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AkFemDem
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DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)Netanyahu is a psychotic dictator wannabe who is Trump's bestest buddy. Have them talk to Trump, if they have a problem....
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)The same psycho who's been devouring them for 13 months, with 2+ months left to go under our watch.
That's the American way? Perhaps it is.
And LOL - as if talking did them any good in the last year. Their voices were not heard. Their views did not accord with U.S. policy of blind support for Israel. Yeah, they should have gone back for more of the same, and be lulled by the nice words of a fairy tale as their people were being slaughtered and driven from their homes and land. Yup.
Envirogal
(318 posts)AloeVera
(4,263 posts)You can't say anything against AIPAC, surely you know that. Maybe that is changing but at such a glacial pace I never noticed.
Who is this "you" you insult and accuse? The entire pro-justice/ human rights/pro-Pal movement or just me? Both, I guess.
But for the record I didn't agree with the Abandon Harris strategy. Counter-productive and also harmful to people in the U.S. too. I probably hate Trump as much if not more than Netanyahu. I am aghast and in despair too.
The difference is I saw it fucking coming. Not because I think Muslims/Arabs are stupid etc as so many here do. I want no part of this incitement to Muslim hatred. Threads like these make me sick. But because I could understand that this community was put into a corner with no good choices and I was afraid they would make the wrong one. I based this on what I might do if I were in their shoes. And I can do that very well now, having witnessed the carnage in Gaza and having a particularly sensitive system that experiences human suffering through some kind of osmosis. I often wish it weren't so.
Please don't arrogantly assume people are stupid, or not as politically savvy as you. I understand the tightrope Biden was walking. But I saw how time and again he jumped off on Israel's side, and NEVER the Palestinians. He erased all red lines himself, all the way up to the one called ethnic cleansing, as we now see. The Muslim community saw it too.
"Live with that"?? I agree, hard times are coming for those that made the wrong choices. On both sides.
Israel needed U.S. bombs and weapons to carry out its massive aerial assault. Without those, Gaza would be standing and tens of thousands would be alive. It is gaslighting or ignorance to claim it could have done it alone. It simply is not the reality.
Do you really think adherence to policy and power structures and rules of the pecking order applies even when you believe your people are being genocided and their land about to be stolen as well? I don't.
Have a nice day.
Envirogal
(318 posts)You act like 50 years of agreed-upon US policy and congressional funding with no strings attached can just be changed easily in a heavily divided Congress during an election campaign year that had two fighting interests that needed to be appeased can happen by will and snapping of fingers???
Where have you been all this time to argue and fight against coordinated pro-Israel groups like APAC??? You are way too late.
Biden is not the president of Israel and did not bomb anyone or take a hostages. And if you think we could cut off funding or even if we did that it would matter? Israel has quite the military operation built already. Cutting off funding would not have affected them for quite some time.
Your hubris and lack of knowledge on how policy works has screwed your cause over. But what is really disgusting is you screwed us all over because you did not connect the dots on the true threat of a Trump presidency with your “I’m taking my ball and going home” attitude. It took Trump a week to put in place his intentions for Israel’s dominance. And this is just the beginning of the gates of hell that is coming for THIS country. Live with that.
Until the different factions of the left and Dem party learn how politics work and you don’t demand anything until you have absolute power FIRST, they will continue to cut their nose to spite their face.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)Happens when I get riled up...
Envirogal
(318 posts)And I get riled up when people cannot see the political forest through the trees, especially when they take us all down with them.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)Too bad.
Envirogal
(318 posts)But your initial comment snarkily justifying the Arab vote hubris that is now putting the final coffin in the decades Palestinian issue by their own hammer deserved a counter.
It’s a cutting nose to spite their face and they (and their sympathizers) should have bet on the best horse that would achieve their goals. But Biden didn’t have the congressional support with a laser thin margin to do much until the PEOPLE gave the Dems more power to work out a deal. Hamas poked the friggin bear a year out of an US election year with Trump as the clear GOP nominee. Their stupidity and ill timing gave Bibi The perfect political Trojan horse to not only get out of his own personal corruption mess, but to divide the United States up to let Trump back in power.
I may not be the smartest Kid in the class, but I surely saw what this was going to do the Democrats. I can’t help it that people had way more skin in the game than I do didn’t see it. They took the freaking bait instead of playing it smart. And here we are. Not a single thing the folks that in Dearborn MI and their sympathizers wanted is accomplished, especially moving forward.
It’s all so sad and sick. But the Left and the fringe don’t know how to ever win and it will continue to be sad and sick until they get the true religion of how elections and politics in THIS country actually works.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)There is a lot of anti-Muslim/Arab bias evident on this thread and others like it, you may have noticed. Ranging from the blinking red-light glee at their imminent downfall to reasonable-sounding outrage that "those people" brought us Trump. Yours falls in the latter, but it no less evinces that bias.
The 160,000 Palestinian Americans including non-voting minors did not cost the election. Nor did the broader Arab/Muslim community of less than 4 million, far less eligible voters. Certainly the 6 million or so people trapped in the kill-zones of Gaza and the West Bank had nothing to do with it. Let's start with that.
"ARAB VOTE HUBRIS" - is that like the LGBTQ vote hubris or the civil rights vote hubris of the 60's? The Vietnam protest vote hubris? But from a GOP perspective of course. How dare those uppity/misguided/freaky people vote against us and what they think is their own best interest? Don't they know they have to wait until their party has "ABSOLUTE POWER" before effecting their rights as citizens and having the right to DEMAND change?
Minorities should not have to wait for anything to demand change from the Democratic Party. Nor did they. Muslims, however, apparently do, even in the midst of their kins' genocide. I detect bias there.
Nail in the coffin caused by the Arab vote hubris? Sure Israel has nothing to do with that, perhaps the actual main culprit? The coffin has been decades in the making, the final nail being the actions and decisions over the past year. It's already a done deal. To attribute the blame for the injustice to the victims of it is well...you know.
There were many things Biden could have done to ease the Palestinians' suffering. He chose not to, partly because of realpolitik and partly out of ideological fervour about Israel. He made his choices and so did the voters including Muslim/Arabs. It's how democracy works, right?
yardwork
(69,360 posts)We have a winner take all system. Special interest groups don't get their way when the party that is opposed to their issue gets elected.
Muslim Arab groups in key swing states publicly bragged that they would ensure that Harris lost. "We want you to know it was us."
Well, they accomplished their goal. And now they're surprised that nobody can help them.
They reveal their deep misunderstanding of U.S. politics. The Democrats don't have a vote in Congress, as minority parties have in Europe. There's no way to form an opposition coalition.
We all lost on November 5. We're all powerless now.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)Nor the loss of the Senate, or failure to retake the House.
Why do you assume I don't understand U.S. electoral politics? I understand that it's a very flawed system and I understand why.
I also understand that the vitriol/hatred and misplaced finger-pointing is just a point on a continuum that has allowed the genocide against them to take place. Decades-long demonization, dehumanization, occupation and oppression against them make them easy targets. Very convenient now to blame them for Harris' loss too, for those so-inclined. Makes the genocide a little easier on the conscience too.
For those who never said a word on the mass killing of Palestinians for over a year, and now are full of righteous rage against them and their kin - I have no words except the crying emoji I made and you ridiculed.
I suggest, instead of victim-blaming, some of these Democrats start asking why the huge drop in support from the Black and Latino communities? That drop was way more consequential. Or women of all people, where even a 1% drop would be catastrophic, let alone 4%!!!
The Muslim/Arab vote is lost, probably for generations. I hope I'm wrong, but it would take a lot more effort on the part of the Democratic Party to bring them back. But their numbers are small, compared to the other blocks that they lost and need to win back.
I suggest though that next time, the Democratic campaign not bring the daughter of Dick Cheney, or Ritchie Torres, or anyone, no matter how highly esteemed, talking about how Israel is "forced" to kill women and children and how the Holy Land was there before Palestinians - to Muslim voters in the last couple of weeks before an election. I somehow don't think all that played too well.
I am fully aware that nothing I have said will make any difference to people wanting to blame Muslims/Arabs. But perhaps to those still in the "reality-based community" - and to those who care about things like INHUMANITY and GENOCIDE - it might.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Of all the excuses to play the genocide card, this would be the most ridiculous one.
How insane would it have been for a ghetto dweller in Mobile Alabama to vote for George Wallace in 1964?
And how insane would it have been for a white self-proclaimed conscientious objector in Toronto Canada to make excuses for a single ghetto dweller in Mobile Alabama if they did, let alone for a whole organized group of them?
Envirogal
(318 posts)that their protest vote did not achieve their desired result. This isn’t blaming that they lost the election for us…but they sure contributed to the “Dems in disarray” narrative that the right and the media loves to jump on. Some unity would have been helpful.
They are a very deeply conservative society so the Dems were only keeping it because of the welcoming of all religions on our side. Once Hamas attacked and Bibi responded, this is where the symbiotic relationship unraveled. There wasn’t an issue before like once the war started. None of it was Biden/Harris’ fault.
Somehow, I don’t see the Christian right leaders Dear Leader appointed helping the Palestinian cause as much.
yardwork
(69,360 posts)I can't recall another instance where a special interest group deliberately voted to elect the candidate who was publicly, strongly opposed to their cause.
It's close enough to what happened in 2016 for me to see Russian disinformation as the fuel. In fact, I believe that Russia probably encouraged Hamas to attack Israel, just to put all this in motion and help ensure Biden's (then Harris's defeat). The anti-Israel propaganda was instantaneous.
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yardwork
(69,360 posts)They "voted wrong" so "we" are exacting revenge?
Everything you've said is wrong.
"I" and "we" on DU have zero power to help anybody in Gaza now that Trump is the president-elect. We have no power to exact revenge because we have no power, period.
Trump got elected with the help of many American Muslim Arabs, some of whom publicly bragged that they were going to ensure that Harris lost. They wrote: "We want you to know it was us." Well, we all know. But there's nothing we can do for them BECAUSE Biden is now out of power. It's not about revenge. It's the literal reality. No power equals no way to help or exact revenge. Nothing. It's over.
Biden and Harris now have two months to do what little they can to protect America and the world from what is coming. I'm sure they're continuing to do what they can for Gaza, but it's hopeless. Why would Netanyahu or Hamas pay any attention to a lame-duck president who will be out of power in two months?
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)I get all of it.
Why do you think I'm "crying"?
I get it that people who never once said anything - either against or about - the mass slaughter and unspeakable torment of Palestinians, are now piping up or coming out of the woodwork to rail against the "morons" for daring to vote their conscience - because now, only NOW have they become powerless to help them.
I get it that those same people are now pretending that, were it not for the election of Trump, due apparently entirely to these same morons - they would of course be trying to help Palestinians. But, alas, their hands are tied! NOW they are completely powerless.
Height of you-know-what.
JustAnotherGen
(38,050 posts)Is why I'm moisturizing, resting, and enjoying my time with the rest of the 92%.
Everyone is going to suffer - but at least the 92% can connect IRL and work as a minority community behind the back of America.
CaptainTruth
(8,198 posts)Or maybe Go F..k Trout? Go Feed Turtles? Grill Filleted Tuna? Grow French Tomatoes?
I guess I'm slow.
reACTIONary
(7,162 posts)
AZ8theist
(7,370 posts)CaptainTruth
(8,198 posts)
ms liberty
(11,237 posts)magicarpet
(18,508 posts)... is that Mike Johnson,... what about his Purity Pledge ?
TomSlick
(13,013 posts)Sundance1220
(285 posts)No typo
TomSlick
(13,013 posts)
I fail to see the humanity in this discussion. Stopping the killing and starvation of children should be considered before the consideration of punishing people who made a wrong decision in not supporting VP Harris. I very much hope that Pres. Biden will discontinue sending arms to Israel before he leaves office. It would be the humane thing to do. When faced with inhumanity, make sure you don't lose your own humanity.
Sundance1220
(285 posts)in having a hissy fit and voting for a turd that has consigned women to death for daring to get pregnant? Or for gays living as second class citizens? Or not wanting social security and medicare to end. Or not wanting a supreme court and federal bench filled with filthy magats? Maybe if they buy another scarf on Amazon and go protest at a university while harassing AMERICAN Jews will stop the war. Even if Pres Biden stopped sending weapons, on January 20, those spigots will open again and bibi will have zero guardrails to consider. This isn't about humanity. It's about short sighted, moronic behavior that wants to now be rewarded that has consigned the rest of us to live under a fascist pig.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)You gloss over that part - I gather you don't see it as inhumane. Or perhaps just a minor inconvenience in the way of electoral victory.
Hey, how about those moronic and shortsighted Latino and Black voters? The moronic white women? They were responsible for electing Trump. Can you believe how stupid they are - voting against their own interests. Just wait and see what Trump will do to them! What a "hissy fit". They deserve everything they'll get. Now they want to be rewarded. Morons.
No one on DU would ever think of writing such a thing. But when it comes to Muslims/Arabs - who did not cause Harris' loss - a certain segment of DU has no problem doing just that.
What do you call that?
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)
yardwork
(69,360 posts)You got what you wanted. You guys wanted us to know that you would throw the election to Trump. You did. We know.
Envirogal
(318 posts)Your emotion is trumping your logic. You don’t understand how this works obviously.
It’s the same with the Bernie Sanders voters in 2016. You don’t know how to win therefore you don’t get a say in how power is distributed when you lose. Very simple concept.
yardwork
(69,360 posts)This issue is now moot. You'll have to find something else to entertain yourself with.
gopiscrap
(24,733 posts)
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)
Rebl2
(17,738 posts)ellemb
(117 posts)they should have. Very short sighted of them I suppose.
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,710 posts)Rebl2
(17,738 posts)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
Cha
(319,067 posts)he can "Fix Every Fucking Thing."
Didn't they NOTICE. 
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)Not much else to say about them. They are a sad lot.
33taw
(3,340 posts)magicarpet
(18,508 posts)Now jump in,...
And let djt bury you.
Too bad the rest of us have to suffer the Fascist State your vote against Biden foisted upon us.
Tattoo a swastika on your forehead in memoriam of your vote for Fascism and against American Democracy.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)
BannonsLiver
(20,589 posts)Response to In It to Win It (Original post)
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kerry-is-my-prez
(10,281 posts)What did the leadership in your community advise you to do?
tritsofme
(19,900 posts)
Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)Israel uses some of the aid money we give them, to lobby US politicians that in turn, vote to give them more money for weapons systems.
cloudbase
(6,270 posts)
Hope22
(4,745 posts)I’m sure Biden has never stopped trying his best to solve this problem! I can’t put into words how much this angers me. How can they expect more help when this country is crumbling at our feet due to voters such as themselves. As my dear 80 year old Jamaican friend once spoke in frustration , the problem with people is the melting pot does not melt anymore. This was back in 2000! Dear Pearl would have dropped dead to hear these pleas voiced in that fashion after such actions! Gotta give it to them though. They got what they wanted.
Biophilic
(6,551 posts)Hope22
(4,745 posts)💗💗💗🙏🏼
Biophilic
(6,551 posts)reACTIONary
(7,162 posts)Hope22
(4,745 posts)She was a very wise soul and I use the term ‘was’ lightly because I feel she is still here in those whose lives she touched.
littlemissmartypants
(33,579 posts)
DFW
(60,182 posts)THAT is who they voted for, directly, or indirectly. They “won,” too. They have NO business running to Biden or Harris now. Let them plead at the feet of those that they helped elect.
magicarpet
(18,508 posts)... not her beautiful 23thd cousin 78X removed.
DFW
(60,182 posts)sop
(18,607 posts)We'll be hearing a lot more of these Trump buyer's remorse laments from other one-issue voters over the next few months/years.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)Most certainly did.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)suffer then on bended knee save their sorry asses and genocide Jews or allow Arabs and Persians to do so in exchange for a pinkie swear to consider possibly voting for Democrats one day.
They really are poison in our collective national veins and are bellicose and stupid as can be.
yardwork
(69,360 posts)
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)...or as perceived by me "White women shut up" blaming white women for Harris's loss.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,697 posts)Why don't you watch it and learn?
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)as well as the last one of hers that was posted here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219704433
No need to be so rude.
As you can see, it is the same person.
Nimble_Idea
(2,849 posts)i hear the anger, don't take it all too much. even the anger towards the people who sought to destroy their own people in gaza.
it is all just venting , in the end liberals want to do good and will do so, but there is a point of dgaf if you intend to destroy yourself. there is only so much one can do.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)There were so many white women who not only voted for Harris, but worked on her campaign, donated what they could, knocked on doors, wrote postcards, made phone calls. When she basically implied that she didn't want to hear from ANY white women, it was a slap in the face to all those who supported Harris.
If a person is going to vent publicly, they should think about the precise message they're sending.
Parallax El
(24 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)She does not want to talk to white women, so don’t contact her. I went on a rant about it in that thread.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)but apparently I need to watch her current one (even though I did) and "learn."
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)Beyond rude in the reply. Sometimes I wonder if there are many trolls. Usually Dems do not act so crudely, but tensions are high, and I understand that.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)It was sad…like watching the original Black Lives Matter action and realizing they wanted to do it by themselves. I’m of the opinion that our problems here are going to take all of us working together. As a woman I will freely say that we can not do it on our own! Men need to stand up with us, speak out and stop the madness. I feel the same way about how the black injustice will not stop in this country but until we reach out to each other and accept the help nothing will change. Anywayyyy long story short the video posted above is solid! I’m glad I watched!
JustAnotherGen
(38,050 posts)It is what it is.
We are the 92% - and we aren't doing shit for America for the next four years.
Look - who better to reach stupid ignorant white women than smart white women? Go into those spaces and use white privilege to reach them.
The 92% needs to rest and nurture each other. No more free political labor.
You ladies have got this. We just don't want your opinions in black.spaces.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts) 
BadgerMom
(3,417 posts)He’s come close to getting agreement on a ceasefire and one party or the other fails to sign on. And, not for nothin’, I’m 71 and cannot remember a time of general calm in Western Asia. Nothing is ever settled there it feels like. But the Biden administration has been trying. Talk about an epic delusion on the part of Palestinians.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)I’m sure he would love to hear that Biden did nothing.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)He'll have a nice long rest soon so you won't have to worry.
As will many Palestinians, but instead of vacations, they will join those laid to eternal rest already. In real graves, if they were "lucky". The unlucky ones got bulldozed under or simply bulldozed over to the dumpster. Oh well.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)And let this nightmare pass from memory!
RandySF
(84,260 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,343 posts)
Mortos
(2,454 posts)When Donald Trump gives Israel and its corrupt leader cart blanche to bomb the shit out of Palestinian men, women and children and provides them weapons of mass destruction to do so, I don't want to hear from the pro-Palestinian Muslims who could not bring themselves to vote for Harris; because you voted for more death, more destruction, and no consequences for Netanyahu. You will get no sympathy from me about your regrets and how you shoulda, woulda, coulda done differently now that it affects you and yours.
OrangeJoe
(559 posts)I really like the Palestinian people and met many wonderful, sweet, kind and smart ones when I traveled throughout the Middle East. Having said that, they are the worst negotiators on the planet. EVERYTIME they lose (1948, 1967, 1973, 1982, etc) they refuse to take the deals offered to them which, no surprise, get worse and worse as their losses accumulate. Now we see the Americans of Palestinian descent have done it again. They had two choices in this election, neither one of them perfect. In a pique of hurt they chose absolutely the worst possible guy they could all to "teach the Democrats a lesson." Mike Huckabee & Ellen Stefanik are horrible people who will not give the Palestinians the time of day. Heck of a job guys!
nycbos
(6,715 posts)…. They supported Donald Trump and Jill Stein. They knew what they were getting into. I say let them crash.
https://m.
et tu
(2,387 posts)and so on target, women betraying women
and thinking joe can do what? israelies are the ones who can
vote bibi out. not anyone in the u.s. the genocide is horrible
and i doubt cf 45 will care one bit.
BluenFLA
(229 posts)
nini
(16,830 posts)Then blames Democrats when that was their mistake.
I have no Fucks left to give and I’m not just talking about these folks but the elderly who could lose social security, poor not being able to afford what they need etc. . The lack of awareness on how government works and which side historically is on the right side has now brought us all down.
I’ll spend the rest of my days worrying about myself and loved ones. I’ve got nothing left for this nonsense.
LoisB
(13,025 posts)Parallax El
(24 posts)Farmer-Rick
(12,663 posts)Maybe even some US troops dying for mother Russia.
PortTack
(35,820 posts)Also, the 300 billion in Russia sanctioned funds held by the EU is scheduled to be released over the next several months.
So these maga fools and der leader don’t hold all the cards.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts) 
Pototan
(3,129 posts)Bite nose to spite face.
Made bed, now sleep in it.
Pass the popcorn.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,793 posts)It's actually more like cut off their face to spite their nose.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,793 posts)Their logic:
It's too damn cold in this house at 65 degrees. I'm angry so I'm voting for the guy who wants to set the thermostat to 40 below zero. ... They get their way... Joe! Joe! Please! Turn up the thermostat before the 40 below zero guy gets here.
GFY.
Justice matters.
(9,786 posts)they voted for... 
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Joe will do what he can. He’d have more power if he wasn’t going to be gone in a few months.
StarryNite
(12,115 posts)
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)losing his job prior to the attack (his voting was not going good for him), and well, now, his job is preserved. I think this is very strange, or the timing of the attacks is rather good timing for him.
Rob H.
(5,849 posts)even going so far in August to approve billions in military aid while both houses of Congress were in recess. That happened after Biden refused to attend Netanyahu's address to Congress, and wasn't the first time they were bypassed.
Red lines were declared and subsequently crossed, and nothing changed.
The 30-day deadline threatening to cut off military aid to Israel unless it allowed more humanitarian aid into Gaza passed two days ago, and the US announced it won't be enforcing that ultimatum even though the Israeli government's own data shows that the amount of aid entering Gaza decreased from September to November.
It's not about to start helping now.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)A political nuke to our system also makes me more than merely inclined to finish this by ending the whole Palestine bullshit altogether.
I'm now actively opposed to the two state solution, the rabble must disperse.
They can fill in where Jews were cleansed in Arab lands in the same numbers as their ancestors and shut the fuck up or seek paradise, I super don't give a damn.
Betty Boom
(447 posts)To put it more bluntly? They can go fuck themselves.
The Third Doctor
(449 posts)I hate what's going on in the me but they were told what was at stake. They were willfully ignorant and those poor people are going to pay for it. If they voted for Stein, Trump or didn't vote at all? This is their doing. This includes those people who voted in solidarity with them. They screwed their own country's future up plus several others.
Figarosmom
(11,979 posts)They are why we lost in WI and MI and i' d bet in PA too. We told them they were wrong. It's so frustrating when you know someone is making matters worse and you can't get through to them.
Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)No sympathy.
Pas-de-Calais
(10,285 posts)Boo
The
Effin
Who
bee_peaceful
(84 posts)
mn9driver
(4,848 posts)They are now in the Find Out stage of FAFO.
They have signed the Palestinian people up for more unimaginable atrocities and violence. They can talk to Trump about it. Good luck to them.
LW1977
(1,611 posts)
JoseBalow
(9,486 posts)
Galraedia
(5,331 posts)Netanyahu knew that Biden wouldn't be able to do much in an election year and that he would push for Israel to end its campaign in Gaza if he won. With Trump, Netanyahu gets the complete annihilation of Gaza and to escalate his war with Iran with support from the United States. Biden can't do anything now. The Palestinian supporters who decided not to vote already ensured the demise of Gaza.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)
karin_sj
(1,370 posts)The Palestinian people who are currently living in Gaza in hellish conditions right now have nothing to do with the idiotic Palestinian Americans who used their votes "to teach a lesson" to Biden and Harris. Those voters are going to probably going to be OK (for a while at least). I can't agree with saying about people who are suffering horrendously: "Let them crash," or "to go F themselves," or laughing at them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and all the vitriol is directed towards the Palestinian Americans. It's horrible what has happened and innocent people will suffer. It's nothing to make light of in any case.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Not voting for Biden. If the man on CNN had been someone who lived in Gaza, he would have received great sympathy and support here. But someone who engineered the Genocide Joe Hate gets nothing but scorn.
DFW
(60,182 posts)After all, that's who you voted for.
You told the country two weeks ago that you knew better. Own it. Don't come whining now that you made a mistake. Just keep in mind that you will sleep in a comfortable house tonight in your comfortable bed, while your Palestinian "brothers and sisters" are looking at horrible times ahead due to your righteous actions. Not Genocide Joe. More like Diabolical Dearborners.
Efilroft Sul
(4,413 posts)Especially in the voting booth.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,822 posts)Link to tweet
Oh, so now they’re STARTING to get it.
Voters spoke in a choice election, and it’s going to get exponentially worse in Gaza when Trump takes office. Congrats,
@DrJillStein
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Earthrise
(15,750 posts)others concerned about Palestine to do the same. Unfortunately, it was a few days before the election and his message didn’t get as far as it needed to or have the effect desired.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Celebrated and supported 10/7 massacre of Jews and also at the same time denied it after posting their videos of their own atrocities. No sympathy for them. Their goal is as has always been to destroy Israel. 70% or higher still support H.
Protest non votes or third party votes are always stupid and self destructive.
Nimble_Idea
(2,849 posts)AloeVera
(4,263 posts)republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)Blue for the win
(81 posts)GFY!!!!!!!
Blue for the win
(81 posts)Maybe Jill Stein can help you...ROFL
Emile
(42,281 posts)Response to In It to Win It (Original post)
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OhioTim
(389 posts)how about the deportation of all Muslim Americans, even citizens
Hope22
(4,745 posts)That being said Per the Patriot Act, Homeland does not have to say who they are detaining. It could happen to any of us! Over the past years I have had the occasion to go into the Homeland Security gated and razor wired facility. Before I go in the building I text a friend to say that I am entering and when I get back in the car I text all clear. It’s the fact that they CAN do it not the possibility that they will that counts with me! Since the 5th all bets are off. It’s not just the deportations that would be bad but the sexual abuse, inhumane conditions and psychological damage that will always be remembered. Our Speaker of the House needs a pact with his kid not to do porn! What would he do with a cage full of women?
Grins
(9,457 posts)In the clip he asked Biden: “…for once, stand up to Netanyahu…”
He never did. Made noises. Never did.
As others have mentioned, this guy now begging BIDEN to act is peak hypocrisy. Eff him.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)But I'm wondering who else he can beg except the current President?
Two things stand out to me. One, a lot more people can die in 9 more weeks of the status quo. Two, that anyone should have to BEG to stop a genocide - for 13 months no less- means we've lost our way or perhaps are not who we think we are.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)And throwing caramels into the cage that is Netanyahu!! Did you see the video of Biden and T in the Oval Office this week? They are seated in chairs on either side of the fireplace and the flames in the fireplace are beyond huge! It looks like the fires of hell. I can’t believe that it wasn’t President Biden’s secret message to all! Of all the meetings that I’ve witnessed in those two chairs I have never noticed a fire!
Linda ladeewolf
(1,138 posts)We may all have to save ourselves, Gaza’s people included. We may have to form small enclaves like the hippies did just to survive. All of our systems will be destroyed, so there will be few rules. I’d say collectively buy up land parcels, divide them according to need. Find people with the abilities to grow food, make things, much like the Amish do. Support each other, the enclave doesn’t have to be religious.
Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)I'll be watching what I need on Bluesky.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)I'm concerned about me and mine right here in this country now. I don't wish harm on the Palestinians, but unfortunately, I just can't. My country is on fire.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)…and when they figure that out they won’t burn a vote they will vote and then work their butts off to make things better! This situation was a disaster for the entire country!
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)They're the ones on the shit receiving end. The ones in Michigan can go fuck themselves.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)I feel like Biden has been doing everything he could to find a solution and TSF has been undermining the situation for four years. Just another fine example of that vile loser! Personally I think the blister of that war and especially the timing of it was exactly for this moment. It was important that Biden look as weak as possible and in turn they get to kill people and steal land. The story of mankind or…unkind.
GreenWave
(12,640 posts)Oh wait, that's what the bad guys say.
So keep on hating and tell us how your coalition building is going.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)He will get our help and then vote MAGA.
Nixie
(17,984 posts)But sending Kamala a message was their priority. What idiots. I wonder if Tlaib will start an apology tour for all her chaos and misinformation.
quaker bill
(8,264 posts)The only thing DJT ever said about the war in Gaza was the Israel was not going 'fast enough'.
Now he as nominated Mike 'no such thing as a Palestinian" Huckabee and Marco who never saw a weapons shipment he did not love.
What about any of this was not predictable and easily known in September? Yes, I know a few who have been in denial, but seriously?