It says something about many of us that we don't discuss any longer that

[boston bean]

we lost is due to sexism and misogyny. Sprinkled with race. I say sprinkled because somehow we managed to vote in a black male president, twice.

Anyhoot, it’s always some other reason. Listen Trump and Vance won with male grievance. It is a movement in this country that many women here on DU have been talking about (MRA/INCELS/RED PILLERS) since 2012. It is not because all white women are racist. Although some undoubtedly are. But they didn’t vote for Hillary either.

We have been poo pooed, insulted and attacked everywhere on the net. Liberals have been slow recognizing this danger. Hell 3 women a day are killed by their male partners every single day in this country. Not a peep about it.

Please please please don’t dismiss the part this played because white women by a small percentage vote for Trump over Kamala. Women, are in their roles, obeying their husbands, practicing their misogynist religion and some just want a man to take care of them. This is all built into the sexism. There are well known reasons for it.

Yes black women are better at shirking this role, but a good portion of black men are not. Hispanics into are in same boat as white women and men. Ie same dynamics at play.

What we cannot do is split ourselves up over these differences. Because it doesn't matter, black, brown or white, that women are under attack. We are all under the same threats.

Women like me need the good men of this country to care about this. If enough did, women could be safe. But for some reason the male grievance crowd is always winning out. I am not saying it is our guys fault. But I do say from experience that men on our side do not see the threat the same as I do. And that plays out across my travels on the internet and in my real life.

[Meadowoak]

1. We lost, because they cheated, again, the numbers don't add up.

Recounts NOW.

[boston bean]

2. No.

[kansasobama]

27. No, they did not cheat

We are a misogynist, sexist nation. Our countrymen are not all that great.

[Meadowoak]

40. True, and they also cheated.

[PatSeg]

49. Yes, I think it is a combination of both

I don't think there is any one simplistic answer.

[ananda]

67. Agree.

Both are true.

[RainCaster]

44. Don't forget racist

People of this country LOVE TSF's deportation promise. They are so excited by the thought that our country will spend in excess of $300B to purge our country of the people who do the jobs we never would. Look at the rise in hate speech against POC - all those racists feel empowered by the election of their Messiah.

[poozwah]

62. inflation

during the campaign, the repubicans cited the economy, especially inflation, as their reason for voting to return the man to office who was primarily responsible for it. biden did a great job getting us back on the right track. now, we will begin deporting the very people responsible for the cheap fruits and vegetables we consume. YOU GOTTA BE TOUGH IF YOU’RE GONNA BE DUMB.

[PortTack]

63. Nailed it! Unfortunately, Harris lost by a bigger margin than HRC- says a lot right there

When Harris first got into the race in ‘20, it worried me because of who can and cannot be elected in this racism sexist country. When president Biden was PUSHED out and endorsed Harris I was worried…for a while, but then she seemed to capture the entire thing and I as many others felt, well it is time to elect a woman…but no it isn’t.

Sadly, we MUST focus in ‘28 on who can win period!

[dickthegrouch]

65. What do you call gerrymandering?

Or corporate money and all the things that aren’t actually speech that are deemed speech? Or corporate personhood? Or SCROTUM’s utterly illegitimate rulings? Or the scandalous lack of integrity of everyone in the GOP and the KKKristian right?

All those things are methods of cheating. So normalized that many can’t even recognize them as such.

[jimfields33]

106. We had over a billion dollars and a ton of celebrities giving free mini concerts.

Money was spent by a mile for a 400K job.

[LymphocyteLover]

102. they passed a lot of voter suppression laws, used Russia to spew disinfo, called in bomb threats, threw out

campaign finance laws, corrupted the system in every way possible... but other than that, they didn't cheat

[asm128]

47. Brilliant rebuttal

[Elessar Zappa]

56. It's not up to Boston Bean to provide a rebuttal.

It’s up to those claiming a stolen election to prove, with actual evidence, that cheating occurred. Evidence that will hold up in court. Democrats don’t make claims without evidence. We’re not Republicans.

[Zeitghost]

77. "Democrats don't make claims without evidence."

I would have said the same thing 8 days ago...

[Vinca]

3. I think something is stinky about this election, too, but when you bring it up you're immediately labeled a nut.

First, we had Musk throwing money at voters as if it was penny candy and turning his X site into an arm of the campaign. Why shouldn't we think his communication satellites were involved? Musk is also buddies with Putin. But, alas, there is no one to investigate it now. We just have to hope there is an election in 4 years. As for the original poster's point, I totally agree. What's puzzling is why so many American women voted against their own best interests.

[Meadowoak]

12. Also, the majority of Latino men voted Harris,

While there was a shift toward Trump, the majority was for Harris, we're being robbed, and even being told whom to blame. But I guess we're so lilly livered we won't even demand recounts. We must be afraid they won't like us. Guess what, they hate us. And we won't even try to fight back.

[spooky3]

51. I believe that's incorrect. Latinas voted for Harris (around 60%)

But the majority of Latino voters supported Trump. Of course exit polls are imperfect so we have to wait for better studies.

Per https://newrepublic.com/article/188064/trump-victory-2024-latino-men-harris-defectors,

Latino men voted 54 Trump 44 Harris.

On edit: this post election poll of voters in the swing states, California, and Texas reported that the majority of Latino men said they voted for Harris:

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/11/12/dc/poll-contends-most-latino-men-stayed-loyal-to-democratic-candidates-in-2024/

This difference in findings provides another reason to await the Pew Validated Voter studies in a year or two before interpreting results.

[happy feet]

86. Poster said the same ...majority of latino men voted for trump...

[spooky3]

87. No. I responded to Meadowoak, who said "Also, the majority of Latino men voted Harris,"

not Trump.

[BonnieJW]

22. Agreed

I think it's being investigated quietly. No one will hear about it until there is irrefutable evidence to go to court. Then there will be a national recount.
I refuse to believe this is the end

[jaxexpat]

29. Refuse all you want there, BonnieJW.

There will be no legitimate recount. If at all it will be the same sham we saw in 2000. The fix is absolutely and totally in right now. Only the president can defer the looming and inevitable landslide into the fascist nightmare which sane folks have dreaded since the1930's. And what he'd have to do would be highly irregular and divisive.

Show of hands:
Should Trump have been tried for and convicted of treason over 3 years ago?
How in the hell, then, could he legitimately become president? Don't bother to answer if you're scared.

[Pilgrim1867]

66. hands

Merrick Garland is a manchurian candidate and the biggest mistake Joe Biden made.

[Pilgrim1867]

70. hands

Agree

[Blue_Roses]

97. This!

[bdamomma]

103. I would like

to think positive with what you said, but we don't know if that's taking place. She's (VP Harris) is a prosecutor you never know.

[Blue_Roses]

104. I have a good friend who

used to be an OSI agent in the Air Force. She was the first person I called when 911 happened. I was frightened and confused as to what was going on. She tried reassuring me that while things were uncertain at that particular time, we would be okay. The last thing she said, before we hung up was, "let us worry about this, because if you knew what all we deal with and do to keep the US safe, you would never sleep." That has always stuck with me, especially in times like these.

Kamala is very smart and a prosecutor doesn't ever stop thinking like one.

[usaf-vet]

25. It looks like there is no genuine desire to find out the truth of this election. Won fairly or stolen? If we don't.....

...fight. Stealing elections will become the norm. Where have we seen this before? Ah! yes, Dictatorial countries.

[Fish700]

90. If both sides keep making baseless claims that we don't have free and fair elections in the US all is lost.

Fair isn't just when your side wins.

[Amishman]

36. either provide specific examples or please stop with this

What numbers don't add up? Actual specific math and discrepancies please.

Not general disbelief and vague incriminations - please provide specific examples.

And pretty please, no '15 million votes' nonsense. It looks like final turnout will be around 156 million votes when they're done counting, only a modest dropoff from 2020.

[HarryM]

39. Exactly

I wonder what happened to all those mail in ballots that were supposed to be counted after Election day. I wonder if they made it to their destinations on time, with the post office in the shambles it is in.

[Elessar Zappa]

61. Sure they do.

My blue county experienced a red shift of 5% and we hand count ballots. Our election is overseen by Democrats. This happened in blue areas across the country. We just lost and it’s best if people accept it (unless actual evidence emerges to prove otherwise).

[GoYouPackersGo]

92. Bullshit. We lost because the majority of the voting public are fucking assholes.

It's what this country is: majority asshole. And majority rules.

[JI7]

4. More than one thing can be true

If there was no Inflation we would have won.

But if it was a younger Joe Biden running we would have also won.

It's inflation + Misogyny that hurt Harris.

And if Trump was not a straight white man he would have lost.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Racism played a huge part

This country hates black women - and I think there were enough white women who were jealous of her to shoot themselves in the foot.

I'm married to a high status white male. There is a segment of that group that has a "how dare you!?!?" mentality - though they will never show or say it blatantly.

I rest easy at night because that same high status white male is on plane to Grand Cayman for a fishing trip with my brother. It is what it is.

[boston bean]

7. Jen, I don't disagree, but Hillary lost too.

That is why I feel as I do. We are ALL going to suffer the same consequence. No matter which part either of us believed played a bigger part.

[biophile]

17. Hillary won the popular vote

So a majority of Americans did vote for a white woman- the EC stopped her. But definitely a female POC was a bridge too far.

[boston bean]

82. Majority of white women did not vote for Hillary.

[spooky3]

88. No, but according to Pew Validated Voters study, white women voted

47 Trump 45 Clinton, with some voting third party. See the first graphic here:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

[AkFemDem]

8. It played a role, but sexism played a much bigger one

That's why a white woman couldn't win, and it's why it was okay for a black woman to be in the second highest office. "They" don't want to see a woman in charge.

[Henry203]

10. Yes they hate black women

Because they speak the truth.

[CrispyQ]

30. Take public transportation for a couple of days

& you'll see a huge difference in the way white women are treated vs black women. Latinas too, but black women are treated the worst.

[AkFemDem]

6. Sexism is 100% a main issue in this debacle

I din't think it's an Only Issue, but it certainly played a significant enough role that she would have won if she'd had a penis and identified as male.

The economy, mainstream media games, her late entry into the race, Biden's Israel policy, racism, etc etc etc all played a role but I agree with you that the most impactful issue was (once again) gender.

[Keepthesoulalive]

76. Maybe you see gender as the main reason

But in the southern states and I include florida and Texas. Race played a powerful role
And women went along with it. The number of women voting for the pussy grabber in chief was shocking. Black women are the most loyal voters the democrats had but when you bring up racism people start to deflect and disregard their experience. So Obama was elected , you forget the backlash was intense all of it racist, birthers, tea party, freedom caucus, 4 Chan and eventually Trump. Oh yeah Hispanics come from different countries, let’s not lump them together. The cultures are different.

[AkFemDem]

78. Blue leaning Southern states elected a black man... and they...

were fine voting for a black woman to be veep.

There's a stigma against a woman at the top that I don't think is going away in my lifetime.

[AkFemDem]

79. Also another role of sexism here is the dating scene

My Millenial/Gen Z straddling daughter who is a career woman and uninterested in dating says that a lot of women in her age range don't want to seriously date and certainly don't want to get married and young guys are feeling frustrated and pissed. She thinks thats part of why so many under 30 males went Trump- they're angry at women in general.

[Keepthesoulalive]

80. The black woman was on Biden's ticket.

Kinda came with the white guy and I adore Joe Biden.
The backlash against Obama was horrendous. There is no justification for any woman to vote for such a sick narcissist that will take away her rights. But as many black Americans can tell you we become invisible very quickly and certain people make it about misogyny not about race. Mississippi and Louisiana might want tell you about it.

[Blue_Roses]

98. You are right.

As someone who was born and raised in Louisiana, race is at the top of the list. And it still hasn't changed. I moved out of Louisiana after college, but those from high school that are still there live in a time warp. Nothing has changed. Sadly.

[JI7]

9. Even now there is criticism of the Dog Killer

being picked for some position and how she isn't fit for it. And that's totally true and they should report that.

But the same is true of Trump himself and many others he is picking.

Hold him to the same standards.

[kerouac2]

11. Grievance crowd

That is what jumped out of your post to me. Grievance crowd. They are a bunch of sniveling a-holes who thrive on excuses and blaming others. And the white men, especially middle aged, less educated, less enlightened ones were the largest segment of the crowd. But they are by no means the whole crowd.

And while we wring our hands and watch in horror, they aren't even paying attention. Their team of a-holes won. And they are nothing if not loyal to their team. They are like the frog in boiling water, unable and/or unwilling to see what is in store for them.

But yeah, on top of that, many if not most are anti-women. But as some have pointed out here at du, a lot of women are also anti-woman - at least when it comes to president. It is mind boggling to see how many women vote for Trump. Has to be the grievances.

[marble falls]

13. We lost because a large segement of Independent and MAGA voters don't trust either party. We were ...

... the victims of 'bothesiderism'. Somehow we got taken for as bad as them.

TFG was the default 'outside the beltway' candidate both parties wanted to see gone. He became the the outsider candidate.

[Theproletariat]

64. Spot on

Our loss has a lot more to do with anger at the establishment than anything else. Are some conservatives racist? Sure. Is it the majority of them? I don’t believe it is.

From conversations with my friends that are conservative, they all look at the establishment of both parties as separate wings of the same bird.

Oddly enough, the investigations/lawsuits/attempted assassination of Trump only galvanized their support of him because they viewed it as an unfair attack by the establishment — not just the left.

[Willard123]

107. I'm Glad

To see a voice of reason.

There is no world-ending group of evil cabals everywhere you look.

We can still encounter a conservative person without hating their guts, refusing to engage in basic decency toward them, or obliterating our own families.

I hope this doesn’t become a 4 or 8 or 12 year outlook. It will only harm the people who carry it with them all day, every day.

[DemonGoddess]

14. This SHOULD be discussed

It's so blatantly obvious, how can it not be? Rather than blaming everything else except sexism and misogyny. But that requires some brutal honesty on the parts of these people.

[Ladyhawke1]

15. I could not have said it any better Sister.

There will come a time when women will have to take a stand.


Be without fear in the face of your enemies.
Be brave and upright that God may love thee.
Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death.
Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.
That is your oath. – (Kingdom of Heaven – movie 2005)

Remember your oath.

[mopinko]

16. they won because they lied. over and over, about everything. and they had a symphony of liars behind them.

and they fucking got away w it, cuz we’re soooo steeped in lies, no 1 knows what to believe any more.
did they lie about women and minorities for a reason? yes. they played the bigots like a steinway grand.
but the only way for them to do that is to lie, lie, lie.

[Walleye]

18. If there had been no inflation and everything else was perfect, we still wouldn't elect a woman as president.

I suppose theoretically possible, but I don’t believe it until it happens. Right up until election day. I still only believed we had a 50-50 chance.

[chouchou]

19. Personally, I believe there's a segment of the male population that LOVES to be the only..

..bread-winner in the family. That way, the Woman/Vagina is (at least) partially HIS.
He owns her. She is depended on him for everything and when he's horny..get on the bed woman.
He's a Man..Yeah..A REAL Man.
The other normal men think of his spouse as a partner and a loving, caring being to his children and partner.
He is supportive and does not think of himself as an OWNER.
I'm a lucky woman. My husband is a Jewell.
..The above words mostly came from my husband.

[CrispyQ]

34. Some young men on the internet pointed out how grandma & granddad never got divorced

& whoa, did the young women set them straight by siting divorce laws, credit laws, marital rape laws. Social media's one of those double-edged swords, lots of bad stuff, but some good, too. Women sharing their stories has been a huge boon to the We're Not Going Back movement.

[chouchou]

75. That's a great point! I forgot about that but, young women need to have that reality as Ammunition.

[bcbink]

20. well said

As a 65 yo woman I was raised to be second class.
"It's too bad that brain is wasted in a girl."
"You don't need to know what the name is, you'll have a man to do this for you." (while passing him a tool to change my brakes)
Men don't like smart girls Bink, try to not let is show.
You'll never keep a man if you keep doing things yourself.

All said by a loving father.
and now we are going backwards

[Diamond_Dog]

60. "Men don't like smart girls"

How familiar that sounds (from my youth).

[3catwoman3]

74. 1971 or so - My own mother told me not to be too obvious about being...

...intelligent because men found this threatening. I was in nursing school, and was relating a moment of triumph when I knew something that a couple of male med student friends of mine did not know.

This advice was in direct conflict with the expectation from both parents all my life that I earn high grades and always at least be on the honor roll. The more A grades the better. I was lectured when I was only 8 yrs old because I got a "Needs To Improve" in Show-and-Tell on a 3rd grade report card once - "You will be going to college, you know." I remember thinking, even then, that a college was probably not going to care about Show-and-Tell in 3rd grade.

[EdmondDantes_]

21. I agree with you that as guys we don't see the threat the same

We have that luxury and unearned privilege.

This was a really thoughtful and insightful post. We really need to figure out the male grievance thing. Both for electoral reasons but also because that grievance comes out in other more direct violence as you noted.

[cachukis]

23. My sense is after Georgia black women showed

the way in 2020, the crowd you described, got their hackles up, and managed to best our very good campaign.
We could not overcome the uninformed and misinformed among us, to vote their entertainers into office.
Trump's cabinet is filled with loyalty and tv presence. We lost to a new, shallow media that shares tidbits rather than depth.
They say they wanted policy, we offered policy. Did they go hunting for depth or analysis of policy. That might upend their feel goods of grievance.
It is a new media world.

[Jarqui]

24. I think the top post is premature

We have to learn from what occurred.

To do that properly, we have to take the time to study what occurred and understand it

I'm sure "sexism and misogyny" and "race" are components but I think there is more to it than those components.

The better job we do figuring that out and acting on it, the better chance that history won't repeat itself.

[yardwork]

26. Sexism, racism - and misinformation.

[mnhtnbb]

28. There is an element of racism

among women voters: fewer women voted for Harris than for Biden, or even Hillary. If white women had voted for Harris at the rate black women did, we would have a different outcome.
I've lived discrimination against women. In the '70's I got my Master's degree in a male dominated field. During my professional life, I was hit on by not only my boss during a performance review (who happened to be black), but also by the CFO and several physicians at the hospital. A colleague told me that a man was hired for another position at my same level with no more experience than I had for a higher salary. No surprise, right?
I have to say, that despite knowing from first hand experience about the misogyny and sexism in this country, I really believed that when it came down to it, the threat of losing the choice to make our own reproductive health care decisions would bring women together --regardless of color --to vote for Harris. Boy, was I wrong.

[Hope22]

31. It was magical.

A convicted rapist, twice impeached , convicted felon, liar, and document thief, could appear to have prevailed over a candidate who actually had plans and considerations for the American people. He Triumphed over a compassionate, intelligent, person of integrity all why campaigning in a stupor reciting lies and telling demeaning stories to his cult members. His attacks hit at the integrity VP Harris and every female in the nation but to be fair that happens out there more often than not.

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. It's the patriarchy.

It's always been the patriarchy. Smash the fucking patriarchy.

Great post!

[JT45242]

33. Racism is a HUGE part ... think of why they still call it Obamacare and claim that they hate it. Even the name...

of an uppity black man makes them so angry that they want to repeal OBAMACARE even if it kills me.

We are seeing all over the internet people going "I'm glad Trump is going to get rid of Obamacare but he better not touch my ACA. "Branding it with a black dude's name was enough to make them hate it and not want to find out that the OBAMACARE is what republicans called the ACA to get your puny racist mind to hate the thing that is keeping you alive.

If you don't understand that racism is a HUGE part then why are reparations for whites one of the first things the felon wants to do.

Not only will the white supremacists end any talk of reparations for people actually wronged by the US government and its policies -- descendants of slaves, indigenous peoples, the Japanese put in camps during WW2, etc. -- they are going to take from those groups to give more to whites. Soon to only be white males. Soon after only white males that are republicans. Ideally, white republican males who own real propoerty -- none of those renters or other riff raff.

A government for the wealthy, by the wealthy, and of the wealthy.

[valleyrogue]

43. Then why was Obama elected TWICE?

There is your answer.

It was the sexism and sexism ALONE.

Let's quit dancing around the obvious.

[marmar]

50. That's naive.

[Orrex]

35. She was the vastly superior candidate by any objective measure

Except that the country is full of misogynist, racist fuckheads.

[Blue_Roses]

100. And just plain stupid people

who like being stupid.

[Lucky Luciano]

37. There were a bunch of voters that voted for AOC and fuckface.

AOC made a YouTube video about it.

?si=TAeJyqI7LriZWhl8

[Ocelot II]

53. AOC is a congresswomen. Women get elected to Congress pretty often these days.

But the presidency is a whole 'nother thing. Congresspeople aren't really in charge of things; they're basically go-betweens. But Presidents are in charge. Women can't be allowed to be in charge.

[paleotn]

38. I agree and I care!

Some time ago, my wife and I did a little experiment. For a whole weekend we analyzed situations. Dark parking lots obviously but others as well. How I perceived possibly threats, how she did and how we differed. Eye opening to say the least. As a white male, I go through life not all that worried about much. For my wife, whole different story. Threats to her safety out there that I don’t even recognize. I have no frame of reference. As males of any race, we need to fully understand what it’s like for women in our lives. And not poo poo it just because we don’t get it. We need to get it.

And misogyny played a huge part in this election. To simply blame it on the price of fucking eggs is foolish in the extreme.

[Silver Gaia]

52. Thank you.

[LittleGirl]

41. Although I agree somewhat

I think the media is the reason. Heather Cox Richardson explains that really well in her live FB yesterday. The right wing media outnumbers liberal voices 10-1 (I don't know the exact, but you get the gist). We must have better media choices to turn to. If 3 stations (Fox, OANN, Newmax) all glow on about 45, we have no way to counter that. 30 years of Rush Limbaugh has warped their sense of reality. The fact that so many are searching for "tariffs" on Google means that they did not do any research before the election. There are people in this world that believe that MEN rule over us and that's okay with them. They would never vote for a woman. We need an "Angela Merkel" in this country and then we will finally have some female representation.

We must gain more media coverage and we must do things that society is used to. They are not used to 3 months of a candidacy for president and we didn't help ourselves by trying to catch up.

The "we didn't know Harris" b.s. is just an excuse. They were never going to vote for her, no matter what.

[Pilgrim1867]

42. Its only beginning

Folks, a reistance must be formed. They will not stop until America is a shell of its former self. These forums will be gone. I suggest you begin exchanging personal information to remain in contact with one another. Me, I am aiming for Canada, perhaps a blue state. BUT accept, we are all doomed, the party failed miserable and now we suffer.

[Blue_Roses]

101. Well, aren't you just a big ray

of sunshine

[yellowdogdemocrat1]

45. The Nickname "Karen" Need to be Abolished

This has always been a way to call down women. It's a way to demean women and make women who are angry an unacceptable part of society. It's a way to throw us aside and demean us.

Please stop calling any women a "Karen". Stop....please.

[LizBeth]

69. AGree, it started on reddit by some pathetic guy who got dumped that

started this going after the x and it blossomed into complaining managers then racist shit. Now it is simply any time a woman has an opinion or a question.

[dlk]

48. We need to think about where in our culture respect for women is taught/learned

There is a firehose of misogyny and racism everywhere we look. What is there to counter it?

Until this changes, I fear as a society, we will only continue to go backward.

And, yes, Republicans cheated.

[msfiddlestix]

54. Hmm. I dunno about that. At least not in my community. These issues were in play in a major way, and we talked about

it throughout the campaign. I saw it here on DU. But maybe not as often as my peeps talk about it in person.

[mahina]

57. We lost because we spent $1 billion on TV ads, but no social media online where we iuld

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How to talk to the rest of the country that is not already in our camp. We were talking to ourselves. And sports, health, non-political entire digital dialogue space, the other guys were focused and dominated. Who wants to get in an argument with a scary hostile mega or Q kind of troll? Of course we didn’t respond. Not as our individual selves, with our true names.

Racist and sexism had a place a big place and they used it aggressively, but that’s not why we lost. If somebody said it organized the way to go battle the trolls instead of seating the ground in the public space to Trump facts, that’s the desert where his lies are believed and no one is responding until this moment, mostly of course. We need a response method that is safe and unified to reclaim the land of facts. We need that urgently.

[SARose]

58. Here's what I heard while canvassing neighbors

We need a strong leader.

We need illegal aliens OUT.

The price of eggs is too high.

No care for transgender kids - Cruz ran exclusively on this.

We need a change in direction.

The America I know is going to shit.

Get porn out of our schools.

Oh Trump is just joking - he doesn’t really mean it.

No taxes on overtime and Medicare.

Occasionally I heard I just can’t vote for a woman. We need strong leadership.

What I did not hear

Very few people knew about Bidenomics.

Very few people cared about NATO or Ukraine. Most wanted our money spent on our people.

Absolutely no one I talked with cared one iota about Gaza. Let Israel clean out that mess.

Nobody cares about healthcare or Medicare for all. Socialism.

So you see? Yes, there was misogyny but the majority of folks I talked to rejected almost the entire Democratic Party platform. Time and time again I heard how hard people worked and how illegals were getting more benefits than real Americans. Basically things they heard on Fox News.

Trump hit all the high notes and then some. He’s their man and he will fix this country.

Sometimes you have to walk away and let karma do her job.

[KS Toronado]

73. It's the right wing propaganda outlets like FQX that are ruining this Country

[Zeitghost]

81. Fox's non-election year audience

Is like 3 million daily viewers. This year closer to the election was closer to 5 million and election night was ~10 million.

There are podcasts that most have never heard of that draw multiple times that. The Joe Rogan Trump interview is estimated to have reached 75 million+. Cable and OTA networks are a dying media.

[Marigold]

59. Kamala's debate performance

I can't help but think of Kamala's strong debate performance against DT. And wonder how many men who watched it did not see it as a win, but another example of an uppity b***h telling a man what to do and emasculating him? They are tired of women nagging them, they are tired of their own wives, tired of successful women who don't need them. They saw Doug Emhoff as weak and capitulating. This may have energized the base more than we know. Everyone was talking about how she whooped DT's butt, but that is not what they saw. It made it worse that she was a black Asian. Not only a woman, but someone who is going to "replace" them. They were going to show us that we need to stay in our place as women.

I know many men, my husband included, are supportive and voted for Kamala. But her strong performance may have also set off those with this mindset, including Latino men. Just a thought. You know what they say about opinions........

[Roc2020]

68. Yeah 20/20 I think the same

They saw Kamala Demolishing Trump in the debate as motivating more to vote against her. A strong woman, especially a black asian woman as highly intimidating. Kamala simply scared the sh.. out of them. Exit polls cemented that too. Frustrating all way around

[Silver Gaia]

71. My young, white, male neighbor agrees with you.

We are fortunate to have as nearby neighbors a young couple in their 30s who are staunch Democrats, good liberals. He is white, she is Latino. They are expecting their first child.

He stopped to talk to me last weekend while I was working in the yard and he was out walking their dog. We hadn't seen each other since the election, so of course we talked about it. He told me that he was embarrassed and ashamed of what he called "his demographic," young white men. He said that in conversations with men his age whom he had considered friends that, when he told them he was voting for Kamala Harris, he would get responses like, "Really? You're voting for a woman? WHY? You're not a woman!" He told me that he would do his best to get them to see that she was by far the better choice, and even though some of them might go so far as to admit that, they still said they would never vote for a woman for president.

And this is not MAGA country. Far from it. This is urban Northern California.

I said, "You know... I don't know how [his wife] feels about it, but from my perspective, I've spent my whole life working for the rights of others and for my rights as a woman, and at my age, to have come so close, twice now, this just plain HURTS." He looked down and said, "Yeah, I know. I'm sorry." I said, "Well, it's not your fault. You tried. It's their fault." He told me that he does feel responsible, though. He said, "It was right there in front of me, and I didn't SEE it. I should have tried harder." He said he is in "rethinking and regrouping" mode right now.

Surely he's not the only one. There have to be other good young men around the country, I hope MANY, who are also seeing this and are rethinking and regrouping. And not just young men, we need men of all ages, races, and social groups to stand strong with us. You're right. We do "need the good men of this country to care about this." I think maybe they do care. We have to work TOGETHER to fix this. He gave me hope. I hope sharing what he said gives hope to you as well.

[Mosby]

72. This article i posted points out some trends from the election

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219712402

[republianmushroom]

83. Democrats lose because republicans got their voters out to vote.

Sorry to say we didn't.

[Bev54]

84. Yeah it is pretty obvious when two of the smartest and most

Qualified women lost to a moron who’s a rapist, racist and overall the scum of the earth, but he is male. Not much else to say about it. I can no longer defend the indefensible. I am afraid my country, Canada may fall for the conservatives as well and I will concentrate on trying to keep that from happening. I don’t think we are as racist or misogynistic but dumb enough to fall for their gaslighting.

[moniss]

85. Of course and we know that they feel invincible

about what they do. If men were the ones being raped there would be no backlog of testing rape kits at state crime labs. If men got pregnant abortion would be as available as a can of cola. I have been an advocate that medical means be employed and made mandatory that when a woman becomes pregnant a man would be changed medically to experience similar things like morning sickness etc. and then the pain of delivery. Put the man in a bed right next to the woman and hook him up to electrodes so that when she gets pain he gets pain. Imagine the deafening sound of all of the whimpering and cries of "it's not fair". I can assure you it wouldn't take more than a few months until that male majority that didn't stand up for women this time will be begging to go ahead and let women have choice.

Long ago one of the wisest things said to me was by a woman who said "The world is run by men and then when things go wrong they look around for a woman to blame it on."

[soldierant]

89. Misogyny is the oldest form of bigotry in the world, and the most powerful

I don't like it either. I am a 79 year old woman (incidentally also a veteran) and of course I detest misogyny. But I recognize it exists, and I recognize how powerful it is.

If we fail to recognize, as a party, what misogyny can and does do, we will continue to sacrifice our brightest and best women on the altar of - what? Progress? Woke? DEI? Equality? It will be bloody, and it will not be good for the country, and most of all it wil be terrible for women. You think we have backlash against women now? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

[GoYouPackersGo]

91. Good men DO care about this. The problem is, awful, horrible men VASTLY outnumber the good ones.

[BigmanPigman]

93. Nothing changes, everything stays the same

I have accepted this fact after 62 years in this BS country. It is too simple for people to accept that it all comes down to the same BS. They'd rather search for excuses and ignore the obvious picture.

Americans are hate filled assholes and will remain hate filled assholes
Americans never learn from history since they choose not to
Americans are not moral and ethical people
Americans will say and do anything and everything to continue as it has

Simple when you boil it down to its essence.

I chose Bigman Pigman since that is what I know to be true. Pink Floyd inspired it.

When Imwas a 1st grade teacher I read a book aloud called, "An Egg Is An Egg" and the basic theme is that everything changes, seasons, life, death, etc except for a mother's true love for her child. When I read it I knew it was BS. Nothing changes in the USA except the older hate filled assholes who are replaced with new, fresh hate filled assholes when they die.

[FirstLight]

94. You got the misogyny right 👍

I survived an abusive marriage 24 years ago. I thought that was the worst I'd ever had..
I was wrong, the Thursday before the election wife tried to kill me twice by strangulation. So believe me when I say that this election hit my trauma very hard.

It feels like the abuser winning in all aspects. Maybe that's why I can't watch any news or face it at this point because my trauma is too raw. But every single woman in this country is in danger of feeling this exact trauma.
If not at home, it'll happen somewhere. Because now all of them have been empowered by that orange fucker and his ilk.

There's a reason they're taunting women with
"Your body MY CHOICE"
It is straight up abuse in every one of our faces. And it's only going to get worse.

I'm focusing on healing my trauma in myself and my life. I'm trying to put my family back together after this woman drove my children away so that she could have more control. This is the only thing I have power over, is my own life and my own relationships.

But my government, and society at Large will continue this behavior. And I have no idea how to survive it...

[Evolve Dammit]

95. Ten million voters stayed home that cast ballots in 2020. Why?

[mainer]

96. It gets down to whom we marry and how we raise sons

If MAGA men are shunned by women and never reproduce, if we raised our sons to be respectful and loving, we could have a chance to save society. But if we let men give in to their basest instincts, we will have the dark ages return.

[bdamomma]

99. Women

should not be a man's grievance for their own shortcomings and insecurities either. They need to respect women which they don't. They are forever putting women down, and it's getting really tiring.

[doc03]

105. Sex and race was a part of why we lost. I think Joe Biden was always a moderate

but once elected he let the most liberal faction have too much influence. America doesn't want the far left or right,
we need two parties that can sit down and come to an agreement and get things done. Why is it in the midterms
the party in charge of Congress almost always loses seats. Whenever one party gets total control they overstep, the Republicans
have done that already and they haven't taken office yet, if the Republicans do what they say it will be blood bath for them in 2026.