David Axlerod says we've become the Smarty Pants Suburban College Educated party

[Algernon Moncrieff]

My take: Axlerod has gone from the guy who helped elect Obama to Spiro Agnew, who referred to us as "Effete Snobs." I can only suppose Axlerod realized today's Trump followers wouldn't understand "Effete."

I'm supposing he's fishing for a job at FAUX or Newsmax.

[BannonsLiver]

1. I generally agree.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

12. Ok. Why do you agree.

Serious question.

[jimfields33]

40. Because the entire party won 18 states. Look at the map of our wins.

[beaglelover]

19. Me too. We need to win back the working class or we'll be a minority

Party for generations.

[Mme. Defarge]

49. What happened with

the union employees’ vote?

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

54. A lot of union members voted for trump

For Michigan, immigration, automotive regulations that could negatively affect the auto industry, and guns are the usual reasons why union voters vote for republicans here.

Also, union membership has declined greatly. Only around 10% of workers are in unions now.

[Caribbeans]

72. "union membership has declined greatly"- because Clinton, Bush and Wall Street

gave away our jobs to CHINA and anyone that disagreed was called a stupid Luddite and told to go flip burgers or sell insurance.

No mass protests ("we" were fighting a drug war against ourselves after all and told that "drugs" were what was killing our nation while those very people stuffed things like Valium in their mouths) and now China is a manufacturing powerhouse.

Anyone remember this?

Surprise Surprise, now China is an enemy. What a clownshow.

[KPN]

79. You left out Reagan and Bush Sr. Pretty big oversight,

Reagan in particular.

[GoreWon2000]

94. Don't include Clinton in this

The China job shipping is all on the repugs. Remember the actual facts. Clinton tried to give our companies a chance to compete in the Chinese market. Our economy was at its best under Clinton with low unemployment and an expanding job market. SCOTUS appointed W tanked it and restored job shipping begun by his father and Reagan.

[Jit423]

118. Not exactly true. Look at the kind of jobs that were lost then. Most were lost to automation not Mexico.

Automation and the tech movement cost a lot of jobs that went to India, not Mexico.

[brush]

69. Newsflash: We lost the white working class long ago. Apparently you don't remember...

the Reagan Democrats and the moral majority and we've essentially traded places with the rethugs in winning the WH since. You know that right? And you're not suspicious that trump won every swing state when Harris was slightly ahead in some and the rest were tied? Something's fishy as that patterm is suddenly and suspiciously broken IMO.

Reagan, 2 terms
Carter, term
HW Bush, 1 term
Clinton, 2 terms
W Bush, 2 terms
Obama, 2 ternms
trump, 1 term
Biden, 1 term
trump, again.

Note, we've pulled the nation out of rethug recessions each time after they lose, and we'll have to again...unless the new king with SCOTUS 6 immunity turns us into a kingdom/dictatorship with no more elections.

Sure, the MFer won every swing state.

[Captain Zero]

82. We will win them back when they lose

Their, unions, their jobs, their wages, their benefits.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if they still don't come back.

I'm waiting for a union guy to give me a grievance about Trump. I'm going to give them a link to email the white house.

[hlthe2b]

2. Oh, MORE from the guy who relentlessly attacked Biden...

Umm, okay.

[Voltaire2]

3. Oh how original. What an insight. He is truly a genius.

Let me guess: his prescription is throw immigrants, LGBTQ+, climate catastrophe, and women under the bus.

[Lovie777]

6. And economy......

And climate change, etc.

[Bluetus]

29. We can't help immigrants, LGBTQ+, and women

when we are out of power, can we?

Tell me how you expect this strategy to work. We had a superior candidate who ran a near-perfect campaign based on that strategy and it wasn't close.

[Ndp5]

58. The headwinds were too strong

I personally wouldn’t call the campaign “near-perfect,” but even if it was, she was given a few months rather than a few years to make her case. The Beltway press treated it like a long shot because Biden’s people had reportedly been telling them off the record she couldn’t win. And then, during what should have been a defining moment in the campaign, Biden stepped all over her speech at the Ellipse with his “garbage” remarks.

Add to that that a lot of people are still hurting from inflation, plus a lot of misinformation bankrolled by the 1%, and the headwinds were too strong. She actually overperformed by some metrics given the unpopularity of the incumbent administration. A lot of this is on Biden.

[Babajida]

4. Maybe the progressive arm of the party should just try to take over the republican party

and then we can really it out with the neoliberals left in the democratic party 🙃

(I'm making a joke, don't shoot me!)

[wryter2000]

5. Axelrod sounds pretty elite and snobbish to me

He can stuff it.

[CTyankee]

14. He used to be kinda cool. I remember Obama calling him "Axe."

[Beartracks]

7. Sort of. But the other party has become the "Ignorance is Just as Good as Knowledge" party.

[Dem4life1234]

13. We need to deem them idiots

Idiotic flat earthers

[Cartoonist]

8. That's better than the flat earth party

[Yavin4]

9. Fuck David Axelrod. Fuck CNN.

Tired of this bullshit.

[Ocelot II]

104. Fuck him some more, and repeatedly.

He's been a PITA for years and he's not being helpful at all.

[Dem4life1234]

10. I used to love him

God I miss the 2008 election, the hope, the optimism, and it seemed the electorate had some common sense.

Even McCain wasn't a turd of a candidate like this conman creature.

How anybody with a brain can look at a Rethug and can't see they are all about the rich is beyond me.

[Jk23]

80. Yeah but McCain opened the door with his VP pick NT

[mobeau69]

87. Comedy Gold! Tks John

[Dem4life1234]

90. Oh I forgot about that thing

She crawled so the conman could walk.


Her antics was one of the things that caused McCain to lose badly. I was shocked when it worked for the conman.

[BOSSHOG]

11. I'm a redneck who lives

In a rural area of a red state. Haven’t voted for a Republican in almost 50 years.

Maybe I’m a smarty pants effete redneck. And I drink beer. Out of a can. But I recycle the cans. Do I need counseling David?

[chowder66]

27. My nephew calls himself a sophisticated redneck.

He’s ex military and college educated.

[texasfiddler]

65. Same here. My Texas county went 70-30 for tRump. I know these people and I'll stay a smarty pants.

[orangecrush]

68. Thank you

[Silent Type]

15. Eating our own continues.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

22. Some of that is to be expected after a thumping

Were we less educated, smarty pants, or suburban in 2008? Are we suburban? I thought much of our support was in cities. I thought soccer mom and Joe Rogan dad were the ones voting Trump.

[Marigold]

16. Maybe we should all have lobotomies to fit in.

[intheflow]

17. Did suburbs overwhelm8ng vote blue?

[travelingthrulife]

18. What is so smartypants about understanding how tariffs work?

They have pledged to get rid of the Department of Education. I guess we'll really be the smartypants then!

I really wish they would quit talking to this guy.

[SARose]

20. I agree with Axelrod

We no longer represent the hopes and dreams of flyover America. We represent the elites of both coasts.

Folks are afraid. They see their kids struggling to buy homes; find jobs with any benefits; buy cars. In other words, all the things we Boomers achieved with relative ease.

In my opinion, Dems need to visit small town America and listen to what folks really want. Basically, they want what used to be Dem values - jobs, housing, healthcare, and pensions.

[travelingthrulife]

21. Where have you been for the last 4 years?

Pure nonsense.

[SARose]

26. Right here

I live in ruby red Texas that’s where I’ve been the last four years. Dems have not won a statewide office since Ann Richards was governor.

We get our asses kicked every two years because Texas Republicans are very, very, very good at organizing from local school boards to the Legislature. Democrats have given up trying to compete state wide because it is too expensive. National Dems are not spending money here.

Ted Cruz won by simply playing an ad about transgendered kids playing girls sports. Over and over and over. Allred never had a persuasive counter attack.

Each to his own opinion.

[Bluetus]

48. I don't know if we could have overcome the trans ads

no matter how much money and desire we had. But we are not smart about these things. We hold these fringe issues out as a target, making it way too easy for people like Cruz and Trump to define us.

I assume most people here support LGBTQ rights. But I ask all of you how we can help that cause by putting that front-and-center in our campaign, leading to a slaughter? It just isn't smart. It isn't strategic.

While Trump and Cruz were busy defining all of us, just as Axelrod has said, what were we doing to define ourselves in a more appealing light? 90% of Harris' stump speech was platitudes -- nothing that anybody could latch onto or even remember. The only economic proposal I recall was some vague statement about wanting more paid day care, but she never said how. She talked vaguely about corporate greed, but never said what she would do. Europe has a windfall profits tax. People can understand that. We even have a bill sitting on Congress It is SB-4642. Did Harris ever mention that, even once?

Trump was pretty darned specific. He wants to deport 20 million brown people. He wants to put tariffs on everything imported. Project 2025 wants to get rid of the "deep state" in favor of 100,000 patronage jobs and wipe out what remains of Medicare and Social Security.

Don't expect Americans to think through the consequences of these proposals. Americans, on average, are too dense to do that. It makes their brains hurt to think too much. So they compensate by instinctively supporting the person who makes the boldest proposals and delivers them with conviction. That is not going to change, so we had better learn how to play that game. And yes, that means telling the special interests to stand aside during election season. There is time for a big tent after we win the election. It does no good to have a big tent when that means losing the elections.

[SARose]

52. Well said

And totally agree.💕

[TheKentuckian]

74. The premise of trans rights being front and center of the Harris campaign is not supportable.

[Bluetus]

99. It was in every stump speech. And because Harris never said ...

... anything specific she intended to do about it, this allowed the Trump campaign to define Harris.

Being vague, and trying to be all things to all people does not work anymore, if it ever did.

This ain't the State-of-the-union speech. In that case it is OK to throw the kitchen sink at everything because the people aren't being asked to make any decisions. The election cycle is completely different. It is almost always won or lost based on who can get the upper hand defining the opponent. It is suicidal to offer up such juicy targets.

GHWBush was defined as a guy who had never had to shop for himself and couldn't be relied on for "Read my lips, no new taxes". Obama was able to define McCain as an authentic hero, but just too flighty for such an important job. And in 2012, he defined Romney as a heartless vulture capitalist who believes that "corporations are people" (a gift from Romney). And so on, you can find these things in almost every campaign.

Once again, trans surgery is not the hill to die on, and when we die on that hill, we end up powerless to do anything helpful for the LGBTQ community.

[TheKentuckian]

102. I don't honestly recall any proposal or focus and I watched a ton of stump speeches

I do recall policies that were certainly a far greater focus taking your word for it.

A $6,000 child credit for new parents.

An increase of the small business tax credit to 50k.

An initiative to build 3 million new homes.

Allowing Medicare to pay for home nursing care.

Expanding drug price negotiating.

An increase in the credit for new home buyers to 25k, I believe.

Legislation to protect choice.

Were a few things she proposed and sure as hell a lot more and better for regular people just off the top of my head than Chump had on offer

I'm not sure how our perceptions of the same presentations differ so much and I'm sorry you missed the policies entirely except having your zone flooded with trans policies that I somehow missed.

I experience a rather high level of what might be the Mandela effect, more and more with the years.

[Bluetus]

107. I suppose she did say these things:

A $6,000 child credit for new parents.
An increase of the small business tax credit to 50k.
An initiative to build 3 million new homes.
Allowing Medicare to pay for home nursing care.
Expanding drug price negotiating.
An increase in the credit for new home buyers to 25k, I believe.
Legislation to protect choice.

But just reading your list, it all sounds so sterile. There is no emotion to any of that. It could just as easily have rolled off the lips of John Kerry.

Lust looking at this list, I don't know what the SBA credit would do for me or anybody I know. Is it actually a change in policy? What does it actually mean? How will it change anybody's lives? THAT is what I never heard from her.

Likewise, "expanding drug negotiating", what does that mean? That sounds like some bureaucrats will write twice as many letters as they do now. How is that going to help me or anybody I know? Which drugs? Is it going to fix the situation where, even though I have a "good Medicare drug plan", they try to charge me $900 /month for some eye drops, but I can get the same stuff for $90 with a GoodRx coupon without any insurance at all? I don't want more negotiating. I want these things fixed.

And so on for each of those items. Where is the human story that goes with each of them? How would any of that actually change anybody's lives? I didn't remember these things because there was no substance to them, no human connection, nothing to get excited about. And I WANTED her to win. If it didn't register with me, what chance was there to move people who were neutral or worse?

[TheKentuckian]

108. It is plenty better than an incompetent asshole that wants to magically tariff our way to infinite prosperity

which can only cause inflation.

He wants to have mass deportations which can only cause inflation.

He wants to be a dictator on day one.

But not enough thrill so fascism...meh...undesirable but whateves?

Sterile? Probably not your next operating room with you New RFK, jr Health and Human Services.

This shit is so off the meter wild to me that I cannot even imagine this is real life.

I'm sorry you cannot connect with the practical real world things that might sound small time to you but are out of reach for a lot of us like getting into a first home of our own.

Some are considering starting a family with a little less stress and time to connect with babies (there is another sorry paid family leave which I know is so Yawns McSleepyface).

People are out there dreaming of getting out from under the 8-6 for someone else and having a bit of a hand up to pursue a buisnes of their own that adds value and opportunity to our communities (yes, it was a substantial increase like from 5k to 50).

Some of aren't turning up our noses at being able to reduce the cost to Medicare for more drugs beyond the few there are now and to keep expanding that list at every opportunity instead of gaining nothing for anyone whether it is one you or I individually need or not.

I'm happy to not need insulin and don't want desperate people that need it to wait for me to get mine to get the help and feel the same for whatever would be the next several they would have worked on.

I'm sorry about your struggles but I also think they illustrate the obvious need for Medicare to keep eating this ridiculous elephant even if it is frustratingly a bite at a time versus none at all.

The system is absorbing its larger share of the $900 when we the people are locked out of the $5 for you and its remaining total cost to the system.

Personally, I'm blessed to only take one thing so far and it is generic but I know how astronomical some medications are up close from the producer and the payer perspective

The people that don't or can't self navigate to savings programs get beat to death and there is a solid example of "waste, fraud, and abuse" but outside of the legal purview so we the people and gramps take it on the chin whole he is cutting pills and shit.

Who cares about a whole lot of seniors being able to get the little extra help they need to live independently and with dignity instead of being forced for little reason into a medicaid spend down scenario and into a nursing home which also means another family is also deprived of that little nugget of generational wealth?

JOHN KERRY WOULD BE MAGNIFICENT INSTEAD OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
It would seem sensible at the current pass to be pretty much willing to crawl over broken glass for competence and a lack of general malignancy.

How many hundreds if steps backward seem rational to take instead of a few solid ones forward?

This is practical, real world need, basic stuff.

Common sense should never be out of style.

I'm sorry you didn't get your Lifetime movie to tug your heartstrings the right way but the need for it was not foreseeable.
This is very universal and opportunity based stuff that most people make some of their most key life decisions around.

I find it hard to think any of this would be very disconnected from most people's aspirations and needs.

[Bluetus]

110. Of course Harris would be far better for the country

That isn't the issue. The question here was how is it that Trump could get so man more votes. And I'm telling you that, to my ears, the platitudes were welcome, but the policy stuff had no human connection.

Trump's policy talk had a human connection. "You know all those brown people in caravans that are taking your jobs and committing all those crimes and eating all your family pets, I'm going to deport 20 million of them and put the rest in internment camps."

It is a terrible idea, but it makes a visceral human connection. This stuff works, obviously.

[TheKentuckian]

112. I guess I'm not human. Protecting Social Security so I can make it when old and making it easier to have a home

by increasing inventory and a hand up to home ownership connects to me big time like cornerstones to the rest of my life stuff and the Chump policy talk example?

No it isn't really hitting me except as repellent and inhumane.

Small dreams are meaningful dreams too.

[LSparkle]

35. Thank you! Joe Biden's policies are more like FDR than any other president in my lifetime!

[BannonsLiver]

25. Nope! You're wrong!

There’s nothing to learn from losing so badly!

[Marigold]

33. Ok, so what ugly message can compete with an ad about trans?

I feel like dems do tell folks about jobs, housing and healthcare. That doesn't seem to be as effective as an ad played over and over again about trans. Because apparently that is what won Texas for Cruz over Alred.

[SARose]

44. Yes it did

I knocked on more than 300 doors in my neighborhood. I talked about, unemployment, inflation, etc. want to know what I heard? I can’t vote for her - we need strong leadership. I can’t vote for her - we can’t stand 4 more years of Biden. But they did promise to vote for down ballot Dems. Have a nice day!

Texas Dems failed to counter Cruz by educating people that ambiguous genitalia is a birth defect not a lifestyle. Children are born every day with a penis, a vagina and a uterus or with a vagina, uterus and undescended testes.

I volunteered in a phone bank. I sent postcards to swing states at my own expense. I donated to local Dems as well as national.

Nothing worked. It’s the message.

[oasis]

96. My sincere thanks to you for your efforts

toward getting Kamala elected.

[SARose]

98. Thank you oasis

Was heart broken, pissed off, and tired. Took a few days to recover but I decided to

1) take some me time;
2) stopped trying to educate my Trumpie family;
3) prep, prep, prep food;
4) knock on 400 doors, send 400 postcards and donate to more causes in 2026.

And still she persisted or

I won’t back down.

😉

[Algernon Moncrieff]

57. I would have put on an ad with Melania saying "I fucking hate Christmas" on endless loop

..and sued to not have it bleeped.

I'd have gotten ads with clips of DJT talking about our "precious 2nd amendment rights" and then gotten the nastiest, bloodiest photos I could get away with showing from Parkland, Sandy Hook, and Columbine.

I'd have shown a clip of DJT talking about our enemy China, and then shown the page showing where those Trump/Lee Greenwood bibles were made.

I'd have made a bigger deal about Trumps age and made people fear a Vance presidency.

[Marigold]

63. That might actually have to be our strategy moving forward

[blm]

78. Same here. Go brutal.

I wanted that against Bush, too, but DC Dems don’t do cutthroat campaigning. I would.

[SARose]

88. Yessss!

That’s what I’m talking about!

Quit bringing a knife to a gun fight!

[FakeNoose]

59. Yep - not enough Eastcoast or Westcoast Dems have ever been to the middle states

If more Democrats were out living in the middle states like Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, the Dakotas - those Americans would find out we're not so different after all. And WE would learn the SAME THING about them. But we never go there, we never meet them, and they believe the shit they read about us on Instagram and Xwitter.

[blm]

71. Hedgefunds buy up single-family homes by the thousands.

Which prices young families out of the market when trying to buy a first home. Then the Hedgefund landlords keep jacking up rents.

Dems put up a bill to stop that immoral business model. Harris campaigned on ending it.

Lawmakers introduce bill to ban hedge funds from buying single-family houses
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/01/05/hedge-fund-rental-housing-home-affordable-representative-adam-smith-congress-

The Hedgefund landlords (like Blackstone’s Steve Schwarzman) are GOP mega donors. No Republican will reel in Hedgefund landlords like Schwarzman.

Are you saying Republicans went to smalltown America and listened to them on housing while Democrats didn’t?
On jobs?
On healthcare?
On pensions?

[SARose]

93. No I am not

They can’t run on those issues. That’s why they show abortion videos, transgender videos, ban books, spread lies about DEI and whatever hate filled ideas you can think up.

Texas has porn in third grade! Lord have mercy on our souls! 😬

In 2 seconds this mess is spread all over social and legacy media and what happens? It’s all people talk about for days! Democratic messaging about bread and butter issues is lost in the fake social issue messaging.

Democrats need to ask our neighbors what are the 3 most important things to you. Many rural Texans were shocked when Beto showed up in Rural Town, Tx. These folks had never been visited by either party. He said his speech, they asked questions and were amazed at how much they agreed on.

Trumpers just want to talk about banning books until someone says uh ya just banned the Bible.

[Dem4life1234]

91. Rethugs are not going to give it to them

And were the Dems not visiting small towns?

[SARose]

95. Beto did in Texas

No one else has.

Texas Dems lost all but one district in the Rio Grand Valley - a long, long time Democratic stronghold.

Why?

They sent folks into small towns to talk to folks. They put young people in the local elections - a lot of young Latinas!

What did Texas Dems do? Ran Allred ads, gave speeches in Austin. Dallas, Houston and San Antonio.

No Democrat to my knowledge showed up in Beaumont, College Station, Waco, or Tyler. See why we lose in Texas?

[Self Esteem]

103. This is nonsense. Flyover states disproportionately benefited from Biden's policies...

Go look up how much federal dollars went to these states.

[milestogo]

23. I hereby apologize for all the time, work, and money I spent on my education.

Silly me.

[mzmolly]

24. Who?

I'm tired of his garbage.

[jimfields33]

41. Then we continue to win our 18 states and be satisfied.

[mzmolly]

43. Apparently we need to talk like idiots

to win the next election. Got it!

Nothing Kamala or Walz said in their messaging was professorial, however. Our message was pretty straight forward.

[jimfields33]

46. No. We continue what we are doing. Those 18 states are pretty awesome states.

We won the entire northeast from New York to Maine, mid Atlantic and west coast with illinois, Colorado and next Mexico and of course hawaii. Illinois and New Jersey will be the 2008 battle ground states.

[mzmolly]

70. Understood.

Pardon me for mistaking your initial point.

[TheKentuckian]

56. I'm happy to simplify language as much as possible

that is not the root of it though but if it helps it is no sacrifice.

It still doesn't fix the stupid when shit is boiled down to the essence and presented at a 5th grade level and they are still sitting there blinking vacantly and say "No, that ain't right...Trump said...".

[soandso]

97. Pretty sure that isn't what Axelrod meant

He's not suggesting the working class are stupid hicks who need to be talked down to but he is suggesting that too many liberals come off as though they think that way and that there is a difference in what is valued.

[chowder66]

28. If not voting for a rapist, felonious, conman makes me

an elitist then Right. Fucking. On!

[muriel_volestrangler]

67. Yeah, the Democrats are the non-rapist party, and should be proud of that (nt)

[Pisces]

30. I guess when we don't like the message we tear down the strongest Democrats in our party, It's insane that

We don’t want answers to what happened. The answers are not what we want to hear. The dumbing down of America is real. People don’t revere experts or education anymore. Nobody is fishing for a Fox job. They are trying to figure out how we are going to win back uneducated, conspiracy minded America. This is not personal anymore. It’s real, if you can’t put aside your hurt feelings get out of the way of the people that want to figure this out and win next time as well as thwart his stupid plans.

We are in an emergency state, and there is no time for crying. I guarantee the person that has the most right to cry, Kamala Harris, is rolling up her sleeves trying to figure out how she can help the American people from this Frankenstein right now!!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

51. "It's the economy, stupid" - James Carville

That's the simple answer.

Is Kamala Harris the one with the most right to cry? Her campaign was handed to her with a billion dollars to spend and we took a thumpin'. Kamala Harris, who led (talking about the answers we don't want to hear) an incredibly ineptly run campaign in 2020. Yet despite all this she'd be the easy favorite to succeed Newsome as Governor of California (if that's what she wants), or might be tapped for the SCOTUS if Sotomayor could be induced to retire.

Nobody is fishing for a Fox job? I have to disagree, given Axlerod's talking points. He could have simply said Harris' message couldn't overcome high interest rates and inflation, both of which are falling. David sounded like he was doing a Glenn Beck impersonation.

[TheKentuckian]

75. There are millions of people who's fat is in the fire with Harris' loss than her

She could retire and be better off than I am likely to ever be.

Miss me with that shit. These pols supposedly work for us not the other way around.

[Oopsie Daisy]

31. Oh David...

Fuck you very much. Eat my shit.

[LSparkle]

32. So over him ...

He’s what passes for a left wing perspective on CNN which is why I can’t even watch that channel anymore. They bring on bomb throwers like Scott Jennings and David Urban to bat for the right (apologies for the sports metaphor) and pitching is stale faded ol’ Axe ... Dems haven’t been very well served on CNN all election season. Axe can have Juan Williams’ chair over at FUX.

[oldmanlynn]

34. That's all bullshit and pandering to the right wing

Most Democrats are those who believe in the right approaches and being in fair and caring and compassionate for other people. Our policies throughout the years reflect that

Stop believing in the right wing propaganda that continues to be pushed

[Algernon Moncrieff]

42. Axlerod isn't normally considered a RWer, though.

He was very much a part of Barack Obama getting elected.

[TheKentuckian]

76. He is the type that will reccomend Larry Summers for an important slot and remind you Bill Crystal is on line 2.

Not really a right winger, especially in the current environment but still conservative and often wrongheaded.

[jrthin]

36. He can go sit on a sharp object and spin.

[JohnSJ]

37. I am so glad I have cut off all the Cable/Satellite news so I don't have to listen to these pissants.

[surfered]

38. Wait, I thought Trump was the stable genius

[hannah]

39. Axlerod

Is an self important asshole

[delisen]

45. I think Axelrod is out of touch

I would rather hear from an actual working for a paycheck union worker who talks on a daily basis with other workers. Why can’t a news show find anyone who is part of the actual demographic we need to interact with to represent group.
We don’t need more opining from the rich suit and tie guys.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

119. I think Axlerod had an easy race

You wouldn't think so, right??

But Barack Obama ran against an economy in free fall and a country weary from eight years of dumbass war.

It wasn't a hard win. Even for a black American who couldn't produce the super secret extra long form of his birth certificate.

[RobinA]

47. I Would Be Better

able to accept this argument if Trump had offered anything close to what small town America says it wants. Or what David Axelrod thinks they want. I want that stuff too, but I missed Trump saying what he would do about it.

[hatrack]

50. Small-town America (or at least a majority of it) wants people to hate.

TSF provided them. Kamala did not.

The end.

[LSparkle]

64. Precisely!

[usedtobedemgurl]

53. David Axlerod can go f himself.nt

[keep_left]

55. Let me guess--Axelrod was on a "Sunday Talking About Stuff" show...

...this morning? I see that CNN was mentioned in the thread, but I don't get cable TV; I'm guessing that CNN has their own Sunday AM show just like all the other networks. It sounds like the kind of throwaway comment you get from programs that have a lot more time to fill than there is content to fill it.

Anyway, the suburbs may perhaps be known for "educated elites", but they generally are also known for Republican voters, so I'm having a bit of trouble following the logic here. It's clear that we have our work cut out for us, however, and it won't be easy--we're seeing the results of everything from a lack of civics education to a really destructive and pathological individualism that happens when neoliberal policy runs rampant over an entire society. ( Writer and historian Morris Berman refers to this as an "anti-society" ).

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[tenderfoot]

60. Who cares what right leaning David Axelrod thinks

I’m not going to dumb it down to understand the racism, xenophobia and sexism of MAGAs

[brush]

61. Isn't Axelrod supposed to be a Dem? Now he's badmouthing us.

Fuck him. Go on over to the other side already.

[whathehell]

101. That was my question as well..

What the hell happened to him?

[Blue Dotty]

62. Who Trump really appealed to, Axelrod. Billionaire Elitists

From CNN Business - 11/7/2024
The world’s 10 richest people got a record $64 billion richer from Trump’s reelection

Wednesday wasn’t just a good day for Donald Trump. The wealth of the world’s 10 richest people also soared by a record amount, according to Bloomberg’s Billionaire Index.

The biggest gainer was Elon Musk, the world’s richest person and one of Trump’s most outspoken and dedicated supporters, whose wealth jumped $26.5 billion to $290 billion Wednesday, according to Bloomberg. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos’ wealth grew $7.1 billion a week after defending his decision to withhold the Washington Post’s endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris. Oracle cofounder Larry Ellison, another Trump supporter, saw his net worth rose $5.5 billion Wednesday.

Other gainers include former Microsoft executives Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, former Google executives Larry Page and Sergey Brin and Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett. Although none of those billionaires endorsed a candidate this year, they have spoken in favor of Democratic candidates and causes in the past.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/investing/billionaires-net-worth-trump-win/index.html]

The last two elections we were called the party of elitists - now we are the educated. Yawn. Axelrod is a tool but I am not sure who’s tool box he fell out of.

[milestogo]

66. So bashing the Dems who supported the ticket, gave money, and worked on the campaign is going to help?

What a moron.

[bigtree]

73. Axelrod has been trolling Democrats for a few years now.

...not helpful.

[JI7]

77. He didn't Help elect Obama.

Obama helped elect Obama. But Democrats didn't win many other places because Obama's win was his own appeal.

Obama could have won this time alsoi . But Democrats may have lost everywhere else as people split their votes.

[questionseverything]

106. We had 58 senate seats and a huge majority in the house

We won every where that year

[malaise]

81. Before or after he became a

Neo-liberal?
Asking for a friend

[Greybnk48]

83. Axelrod is "projecting." Fuck him. n/t

[Turbineguy]

84. We used to listen to the educated.

But it's better we listen to idiots.

[cadoman]

113. there's no shame in being the party of the educated

Don't let them take that from us--it's an asset.

What we need is to make sure our message resonates with the lower IQ portions of the US.

We really never sold our strength in standing up to Russia, although that's a policy that should resonate with low-IQ machismo. Providing care for transgender children is also a position of strength if framed right: that we are not afraid of treating gender-related medical conditions.

Any policy that high-IQ people know is good can be sold to low-IQ people, provided the right framing is used.

[Botany]

85. Eat shit and die Axlrod

So having educated people who support good ideas is a bad thing? The problems does not
lie with the people Axlrod defamed for doing the right thing but elsewhere like our media including
its ownership and its relentless attacks on Biden (a local old fart music station in Newark, OH* was
always using the slur are you hurting from Bidenomics? in its advertisements) Musk, Russia ( BTW
Trump’s new Chief of Staff’s husband was in the the June 2016 Trump Tower Russian meet and
greet), and major league rat fuckery of our elections Trump won the majority of the Native American
Vote? …. R you kidding me? [I read that fact on the internet so it has to be right] millions more people
voted for Biden in 2020 than voted for Harris in 2024, and so on and on …. It was the economy is
just a cover story.

Sorry to

*. BTW close to Newark, OH thanx to Biden and his “Chips Act” a brand new computer something to do with SiO2 that makes the motors in the computers run plant is being built. Bidenomics has been damn good to Central OH.

[defacto7]

86. That's a double edged sword

that's dull on both sides.

[unblock]

89. Not this elitism shit again!

Yeah, right, we're the elitists.

Right-wingers think only their opinion matters, we're evil, they're the real Americans, they're the ones who should be in charge, they're the ones who should have all the rights, (insert minority here) is (insert negative stereotype here), etc.,....

But *we're* the elitists?


Let's just Axelrod is hit or miss....

[C_U_L8R]

92. Maybe the problem is something else

Maybe the problem is people who think a college education is a bad thing.

And the (likely college educated) manipulators who fostered that idea in their heads.

[Avis]

100. unfollowed his podcast

[Bettie]

105. Let me guess..

we're supposed to throw all but white men under the bus, run over them a few times and nominate a republican next time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. We lost because the adminisration had a 39% approval rating and 70% said we're on the wrong track.

That's why we lost

[Algernon Moncrieff]

115. I repeat: It's the economy, stupid

Think what you want about Bill Clinton, but James Carville was nobody's fool.

[Tribetime]

111. Yes we should become the party of Billionaires first riddled eith felonies

[Algernon Moncrieff]

114. Look, Axlerod is an old,old man.

Elon Musk wants to end the deficit by investing the Treasury in crypto.

Have some empathy.

WWB&MDO???

[Abolishinist]

116. In the eyes of many who voted against us, yes.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

117. But we aren't suburban.

We are urban.

Axlerod is a moron or drinks heavily.

[Abolishinist]

120. I see it as more of a perception. Remember, they're

not attuned to the finer parts of an observation. So to rural folks, Urban = the inner cities, Suburban = educated folks with money.

Example. I live in a wealthy suburb. The buyer of the house next door completely renovated it before moving in, which due in part to Covid took several years. We got to know the guy who was in charge of the remodeling quite well over this time, even had him do a few minor repairs for us. He would sometimes call out Biden for increasing prices on those items he needed for his work - lumber, concrete, accessories - and also, due to Covid, no one wanting to work because of 'free' money from the libs. He also said that we who live in La Jolla are out of touch with guys like him, those who work for a living. And I wouldn't say this to him, but yeah, probably so, I live in a bubble.

That was his take on things at the time, and even if I attempted to prove him wrong, in the end it wouldn't matter.