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SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:43 PM Nov 2024

Why Was TX A Dead Heat & Cancun Cruz Won By 8.6%??

They had polls showing it was close, within the margin of error. One or 2 even put Allred ahead by 1%, only days before the election.

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Why Was TX A Dead Heat & Cancun Cruz Won By 8.6%?? (Original Post) SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 OP
Because more people voted for Cruz. nt LexVegas Nov 2024 #1
Polls were apparently wrong MichMan Nov 2024 #2
So many statistical improbabilities. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #3
Because the actual results didn't align with the pre election polls, and a incumbent won? MichMan Nov 2024 #6
I am talking statistical analysis. You are talking about a different topic. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #14
Statistical analysis of specifically what? MichMan Nov 2024 #16
many people that throw out terms like 'statistical improbabilities' stopdiggin Nov 2024 #15
Polls were not predictive, likely due to weighting models developed from 2020 and 2022 turnout 0rganism Nov 2024 #4
No party has ever outperformed the polling 3 Presidential Elections in a row Tribetime Nov 2024 #7
And now, by hook or by crook, one has done so 0rganism Nov 2024 #12
Yeah, I'm not.Saying it was stolen.It's just the facts Tribetime Nov 2024 #19
Cruz ran an effective ad campaign, cloudbase Nov 2024 #5
Also the ads I saw on local news duncang Nov 2024 #17
Dead heat? kirby Nov 2024 #8
Looks like Allred was down 4 points in the polling averages. tritsofme Nov 2024 #9
It wasn't a dead heat and late deciders almost always go R here in Texas. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #10
Florida also, polling showed a much closer race madville Nov 2024 #11
it's got to do with white women, white men stillcool Nov 2024 #13
I guess the polls were wrong alarimer Nov 2024 #18
I didn't expect Allred to.win (I live in TX), but I expected us JCMach1 Nov 2024 #20

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
6. Because the actual results didn't align with the pre election polls, and a incumbent won?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:57 PM
Nov 2024

Irish_Dem

(79,314 posts)
14. I am talking statistical analysis. You are talking about a different topic.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:16 PM
Nov 2024

You are doing something called a straw man argument.
A logical fallacy by changing the topic to another argument.

Your argument would be stronger if you counter my statistical commentary.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
16. Statistical analysis of specifically what?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:21 PM
Nov 2024

You just said there were statistical improbabilities with zero context.

stopdiggin

(14,911 posts)
15. many people that throw out terms like 'statistical improbabilities'
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:19 PM
Nov 2024

really have no idea what that means.

I don't point to the poster specifically, because I have no idea of their relevant background in math and statistics. But I will stand behind the statement that these terms are tossed around far too freely - and often without any real understanding of the science. And, unfortunately - these days it is just dead easy to find an 'expert' that is willing to peddle just about any hogwash people are eager to hear. As evidence - I'll point you to the 'medical practitioners' who were willing to preach anti-mask and anti-vaccine during our recent pandemic ...

And, finally - - nobody but nobody - is saying anything like "don't ask questions"
There are a steadfast few that are asking, "Please don't preach what you really don't know."
If, on the other hand, you have real evidence ...
Then by all means, go for it!

0rganism

(25,450 posts)
4. Polls were not predictive, likely due to weighting models developed from 2020 and 2022 turnout
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 2024

After all the complaining around here regarding how Republicans were overrepresented in polls, turns out they were up by a lot more than the much-hated NYT-Siena results were showing.

Tribetime

(7,029 posts)
7. No party has ever outperformed the polling 3 Presidential Elections in a row
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 07:57 PM
Nov 2024

Never....only drump

0rganism

(25,450 posts)
12. And now, by hook or by crook, one has done so
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:08 PM
Nov 2024

Welcome to the "first time for everything" zone, I guess.

Tribetime

(7,029 posts)
19. Yeah, I'm not.Saying it was stolen.It's just the facts
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:52 PM
Nov 2024

Trump never pulled above forty seven forty eight percent and got about forty six and a half percent in the other two elections. So now, after 34 felony convictions.And an insurrection, he gets over 50%.It's just strange not saying it's not possible.It's just very strange.What's wrong with these people voting for him

duncang

(3,767 posts)
17. Also the ads I saw on local news
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:25 PM
Nov 2024

Towards the last few days came in fast and frequent. Add the separate ad about Democrat judges leaned into that only republicans will keep you safe.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
10. It wasn't a dead heat and late deciders almost always go R here in Texas.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:04 PM
Nov 2024

Allred probably needed to be ahead in the polls because polls here aren't very good at dealing with our odd, long-term turnout issues.

Races often look closer here than they really are for those reasons.

madville

(7,834 posts)
11. Florida also, polling showed a much closer race
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:08 PM
Nov 2024

Some polls were showing Scott by 6% and he won by like 12 or 13…

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
13. it's got to do with white women, white men
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:09 PM
Nov 2024

latino males, and maybe some black males? I don't think I'm missing anyone, but I might be. Votes in this country, have a funny way of moving around, but it's all very legit. Another of those don't ask, don't tell things, kind of like the 2000 Supreme Court winner selection of a one-time only ruling, never to be referenced again

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
18. I guess the polls were wrong
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:48 PM
Nov 2024

By a lot, evidently. Still, I wouldn't waste any more money on Cruz's opponents.

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