Any attempt to deport eleven million will be a nightmare

[struggle4progress]

Such a large scale operation will be a financial disaster; it will wreck the economy; and it will be a logistical catastrophe and therefore a humane catastrophe

Their ideological fantasies aside, the actual practice cannot be much different than kicking crowds into cattle cars

Recent US experience suggests we could wrongfully deport thousands of citizens each year -- and you can bet they won't be wealthy or Republican

[Girard442]

1. The nightmare is a feature, not a bug.

Be a good time to re-read 1984.

[maxsolomon]

2. They're not going to deport 11 million people. Logistically impossible.

All the industries that employ undocumented immigrants will trek to the WH, bend the knee, and get special dispensation and exemption from raids.

The fruit must be picked, the animals must be slaughtered.

[Dulcinea]

4. You beat me to it.

If anyone was serious about ending undocumented immigration, they would come down hard on the businesses that hire them. No one wants to pay the living wage, benefits, etc. that American workers expect.

[Irish_Dem]

3. This will be a very lucrative grift for Trump and his pals.

My best guess at this point is that the major point of the deportations will be to soak the federal government
for billions of dollars. The intent will not be to actually spend the money on mass deportation which is expensive. Rounding up, imprisoning, processing, etc will be expensive.

We may see some flashy theatrical performances but maybe no more than that.

[wnylib]

15. Interesting perspective. Another grift operation, like the wall.

The money taken from the federal government would be from social and medical programs and from consequent cutbacks of employees in those areas.

Many African Americans have found employment in government jobs because government agencies were among the first to become equal opportunity employers and to require equal opportunity in agencies that receive government funds like hospitsls, universities, school districts, medical research companies.

What we might end up seeing is a shift in population employment. Remember what Trump said about immigrants? "They are taking Black and Hispanic jobs."

What if the goal is to put immigrants in camps, have them doing cheap or unpaid labor there, and hire out of work former government related African American employees as cheap labor in agriculture and other low paying jobs?

The least persuasive argument against immigrant roundups is the one about logistics. Nazis managed the logistics of rounding up millions of people into camps for unpaid labor. It was a process that perpetuated itself once it was up and running. The number of people registered in a camp would be around 1.2 million. Camps had insufficient food, medicine and sanitation. Diseases were rampant. People died in large numbers. That left room for new imports to the camps from local "holding centers," i.e. walled off ghettos in cities.

Trains were used for transportation. Not only Jews were put into camps or just deported. Non German employees in Germany were ordered out to their home country. The slogan was Germany for Germans. Jews were denied citizenship no matter how many generations of their family had been German.

A lot of people ignored warnings because they said that removals were logistically impossible. There are Holocaust deniers today who say it never happened because it would have been logistically impossible.

[Irish_Dem]

19. Yes exactly like the wall. It is all a big con job, a grift. Smoke and mirrors.

Yes of course.

The #1 Trump plan is to steal as much of the federal budget and US Treasury as possible.

He could not care less about immigrants, abortion, or any of the issues he ran on.
And if he indeed did steal the election he does not need to keep his voters happy.
As he said, he has all the votes he needs.

His number one goal as stated by his old pal Michael Cohen is to be the richest man in the world.
To do that he needs to leave the WH with about $500 Billion, at least.

Oh yes good point. Anyone placed in the camps or prisons will be forced to to unpaid labor.
Money going back to Trump and his pals.

Just like the immigrant children separated by Trump were either sold to the sex trade or to adoptive parents.
Money was to be made on them for sure.

Yes I think you are correct. Perhaps the federal and state minority workers fired will be forced to take the manual labor jobs
once held by undocumented immigrants.

Yes of course the deportation logistics are possible. We know that. But I just do not think Trump wants to spend that kind of money on it. The money needs to go in his pocket. But we will see some of the deportation for propaganda moments.

[wnylib]

24. I heard on NPR today that Stephen Miller

is being appointed as Trump's chief policy advisor. He will be in charge of immigration policy.

He is the one who was behind the child separation at the Mexican border and the detainment in cages.

[Irish_Dem]

25. For the love of God no.

SM's sadistic cruelty will have no restrictions.
He will be worse than last time.

[wnylib]

34. My reaction, too. Somebody else, whose name I forget,

will have charge of ICE and the border, but Miller will be setting the policy.

[Irish_Dem]

35. Very sad situation.

Miller will give the drama and hatred that Trump and magas love.

[Quixote1818]

32. Right and Trump will just say they deported 10 million and MAGA will believe him. nt

[Irish_Dem]

33. Yes. We live in a post truth world.

Trump can lie and say whatever he wants.
The media and people will believe him.
Facts don't matter.

[gulliver]

5. If past is prolog, it will be another "Trump Show" with Dems as his political foils

Republicans will fire up the bill Trump killed. Trump will make token changes to "make it better," sign it, and take credit. Dems will have no choice but to vote for it.

Trump will start by going after any non-citizen in jail or convicted of any crime, imo. Some groups and cities will oppose this. Trump will say the Dems want to keep criminals in the United States.

ICE will do token crackdowns in blue cities. It's logistically impossible to find tens of millions of people who don't want to be found. So, Trump will find a dozen groups of people or so in each of a dozen blue cities. He'll raid them and play it up. The media will play it non-stop between ads. There will be women and children crying, brown people being led off to jail. The Dems will help Trump by being outraged and filing lawsuits.

It will be like the wall in that it won't do anything statistically and is a stupid idea. When the new super-wall (deportation) fails to make a numeric dent, Trump will claim the Dems blocked him.

And so on...

[JCMach1]

10. Logistically easy to find with 'show me.your papers'

Note, we have already normalized this along the border. It will just be extended into the US along with power to detain for all LE.

There will be snitch lines setup.

And other 'fun' stuff.

[gulliver]

13. Not anymore

We all forget that everyone has a super-powerful computer in their hand. They can organize instantly and can publish anything they want to the whole world. Snitch lines are undoubtedly already a thing, and they probably get one legitimate snitch for every ten fakes. And there's no detention space, and its hugely expensive, and people actually have to want to work in them.

ICE agents have to want jobs kicking down doors behind which hide crying women and children and the occasional AR-15. There are probably a few of guys who want that job, and every one of them shouldn't have the job. And it will be the end of a career at best for anyone who hires them.

[JCMach1]

20. You don't think that there are Repugs lined up for that sweet detention grift?

The thing that will be most shocking in the next four years is the level of corruption that's about to happen.

[peregrinus]

23. Germany's population in 1933

was 66 million and German is the size of Texas. there is no way they could round up 10 million people in this country. It would take years.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yes I think this is how it will play out.

You left out the part where Trump and his pals pocket the $billions earmarked for the project.
Won't cost them that much to do a little kabuki theater here and there.
But enough to damage some industries, farming, construction, etc.

[yardwork]

6. He won't try to do it. It was a lie.

Trump will deport a few people and then his lackeys who take over Homeland Security will lie and say they deported all the "criminals and illegals" and Trump fixed it!

And everything will be fine because there is no crime wave caused by immigrants.

He'll do the same with everything else. Lie and take credit for Biden's work and his followers will heave a sigh of relief and say Trump fixed it!

[hatrack]

9. Mostly an excuse to funnel money to private prison and security companies . . . .

And they're big donors to President Asshole.

Oh, I'm sure there will be some performative detention and obligatory razor wire and roundups to keep the MAGAts happy at the sight of suffering brown poor people, but it's always about the money. Always.

[yardwork]

11. We can bet that the billionaires who put him there will get their ROI.

[JCMach1]

21. This... There will also be new grifters like HCA turning

Unprofitable hospitals into detention centers

[democratsruletheday]

7. You're right of course s4p, but remember....

it's all just BS red meat for the maga(t)s and partially fulfilling Trump's fever dream. He'll deport a low # of weak, old and jobless that won't affect the economy too much to SAY it was a success. In the meantime he and his cronies will be robbing the country blind. It's all fodder and hubris filled BS distractions so they can grift and steal.

[usedtobedemgurl]

8. They won't deport.

What country will take that many? No, instead they will make work camps. Our corporate overlords will love the free labor. And the slaves should all be happy, because they will have a cot and a roof over their head and a bowl of gruel at the end of the day. It will be heavenly. Maybe the special ones will get to work for free at his gold resorts!

[Jacson6]

12. Well in 2023 the Biden admin deported 1.1M people. n/t

[Gore1FL]

14. It to mention military officers refusing the illegal orders.

It would be an unmitigated shit-show.

[sarisataka]

16. Sorry to say

it is more doable than many think. All it takes is cooperation from local officials and apathy from the population.

The logistics are actually fairly minor. The economy is the larger issue, but if the detainees are rented out as labor allowed to have employment while awaiting deportation, it minimizes the economic cost.

[MineralMan]

17. After Four Years, Did They Build That Wall?

Think about it.

[Lincolnite]

18. What about the immigrants' home countries?

Would the return of workers benefit the economies of their home countries?

[Luz]

22. How, exactly?

[awesomerwb1]

37. What?

Broke people (doubt they will have time to sell what they managed to build while living here), some who haven't been in their home countries for 20-30 years? Violent countries in some cases?

I've heard that talking point from far right wing anti-immigrant organizations.

[LiberalArkie]

26. Just bulk convict them of treason and immediacy execute them all. What could anyone do?

Don't tell me that a sitting president could not issue an order.

[SoCalDavidS]

27. So? What's Your Point?

If you think that means it won't happen, you don't know much about the other side.

This is the group willing to self sacrifice their own lives by shitting all over the Covid vaccines. Shit Shows are their specialty.

[at140]

28. Easy method for deportation

Is to burden employers to check immigration status of non-citizens.
And for those who do not have jobs, government agencies already know their status.

[Beartracks]

29. A president/party truly concerned about inflation and deficits would know mass deportations will increase both.

[J_William_Ryan]

31. "They're not going to deport 11 million people. Logistically impossible."

Correct.

Lawfully impossible, as well.

Immigrants are entitled to due process – including those undocumented – affording each individual a hearing before an immigration judge; it would take decades.

[ForgedCrank]

36. I know, right?

If it were any other subject, I would laugh my ass off watching them try. But this is such a sad subject, there is no way to find humor in it.

[Dem4life1234]

38. If they are smart

They will only focus on the criminal and lie and claim they deported lots more.

[no_hypocrisy]

39. And there will be those who resist.

Resist as in using weapons.