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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI live in a swing state gone red and have Trumpers in my wife's family. Should I cancel them?
I can't face people who have voted to take other people's rights away. Now that is actually going to happen.
The people of America are going to lose rights we have taken for granted.
Should I avoid the Trumpers without being rude? This is what I would like to do. Or should I grin and bear it and see them at holidays?
Prairie Gates
(8,319 posts)There's a good argument for avoiding such people completely. There are also good arguments for simply setting groundrules for them: they say something political and rude and you're gone. That would be my take.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,319 posts)If you set ground rules, you need to follow through on the consequences.
CrispyQ
(41,026 posts)If you bring up politics you forfeit your cash & have to leave. Any money left goes to the host or a raffle for those left.
🎄
Prairie Gates
(8,319 posts)But yours is probably better.
SoFlaBro
(3,800 posts)ancianita
(43,313 posts)"You think that makes this a civilized country or a free country or an educated country?
Because right now half the country thinks you're evil." THEN walk away.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)ancianita
(43,313 posts)Trump's given them the permission to be rude.
NOW we, face to face, give them a permission structure to be christian and factual, and not parrots with guns.
Last time I had an argument with a MAGA was this morning on the way to Mass. Even before we got to Mass, I had to forgive her. But I reminded her that "a vote for a criminal is a dumb vote" and that her vote will hurt her and millions of others over the next four years.
Because ... Loving your neighbor doesn't mean you have to like them, or not challenge them.
At Mass we said the Lord's Prayer with the congregation and strive to live by it: "... thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us..." and then after, we went out to breakfast, and will better be able to move on more trustingly.
But I'll have four years to remind her which party gives and which party takes away.
hatrack
(64,999 posts)It's going to be as if they and I had never met.
Ocelot II
(130,860 posts)to them, what the consequences to others in the family might be. Are these in-laws people you've usually gotten along with? Would you or your wife miss them? Would they miss you? Are children involved? Or have they been hostile, ignorant assholes all along? There are probably ways to beg off holiday get-togethers without being overtly rude; you could just say you'd decided to have a quiet Thanksgiving/Christmas at home with your wife. If you want, you could snarkily add that, considering how bad inflation was going to get next year, you'll be cutting way back and not spending money unnecessarily on things like holiday celebrations.
no_hypocrisy
(55,102 posts)Some Germans recovered from Hitler.
Some Americans recovered from Joe McCarthy and Nixon.
Just don't engage if they go MAGA on you.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Meadowoak
(6,606 posts)I found out 1 friend voted for trump on Tuesday. She's gone now too. I just don' t want them around me. Not good for my health.
CanonRay
(16,202 posts)Good riddance
SoCalDavidS
(10,599 posts)Meadowoak
(6,606 posts)SunImp
(2,720 posts)bovine6
(49 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,774 posts)I wouldn't bother with them. Especially if they -- Xmas, etc -- are an important part of your annual traditions. But that is me, I have been told just yesterday by a DUer that I was bitter and angry. So true.....
Doodley
(11,992 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,774 posts)Septua
(2,964 posts)I'm surprised you haven't already taken one or the other position and made a decision.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Dennis Donovan
(31,059 posts)There are Trumpers in my life that I have to occasionally communicate with. I just keep the conversation off of anything that could be turned political.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)with the hurricane control systems and Jewish space lasers.
It can sometimes be done but usually requires letting some bit of bullshit pass a time or two and some careful curation of the dialog and sort of coding to their point of view.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)avoid them.
In most cases I believe that if they start to talk about politics with you if you simply say I don't want to engage in those discussions, they should respect that, otherwise, just excuse yourself and walk away from them and engage with others.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)hlthe2b
(114,227 posts)While it might result in some condescension directed toward them, it might be easier for you to accept (and perhaps HOPE for a cure).
If they finally confront you and ask if you agree with them on this or that issue, just remain as dispassionate as possible and calmly say "of course not." (as though speaking to a crazy person, because in some definitions they are)
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,954 posts)Just don't want to see the usual crowd of RW family members. My husband and I are planning a weekend getaway/short road trip to a scenic small town for Thanksgiving. We'll see about the rest of the holidays.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,954 posts)Theproletariat
(42 posts)Writing off family and friends because they disagree politically? Family and friends are the most important things we have in life, so why destroy that over political disagreements?
Do we really want balkanization? Because this is how we get balkanization.
Alice Kramden
(2,954 posts)This contingent is local. The out-of-town contingent will actually be guests at our house this week - I do value family very much.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Desert grandma
(1,076 posts)We are celebrating our 50th anniversary on Nov 23. Our kids, biologic and adoptive wanted to have a celebration for us. Unfortunately one of our adopted daughters is full blown MAGA and lives in a small ruby red Texas town. So is her husband and their young adult children. MY husband's two siblings are also Republican and Trump voters,(also from Texas and from a Republican area of Calif) though they cloak it in their "Christianity." My husband and I have decided not to participate in this. After much introspection, I realized that it is not that they are Republicans, and we are Democrats that makes us uncomfortable around them. It is because they support an immoral man that has cheated in his business and personal life. He promotes cruelty to minorities and immigrants. That family members can support this type of immoral and disgusting behavior that attempts to obstruct and eliminate others people's rights says a lot about their character and integrity. We both would feel like hypocrites. I just can not stomach the idea of engaging in this kind of hypocrisy by pretending all is well when it is clearly not.
LuckyLib
(7,053 posts)to tap dance around folks who hold values that show hatred of and disrespect for basic human rights.
Ferryboat
(1,266 posts)When they complain when the economy tanks, say your piece.
It will be extremely hard to do so.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)then they weasel out of much of the heat, if not the next election or two but in the long term it is the clean up crew that seems to shoulder most of the blame and distrust.
This cycle we have been in since the 90's is actually a death spiral.
But yeah, 50/50 shot they may temporarily admit regret before eagerly touching the stove again.
I despise these idiot motherfuckers.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)-misanthroptimist
(1,674 posts)They each get one more phone call, so I can tell them exactly why I no longer consider them family and that there will be no further contact. After that, they simply will be ignored. I will block them on my phone and will attend no function at which they will be present.
Fascists aren't worth my time. I have nothing to discuss with them.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Nigrum Cattus
(1,344 posts)The only opinion that matters is yours.
1) They might "cancel" you first
2) Stand up for your opinion
3) Don't ever give in or up - that's what they want
Doodley
(11,992 posts)NameAlreadyTaken
(2,305 posts)These people are deadly toxic poison, and if you allow them to be in your life in any way whatsoever, seeing them in person or any communication of any type - they will continue to harm you. For your own peace of mind you must block them out of your life completely and permanently. You have every right to, and your wife has NO say in the matter.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)NameAlreadyTaken
(2,305 posts)delisen
(7,401 posts)If you dont go consider making those hours very happy and satisfying ones for you.
Doodley
(11,992 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)Doodley
(11,992 posts)splat
(2,357 posts)Whenever the conversation gets anywhere near politics, somebody says, "No politics" and we get back to enjoying other aspects of these inlaws. We don't visit often though.
demodonkey
(3,312 posts)of people that you know hate other human beings for their race, sex, sexuality, etc. etc? Who support lying, rape, and all sorts of evil? What "other aspects" of these people are so great that they could make anyone see beyond all THAT?
We are so, so far beyond "politics" in this country.
And I am so glad I have no spouse.
splat
(2,357 posts)These people aren't rabid haters. They're somewhat coarse, not very well educated, don't have a book or a newspaper in sight in their uncluttered house with big recliners facing their big TV. They think DJT is a hoot, blame Dems for the high price of groceries and giant trans girls making women's sports less fun. As always pocketbook issues trump social ones.
But they love their grown kids and deceased parents, and tell lots of family stories. The sweet kids had been in Sports Medicine in college but switched majors to Finance when they wanted better stuff.
It's only a dinner.
NorthCountryLib
(19 posts)I don't have much to add to this but the drama, drama, drama pushed by the media and repeated all over social media is toxic.
You will survive the next four years. We all will.
Cancelling family members and others you love over this is as bad as being a Trumper.
Hatred of anyone who disagrees, even if they had economic fears.
I think this is a shame.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Yes, real lives and the quality of them really are at stake.
No, we all will not all survive just as we did not all survive the last time and are not all surviving because of their actions right now.
Hundreds if not more families still have not been reunited from their last swing.
Over twenty thousand rape victims have been forced by the state to continue the assault to term in Texas, that shit is real life not a game.
Agree to disagree ends where my nose begins and any other concept can only be from someone that cannot even imagine having skin in what they think is all is just a game, so just pass the yams and grab me a beer it is.
niyad
(133,159 posts)rights away, the rights of others, threatening violence, destroying the environment, worshiping a rapist and TRAITOR**, wants taliban-style christo-fascist rule in this country, can drop dead, go to hell, whatever. They do not deserve, nor are they entitled, by any measure or standard, to one nanosecond of my time, energy, attention, or love.
May they all receive everything they deserve.
Theproletariat
(42 posts)Everything we feel about the right, they feel about the left.
However, if they are willing to be cordial and agree to not speak about politics, whats the problem?
demodonkey
(3,312 posts)Prime example of "be cordial and agree to not speak about..."
niyad
(133,159 posts)they FUCKING VOTED for the shit show. THEY VOTED, INTENTIONALLY, DELIBERATELY, HATEFULLY, to FUCK everyone else up. They can all go to that hell they love so much.
WE did NOT vote to kill them, no matter what bs they tell themselves..
demodonkey
(3,312 posts)It is not "hatred" if you just don't want to be around these kinds of people anymore.
La Coliniere
(1,956 posts)hatrack
(64,999 posts)"I was just kidding - can't take a joke?!?" family members?
"God, you liberals are so thin-skinned!!!" family members?
"Hey, did you hear the one about the n****r and the garbage truck?" family members.
Maybe they're related. So what? Doesn't make them good people, interesting people, or people who'll be there if you need them.
CTyankee
(68,302 posts)to the "religious" types you can ask "Did they teach you that in your church?"
Doodley
(11,992 posts)My blood pressure has been over 240/240 before. I have to balance my health over certain relationships.
I used to feel hate when I was a teen and in my early twenties, but not for decades.
MrWowWow
(1,461 posts)-right next to the trashcans.
HAB911
(10,489 posts)that were trumpers, waaaaay back in 2016
JohnQFunk
(494 posts)🔚
La Coliniere
(1,956 posts)who supported the felon. More relatives drank the kool-aid over the past week so I had to repeat my stance. I cannot tolerate the intolerable anymore, as a fellow DUer stated the other day.
LuvLoogie
(8,856 posts)Turning your back on them if they were in need of your would be.
I do not want to see the MAGA side of my family. If they want to see me they know where I live.
I cant
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Prairie_Seagull
(4,750 posts)with a file embedded. Then using your own good heart say dasvidaniya.
LuvLoogie
(8,856 posts)Turning your back on them if they were in need of your help would be.
I do not want to see the MAGA side of my family. If they want to see me they know where I live.
I can't spend any energy. Tired of shields up around family.
Marigold
(230 posts)You said that you can't face them, and your mental health is more important than being polite. Avoiding people who make you feel bad is not cancelling, it is surviving. At some point you may be able to see them and not be rude, but for now, give your self permission to take care of yourself.
yardwork
(69,471 posts)Canceling them is not an option.
I have committed to speaking up when I hear right-wing lies. I'm not going to be rude or loud. I'm not going to call names or assign labels. What I'm going to do is stop pretending not to hear the next time an entitled Republican drops a lie at the dinner table, certain that nobody will contradict them because of manners. If they have the privilege to bring up politics, I have the privilege to politely rebut.
It's the least I can do for our democracy.
Turbineguy
(40,134 posts)Try not to. Trump wins if he breaks up your family. And he won't even give a shit if you helped him.
Happy Hoosier
(9,559 posts)I only have my sister left and pretty sure she voted Trump. Shes not a deep thinker. I live her and feel some responsibility for her, but we dont talk much.
My wife
most of her family are Republicans, even if not enthusiastic Trumpers. Her brother is batshit crazy. And her mom voted Trump for sure
but she is 92 years old and about to move into an assisted living facility. My wife, as the non-crazy child, feels some responsibility for her, naturally. She stands inherit a significant amount from her, but that is not a motivating factor. In fact, I think she would just assume swear it off, but an over half-a-million inheritance would definitely secure our retirement, so my advice is not to grovel for it, but dont toss it away, either.
In short, family is hard.
electron_blue
(3,623 posts)Politely? No need to be either polite or rude. Just neutral, matter of fact withdrawn will do.
Just remove yourself from their company for at least a few years. I see it more as removing toxic people from your lives. If not now, where do you draw the line?
hatrack
(64,999 posts)TomJulie
(131 posts)We've gone through this before.
Sure, I wanted Kamala to win as much as the next person but I know you can't win them all. We went through this back in 2016. When trump won I didn't notice any major change in my or my wife's way of life. I did take some friendly fire from some friends at work but I did the same to them when Biden won. It was no big deal to me.
I still have a job, bills to pay and our fridge has lots of good food ready for the grill or for our stove. I'm going to continue doing everything I have always done and will see if we can change things in 2026 mid-terms.
demodonkey
(3,312 posts)Good for you that you "still have a job, bills to pay and our fridge has lots of good food ready for the grill or for our stove."
Many others are not so lucky.
Many more who are lucky now won't be by the end of all this -- maybe even you.
TomJulie
(131 posts)But all those not so lucky people now were not so lucky under Biden. Even if Kamala won that's no guarantee those of us who who may be considered lucky now, will be as lucky later. No President can guarantee my or anyone's success.
NoRethugFriends
(3,762 posts)womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)Most of my friends & relatives are Dems , but I have a few Republicans in there. Im nice to everyone & still friends with all. When I was sick the only 2 friends who brought me soup were my 2 Republican friends. Another friend brought over his Republican BIL - he said I was the nicest Dem he ever talked to.
If we want to help cure the huge division, do it with kindness, not hate.
Theproletariat
(42 posts)I am surrounded by conservatives and we agree to disagree. They have helped me when I was in need without me having to ask, and are generally very good people.
Im afraid all this division is creating a slippery slope.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,958 posts)"I find it MORALLY repugnant to support, let alone vote for a man ,who has NO respect for the Rule of Law, NO respect for the US Constitution, NO morals, shows NO respect for anyone or anything, nor has character attributes I would find admirable!"
Then decide whether or not you wish to stay among them. If they have any conscious at all, they may regret their vote. At least you stay with your values and principles despite their IGNORANCE.
albacore
(2,747 posts)I want to be around for the schadenfreude-fest when the economy flops.
I'm planning on rubbing their noses in it.
I'll be poorer, but there's a certain comfort in being right.
GoneOffShore
(18,025 posts)Simple Free Market economics. The companionship of Republicans has fallen in value, and people are choosing to get it elsewhere. They can't expect brand loyalty if they're going to shit in the cereal boxes.
Tetrachloride
(9,654 posts)I don't advocate scorched earth. Such a policy plays into their hands.
Be the Jedi.
Otherwise, what we have here (hear ?! accidental pun) is a failure to communicate.
Prepare ye the way.
ecstatic
(35,088 posts)because of tRump's tariffs, proposals to cut SS and Medicare, nationwide abortion ban fears, and the concerns about how Americans' teeth will fare after a few years of RFK Jr controlling our food/drug, environmental and health agencies.
Literally every republican president has destroyed the economy over the past 40 years. That's the pattern and we have to start discussing it now, BEFORE IT HAPPENS, to break the cycle of amnesia that occurs every 4 to 8 f*cking years.
SunImp
(2,720 posts)I'm sure there are a few in the closet ones that I don't know about. A few of them post disgusting memes on social media demeaning LGBT, Woke, Democrats and I just avoid commenting on those posts even though it boils my blood. I think someone of them aren't strong maga supporters like my uncle who has a maga boss and a twisted maga gf who probably have heavily influenced his positions. Whenever we have bonding time or dinners I try to block any nasty things they say out of my mind & hope to get through it quickly. I'm pretty much torturing myself to get some financial help, keep my family together & hopefully see them all despair for what's to come.
zorbasd
(526 posts)and find new friends to your liking and philosophy in life.
drray23
(8,807 posts)I dont believe with that nonsense about family ties being more important than everything.
Whether they are friends of family, trumpers are out of my life. Luckily this was a very small number.
However, acquaintances on social media are another matter. I have being purging heavily the past few days after some revealed their true self.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Unless everyone agrees no politics. At the first sign of MAGA, excuse yourself and leave.
yaesu
(9,379 posts)Ysabel
(2,081 posts)Why? For support? To help in case they act mean?
My husband couldn't go with me to visit family in 2018 and so I went on my own. Huge mistake. They treated me like crap. I came back home and lost my mind...
I'm still in recovery...
P.S. Most of my family are NOT repukes just some and the ones who are not think that it's perfectly okay to get picked on by the repuke ones. And the Dems there pick on me too. The men are sexist. They pick on me because of that and they pick on me because I'm not Christian. It isn't perfectly fine. It's mean and I'm not going back ever again...
Hekate
(100,133 posts)The hosts are not Trumpers. Well only be a couple of miles from home. All this factors in. I believe my favorite nephew-in-law will be there with his hyper-neurotic wife he and I will have much to talk about.
Life goes on.
Dave says
(5,442 posts)I can't talk to a Trump supporter, I wish I knew who was who so I could ignore them
haele
(15,474 posts)Are they the type that would get in your face about the election, or would they rather sit around talking football, how the cousins are doing in school, and what Aunt Marcy's latest hobby is?
Do you want to go to see mom or dad, or Grammie one last time?
Check out the closest shelter (any type) or charitable event near to the family event and volunteer to bring food or help serve.
Beforehand, you can always make a quick drop in, drop off some rolls or a pie, say hi to who you want to, then go back to your event or plan to do something else nearby - go to a park and take a long, thoughtful walk if you need to. You might find some hidden never-Trumpers in your family might want to leave with you.
But ultimately, if you feel too sick to visit, you're too sick to visit.
Being good to yourself is more important than sucking it up to pretend to be nice to a bunch of gloating bullies who will rub it in your face every time they can.
Haele
misanthrope
(9,539 posts)We're in Alabama so both my family and my wife's are overflowing with Trumpers. My wife's uncle is a wealthy man who lives in a Gilded Age mansion and sees himself as the pater familias eager to give everyone his advice and perspective on everything political. He typically hosts the family Thanksgiving get-together and is fond of starting political talk during the event. It is a difficult thing to stomach when you don't agree with him because there you are, under his roof, eating food that he paid for, and taking issue with him makes a proper guest feel as if they are being ill-mannered or ungrateful. It sucks. He has you cornered psychologically and then is daring you to take disagree with him.
One year he clipped a political cartoon from a newspaper and put it near the buffet table, making sure to point it out to everyone. The cartoon showed a pair of Native Americans staring at masted European ships anchored offshore. One Native is saying to the other, "Don't worry. We have a vetting process."
It was a reference to the recent uproar over Obama allowing Syrian refugees into America. The subtext was that if we let the Syrians into the nation, only calamity would result. Not only was it ironic considering the role of Native Americans in the Thanksgiving holiday mythology, but right next to the cartoon was an award from his leadership roles in the Federation of Syrian-Lebanese Clubs. Their family's primary point of identification is their Lebanese ancestry.
Later that afternoon, he walked up to me and posed a pointed political question. I was at my limit.
"I think it is impolite to discuss divisive subjects at a gathering that is supposed to be about coming together and enjoying each other's company," I said in a mild tone. "I don't think it serves family unity."
He was quiet for a second and then changed the subject. He hasn't stirred any more political talk with me in the years since then.
yourout
(8,850 posts)Nothing to do with him and will not even let him see his grandkids.
And of course he is a church leader in his church.
July
(4,789 posts)I learned that rocking the boat once to preserve my values/sanity/dignity/whatever was absolutely worth it. And by rocking the boat I mean just doing what I wanted to do, not what someone else wanted me to do not being rude, just standing my ground.
You DO NOT have to explain yourself if you say youre not coming. Dont elaborate or counter their but why?, because they will just try to challenge whatever reasons youve offered. Just keep saying you cant, or walk away if they badger you. It works! You dont owe anyone an explanation. Your health is more important than whatever points someone gives you for showing up.
soandso
(1,631 posts)OP, I'd say your first priority would be your blood pressure. I'm sure you take meds but start researching natural ways to lower it. As for cancelling people, if someone makes you feel good when you're around them and you like each other - regardless of politics - keep on enjoying each other. If being around someone stresses you out, you view seeing them as a chore or obligation, then don't be around them. Most importantly, be honest. Don't lie and make up some fake excuse about why.
Raven123
(7,858 posts)No need to make a permanent decision. You deserve time and space. If it is too stressful to interact with them just step back.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Do not associate with fascism.
moniss
(9,100 posts)is a social price for knowingly voting to hurt innocent people.