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I posted this late last night and this needs to stay on the front page.
McCormick leads Casey by about 40,000 votes but there are from 100,000 to 130,000 votes to be counted and the vast majority are from the Philly/Pittsburgh area where Dems won big. Even if Casey does not quite get enough votes to win he will certainly be within the 0.5% margin for a recount, and I would dearly love to see a recount in Pa. It is very probable that Casey can win those remaining votes by a 70-30 margin. Marc Elias is working with Casey.
Tuesday is orientation day for new Senate winners and Chuck Schumer has not invited McCormick to orientation because the race is not over by a long shot, many predict Casey will win. 3 Magat Senators; Schmitt, Britt, and Lee are planning to get McCormick into the building and escort him to the orientation. Chuck Schumer needs to stand strong and not cave in to this attempted theft. The AP had no business calling the race for McCormick.
Go get em Marc and please keep this thread front page it is a BFD.
Also, is there a good explanation why there were so many provisional ballots in Philly and Pittsburgh?

SheltieLover
(62,608 posts)It's all they've got.
gab13by13
(26,419 posts)where down ballot Democrats outperformed Kamala and I think this smells to high heaven. I almost want to see the audit down instead of an outright win, almost.
They stole the election. Ballot undercounting, a virus in the electronic voting machines in targeted areas, etc. I just don't see how Democratic Senators won, especially in Michigan and Wisconsin, and Harris lost. And I just don't believe every single swing state, every single one, went to TFG.
Republicans did flip (barely) 2 Congressional seats, but in the state legislature, not a single seat out of the 203 changed hands (ensuring the Democrats remain in control of the state house). And the state senate saw just 2 flips (out of 25 up for election). The one flip to Democrats was Patty KIm in the Harrisburg City area and that race wasn't even close. Kim won by more than 16%.
ananda
(31,218 posts)!!!
karynnj
(60,109 posts)One reason might be that those who were incumbents were already well known, so harder to demonize.
Biden was very hurt by the attacks on his age and competency. His team made a gigantic error not asking to reschedule the debate when he was sick. The terrible debate performance amplified those concerns, while the Trump lies and even strange comments were seen as "just Trump".
Harris was not given the high profile that Biden and Gore were given as VP, even as she did participate in everything. Consider Obama put Biden in charge on some economic issues. Harris was not given the lead position on infrastructure. Instead, she got the border which was NEVER going to seen as successful even if it became measurably better than under Trump.
In retrospect, the Republicans took the joyful, diverse campaign and distorted it by othering most of the prominent people, characterizing Harris, a very articulate, thoughtful person as having a strange laugh and not making sense ( chutzpah when their hero spoke of Hannibal Lectur etc )
They also succeeded in convincing many people that the Trump years were economically better for them. This was objectively not true and by 2021 Trump policies including the unsustainable tax cuts had created an economy in grave danger of going into recession. Biden and his team avoided that and turned things around in a better way than any economic expert thought possible. Because of the latter, the question of whether you were better 4 years ago was not even a fair question. However, most people could not even fathom an answer to the question of whether you would be better now had Trump won.
Throw in the absolutely horrible ads created to demonize Harris on things like the border, where the US has long had many xenophobic people, and transphobia, where Harris comments were cherry picked and you can see they negatively defined Harris, while cleaning up Trump. Living in VT, I saw few of these ads until my husband watched the world series. All this in addition to racism and misogyny.
There were mountains of ads against the Senators too, but they were less able to distort who these known people were
Deminpenn
(16,518 posts)pandemic was just completely wiped from everyone's memory. Maybe that's how the mind works in processing a traumatic event, just puts it away in the back of the brain's closet. It's like 2020 never happened.
karynnj
(60,109 posts)I wonder if it was the same mind trick where the Republicans nearing 2012 spoke of 2008 as if Obama had been President. This, when even blaming him for the job losses and market decline from January 2009 thru about May 2009 which were continuations of the economic collapse in September 2008.
Not to mention, the economy from the Obama years genuinely was strong. The unsustainable tax cuts further stimulated an economy that did not then need it. It also blew up the debt and the deficit. However, no one in 2019 was yet feeling the inflation building. Then Covid froze everything and anything bad was blamed on it.
In 2021, people saw how chaotically the Trump team dealt with things and many not firmly committed to MAGA voted for Biden. I wonder if this time, it was like anger at a "parent" they trusted to make everything all right who could not completely fix everything.
Deminpenn
(16,518 posts)The chaos was just exhausting. I guess 4 years of calm, competent government made lots of people forget what Trump was like.
Silver Gaia
(4,984 posts)mopinko
(72,154 posts)challenge sigs, challenge dates, lose new registrations.
the campaigns have data. they shd b checking in on their +1s. did they vote? if their votes werent counted, y not?
thats where the answer is. i dont think a recount will show that. cant count votes u already burned.
AverageOldGuy
(2,464 posts)I don't know, but let me tell you about Virginia.
Three years ago the Virginia General Assembly approved "Same Day Registration" -- register and vote on the same day -- SDR.
The first year SDR was in effect, in a few places across the state, individuals -- armed with ID showing their address in different counties -- went from county to county registering to vote in each county. One of these occurred in my county; when we caught him, he had a long conversation with the State Police resulting in a fine and jail time.
When you complete an SDR, you cast a provisional ballot -- your ballot goes into a sealed envelope and is not tallied until your registration is processed and found to be valid.
While the problem of multiple-jurisdictional registration attempts was small, it was real. So the State Dept of Elections (ELECT) has told all 133 VA localities that we cannot process SDR provisionals until they have had time to process every SDR to determine which ones are valid. Thus, on Wednesday, Nov 13, we will receive from ELECT a list of the SDRs from our county that we can process -- and in my little rural county, we have 32 SDRs -- I can hardly imagine how many Fairfax County has.
Maybe that's what's going on in PA?
Amishman
(5,861 posts)Cities have more people who change address frequently (moving from apartment lease to apartment lease to find value). This can cause issues with registration (especially if they don't have a driver's license) and result in having to do a provisional ballot.
Deminpenn
(16,518 posts)Registration closed on Oct 28th, iirc. I suppose if you registered on the last day, your name might not have made it into the poll book.
I did look at registration data for the last day to register and also final registration data on election day. There was a difference. I believe I posted the numbers in the PA forum.
LPBBEAR
(461 posts)will cave. That's what he does.
DiverDave
(5,039 posts)Almost like they WANT to lose.
Amishman
(5,861 posts)PA deadline for recount is Thursday and it's going to be close if we are under 0.5%.
Schumer is putting pressure on the Pub SoS in PA to not push this through if it's right at 0.5%.
I think it's a long shot overall, but damn do we need to take every long shot and try.
2naSalit
(95,301 posts)For a strategy, to steal power.
karynnj
(60,109 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)
some possibility the McCormick wins. His attendance at the new member orientation will NOT impact whether he actually becomes Senator, the votes you mentioned will
If the votes show what we all hope giving Casey 70 percent of them, then there will very likely be a recount because he would have won by less than .5 percent. Given that it is almost certain the votes will favor Casey to some extent given where they are from, the most likely result after all the votes are in is that they will be within .5 percent with either in the lead.
Therefore it makes sense in any election that any POTENTIAL Senator get the orientation. It is not cheating and Schumer could issue a statement explaining without conceding the race that he is there because there is some possibility that he could be Senator and if so he will benefit from the information
Going does not make it more likely he ultimately wins, not going does not make it less likely
Deminpenn
(16,518 posts)Shumer knows this. If he allows McCormick in, it LOOKs like Shumer is tacitly acknowledging McCormick is the winner.
You know McCormick ran a lot of ads here in western PA touting being a West Point graduate, duty, honor, country. Shumer, and Casey, needs to throw that back in McCormick's face.
https://www.westpoint.edu/about/academy-leadership/commandant/simon-center-for-the-professional-military-ethic/cadet-honor
The three rules to live by are especially relevent.
Deminpenn
(16,518 posts)an automatic recount.
However, McCormick has sued to toss the provisional ballots. That tells me his campaign thinks those ballots could be enough for Casey to win.
bif
(24,633 posts)When we win, we win. And when we lose the Democrats cheated.