Why do we have to experience mega death and destruction?

[Bluethroughu]

We have the power RIGHT NOW. If King Biden does not want to do it, resign and hand the power to someone that is capable and will...

1. Remove the six traitor SCOTUS justices
Replace with the circuit court that wrote
the Immunity decision.
2. Remove from Merrick Garland install a willing and capable AG, to investigate all this planned coup within our 3 branches.
3. Throw the orange menace into prison with his other insurrectionists.
4. Have the SCOTUS OVERTURN ALL RULINGS BY THESE NUTS OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, AT LEAST. Which will restore our Constitution and save the world!
5. It will then give us the ability in 4 years to have an election, where a President is just a President.

We can do this before we roll over and die.

[doc03]

1. I don't think so nt

[Patton French]

2. Who would be president under this scenario?

Vance?

[Bluethroughu]

4. The King would be whoever Biden gives the thrown to.

No transfer of power until we restore the nullification of our Constitution the 6 traitors did. Hopefully that would be four years.

We have a King now.

If we give it to these psychopathic weirdos we will not get it back for centuries! And we will take the rest of the world with us. They do not play by the rules of Democracy and equal justice, so it's time to play chess.

If all is lost when we hand over power to these sickos, don't. They were not playing by the rules, they forfeited their legitimacy on 1/6.

[Ocelot II]

3. You must not have read the Constitution lately.

No president has the power to remove Supreme Court justices or to make them overturn prior decisions. The decision giving presidents immunity from criminal prosecution doesn't give them the power to issue unconstitutional orders.

[Bluethroughu]

5. Immune immune immune....we have a Kingdom not a Constitution since last July.

[rsdsharp]

29. Immunity means he can't be prosecuted for trying something within the core functions of the office,

or for official acts. It doesn’t mean he would be successful, and what you suggest doesn’t fall within the immunity granted by US v. Trump, in any event.

[Bluethroughu]

36. The SCOTUS didn't define official acts.

[Zeitghost]

38. You still don't get it

Immunity just means if it is official, Joe doesn't go to prison for attempting it, even if illegal.

It doesn't make any illegal action he attempts legal, binding or unable to be struck down in court or by the legislature.

If he attempted it, it is almost certain he would be impeached by his own party and he is not immune from impeachment.

If he tried to remove justices, the entire court would rule immediately and unanimously that it was an unconstitutional abuse of power and grant an injunction on any agency tasked with carrying it out.

It's pure fantasy and a strange authoritarian fantasy at that.

[Bluethroughu]

40. Ok, well I guess a bunch of brown people will have to die...

In a bloodbath deportation, with a provocation of a Civil War with sympathetic southern national guard troops entering blue cities, rounding up citizens also, because we think we'll have elections in two years.

Trumps lawyer argued for killing political opponents, and they gave him immunity. Maybe you, did not read the parameters of the ability to argue against an official act, but it clearly favors the PRESIDENT.

I'M NOT THE AUTHORITARIAN, I'm looking for a solution under the conditions this court full of authoritarian money has set new law as.

[canuckledragger]

35. You have to understand something.

The corrupt conservative supreme court is only giving immunity to Trump. They won't allow Biden to do anything at all, while making up lie after lie as to why their ruling doesn't apply to him.

[harumph]

6. The president has all the power he requires to declare a national emergency.

As CIC, he could pretty much do anything he wants. That's the scary thing. Laws depend on consent - that's the only foundation they
stand on - consent and the power to enforce. Say what you will about Republicans, they understand the true nature of power - however
misguided their actions.

[FBaggins]

7. "January 6th Maga were a bunch of amateurs!!!"

You'll show 'em how it's done, eh?

[Bluethroughu]

8. I don't know any body on this forum saying they are going to deport in a bloodbath citizens eh?

News flash, the Republicans are not working in the parameters of the Constitution...and neither is the SCOTUS. Their rulings paid for by billionaires broke and nullify our safe guards.

I'm about protecting and reinstating what we had, with the powers they gave to the Presidency. We still have until 1/20!

[FBaggins]

11. But there ARE people saying to reject the constitution (and democracy in general)

And overturn the results of an election.

No thanks

[Bluethroughu]

12. No they are saying save our Republic and Constitution

From those breaking it.

Have you read anything about the SCOTUS and the corruption or the rulings that damage our Rights and ability to seek grievances before the court?

They've nullified critical pieces that effect our recourse against dictatorship, while enhancing power to the Presidency.

Have you paid attention to the crimes committed by trump and his allies DURING THE ELECTION...talk about interference, geez.

Have you seen the picks for his cabinet, agencies, and AG...you think these are going to hold this republic together or are there to break into so many pieces it can not be restored for centuries?

[FBaggins]

13. Nope

You may fool yourself into thinking that's the case - but you're acting like the mirror image of the Jan 6 crowd.

No - the president does not have the power to stop it. Nobody does.

We lost. Take your time getting over it... but try not to make the rest of us look like we're no different from the nuts that thought they were defending democracy four years ago.

[Bluethroughu]

14. Yeah, okay...Biden's appointments were the same as trump.

Just because you fail to recognize a rolling coup inside our government, does not mean I will close my eyes and wait for it all to go away.

If you don't see the fire alarm fire burning this country to the ground through actions like deportation bloodbath, project 2025 overthrow of professionals in office, and outright intimidation of public employees and citizens... then you have not been paying attention, and this is why we find ourselves here.

[FBaggins]

15. Keep fighting those straw men!

Noble work

[Bluethroughu]

21. At least I give a thought for a solution rather than sit back and allow

Our Democracy die.

[FBaggins]

22. Just the opposite

You're killing democracy by giving the other side the ability to claim that four years ago was nothing worth paying attention to. That even with a clearer win, the losing side has some people who just lose their minds.

You have in no way proposed a solution. Nothing above remotely resembles powers that the president has under our constitution.

[UniqueUserName]

17. Seriously asking . . .

I believe I've gleaned through reading posts or through osmosis that you are a lawyer. (If not, sorry, must be someone else).

I feel as I've been conned. Please give your personal opinion. Was US democracy in the balance last election? Was it merely hyperbole that Trump was going to become dictator/president-for-life/king?

I'm not the only one feeling this disconnect. I believed from info provided and linked to outside sources on the DU that
1) Trump held top-secret, compartmentalized US intelligence at Maralago (sp?). A serious crime. This data probably was compromised. That the Fed LE agencies probably were spying on nefarious actions of the president-elect.
2) Trumps intimations and actual assertions that he would be a dictator and use his power to come after political opponents were more than hyperbole.
3) The actual damning data would be released before the election.
4) This was our chance to save democracy.

Currently, a lot of us believe/believed that. Now we are being told that, "No. It's only going to be really, really bad. Trump will attempt to cut SS/Medicare, gut regulations, install loyalists, but we can undo all of that if we just VOTE in the next 2 elections." There will be more elections. Politicizing the administration of the government, while bad, will allow our next administration to be able to fire all of the Trump loyalist and install our own. Maybe as decades pass, We can reestablish a government that functions smoothly when administrations change.

The disconnect for me is that: If this was a democracy lives or dies situation, then I'm not seeing that level of concern in the people that told me that it was a dire situation. If democracy is on the line was hyperbole, I am MUCH LESS likely to be involved in further elections, but rather choose to stay informed and vote only when I can see that I can make a difference.

[Bluethroughu]

19. Thank you.

I'm not fast at the keyboard or spelling, but your post sums it up.

We either have a five alarm fire, from all the legislation undone and Constitutional Protections overturned or it's just business as usual... next show starting in 2 years.

[UniqueUserName]

23. You say more by not answering polite questions than you think.

[FBaggins]

33. Hey - that was a long question to respond on a mobile device

I'm not an attorney - I just play one on the internet.

Seriously - I've taken more formal classes on the subject than the average bear, but mostly in business and real estate. I dabble and have an interest in constitutional law, but again am not a practitioner.

As a side comment - it's important to not that even those who do claim to be attorneys aren't necessarily more useful sources for truth on topics that you'll find here because there are so many flavors. A family law attorney may have only taken a semester of constitutional law and is little more prepared to evaluate SCOTUS' immunity ruling than anyone else on DU.

As to your question - The short answer is that I don't think so - but I accept the claim as reasonable hyperbole for what actually was at risk. The formulation that I like was from a 2016 piece in The Atlantic that discussed taking Trump seriously, but not literally. Responses to him are often similarly outlandish. I don't fully agree - but he doesn't deserve better so it doesn't bother me.

Re: the cases - I think they were mostly misguided and probably hurt our chances of victory. Polls showed almost anyone who was considering voting for him anyway (and not a few democrats) considered the charges to be politically motivated. That doesn't mean that they weren't true, but on balance that doesn't help.

Your last comments are pretty close to what I'm seeing. The rhetoric has caused a bunch of people to be shocked at how the party is taking things now (mostly back to the normal business of opposition) - and who can blame them? They assumed that they were telling the truth with the hitler/fascist rhetoric. You're now left realizing that they were not entirely honest.

Welcome to the political game. Sometimes that's how you get people to show up. But when you take it past the (lost) election day... you get things like January 6th - which did not keep him from being elected again, but really hurt the republicans two years ago.

[UniqueUserName]

39. Thank you so much for the thoughtful response

/Nt

[peregrinus]

18. I think what they are saying

Is that the USSC has rendered the U.S. Constitution null & void anyway

[Elmotime]

16. This plan feels un-democratic

[Bluethroughu]

20. Elon buying 1,000,000 votes is?

The USSC overturning clear language in the Constitution against dictatorship, treason and bribery is?

[BlueTsunami2018]

9. We got here by refusing to do what was necessary for decades.

What makes you think they’d do anything now? Especially something this extreme.

This is a roll over and show your belly party. Mostly good intentions, which is why I’m a part of it, but zero will to do what needs to be done when they have a chance.

[Bluethroughu]

10. That's what I'm sfraid of.

I have family that has fought in every war since before the Declaration of Independence, because they want a freedom they could only dream of. They moved across the country to IL and shared the land with the Indigenous tribes. Cultivating together a promise of shared peace.

It was not that long ago, so I will do my part to give suggestions, solutions and hope we are stronger than what it appears right now.

[mr715]

24. King?

I respect your point, but President Biden is no Julius Caesar.

[Elessar Zappa]

25. No thanks.

I don’t want a democratic king either.

[unblock]

26. The immunity decision doesn't work like that. It doesn't not grant a president new powers

It prevents a president from being prosecuted for "official acts".

It does not grant the president any new powers, and it leaves it to the right-wing Supreme Court to decide what an official act is, and how to further interpret this concept.

The president does not have the power to remove justices. That would not be an "official act".

[JustAnotherGen]

27. None of that is going to happen

[HAB911]

28. don't think so

we are in a suicide pact with no way out

[Otto_Harper]

30. Just a thought

When I read some of the statements in this thread, I wonder whether they have been placed to begin finding a list of those who will get knocks on their door later.

[tritsofme]

31. This is just delusional nonsense. Come back home, to reality.

[Kaleva]

32. Catastrophic climate change is almost a surety

[WarGamer]

34. lol... that's nuts.

[Meowmee]

37. I don't think any of this would be possible in the time frame

even if it were actually possible which I don't think most of it is. Am I misunderstanding, you want the SC removed and replaced by those who wrote the immunity decision? Why?

I agree with putting him in prison, but the one judge who could have delayed sentencing until after the election and he would not have anyway imo. So now it's a moot point.

[Bluethroughu]

41. The Apeallate Court that wrote the thoughtful immunity decision,

Overturned by the SC, is made up of Conservatives and Liberals. Their decision was based on the Constitution language, and not some ideas the SC justices THOUGHT the framers meant.

Appointed these justices, would be seen as non-partisan. This SC can be removed for not being in good standing, and they are not. The citizens only give them in 30% favorability as they continue to overturn precedence in favor of their monetary benefactors.

[Meowmee]

43. I see

I don’t think anyone will do anything like that or even try to do anything. Tragically. Most of the members are corrupt but not all. I said at the time that this was happening with earlier events that the Supreme Court members are not gods and they should not be there for life. They’re just people and they are susceptible to bribery of all sorts if corrupt and other things like that.

[Bluethroughu]

44. I totally agree. We needed reforms years ago, and although

Senator Whitehouse has done an exceptional job documenting, hasn't been able to get a majority of Congress to support strong reforms, or removal for clear unethical corrupt behavior of the Conservative members working in mob mentality to break every backstop against corruption or a dictator.

[Meowmee]

46. Also since Bush Gore

They have proven they were usurping power by anointing W. I lost faith in them then.

[Bluethroughu]

47. Exactly!

Think of all the Rights we took for granted and have been trampled over since.

[Hotler]

42. Our side is habitually self restrained by Gentlemanly Politics. The constant worry over hurting political feelings.

The fear of being called names. The fear of the orange convict himself.

[Bluethroughu]

45. Yep, the Republican party is drowning in the sewer,

and they will take the free world down with them.

At some point, we have to cut loose and use the laws they've changed to save ourselves, or we won't have a country anymore.