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[dalton99a]

1. If Democrats want to commit another political suicide

Identity politics is the downfall of the Democratic Party

[PortTack]

3. Agree...we may love her, but

[DeepWinter]

9. Her fan base

is very loud and strong, but support drops off quickly outside that small circle. There are plenty of Democrats that are not exactly fans of her or anyone in The Squad.

I think it was summer 2023 she said she didn't know if her future was in Politics anymore. She has plenty of other opportunities no doubt.

[hlthe2b]

24. Yeah. If we think Kamala Harris motivated RWers & MAGATs like no one else, just wait until AOC is on the ballot.

There is misogyny. There is racism. There is BOTH on steroids.

I like AOC. Don't get me wrong, but I am feeling rather sober (and somber) about the situation right now and I really don't see much changing in 3 1/2 years.

[joshcryer]

38. +1

[Yorkie Mom]

57. Yep.

I agree with this.

[oldmanlynn]

74. I dont think dems played identity politics

I think the Republicans did and democrats felt they needed to protect woman, LGBTQ, etc do maybe we came across as playing identity politics because we fought for those identities.

[SocialDemocrat61]

91. Agreed

“Identity politics” is a GOP talking point to demonize Democrats for embracing diversity and inclusion. Only racist white people use the term.

[kevink077]

102. Republicans only one playing identity politics

You see their nonstop disgusting ads?

[Ocelot II]

2. Yeah. A lefty Latina woman from the Bronx is going to win back

all the voters we lost because they didn't want to vote for a moderate Black/Indian woman from California. Suuure. And I fear the sad reality is that no woman of any description will win the presidency in the foreseeable future.

[dalton99a]

6. +1. Woman and LGBTQ

[ARandomPerson]

51. LGBTQ?

AOC is straight. She's engaged to a man.

[joshcryer]

40. This is what happens when you spend 20% of your energy on 1% of the population.

Because 20% of the population will spend 100% of their energy on refusing to accept it.

[wnylib]

78. A MAGAt woman would get their votes. They loved Palin.

[EX500rider]

82. I even think Condi Rice might have been popular with the GOP's

[Ontheboundry]

4. She's more lively than kamala

But she has no real experience on this stage

Id prefer she take schumers seat and get some more experience, and I also don't think she's run any big campaigns

[BannonsLiver]

5. No.

[leftstreet]

7. I wish Biden would retire and Harris is POTUS briefly

So sick of this "first woman president" crap, and that would solve it

[DeepWinter]

12. LOL

A hollow win, but man that would piss all the right people off.

[Mark.b2]

8. No. Nt

[Bettie]

10. Haven't you been reading DU?

No more women, no more minorities, no one who isn't a straight, white, Christian male.

And no talking about doing anything for anyone but straight, white, Christian men.

Also, a lot of people here HATE her.

[Ocelot II]

25. I like her; I just don't think she's electable.

If women as accomplished and competent as Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris can't beat a con man, rapist and all-around moral slagheap like Trump, I don't see how any woman is electable unless a lot of things change in this country.

[brush]

60. I like her too but IIRC a Rep. elected the WH. She might be ready after a couple of Senate terms.

But the first woman to the WH will probably be a republican.

[EX500rider]

43. Well reality is what it is, the question is do we pick the person most likely to get elected or the one we like the most

Because only one of them stands a chance IMO

[Bettie]

59. We can't choose a woman, a minority or anyone who isn't a white man

we also have to watch our messaging, not show too much support for people who aren't white, male, and Christian...

If that's who we're going to support, well, it's a big change. We can't be the party of women, people of color, GLBT+, etc. Just white men because white men require exclusivity. They need to be the first and only priority.

So, yeah, I get it, we will have only white male, "centrist" candidates. I don't have to like that we're not going to be a party of diversity anymore though.

[EX500rider]

93. In safe Dem areas we can, but in national contests we have to appeal to middle of the road voters,

undecided voters and non-affiliated voters.

[Bettie]

99. So, white conservative men

who don't believe women are really people and prefer that people who aren't white have fewer rights than people who are.

So, a country run exclusively by rich white men.

It will be fine for white men. Not so much for anyone else.

[EX500rider]

104. Obama won didn't he?

[SocialDemocrat61]

92. AOC is the future of the Democratic Party

Never understand the hate for her from some here.

[walkingman]

11. I like AOC and would vote for her.

[rampartd]

13. as much as i love the idea and love aoc....

oh , screw it. if 1 person believes little johnny is turning into janie at schoool today we have lost already. and seriously need to get our messaging straight.

[RJ_MacReady]

14. I like her

But she is unelectable in a national election.

[Emile]

15. I think she would be a great president.

[Simeon Salus]

16. I would love to AOC at the top of the ticket, but for just a minute can we stop talking about 2028?

We have enormous numbers of things to do TODAY. TOMORROW. THIS WEEK. THIS YEAR. And she'd be the first to tell us so.

Let's not put off to four years from now what we've failed to do up to this point: Like pay attention to today. To plan wisely. To act like we have kids and grandkids watching us.

[In It to Win It]

17. Sure if she wins the primary

[BeyondGeography]

18. She'll be in the mix

If you saw any of her campus rallies for Harris this campaign you’d realize that. Packed rooms and lots of sustained enthusiasm.

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[H2O Man]

19. Not yet.

But definitely in the future.

Recommended.

[Galraedia]

20. If we want to win then go with Josh Shapiro, Eric Swalwell, Mark Kelly, Jon Ossoff,...etc,.

A white male has the best chance of winning. I would support any candidate but the fact is that the rest of the country would rather have a twice impeached convicted felon and fascist as president than a woman.

[SoFlaBro]

61. This. Exactly. I have voted for two different women for President goddamn HAPPILY and fucking WILLINGLY.

And I would vote for the Dem regardless of gender, sexuality, ableism, heritage, culture, or age. None of that fucking matters to me but have no problem having the first Gay, Female, handicapped, foreign-born parentage, Latino, under 40 President.

[In It to Win It]

89. Josh Shapiro is my choice. He gives me the warm and fuzzies.

[Turbineguy]

21. America has spoken. It's not ready.

Americans prefer corrupt and stupid.

[Ping Tung]

22. EEK!! Too female, too Hispanic, too liberal, too humane, and too honest.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

[murielm99]

23. No.

Definitely not. She is not even liked by all Democrats. Neither is Bernie Sanders, even though many DU members do not want to hear that.

[CousinIT]

26. I love it but white men and most white women will not vote for her.

That's just the way the US of Ass is, as we've just seen.

[onenote]

27. She's popular in her district but even there, her performance has declined.

In 2018 she was elected with 78.2 percent of the vote in a non-presidential year
In 2020 she was re-elected with 71.6 of the vote in a presidential year
In 2022 she was re-elected with 70.6 of the vote in a non-presidential year.
In 2024, she was re-elected with 68.9 percent of the vote in a presidential year.

[onenote]

75. Yes, in a very very safe district. But her support has declined.

I'm sure you could continue to represent that district for a long long time. But I have my doubts about the breadth of her appeal outside a safe district.

[LeftInTX]

28. We need to nominate somone who speaks

their mind. John Fetterman anyone?



I'm joking, but he says stuff that gets under people's skin.
I don't have an answer.
I think Trump "crash and burn" "wait and see" for midterms will reveal options.

[awesomerwb1]

29. Like her

I think she's matured a lot, but no. No way.

[themaguffin]

30. are you serious?

[Dogdirt]

31. AOC as our future POTUS nominee?

Maybe not in 2028 but a possible for 2032.

[LakeArenal]

32. Will there be any more elections?

I love AOC. She will be lucky not to become a political prisoner.

But for me:ELECTIONS IN US ARE TOO LONG !!

Stop talking about the next one four years on.

Anyone serious now will be smeared and lied out of existence.

[Danmel]

33. I doubt she could win statewide office in NY

Much less nationally. And I think that's true if she were a man.

[BluenFLA]

34. She needs to become senator or governor

For some reason members of Congress have not been successful presidential candidates.

She should go for Schumer's seat the next time it's available.

But given how she has been demonized she has her work cut out to broaden her appeal.

[DemonGoddess]

35. As much as I like her

we can't. Twice with a smart, accomplished woman at the top of the ticket, and we lost. We shouldn't have, but we did.

[brush]

62. Consider this. I think VP Harris may have won with a full two-year campaign.

trump won but I still think sometime is fishy with that win.

AOC after two Senate terms would have a shot.

[JI7]

36. She is one of those that uses the term LatinX

isn't that one of the things that supposedly hurt our party ? Even though most of our candidates don't use it.

[cadoman]

86. she's also capable of selling the public on its use

Do not underestimate the power of having an A-tier political candidate.

B & C tier candidates repeat the policy and have no means to adapt and think on their feet. They stick to the approved messages, avoid mistakes, and rely on advertising and party infrastructure to win. The media and public rip them apart if they are put in a challenging circumstance.

A-tier candidates can change the entire party platform with a perfectly placed remark. They flummox the old party leadership but are tolerated because they deliver repeated victories and buoy down-ballot candidates. Under any circumstance that they're in the public eye they are capable of advancing their causes.

AOC is A tier. It'd be foolish to discourage her from running if she chose to.

[bif]

37. America isn't going to elect a female for at least 20 years. So, no.

Sad but true.

[sky_masterson]

39. No woman will ever pass the "Just not Her" test.

Because women can be the biggest jerks to other women, and men are idiots.
People will always find an excuse to vote against a woman.

[SoCalDavidS]

41. America DOES NOT WANT A FEMALE DEMOCRAT

That ship has sailed.

[Ocelot II]

42. That ship never even sailed, it sank as it left the harbor.

[bottomofthehill]

103. Agreed. Unfortunately, for the near future

You can have a female ( republican) who represents few of your values or go down in a blaze of glory with a female democrat.

[jalan48]

44. The Party owners will never allow it. She's way too liberal for them. No talking about income inequality.

[BlueTsunami2018]

45. Do we just want to lose forever?

I’m a big fan of hers but she’s not qualified to be President, the right would have a field day with her and we’re not getting a woman as President any time soon. Forget about it.

Gavin Newsom or someone like that has to be the nominee if we ever have another election.

Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate to ever run in this country’s history and she lost to the least qualified person ever.

[Mr.Bill]

54. She did win the popular vote, though. n/t

[BlueTsunami2018]

65. For all the good it did us.

That’s true.

The electoral college is a ridiculous way to decide things.

[Autumn]

46. She would be perfect. She cares about all the right things.

[Scrivener7]

47. .

[madaboutharry]

48. No.

She would not even carry the state of New York.
She might be popular in her district and with many on DU, but I am telling you that she is disliked with varying degrees of intensity by centrist democrats.

[Jilly_in_VA]

49. I love AOC, but let's get real

This country has shown us, TWICE, that it isn't ready for a woman president. And it has shown us that it is RACIST. So, much as I love AOC, I have to reluctantly say no. Next time around it's going to have to be a white male. Sorry, AOC, Not this time.

[ARandomPerson]

50. No

[Oopsie Daisy]

52. No! Absolutely not. -- She's fine where she is, in a comfortably easy-to-win blue district.

She could not win in a national election. Best to just leave well enough alone and nominate someone with national appeal.

[doc03]

53. Seriously!

[CoopersDad]

55. --YES-- and it's the lack of her kind of courage that brought us TRUMP.

We should put up our most courageous and progressive people.

I love her. Liz Warren, too but age matters.

[brush]

56. She'll be good one day. No Reps. IIRC to WH. Go to Senate first.

[nycbos]

58. If we want to lose all 50 states she is a great choice.

[PedroXimenez]

63. yep with her running mate Shawn Fain

i'm in

[SunImp]

64. Unfortunately she doesn't have a chance

The trash who hate her politics will cry and whine endlessly & be even more hyper critical of her.

[julmur]

66. AOC

This is a truly pointless post, the 2024 election just ended, speculating on 2028 is meaningless & considering everything coming our way under the trump / musk / puts regime, in all likelihood elections will be a distant memory

[IcyPeas]

67. I like hearing what she has to say a lot ... but no.

[Runningdawg]

68. It's not likely there will be another vote, but if there is HELL NO.

Time would be better spent choosing the next leader of the Democratic Union. This country will never be united again.

[Passages]

70. She doesn't represent identity politics, she represents the people b/c she

is not entangled with the donor class.

One day I believe she will be POTUS if she wants it.

[Demsrule86]

71. No, first of all, I doubt a woman is likely to be elected in my lifetime and secondly,

when the country moves right, you have to move towards the center before moving left...Like Clinton did in the 90's. Thirdly, I have grown to like and respect AOC but she is not old enough nor experienced enough IMHO.

[oldmanlynn]

72. No. Americans are not ready for this.

[shepherd318]

73. Hindenberg

I think she's brilliant, and mostly wrong on economic issues.
She'd lose 50 states. I'd vote for her.

[HelpImSurrounded]

76. Too young. Get her into the Speakership first, or at least Whip

I love her to death. I would vote and donate for her every time. But let her build her internal coalition first.

[Gore1FL]

77. I would like to see her or someone like her in that role someday.

Next? No. She's a bit young. She was born in 1989 making her barely eligible for the job now.

Let her level up a bit.

[Emile]

79. She would have a better chance than a center of the road politician.

[JustAnotherGen]

80. JHFC

Just fuck no! I'm of the mindset there won't be a Presidential election for decades.

[Jit423]

81. I would vote for her and so would all my grandchildren.

[pinkstarburst]

83. I love AOC and think she is amazing... and I also think

the nominee in 2028 is going to wind up being a white moderate male because voters are going to learn from the racism and sexism of general election voters in 2016 and 2024 and try to nominate someone who has a shot at winning the general. It breaks me heart to know this, thinking about the amazing leadership and brilliant minds we have in people like Elizabeth Warren, Stacey Abrams, AOC, Gretchen Witmer, Amy Klobuchar... but if we could not get Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton elected, despite how amazingly qualified they were, and running against a candidate who was so completely unqualified, it says something frankly terrible about this country that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

[SWBTATTReg]

84. Way, way, way, way too early. Let's get through the nightmare first, before we can dream again. NT

[alarimer]

85. I like her, but no.

People will run just to vote against her.

It has to be a safe, non-polarizing choice. (I know such a person doesn't really exist or is bland as toast, but still).

My idea: Some blowhard from WWE or an obnoxious shock jock (kidding, mostly). Because we have to out-obnoxious the right,

[Fish700]

88. President Howard Stern :D

[LoveSucky]

87. You guys just don't want to admit this country doesn't want a female president

Maybe in four years people will be so tired of the Orange mans bullshit they will vote for anyone, but as of right now the fact of the matter is is that more women are willing to vote for a man than men are willing to vote for a woman. We need a young white man with bulging muscles, cute dimples, and cheek bones that can cut a mofo.

[Meowmee]

90. No

[Skittles]

94. yeah if we want to LOSE again

[KTLA_Contest_Winner]

95. So you're on

"say ridiculous things and see how the liberals react" duty this week?

[GP6971]

96. And this is your first post??

Planning on staying around?

[B.See]

108. I can understand disagreement and discussion re the suggestion, but

I don't see how or why the op's topic is "ridiculous."

[Blue_Tires]

97. I hate to say it

But I don't think Dems will be running a woman for at least another 20 years... The current electorate has proven beyond any doubt that the lowest of the lowest qualified white man is infinitely better than the best qualified woman, period...

[Blue_Tires]

98. I hate to say it

But I don't think Dems will be running a woman for at least another 20 years... The current electorate has proven beyond any doubt that the lowest of the lowest qualified white man is infinitely better than the best qualified woman, period...

[EnergizedLib]

100. I fear she's unelectable

As much as I would personally love her. I’d love her to be in a cabinet, however.

[ellemb]

101. No

[Hotler]

105. She won't kiss repug ass and she won't worry about hurting their feelings. We can't have that.

[msfiddlestix]

106. This is not a reality based suggestion. I guess we need to float this kind of stuff to feel hopeful?

If it works for folks for that purpose, I understand, but it just doesn't for me.
Maybe I'm alone feeling this way.

[-misanthroptimist]

107. She should run if that's what she wants

She'll have my complete and immovable support. I think that she is exactly what this Party needs. I wish there were a lot more like her.

[City Lights]

109. Pass. nt