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Analysis of Flawed Right to Work Legislation Shows Governor, Republican Legislators, Had Never Reviewed Language Prior to Signing it Into Law
http://www.senatedems.com/news/article/analysis-of-flawed-right-to-work-legislation-shows-governor-republican-legislators-had-never-reviewed-language-prior-to-signing-it-into-law
It's become increasingly clear that the Governor presented the legislature with bills written by out-of-state extremists who had no understanding of Michigan's constitution or how our laws apply to Michigan workers, said Senate Democratic Leader Gretchen Whitmer. This is what happens when the Governor does an 11th hour about face in a lame duck session showing utter contempt for our people by cutting out all public input, scrutiny and debate. That isn't leadership, it's epic incompetence .
Reports today show that HB 4003, which the Governor said would provide Right to Work type policies for public employees in Michigan, could not be implemented as intended as the Michigan Constitution gives clear authority to the Civil Service Commission over conditions of employment for the state's workforce. Experts have suggested today only a vote of the Civil Service Commission could enact Right to Work policies for state workers.
The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn't read or didn't understand these bills himself, said Senator Bert Johnson (D Detroit). This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start and was nothing more than a political gift to the Koch Brothers and ALEC who bought and paid for this legislation.
A series of questions have been raised in recent days over the legality of the Right to Work legislation as well as the process in which it passed. A lawsuit has already been filed against the Michigan House of Representatives for violating the Open Meetings Act as these bills were passed while the public was illegally locked out of the State Capitol and additional legal challenges are expected in the coming days.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and much attention
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)I know that Martin and Rev. Al will have me ROFLOL!!!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)DeVos Sr. is one of the founders of ALEC.
Richard DeVos, Sr. co-founded Amway Corp. and is owner of the Orlando Magic, NBA franchise. DeVos and wife Helen run the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, a conservative foundation and grant making body formed in 1970. He served as the finance chairman of the Republican National Committee. [1] According to Forbes, he is the 60th richest person in the U.S. with US$5 billion in 2012. [1]
Money to conservative causes
He has been associated with various Christian and conservative organizatons, such as the Council for National Policy, the Free Congress Foundation, and the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy. His grantmaking to foundations reflects these conservative Christian affiliations. [2]
According to FEC records, Richard DeVos gave $2 million to the conservative Progress for America Voter Fund. [3]
Between 1999 and 2001 the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation donated $12,159,101 to conservative groups such as Focus on the Family, the State Policy Network, and the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. [4]
Campaign Contributions
DeVos and wife Helen donated the maximum $2,500 to Newt Gingrich's bid for the 2012 GOP Presidential nomination. They also donated $5,500 to his American Solutions PAC. [5]
Devos is the only ''Forbes'' 400 member to contribute to Rick Santorum's bid for office. He donated the maximum $2,500 in July. [6]
Recognition
DeVos was acknowledged at the privately held Koch seminar in June 2011 in Vail, Colorado for donating at least $1 million to Koch-related causes. [7]
In 1993, ALEC gave its "Adam Smith Free Enterprise Award" to billionaire Richard DeVos, a leading proponent and financier of school privatization efforts. [8]
About ALEC
ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve model bills. Learn more at the Center for Media and Democracy's ALECexposed.org, and check out breaking news on our PRWatch.org site.
Family Ties
Richard DeVos's son Dick DeVos was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Michigan Governor in 2006. Dick is now president of Amway. He is married to Betsy DeVos, the daughter of Elsa Prince Broekhuizen who contributed $450,000 toward the 2008 effort to ban same-sex marriages in California. Betsy is the sister of Erik Prince who is the founder of private military corporation Blackwater USA. [9] [10] [11]
alp227
(32,037 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,085 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Rambis
(7,774 posts)keep it coming Dems get this pile scooped up and disposed of.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Rambis
(7,774 posts)No matter what they promise to do you can't trust them to keep their word. Look at Michigan!
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)The top 5% hold 3/4 of assets, the top 10% represent half the income and 3/8ths of all consumer spending. The remainder of the 130 million person U.S. workforce own very little by comparison. The top 20% are spending. Incomes of $100,000 are buying new rides.
So, 1% of the workforce is 1.3 million. 1% of that 1% is still 13,000. Given 1,300 Plutocrats, any more would defy the definition, we are talking about 0.001% or
The one one-thousandth of one percent.
Globally, there are under 3,000 half-billionaires. To put billionaire in perspective, the auther of Harry Potter became a billionaire. The 1/1,000th of 1% is the half-billionaire club.
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Tippy
(4,610 posts)Voters should be angry all over the country,cramming this through, and signing it into law..Is this even legal?
Kingofalldems
(38,461 posts)And their useful idiots from the Cave.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)CrispyQ
(36,485 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts).... would talk like this one, we'd start getting some respect.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Sadly, you can't fix stupid.
Happily, you can suppress it.
CrispyQ
(36,485 posts)Fire up the base with fighting words & then follow through with liberal policy. If your constituents knew you were fighting for them, they would have your back.
The internet makes it so easy to send your comments to your senators/reps. As much time as people spend on the internet, they should also make time to communicate their comments to their elected officials. I write one letter a week. Sometimes it is about a specific issue, sometimes it is more general, but I write it & then I email it to all three.
The biggest time factor is writing one letter.
DO IT!
Write the one fucking letter a week about something you care about & send it to your senators & rep. It doesn't have to be long! It just has to state what you feel. Scribble it out while you watch old House re-runs. Then type it up the next day & in five minutes, fire it off to your 2 Senators & 1 Representative.
Make it routine.
Do it weekly.
Pass it on.
mountain grammy
(26,632 posts)to kill the other half, just metaphorically speaking for now. How that for divisiveness, Governor Snyder, you lying sack of shit?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)can't the Governor be removed from office, if this law turns out to be Unconstitutional? Is there any way he can be impeached, if there is evidence, the Governor was influence by the Koch brothers or certain individuals? What I mean is, wasn't he elected to serve the people of MIchigan, and not the interests of an individual or corporation? Is that similar to a bribe?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:25 PM - Edit history (1)
to the Governor, and they did not obtain all the signatures required, stopping the campaign when Walker won his re-election. That might change now, with a renewed recall. A better solution will be a ballot initiative to fix the law to something the people will like.
blue_heron
(223 posts)will trip them up in the long run! What an epic fail, if they didn't read it, and it helps it get overturned!
They know they didn't have the public on their side, or they wouldn't have pushed it through the way they did. We need to focus on getting rid of ALEC and all their legislation!!!!!
Smilo
(1,944 posts)to pander to the likes of the Kochs and ALEC.
Can this law be repealed while Snyder is still in office, or do we have to wait for him to be gone?
K&R
barbtries
(28,805 posts)it looks like it will not work.
tactics like this should never work.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)K & R
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The bill has made my heart very heavy. Michigan legislators has done soe much public damage lately, I keep wondering when it will all end?
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)won't be happy until everyone is working for them at $2 an hour, they have ALL of the country's wealth, and we have to buy all of our necessities from their company store. Their idea of nirvana is taking us back to the 1800s. Assholes!!!
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)and critical reasoning say you are way off base. Get real, please. There is plenty of real to complain about.
catbyte
(34,413 posts)What Ccarmona wrote is a Koch boy wet dream. How do you reason with evil? Didn't Neville Chamberlain try that in the 1930's?
$2 an hour is a joke though
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Ideally, they'd prefer $2/day....and no social safety net. Modern day robber barons, they are.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)That's what a major multi-national corporation does to enrich its owners!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)what they think of their workers, and the working class in general. If they could slash their labor costs, and their taxes that support the social safety net they'd do it in a heartbeat... because gosh darn it, a billionaire just needs more money.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Some thoughts are really out there, off the consensual scale. Does that mean they should be ignored? NOT!
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)I really have no idea what you're asking me or even if you are asking me anything at all. Really.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)I've been saying for years the Oligarchs won't be happy till we're living in the Company Barracks and buying our few necessities at the Company Store. And I'm stone cold serious. I can't imagine what data you're looking at that tells you s/he's "off-base." Just look at the transfers of wealth, the stagnation of wages, the decline in benefits, the raising of SS age, the increasing financial and retirement INsecurity of the working class (by which I mean anyone who is not independently wealth - the "middle class" - ha! That means you are maybe a few months or a few weeks away from destitution).
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Hyperbole is hyperbole.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)who follows this Chicago School of Economics that all these neo-cons follow. He's told me there should be no "minimum wage" because the FREE MARKET should decide wages, and we have to be able to compete with China and other countries, and I asked him what wage he thought our workers would have to be at to compete with China. Guess what he suggested?
It isn't hyperbole.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)I rest my case!
Squinch
(50,957 posts)poor and themselves rich? Do you think they'd stop if they thought they could get us all down to $2 and a company store? I don't.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)You don't run a multinational corporation with $2 an hour staff, sorry. I'm sure they understand complex social and business hierarchies very well. They have many CEOs, no doubt.
Squinch
(50,957 posts)It's a sport.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)And conflating the issue with pay rates is to ignore the real war here, for political control.
So, this hyperbole has some basis, but it distracts from the real situation, an effort to deprive political opponents of the power to amass funds and put up a political fight. Any drop in union income is seen as weakening their political opposition.
This is brute abuse of power to sustain political power.
And remember, sport often involves going out and killing something! These Rs are democracy hunters!
Squinch
(50,957 posts)from the vast majority of Americans.
They want the political control for the purpose of amassing more wealth. At the expense of everyone else.
And, no, sport usually doesn't involve going out and killing something.
SharonAnn
(13,777 posts)The rest of their workers, the 98% should be paid as little as possible. And if you change all the laws, that could be $2 a day.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)factories that pay $35 a month (and then the factories burn down) and clerks who get minimum wage.
They have a very tiny minority of people who earn good salaries. Paying half the population to kill the other half? More like paying 10% of the population to kill the other 80%.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)and if you think they wouldn't pay those scum wages here if they could get away with it, you DON'T understand modern corporate business methods.
There's a class war on.
One side wants everyone on the other side to starve and beg and wants to take away everything they own or dream of so they have nothing left to fight with or for. But THEY want to earn exhorbitant bonuses, have excellent health care and perversely-funded retirements.
The other side just wants to make a decent wage, have some health care and adequate retirement, doesn't want to take everything from the other side.
We see which side you defend here. We do.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Its a shame they cant be happy in their remaining years just being stinking rich, but no, they arent happy unless they make everyone else miserable.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)tblue37
(65,456 posts)Beartracks
(12,819 posts)Republicans are so simplistic. They voted for the bill either because A) Democrats were against it, or B) they were told to do so.
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Squinch
(50,957 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)underoath
(269 posts)This happens all the time and no one really says shit about it.
lets just pass the bill and see what happens. you will see that it is good for you!
why not read it before you pass it? oh you don't have time for that? you must pass it right away?
Politicians are a different breed. period.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Especially at the State level. Most bills are scrutinized word-by-word by lawmakers and other legal staff to be certain they conform with the full body of existing law.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)At issue is whether the Michigan Civil Service Commission, which is authorized by the state constitution to establish workplace rules and wages for state employees, is subject to the laws.
The administration of Gov. Rick Snyder, who signed the legislation into law Tuesday, has maintained the law does apply to state workers. But two commission officials and a state constitutional expert disagree. The legislation made Michigan the 24th state to adopt right-to-work laws, which makes it illegal to require most public and private employees to pay union dues as a condition of employment.
It amazes that me that people are going around saying this affects state employees, said Richard McLellan, a Republican attorney and a Lansing-based expert in constitutional law. Under the state constitution, the Civil Service Commission has plenary power over state employees. The Legislature has no power.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20121212/NEWS01/312120054/Right-work-Michigan-Critics-question-whether-law-affects-35K-state-employees?odyssey=nav%7Chead
So the right-to-work law would apply to private sector workers. It's unclear whether it applies to employees of school districts and municipalities?
If this is true, it only will deepen the view that public sector workers have privileges that other workers don't have and fuel the Tea Party even more.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Talk about incompetent leadership!
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)sheshe2
(83,816 posts)Not that they will ever Repent!
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)Current Repukes have time to correct and vote again.
HankyDub
(246 posts)alfredo
(60,075 posts)while in office.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Snyder heard his masters' voices, and he acted accordingly.
"Let us pray," saith the governor of Michigan, "May the Koch brothers' will be done, here just as it is in Texas!"
veganlush
(2,049 posts)while they still have time to fix it and ram it through?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,417 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)that is involved in their pretense, that the interests of the 1% are the interests of the majority.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,417 posts)it was a rhetorical question
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have a friend who always seems surprised by what the RW says and their hypocrisy and I always have to remind him that they don't mean what they say, it's not really hypocrisy, it's just flat out lying and deception.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,417 posts)while relentlessly mocking and questioning anything Democrats say or do.
midnight
(26,624 posts)Bozita
(26,955 posts)MessiahRp
(5,405 posts)Verbatim from ALEC's Model Bill
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/12/11903/michigan-passes-right-work-containing-verbatim-language-alec-model-bill
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...it's criminal.
Cha
(297,379 posts)Let's hope this gets shot down like it did in Wisconsin.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)I liked the Michigan Dems. The hashtag to follow is #righttowork
DU these on Facebook:
5,855 likes
http://www.facebook.com/MIHouseDems
Michigan Democratic Party
14,050 likes
http://www.facebook.com/michigandems
Michigan Senate Democrats
5,945 likes
http://www.facebook.com/MichiganSenateDemocrats
Cha
(297,379 posts)be joining one of these days, though. So I can do that.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)With Twitter, you can follow hashtags too, not limited to groups, friends, public figures.
Cha
(297,379 posts)Just haven't joined in, yet.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)They work both ways, not just for following. Adding them to tweets targets the audience too.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Of course nobody read the bills before voting on them. Corporate lobbyists write the bills and they go straight to a vote. Maybe if one of the lawyers writing this bill actually had passed the Michigan bar exam then some of this embarrassment could have been avoided. Will any lessons be learned from this? Don't bet on it.
0rganism
(23,959 posts)Who's on the Civil Service Commission, and what are their backgrounds? Looks like the whole burrito could be on their plate.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,085 posts)When one doubles down on stupid.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)pipewrench
(194 posts)The true power of a very angry voting public. BE WARNED!
Festivito
(13,452 posts)An affront to democracy means nothing to them.
They have no desire for a democracy, that word is only an advertising line to get others to sacrifice whatever it takes to make them more money, they want to be a ruling class -- and to own everything.
Jim__
(14,078 posts)Maybe even republicans will realize these people are incompetent jerks.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)taste great!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Should they have waited until the term ended before making a big deal out if it?
ChristineIAm
(4 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)for a Gubernatorial recall, I don't know what is.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)did all the stupid and uneducated get into politics?
The average IQ in politics is plummeting at a seriously unusual rate. It's got to be a reflection on the present GOP voter intellect.
Euphoria
(448 posts)It's not due to incompetence, it's that they don't have ANY respect or concern about following proper procedure. For these radical RW'ers, procedure inhibits their raw application of power.
I don't think these group'll even break a sweat about not following procedure. They'll just double-down.
Not good.
(love the Reagonomics poster)
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)You are correct, they really don't care much. This is all about securing political power by damaging the opposition.
The simple facts that drive this situation are the $$$ the unions spend to defeat the Rs!
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)I hope this is true!
CarmanK
(662 posts)And now the people of MI know what really is on Rick Snyder's political agenda. He is not governing, he is taking his marching orders from ABOVE "the $$ above" and he will now be held accountable. ALEC, KOCHROACHES minions, GOP/TPARTY 1% have been so emboldened with their actions, that they EXPOSED their real objectives to undermine democracy by voter suppression and abdication of governing powers to their POLITICAL DONOR CLASS/Corp persons.
Real persons can still out smart the CORP BOTS and compliant zombies.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)The Rs are trying to force a bill through that would make recall near impossible.
December 14, 2012 Bookmark and Share
House Dems Slam Republicans' 11th-Hour Rewrite of Voter Rights
Last-minute Republican bill hampers recall efforts, suppresses voters
http://www.housedems.com/news/article/house-dems-slam-republicans-11th-hour-rewrite-of-voter-rights
Republicans should be ashamed of what they are doing to democracy in our state, Rep. Jon M. Switalski (Warren) said. Time and time again this week, Republicans in the Legislature have ignored the will of the people and passed bills that citizens do not want. Now, cowardly fearing retribution, Republicans have passed a law that seeks to make them immune to consequences for what they have done.
The desperate attempt to insulate themselves from the judgment of the people came in the same week Republicans passed new laws that weaken collective bargaining rights, reinstate an emergency financial manager law voters overturned last month and directed taxpayer dollars out of schools and into the building of a private stadium. ....