to hell, whatever. They do not deserve, nor are they entitled, by any measure or standard, to one nanosecond of my time, energy, attention, or love.

May they all receive everything they deserve.

 

Theproletariat

(42 posts)
54. Playing devils advocate
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:58 PM
Nov 2024

Everything we feel about the right, they feel about the left.

However, if they are willing to be cordial and agree to not speak about politics, what’s the problem?


demodonkey

(3,312 posts)
58. Watch the movie "Gentleman's Agreement"
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:06 PM
Nov 2024

Prime example of "be cordial and agree to not speak about..."

niyad

(133,159 posts)
64. It doesn't FUCKING matter what they promise, say,or don't say,
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:19 PM
Nov 2024

they FUCKING VOTED for the shit show. THEY VOTED, INTENTIONALLY, DELIBERATELY, HATEFULLY, to FUCK everyone else up. They can all go to that hell they love so much.

WE did NOT vote to kill them, no matter what bs they tell themselves..

demodonkey

(3,312 posts)
55. It's not over a vote, it is over their core beliefs.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:59 PM
Nov 2024

It is not "hatred" if you just don't want to be around these kinds of people anymore.

hatrack

(64,999 posts)
66. Toxic, brainwashed, boring family members? Hateful, insulting family members?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:38 PM
Nov 2024

"I was just kidding - can't take a joke?!?" family members?

"God, you liberals are so thin-skinned!!!" family members?

"Hey, did you hear the one about the n****r and the garbage truck?" family members.

Maybe they're related. So what? Doesn't make them good people, interesting people, or people who'll be there if you need them.

CTyankee

(68,302 posts)
69. sometimes you can respond "Please leave. And I mean now."
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:48 PM
Nov 2024

to the "religious" types you can ask "Did they teach you that in your church?"

Doodley

(11,992 posts)
75. I don't hate. If I cancel any Trumpers it is for health and mental well-being reasons.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:32 PM
Nov 2024

My blood pressure has been over 240/240 before. I have to balance my health over certain relationships.
I used to feel hate when I was a teen and in my early twenties, but not for decades.

La Coliniere

(1,956 posts)
71. Did this to the first group of relatives in 2016
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:52 PM
Nov 2024

who supported the felon. More relatives drank the kool-aid over the past week so I had to repeat my stance. “I cannot tolerate the intolerable anymore”, as a fellow DUer stated the other day.

LuvLoogie

(8,856 posts)
37. Not showing up on the holidays is not canceling them
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:05 PM
Nov 2024

Turning your back on them if they were in need of your would be.

I do not want to see the MAGA side of my family. If they want to see me they know where I live.

I cant

Response to Doodley (Original post)

Prairie_Seagull

(4,750 posts)
39. Bake them a special cake
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:08 PM
Nov 2024

with a file embedded. Then using your own good heart say dasvidaniya.

LuvLoogie

(8,856 posts)
40. Not showing up on the holidays is not canceling them
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:08 PM
Nov 2024

Turning your back on them if they were in need of your help would be.

I do not want to see the MAGA side of my family. If they want to see me they know where I live.

I can't spend any energy. Tired of shields up around family.

Marigold

(230 posts)
41. If your first instinct is to avoid them, that is what you should do
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:11 PM
Nov 2024

You said that you can't face them, and your mental health is more important than being polite. Avoiding people who make you feel bad is not cancelling, it is surviving. At some point you may be able to see them and not be rude, but for now, give your self permission to take care of yourself.

yardwork

(69,471 posts)
42. I'm facing the exact same question.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:12 PM
Nov 2024

Canceling them is not an option.

I have committed to speaking up when I hear right-wing lies. I'm not going to be rude or loud. I'm not going to call names or assign labels. What I'm going to do is stop pretending not to hear the next time an entitled Republican drops a lie at the dinner table, certain that nobody will contradict them because of manners. If they have the privilege to bring up politics, I have the privilege to politely rebut.

It's the least I can do for our democracy.

Turbineguy

(40,134 posts)
47. No
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:20 PM
Nov 2024

Try not to. Trump wins if he breaks up your family. And he won't even give a shit if you helped him.

Happy Hoosier

(9,559 posts)
48. Family is tough...
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:23 PM
Nov 2024

I only have my sister left and pretty sure she voted Trump. She’s not a deep thinker. I live her and feel some responsibility for her, but we don’t talk much.

My wife… most of her family are Republicans, even if not enthusiastic Trumpers. Her brother is batshit crazy. And her mom voted Trump for sure… but she is 92 years old and about to move into an assisted living facility. My wife, as the non-crazy child, feels some responsibility for her, naturally. She stands inherit a significant amount from her, but that is not a motivating factor. In fact, I think she would just assume swear it off, but an over half-a-million inheritance would definitely secure our retirement, so my advice is not to grovel for it, but don’t toss it away, either.

In short, family is hard.

electron_blue

(3,623 posts)
49. toxic
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:26 PM
Nov 2024

Politely? No need to be either polite or rude. Just neutral, matter of fact withdrawn will do.

Just remove yourself from their company for at least a few years. I see it more as removing toxic people from your lives. If not now, where do you draw the line?

TomJulie

(131 posts)
50. We'll Be Back Eventually
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:44 PM
Nov 2024

We've gone through this before.
Sure, I wanted Kamala to win as much as the next person but I know you can't win them all. We went through this back in 2016. When trump won I didn't notice any major change in my or my wife's way of life. I did take some friendly fire from some friends at work but I did the same to them when Biden won. It was no big deal to me.
I still have a job, bills to pay and our fridge has lots of good food ready for the grill or for our stove. I'm going to continue doing everything I have always done and will see if we can change things in 2026 mid-terms.

demodonkey

(3,312 posts)
57. It's not all about you
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:02 PM
Nov 2024

Good for you that you "still have a job, bills to pay and our fridge has lots of good food ready for the grill or for our stove."

Many others are not so lucky.

Many more who are lucky now won't be by the end of all this -- maybe even you.

TomJulie

(131 posts)
65. I Understand
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:30 PM
Nov 2024

But all those not so lucky people now were not so lucky under Biden. Even if Kamala won that's no guarantee those of us who who may be considered lucky now, will be as lucky later. No President can guarantee my or anyone's success.

womanofthehills

(10,998 posts)
56. No - I'm sure many have done nice things for you over the years
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:00 PM
Nov 2024

Most of my friends & relatives are Dems , but I have a few Republicans in there. I’m nice to everyone & still friends with all. When I was sick the only 2 friends who brought me soup were my 2 Republican friends. Another friend brought over his Republican BIL - he said I was the nicest Dem he ever talked to.

If we want to help cure the huge division, do it with kindness, not hate.

 

Theproletariat

(42 posts)
61. Exactly
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:11 PM
Nov 2024

I am surrounded by conservatives and we agree to disagree. They have helped me when I was in need without me having to ask, and are generally very good people.

I’m afraid all this division is creating a slippery slope.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,958 posts)
59. If you are attacked for your views by them, say this...
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 2024

"I find it MORALLY repugnant to support, let alone vote for a man ,who has NO respect for the Rule of Law, NO respect for the US Constitution, NO morals, shows NO respect for anyone or anything, nor has character attributes I would find admirable!"

Then decide whether or not you wish to stay among them. If they have any conscious at all, they may regret their vote. At least you stay with your values and principles despite their IGNORANCE.

albacore

(2,747 posts)
60. I can't face them either..BUT..
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:09 PM
Nov 2024

I want to be around for the schadenfreude-fest when the economy flops.
I'm planning on rubbing their noses in it.
I'll be poorer, but there's a certain comfort in being right.

GoneOffShore

(18,025 posts)
62. The redditt Leopards Ate My Face page had this comment
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:11 PM
Nov 2024
Simple Free Market economics. The companionship of Republicans has fallen in value, and people are choosing to get it elsewhere. They can't expect brand loyalty if they're going to shit in the cereal boxes.

Tetrachloride

(9,654 posts)
63. Although I got rid of some parts of past life, I have not gone scorched earth.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:14 PM
Nov 2024

I don't advocate scorched earth. Such a policy plays into their hands.

Be the Jedi.

Otherwise, what we have here (hear ?! accidental pun) is a failure to communicate.

Prepare ye the way.

ecstatic

(35,088 posts)
70. Nope. Have them over and subtly share stories about the fallout that's already occurring
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:49 PM
Nov 2024

because of tRump's tariffs, proposals to cut SS and Medicare, nationwide abortion ban fears, and the concerns about how Americans' teeth will fare after a few years of RFK Jr controlling our food/drug, environmental and health agencies.

Literally every republican president has destroyed the economy over the past 40 years. That's the pattern and we have to start discussing it now, BEFORE IT HAPPENS, to break the cycle of amnesia that occurs every 4 to 8 f*cking years.

SunImp

(2,720 posts)
73. I have a few Maga family members & coworkers that I have to deal with every now and then
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:18 PM
Nov 2024

I'm sure there are a few in the closet ones that I don't know about. A few of them post disgusting memes on social media demeaning LGBT, Woke, Democrats and I just avoid commenting on those posts even though it boils my blood. I think someone of them aren't strong maga supporters like my uncle who has a maga boss and a twisted maga gf who probably have heavily influenced his positions. Whenever we have bonding time or dinners I try to block any nasty things they say out of my mind & hope to get through it quickly. I'm pretty much torturing myself to get some financial help, keep my family together & hopefully see them all despair for what's to come.

zorbasd

(526 posts)
77. Slowly see less and less of them
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:37 PM
Nov 2024

and find new friends to your liking and philosophy in life.

drray23

(8,807 posts)
79. Yes absolutely.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:53 PM
Nov 2024

I dont believe with that nonsense about family ties being more important than everything.

Whether they are friends of family, trumpers are out of my life. Luckily this was a very small number.

However, acquaintances on social media are another matter. I have being purging heavily the past few days after some revealed their true self.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
80. Don't grin and bear it
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:59 PM
Nov 2024

Unless everyone agrees no politics. At the first sign of MAGA, excuse yourself and leave.

yaesu

(9,379 posts)
81. I have, character of those who vote for fascism is something I don't want in my life. nt
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 05:00 PM
Nov 2024

Ysabel

(2,081 posts)
82. You say your wife wants you there...
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 05:04 PM
Nov 2024

Why? For support? To help in case they act mean?

My husband couldn't go with me to visit family in 2018 and so I went on my own. Huge mistake. They treated me like crap. I came back home and lost my mind...

I'm still in recovery...

P.S. Most of my family are NOT repukes just some and the ones who are not think that it's perfectly okay to get picked on by the repuke ones. And the Dems there pick on me too. The men are sexist. They pick on me because of that and they pick on me because I'm not Christian. It isn't perfectly fine. It's mean and I'm not going back ever again...

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
93. Our TG will feature some relatives who are Trump voters, and others who are not. I plan to be polite.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:44 PM
Nov 2024

The hosts are not Trumpers. We’ll only be a couple of miles from home. All this factors in. I believe my favorite nephew-in-law will be there with his hyper-neurotic wife — he and I will have much to talk about.

Life goes on.

haele

(15,474 posts)
101. Do you need to see them, or can you call off sick?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:09 PM
Nov 2024

Are they the type that would get in your face about the election, or would they rather sit around talking football, how the cousins are doing in school, and what Aunt Marcy's latest hobby is?
Do you want to go to see mom or dad, or Grammie one last time?
Check out the closest shelter (any type) or charitable event near to the family event and volunteer to bring food or help serve.
Beforehand, you can always make a quick drop in, drop off some rolls or a pie, say hi to who you want to, then go back to your event or plan to do something else nearby - go to a park and take a long, thoughtful walk if you need to. You might find some hidden never-Trumpers in your family might want to leave with you.

But ultimately, if you feel too sick to visit, you're too sick to visit.

Being good to yourself is more important than sucking it up to pretend to be nice to a bunch of gloating bullies who will rub it in your face every time they can.

Haele

misanthrope

(9,539 posts)
102. A personal experience
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:13 PM
Nov 2024

We're in Alabama so both my family and my wife's are overflowing with Trumpers. My wife's uncle is a wealthy man who lives in a Gilded Age mansion and sees himself as the pater familias eager to give everyone his advice and perspective on everything political. He typically hosts the family Thanksgiving get-together and is fond of starting political talk during the event. It is a difficult thing to stomach when you don't agree with him because there you are, under his roof, eating food that he paid for, and taking issue with him makes a proper guest feel as if they are being ill-mannered or ungrateful. It sucks. He has you cornered psychologically and then is daring you to take disagree with him.

One year he clipped a political cartoon from a newspaper and put it near the buffet table, making sure to point it out to everyone. The cartoon showed a pair of Native Americans staring at masted European ships anchored offshore. One Native is saying to the other, "Don't worry. We have a vetting process."

It was a reference to the recent uproar over Obama allowing Syrian refugees into America. The subtext was that if we let the Syrians into the nation, only calamity would result. Not only was it ironic considering the role of Native Americans in the Thanksgiving holiday mythology, but right next to the cartoon was an award from his leadership roles in the Federation of Syrian-Lebanese Clubs. Their family's primary point of identification is their Lebanese ancestry.

Later that afternoon, he walked up to me and posed a pointed political question. I was at my limit.

"I think it is impolite to discuss divisive subjects at a gathering that is supposed to be about coming together and enjoying each other's company," I said in a mild tone. "I don't think it serves family unity."

He was quiet for a second and then changed the subject. He hasn't stirred any more political talk with me in the years since then.

yourout

(8,850 posts)
103. I have a business acquaintance who is a died in the wool hard right trumpster and his kids and ex-wife will have..
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:13 PM
Nov 2024

Nothing to do with him and will not even let him see his grandkids.
And of course he is a church leader in his church.

July

(4,789 posts)
104. When I gave myself permission to NOT do things I didn't really want to do, my life got better.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:20 PM
Nov 2024

I learned that rocking the boat once to preserve my values/sanity/dignity/whatever was absolutely worth it. And by “rocking the boat” I mean just doing what I wanted to do, not what someone else wanted me to do — not being rude, just standing my ground.

You DO NOT have to explain yourself if you say you’re not coming. Don’t elaborate or counter their “but why?,” because they will just try to challenge whatever reasons you’ve offered. Just keep saying you can’t, or walk away if they badger you. It works! You don’t owe anyone an explanation. Your health is more important than whatever points someone gives you for showing up.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
105. Interesting thread
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 2024

OP, I'd say your first priority would be your blood pressure. I'm sure you take meds but start researching natural ways to lower it. As for cancelling people, if someone makes you feel good when you're around them and you like each other - regardless of politics - keep on enjoying each other. If being around someone stresses you out, you view seeing them as a chore or obligation, then don't be around them. Most importantly, be honest. Don't lie and make up some fake excuse about why.

Raven123

(7,858 posts)
106. Do whatever brings you peace.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:22 PM
Nov 2024

No need to make a permanent decision. You deserve time and space. If it is too stressful to interact with them just step back.

moniss

(9,100 posts)
109. In a heartbeat. They have to be told that there
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:54 PM
Nov 2024

is a social price for knowingly voting to hurt innocent people.

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