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Dennis Donovan

(28,910 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:41 PM Nov 2024

Elie Mystal: Welp, this makes me want to die.

Elie Mystal
Welp, this makes me want to die.

aaron from queens
4h
AOC asked her followers who split their ballots either for Trump/her or Trump/downballot Dem to explain why and posted the replies:


11:55 AM · Nov 11, 2024





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Elie Mystal: Welp, this makes me want to die. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 2024 OP
Yep. 56% of Americans read at 6th grade level. And right wing media talks and writes not only lies. Ninga Nov 2024 #1
Which, sadly, allows the ol KGB method easier to export to the US, especially when sick, greedy billionaires own media Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #7
Yeah, I thought allowing Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #13
True Dat. Sadly. Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #32
The decades long attack on the education system whopis01 Nov 2024 #41
No BigMin28 Nov 2024 #2
The burn it down, low-info, propaganda-inspired. yardwork Nov 2024 #3
I wonder if stupidity actually has weight and mass? Ocelot II Nov 2024 #4
Yes. And eliminating the Dept of Education will give stupidity even more weight and mass. ancianita Nov 2024 #9
That's the plan. "I love the uneducated." DJT. So much more malleable. Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #33
Trump used the royal "we." dchill Nov 2024 #36
Interestingly, Weight and mass... littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #28
I don't think so. ShazzieB Nov 2024 #38
I think you're fine, ShazzieB. littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #39
I believe the correct unit is "maga" whopis01 Nov 2024 #43
Not sure about mass and weight, but it sure has a lot of inertia to it.... unblock Nov 2024 #47
That's beyond sad. Solly Mack Nov 2024 #5
Actually, I see this as helpful unblock Nov 2024 #6
Very interesting. H2O Man Nov 2024 #19
Yes... Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #23
Simple EarthAbides Nov 2024 #35
Fetterman & AOC in 28 SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2024 #42
Part of the problem is getting the message out NewJeffCT Nov 2024 #46
Turn out the lights, We're F****d! surfered Nov 2024 #8
We play by the rules while the Republicans shit all over us. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #10
Yes, goddamit!!! LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Nov 2024 #11
You notice how none of these people put any actual policy reasons. It's just emotions. In It to Win It Nov 2024 #12
the closest to a policy I saw was Gaza LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #18
Agreed, that's the only thing that came close. Republicans learned a while ago that emotions win elections In It to Win It Nov 2024 #25
Trump is a marketer, the only thing he was ever good at. Passages Nov 2024 #14
Yes, indeed. But I listened to him all the time during the campign and still have no idea how people teased any real LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #20
I agree, to me he was the most obvious sleazebag liar. Yet, despite his horrific reputation he had a tv Passages Nov 2024 #21
he was shunned by everyone who worked with him before except a few horrible people who are pscyhopaths like him! LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #24
Yes. I remember years ago Anthony Bourdain did a food spot involving NJ and he went after Passages Nov 2024 #30
Yes, people believed that BS about the economy NewJeffCT Nov 2024 #44
TSF is a marketer Seinan Sensei Nov 2024 #29
Yes, sleaze all the way. Passages Nov 2024 #31
Things have been getting worse since Nixon IbogaProject Nov 2024 #15
one big question here though is--- what % of her voters split their ticket like this? LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #16
LOL. We are no longer heading towards Idiocracy, we're living in it. /nt spudspud Nov 2024 #22
Stupid, ignorant SECOND grade IQ !!!! Jethro Bodine Clampett is smarter than those white trash a-holes Trueblue1968 Nov 2024 #26
I've been shocked by smart people being played Easterncedar Nov 2024 #27
cheers for AOC, jeers for Mystal PedroXimenez Nov 2024 #34
The Ivermectin and bleach inoculated have spoken. dchill Nov 2024 #37
WTH??? liberalla Nov 2024 #40
So at the end of it all vercetti2021 Nov 2024 #45

Ninga

(8,714 posts)
1. Yep. 56% of Americans read at 6th grade level. And right wing media talks and writes not only lies.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:46 PM
Nov 2024

but at a 6th grade level.

Attilatheblond

(5,055 posts)
7. Which, sadly, allows the ol KGB method easier to export to the US, especially when sick, greedy billionaires own media
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:11 PM
Nov 2024

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Farmer-Rick

(11,625 posts)
13. Yeah, I thought allowing
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:05 PM
Nov 2024

A trained Russian KGB agent free access to our most popular social media would be a stupid thing for democracy.

But capitalism trumps democracy in the US.

whopis01

(3,781 posts)
41. The decades long attack on the education system
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:38 AM
Nov 2024

by the Republicans is no coincidence here.

The less informed and less skilled at critical thinking a population is the easier it is to control them through lies and misinformation.

There is a good reason that Trump said “I love the poorly educated”

BigMin28

(1,572 posts)
2. No
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:48 PM
Nov 2024

We dare not question their intelligence. That would be mean.

If their thinking didn't have such tragic consequences for us all, I would laugh. Instead, I feel exactly as Mr. Mystal does.

Ocelot II

(122,789 posts)
4. I wonder if stupidity actually has weight and mass?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:57 PM
Nov 2024

There's so much of it there that it must be measurable as a physical substance or force. What would you call a unit of stupid?

littlemissmartypants

(26,576 posts)
28. Interestingly, Weight and mass...
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:57 PM
Nov 2024

have been examined as ...

Obesity and Neurocognitive Performance of Memory, Attention, and Executive Function
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/3/3/27?origin=serp_auto
Abstract
Background: Obesity has been linked to an increased risk of dementia in the future. Obesity is known to affect core neural structures, such as the hippocampus, and frontotemporal parts of the brain, and is linked to memory, attention, and executive function decline. Snip...


So the answer to your question is closer than we may think.

❤️

ShazzieB

(19,319 posts)
38. I don't think so.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:16 PM
Nov 2024

Sorry, but this touched a nerve for me. The idea of blaming the stupidity of American voters on obesity is disturbing to me. Fat people get stigmatized too much already. (If that's not what you meant to imply, please accept my apologies for misunderstanding.)

If I'm reading right, this was one small study done on a cohort of only 175 subjects. In my opinion, that's not nearly enough data to be conclusive or upon which to base any assumptions about the cognitive functioning of fat people in general. Besides, I know far too many smart fat people who vote blue and far to many stupid skinny people to find this convincing. Anecdata, I know, but I can't discount it completely.

I'm sure you had absolutely no ill intentions in posting this, but I'm afraid that some could come away with an oversimplified impression that fat people in general are stupid, and I wanted to register my discomfort with that possibility.

In case anyone wonders, I am a formerly obese person who lost a large amount of weight with the help of bariatric surgery. I'm now at a healthy weight, neither clinically obese nor as thin as many would consider "ideal." I am also not one bit smarter now than I was when I was fat. I swear! (I know, more anecdata, but still.)

I apologize if I seem to be overeacting, but as I said, this touched a nerve. Even though I'm no longer obese, I still have a lot of feels about the stigma fat people live with and the way many people are quick to form negative judgments about someone who is fat without knowing anything else about them. Please feel free to ignore me if I seem to be going overboard.

Peace out. ✌

littlemissmartypants

(26,576 posts)
39. I think you're fine, ShazzieB.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 2024

Just because I posted it doesn't mean that I agree.

There are plenty of stupid suppositions made via science. Statistics by nature are extremely susceptible to manipulation.



❤️

unblock

(54,510 posts)
6. Actually, I see this as helpful
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:06 PM
Nov 2024

Depressing in hindsight, sure but it does suggest that a firebrand candidate could ply these people away from Donnie.

Kamala had elements of this with the big optimism, and I think that resonated and helped pull in big crowds already.

But I get that they saw her as "establishment" while aoc is seen more as someone who challenges the establishment.

I think our next candidate shouldn't hold anything back.


That said, the real problem isn't the candidate or the campaign; the real problem is the propaganda, and nothing we do will work until we figure out how to counter it and cut through to reach the people trapped in its sinister mode of "thinking".

Farmer-Rick

(11,625 posts)
23. Yes...
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:48 PM
Nov 2024

This is so important. The fact that Facebook allowed the Russian bots, trolls and deep fake sites back. The fact that Saudi is allowed to invest billions in our media mega corporations like Disney. The fact that Musk was allowed to buy up Twitter and turn it into a right wing septic system. The fact that a political party owns a huge media conglomerate with no checks or balances to their constant lies.

It's all these rightwing foreign influences spewing propaganda 24/7 onto our voting populace with very little push back.

Because if it was reality getting through to them, there is no way a fat, demented, malicious narcissist turn Nazi could be equated with AOC. There would be no way they could see this guy giving a blow job to a mike as being good for them and the American people.

Someone else posted that they saw Trump as just another old white guy running for president against a former VP. But what didn't seem to get through at all was that Trump is not just another old white guy. That doesn't even seem to touch their thoughts.

It's all the rightwing foreign noise spewing constantly how great a malicious narcissist is going to be for the US. While continually tearing apart his rival.

That's what has to change first but because free trade is a capitalist montra, it's never going to change.

42. Fetterman & AOC in 28
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:55 AM
Nov 2024

Or Buttigieg & Crockett? We have our firebrands and great speakers, some of whom may be seen as outsiders or real people.

I could see value in moving away from the familiar in the future.

Not that I thought less of Harris. I wish (desperately) that she had won.

NewJeffCT

(56,842 posts)
46. Part of the problem is getting the message out
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:16 PM
Nov 2024

Kamala & her team ran a great campaign given the short time frame, but nobody among the Democrats right now has the ability to hold the attention of the mainstream media like Trump has done over the past nearly 10 years now. Harris had it for the 10 days to 2 weeks after Biden dropped out & endorsed Harris, but then the media swung away from Harris & Walz and went back to 24/7 Trump.

Obama in 2008 got the attention of the media because he was the first major party black candidate. He got a lot more positive attention, but far more negative attention as well, than McCain. Trump has basically dominated the mainstream media coverage since he came down that escalator in 2015 to say that Mexico was sending drugs, crime, etc to America. It allows him to drive the media narrative most days, even if it's negative much of the time. (Remember the old adage from PT Barnum - "there's no such thing as bad publicity", with the corollary from Oscar Wilde "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about&quot

Trump lost in 2020 because he was an effing disaster as president & widespread mail in voting allowed Dem turnout to surge. Obama won in 2012 because he had a good 1st term & Romney was a mediocre candidate. Bush won re-election in 2004 because of 9/11 and Kerry being a mediocre candidate.

Only Bill Clinton & Barack Obama were able to capture the attention of the mainstream media for Democrats and hold it over the past 30+ years now. Bush had it in 2000 & Trump had it in 2016/2024.

Too many Democrats see Trump's gaffes and craziness and think "don't interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake" - but, it allowed Trump to keep the attention on Trump.

hadEnuf

(2,945 posts)
10. We play by the rules while the Republicans shit all over us.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:51 PM
Nov 2024

And many respect them for it.

This has been a viscous street fight since the beginning and we have been playing it by the Marquess of Queensbury rules because we didn't want "to be like them". So now we are flat on the ground with aching groins.

The OP also shows that people have their heads firmly planted up their asses. We need to understand that and communicate with them keeping that in mind.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Passages

(1,755 posts)
14. Trump is a marketer, the only thing he was ever good at.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:10 PM
Nov 2024

That and bringing it to new heights of demagoguery.

This is just too sad.

LymphocyteLover

(7,251 posts)
20. Yes, indeed. But I listened to him all the time during the campign and still have no idea how people teased any real
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:20 PM
Nov 2024

policies or positions from his garbled stream of consciousness rants... he was all over the place and most of it was bragging and stupid ridiculous lies about Dems.

Did people really just believe he built the greatest economy America ever had???? I mean if people fell for that, they are hopelessly clueless

Passages

(1,755 posts)
21. I agree, to me he was the most obvious sleazebag liar. Yet, despite his horrific reputation he had a tv
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:28 PM
Nov 2024

show where he was touted as a big smart success. He had spots in movies, like Home Alone 2. You would think he would be shunned by those who should have known better. Trump was in an episode of Sex and the City, he played himself.

A successful man about town.

Sickening, isn't it?

LymphocyteLover

(7,251 posts)
24. he was shunned by everyone who worked with him before except a few horrible people who are pscyhopaths like him!
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:50 PM
Nov 2024

What's just stunning is how many people just ignore all his horrible history of treating people badly and his long history of insane lying.

It is sickening.

Passages

(1,755 posts)
30. Yes. I remember years ago Anthony Bourdain did a food spot involving NJ and he went after
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 03:04 PM
Nov 2024

Trump, and he despised him in a public way, but not the NBC execs.

NewJeffCT

(56,842 posts)
44. Yes, people believed that BS about the economy
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:14 AM
Nov 2024

Because his entire 4 year term in office, every tweet of his about the economy bragged about how great it was - even mediocre economic news was celebrated as amazing and awesome. And, every time a Trump surrogate was on the news and they'd bring up that day's controversary, every surrogate would say "but, isn't that economy great?"

The Clinton economy was better by every other measure except unemployment, and Biden's was better by every measure except inflation, but Trump and his media surrogates were rarely challenged, even if a Dem was on opposing them

IbogaProject

(4,032 posts)
15. Things have been getting worse since Nixon
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:11 PM
Nov 2024

And started to get really bad from Reagan and the Bushes. The problem is America has become too sorted from each other so many don't understand what life is like for a low income person. Frankly our campaign had lots of flash and was the only one with clear policy positions but there wasn't enough clear soundbites for the low info voter. And celeb endorsements don't matter to the 40% who can't handle a $500 emergency expense even by borrowing from friends and family. I just saw a graph, our distribution of wealth here is worse than pre-revolution France. I am aware Joe has done an amazing job and was hobbled by two corrupted Senators.

LymphocyteLover

(7,251 posts)
16. one big question here though is--- what % of her voters split their ticket like this?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:14 PM
Nov 2024

People who split their ticket are already kind of flaky and/or confused

vercetti2021

(10,426 posts)
45. So at the end of it all
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:23 AM
Nov 2024

Gaza will likely be bombed off the face of the earth and the US will burn. Good job idiots. I hope you get what you fucking deserve because we are all burning together now fuckers.

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