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Joe Nation

(1,050 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:39 PM Nov 2024

If you want to make the next 4 years tolerable.

Here is my suggestion. Stop spending. The low hanging fruit is things like Tesla, Amazon, and other high dollar supporters of MAGATs. They call us the elites so let's show them the power of the purse. Save your money. Let the economy crater over the next 4 years. These people that voted on the economy will see exactly how bad the MAGATs are at managing an economy that is running up against a strong headwind. Kick it all off on Inauguration Day with a pledge to buy nothing on January 20th. We have the power if only we decide to use it. And there is nothing they can do to combat this protest. What good are tariffs if nobody is buying anything? We control the economy. Let's use that power.

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If you want to make the next 4 years tolerable. (Original Post) Joe Nation Nov 2024 OP
Here's my suggestion. Get the f*** out while you still can. Native Nov 2024 #1
1. I got no money to leave Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #14
Right. Woodwizard Nov 2024 #47
I was just thinking we don't have to leave TexLaProgressive Nov 2024 #84
Are you leaving? live love laugh Nov 2024 #42
if it gets bad, yes. Native Nov 2024 #60
Well that doesn't work in the aggregate Envirogal Nov 2024 #96
I am also a citizen of Ireland. It is my home too. Native Nov 2024 #98
A lot can't. Those who depend on Medicare and social security can't, those JohnSJ Nov 2024 #53
Blue states for sure Native Nov 2024 #59
I'm hoping being in Chicago will help. But, honestly, those monsters will probably cut off all mucifer Nov 2024 #102
I guess it will depend on things like whether or not you're planning to get pregnant or you think you may be deported. Native Nov 2024 #103
Our Governor literally had to buy PPE from China because trump wouldn't send it to IL mucifer Nov 2024 #104
Oh yeah, i remember that! I'm having such a hard time wrapping my head around everything that is to come. Native Nov 2024 #105
It cracks me up Traildogbob Nov 2024 #77
and if you look at the profile who suggested this, he has dual citizenship so it is easy for him to say goodbye and JohnSJ Nov 2024 #83
Some think they Traildogbob Nov 2024 #86
I'm not a dude. As a woman, I've been a second class citizen my whole life. Black men had the vote before women did. Native Nov 2024 #106
First of all your profile didn't indicate your gender, and I was talking generically. Second, your profile states you JohnSJ Nov 2024 #107
Perhaps you are the one that doesn't understand Native Nov 2024 #108
As a woman who is passed child-bearing years... Trueblue Texan Nov 2024 #93
We cant all leave. MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #109
Oh, I plan to do what I can, but I'm not going down with a sinking ship. And let me ask how this is any different Native Nov 2024 #111
I'm not tryng to make you feel guilty MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #112
I argued with a right-wing friend the other day Emile Nov 2024 #2
He's not your friend.... lastlib Nov 2024 #4
I hear you, but we have been friends since Emile Nov 2024 #11
Awe, he's your friend Tickle Nov 2024 #57
Agreed; the last thing we need snot Nov 2024 #76
Easy to rebut Cirsium Nov 2024 #31
But Tristan da Cunha is beautiful Jilly_in_VA Nov 2024 #38
I will remember that! Emile Nov 2024 #39
They winner would be Tickle Nov 2024 #58
ha ha ha Cirsium Nov 2024 #71
If it is the rich who create the jobs, markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #32
😂😂😂😂 NT Tickle Nov 2024 #72
Here are the job creaters Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #34
Small business owner is capitalizing on demand. Emile Nov 2024 #40
What's the link to? Blind links are a hazard. Provide some information about it. live love laugh Nov 2024 #45
Bls is the Bureau of Labor Statistics in the Dept of Lsbor. Nt spooky3 Nov 2024 #52
Bureau of Labor Statistics Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #70
"The consumer creates jobs." Exactly. No smart business person is going to invest into a Exp Nov 2024 #51
Who do rich people hire? wryter2000 Nov 2024 #85
Without demand from customers who would they hire? Emile Nov 2024 #87
Exactly eom wryter2000 Nov 2024 #88
Eom? ShazzieB Nov 2024 #101
End of message wryter2000 Nov 2024 #110
Go for years without spending money? Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #3
By keeping it to a bare minimum Joe Nation Nov 2024 #23
Quiet consumption Trexmaster Nov 2024 #113
"We all doing what we can" Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #27
I believe the thinking is.... What do you really ALBliberal Nov 2024 #28
Especially replacing old, still-working products. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2024 #73
Buy a used dryer. Mr.Bill Nov 2024 #75
Good suggestions on cutting back, ALBliberal Felicita Nov 2024 #89
No, not spending any money Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #37
Food and other essentials (like toilet paper). calimary Nov 2024 #66
Xanax mr715 Nov 2024 #5
There you go. Fill the pockets of Teva Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #8
Can't I just have 5-10 highly addictive vices? mr715 Nov 2024 #9
Oh, by all means. I think the point of the OP or some of the responses is to know who our money is going to Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #12
Now I have pharma-guilt mr715 Nov 2024 #15
Lol 😆 Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #22
Is Xanax a prescription drug?? a kennedy Nov 2024 #48
Yeah mr715 Nov 2024 #62
Kinda thought so, myhanks. a kennedy Nov 2024 #65
Did someone say Valium. Prairie_Seagull Nov 2024 #79
Google "We Need A Little Xanax" a brilliant parody by Sandy and Richard Riccardi niyad Nov 2024 #21
That was hilarious, I shared it with my Luciferous Nov 2024 #56
I am delighted to share. Sandy and Richard are two of my favourite parodists. niyad Nov 2024 #69
Try kava instead Ponietz Nov 2024 #44
"Instead" mr715 Nov 2024 #54
We do indeed get two votes,... magicarpet Nov 2024 #6
You can stop spending extravagantly, but unless you live on Pitcairn, you can't really stop spending. DFW Nov 2024 #7
You can stop spending on protest days. Joe Nation Nov 2024 #33
"There are other ways, though, and most are considered more effective, even if they involve spending money." Sogo Nov 2024 #91
you wont have to do anything Nimble_Idea Nov 2024 #10
I fear you may be right Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #29
That problem will twke care of itself once his economic policies overwhelm the economy he is inheriting. BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #13
I don't want the economy to crater though. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #16
Change takes commitment Joe Nation Nov 2024 #25
Yep Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #30
Watch the new Info Wars now owned by The Onion Sessuch Nov 2024 #17
Let's revisit 'Not one damn dime day' Bonx Nov 2024 #18
The intention is good, but frankly, the economy is going to crater regardless. Karasu Nov 2024 #19
Thank you! Preached the same thru the 1st 4 yr hellscape and doing it again PortTack Nov 2024 #20
Already have because TFG is going to try and chop SS bronxiteforever Nov 2024 #24
I don't see much value in more hardships when they are going to do all the heavy lifting TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #26
It seems want to crash the currency (US dollar)? Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #35
Max out your W-2 deductions Aviation Pro Nov 2024 #36
My husband and I own a small business Jilly_in_VA Nov 2024 #41
Buying from each other is not going to impact the economy one way or the other Joe Nation Nov 2024 #43
Resistance comes in many forms...We Must.Resist!! littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #46
It's not realistic Meowmee Nov 2024 #49
Read all the comments Joe Nation Nov 2024 #50
And take lots of drugs. RandySF Nov 2024 #55
The power of our consume dollar is available 24/7-365, our votes only every 2-4 years. Think about it, Hotler Nov 2024 #61
Spend judiciously drmeow Nov 2024 #63
I need to get a new car. Staph Nov 2024 #64
I'm going to ignore television news and opinion as I have been for the past two decades... hunter Nov 2024 #67
I would say the flip side of that is if there is something you need-- tanyev Nov 2024 #68
I'm a 73 year old in Florida and living on SS. Can't go anywhere else TommieMommy Nov 2024 #74
Try these possibilities! recovering_democrat Nov 2024 #78
Thank you 👍 TommieMommy Nov 2024 #116
I think that is a good idea ToxMarz Nov 2024 #80
If Muskrat gets his Doge Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #81
I'm partially with you on this. lark Nov 2024 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #90
problem is Trump may actually WANT to crash the economy, like really bad, with food riots. Then he can enact martial law LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #92
I'm just watching Netflix for foreseeable future. Just watched all the Narco series plus similar shows from Colombia. Pepsidog Nov 2024 #94
I next to never shop anywhere, unless it's union or a Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #95
I'm thinking targeted boycotts. Trust_Reality Nov 2024 #97
Already started. 58Sunliner Nov 2024 #99
I am speeding up my spending buying a new refrigerator and a computer for my son as a backup kimbutgar Nov 2024 #100
Two years Trexmaster Nov 2024 #114
Pretty easy for me DiverDave Nov 2024 #115
 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
14. 1. I got no money to leave
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 2024

2. I got nowhere to go
3. I can't leave my mom alone
4. I'm a fucking American and this is my country too... If anybody is leaving it's going to be the Trumpers

Woodwizard

(1,111 posts)
47. Right.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:57 PM
Nov 2024

You don't run away. Dig in and prepare.

I love where I live and it is my country. I may not feel that way in a red state. NY is fairly insulated we got prop 1 passed and got Josh Riley in congress my district.

But plenty of Trumpers in my area my town is 68 percent Republican.

TexLaProgressive

(12,366 posts)
84. I was just thinking we don't have to leave
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:44 PM
Nov 2024

Because America is soon to be no more. A name doesn’t confer what the American experiment is and has been.

Envirogal

(188 posts)
96. Well that doesn't work in the aggregate
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:54 PM
Nov 2024

You think other countries want an influx of Americans coming to them, especially older ones? That is laughable.

It’s just like the right wing says to all immigrants filing for asylum here telling them to “stay in their country and fight to make things better”. Immigration, no matter the country, is what turns people towards the right isolationist ideology.

And the grass is not greener in other countries. So go ahead. I am not leaving and will stay and fight. But don’t come back if it does get better.

JohnSJ

(97,433 posts)
53. A lot can't. Those who depend on Medicare and social security can't, those
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 2024

who don’t have the means can’t unless they have a job ready for them in the country they wish to go to.

Will blue states be safer?

We have to wait and see, and that might be a possibility for some.


mucifer

(25,021 posts)
102. I'm hoping being in Chicago will help. But, honestly, those monsters will probably cut off all
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 2024

of our federal funding. they own the federal government and it's all about retribution now. So things might in the end be better in red states.

That said, for now marginalized communities will continue to do better here.

Native

(6,893 posts)
103. I guess it will depend on things like whether or not you're planning to get pregnant or you think you may be deported.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:37 PM
Nov 2024

One thing seems to be happening today - just about all the media are now on board with the conclusion that Trump's goal is to destroy our government entirely. Considering how the media normally operates, the speed of their collective conclusion is almost supersonic.

Native

(6,893 posts)
105. Oh yeah, i remember that! I'm having such a hard time wrapping my head around everything that is to come.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:47 PM
Nov 2024

Last night by the time RFK Jr hit the airwaves, I was done with cocktails and getting ready to start doing shots. I was so emotionally overwrought that the booze had absolutely no effect. I really do hope that there is such a thing as a Deep State at this point. To think that he could actually get away with this is just inconceivable.

Traildogbob

(10,610 posts)
77. It cracks me up
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:09 PM
Nov 2024

People think the world will welcome Americans with open arms. We are not thought of too foundly.
But the fact is, Other nations will Not be willing to rapidly deplete the resources they have to “immigrates” fleeing corrupt nations. Water, food, land, houses, and a black hole sucking up their health care from people that never put a penny into their system. Natural Resources are gonna become less and less as climate brings havoc down on us.
Arrogant Americans think they will be welcomed in to drain those resource.
Right Wingers are world wide. And swarms of American immigrates (caravans) coming to their countries, bringing, disease, drugs, rape, crime and worship of guns will be pounded into the heads of native citizens.
Some need to step down off their pedestals and realize we may not be as welcome as they think we will.
Most will be, are consumers, not producers, and provide nothing but a drain on their country.

JohnSJ

(97,433 posts)
83. and if you look at the profile who suggested this, he has dual citizenship so it is easy for him to say goodbye and
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:39 PM
Nov 2024

goodluck, while most of us need to figure out how we will manage the situation because we don't have the luxury to post and run.


Traildogbob

(10,610 posts)
86. Some think they
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:46 PM
Nov 2024

Can just go and live off of SS, maybe a retirement plan from a Corporation, state or federal retirement.
This will ALL be gone. State and fed budget cuts will end those, and with the Corporation rule, they will end all their pensions and pocket that. But the Gaetz AG will protect us from that………

Native

(6,893 posts)
106. I'm not a dude. As a woman, I've been a second class citizen my whole life. Black men had the vote before women did.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:03 PM
Nov 2024

I've been fighting for a hell of a long time. Due to my last name, I also could run the risk of being deported, and I have family members who run the risk of being targets of hate crimes. And I'm sure I'm not alone by a long, long shot. You're making the assumption that everybody should stay and fight. I'd like to see you try that logic on the people who are risking their lives everyday to make it to the United States. When things get bad, not everybody has the luxury to stay. And from what we are seeing on an almost hourly basis in the news, things could get really, really bad here for a lot of people.

JohnSJ

(97,433 posts)
107. First of all your profile didn't indicate your gender, and I was talking generically. Second, your profile states you
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:21 PM
Nov 2024

have dual citizenship, which is a luxury most of us don't have.

You are the one making the assumption that I am saying everyone should stay and fight.

What I AM SAYING is that most people in the U.S. do not have the means or the qualifications to emigrate to another country. The fact that you have dual citizenship gives you an advantage right there. Most countries do not open their doors to everyone unless they can demonstrate they have the means to support themselves and special qualifications that would contribute to the country they are going to.

It isn't that they "don't have the luxury to stay", it is they don't have the luxury to go.

If you don't understand that, then you are being quite naive.



Native

(6,893 posts)
108. Perhaps you are the one that doesn't understand
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:33 PM
Nov 2024

By not having the luxury to stay I was referring to the people who leave everything behind and risk their lives and their children's lives to leave their countries for a better life elsewhere. They didn't have the luxury to stick around and see what would happened. And if Trump has his way, and he turns the military on us, how much fighting are you going to be capable of doing?

Trueblue Texan

(3,157 posts)
93. As a woman who is passed child-bearing years...
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 2024

...I still have the same rights I had before, so I am in a bit less danger than younger women. I may be older and less energetic, but I'm going to stay and fight for my our daughters and granddaughter with what I have left, the same as my mom did, and the same as I did when I was younger. I will not roll over and let them take my country. I will stay and fight as much as I can.

MadameButterfly

(2,419 posts)
109. We cant all leave.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:37 PM
Nov 2024

There won't be room for all of us elsewhere.
The country won't recover if all the sane people leave.
If the country doesn't recover, fascism will show up everywhere, evenually.

America created this and America has to turn this around. For the sake of the world.

Native

(6,893 posts)
111. Oh, I plan to do what I can, but I'm not going down with a sinking ship. And let me ask how this is any different
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:44 PM
Nov 2024

from all the DUers who say they have no sympathy for all the people who voted against their best interests, that they're just going to sit back and watch them get deported or imprisoned or lose their benefits? Now these same people are advocating staying and fighting for them and potentially putting their lives and their livelihoods on the line for them?

If Trump is successful, fighting won't be bloodless.

MadameButterfly

(2,419 posts)
112. I'm not tryng to make you feel guilty
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 06:21 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2024, 01:07 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm just being practical. At some point the doors will be closed to us. This is too big a country for the world to absorb half of us.
We'll lose the same amount of benefits whether here or abroad.
The fighting won't be bloodless but I suppose most of us won't be on the front lines and can choose not to be.
I fear for our leaders, but I will fear whether here or abroad.

I've never face a situation in my life where I felt so helpless.

Emile

(32,377 posts)
2. I argued with a right-wing friend the other day
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:47 PM
Nov 2024

about who creates jobs. He argued it was the rich man. My argument was the rich man is just a capitalist who is profiting from consumer demand. The consumer creates jobs.

Cirsium

(1,715 posts)
31. Easy to rebut
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:34 PM
Nov 2024

Here is a rebuttal I use effectively.

Let's exile all of the owners to one remote island, and all of the workers to another.

Who would be more likely to survive? Which group would you rather be in?

markodochartaigh

(2,247 posts)
32. If it is the rich who create the jobs,
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:35 PM
Nov 2024

why is there no snowmobile dealership in Miami? Surely this is a golden opportunity for a rich person.

Exp

(130 posts)
51. "The consumer creates jobs." Exactly. No smart business person is going to invest into a
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:32 PM
Nov 2024

business proposal partnership or on their own unless they have a strong sense of consumer demand for the service or product that they are going to offer for sale. The other consideration is WILL THE CONSUMER have the money to buy such goods.

In one sense, poor people are better for the economy than the wealthy b/c poor people have to spend every penny they have just to live.

And beside, all monies trickle up to the owners / investors. The wealthy get their money either way.


wryter2000

(47,686 posts)
85. Who do rich people hire?
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:44 PM
Nov 2024

Servants, I guess. Plus, they give yacht companies business. How many people hire thousands of workers? Nobody. Businesses create jobs when they hire workers, but not when they buy back their own stock.

Farmer-Rick

(11,645 posts)
3. Go for years without spending money?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:53 PM
Nov 2024

How do you get food?

I farm . So, I can raise my own food. But most people don't.

Then you have to buy clothes and cleaning supplies. I could probably not buy anything for about a month. Maybe 2 months at the most.

Trexmaster

(29 posts)
113. Quiet consumption
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:43 PM
Nov 2024

You reminded me of quiet quitting.
Now, quiet consumption.

It won't work and I can argue why – B2Bs, B2Gs, G2Bs contracts will contain cleverly constructed clauses that will require obligatory purchases of some sorts, obligatory corporate team-building themes that invoke consumption via acquisitioning etc.

ALBliberal

(2,922 posts)
28. I believe the thinking is.... What do you really
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 2024

need to be comfortable? Can an old jacket suffice rather than a new one? Do we need a new set of towels? Can we eat at home more? We are having to replace a 20 year old dryer thankfully we are doing it now rather than after Jan 20.

I type these things more for myself because consumerism? I am very caught up in it and I know I will need to retrain myself regarding own spending habits. So I don’t mean to lecture.

Felicita

(64 posts)
89. Good suggestions on cutting back, ALBliberal
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:55 PM
Nov 2024

I have been buying clothes at second hand/ Goodwill stores for many years, mostly for recycling/environmental reasons. But it robs the big retailers from sales. And I have found plenty of designer stuff-Liz Claiborn, etc., for only $5 each.
Stock up as much as conveniently possible before Jan 20, then we all cut way back as much as possible starting Jan 20 -I like it!

Nigrum Cattus

(383 posts)
37. No, not spending any money
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:40 PM
Nov 2024

It's don't buy anything you don't NEED. Not, don't buy anything.
Also, if there are tariffs on all imports we won't be able to buy
many things anyway.

calimary

(85,167 posts)
66. Food and other essentials (like toilet paper).
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:22 PM
Nov 2024

And pet food if you have pets, plus gas for your car or money for basic transportation.

Just no splurging if possible. And for Christmas, gift YOURSELF to your loved ones. Treat 'em to lunch, or take them to a really nice park or beach or forest-y area, for a walk. Or walk their dog for them once or twice a week. Or if you have a baking specialty, do THAT!

Think THE ESSENTIALS. It'll be the gesture itself that will matter most.

mr715

(1,312 posts)
62. Yeah
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:10 PM
Nov 2024

It is a particularly addictive and potent one, so should be respected. But I like making jokes about it too. And it definitely does its job at inducing a sense of gentle wellbeing and sleepy calm. Spiritual successor to Valium...

niyad

(122,093 posts)
21. Google "We Need A Little Xanax" a brilliant parody by Sandy and Richard Riccardi
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 2024

on youtube, in honour of the first TRAITOR** reign of terror. Even more apropos today.

Luciferous

(6,361 posts)
56. That was hilarious, I shared it with my
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:55 PM
Nov 2024

mom who messaged her doctor and got a Xanax prescription the day after the election 🤣

mr715

(1,312 posts)
54. "Instead"
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:42 PM
Nov 2024

Both! It can enter the rotation.

I've tried kava for sleep before, I don't remember how I reacted. I think it was tea.

magicarpet

(17,588 posts)
6. We do indeed get two votes,...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:57 PM
Nov 2024

1.) At the ballotbox,...

The

2nd.) At the cash Register.

Vote accordingly.

Bleed the billionaires of any income as best you can,... especially if they support fascistic governance.

DFW

(57,177 posts)
7. You can stop spending extravagantly, but unless you live on Pitcairn, you can't really stop spending.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:04 PM
Nov 2024

Even in "socialist" countries, they have currency that is used to buy things on a discretionary basis. If you live 50KM from your job and there is no public transportation, even if you ride in on your horse, the horse need to be sheltered, watered, fed and shod. If emulating Bobby Sands is something you consider effective, by all means go for it. There are other ways, though, and most are considered more effective, even if they involve spending money. Just keep an eye on what you spend it on.

Joe Nation

(1,050 posts)
33. You can stop spending on protest days.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:35 PM
Nov 2024

Look, I'm not suggesting everyone never buy anything again. Just put off the major purchases like new furniture, new cars, new big screens, etc. We all have to buy groceries. We don't have to buy big ticket items in most cases. Buy only what you absolutely need. It's 4 years. Think how well off you'll be with all those savings.

Sogo

(5,980 posts)
91. "There are other ways, though, and most are considered more effective, even if they involve spending money."
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:50 PM
Nov 2024

Care to elaborate?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,151 posts)
16. I don't want the economy to crater though.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:19 PM
Nov 2024

I want to keep my house and I want it to increase in value. I want my retirement funds to keep growing. I want to be able to enjoy the fruits of the labor that I’ve spent thirty plus years building.

Look, I hate these people with the fire of a thousand suns and if they enact these insane policies they’re probably going to fuck the economy hard but I don’t wish for that to happen. There’s going to be enough misery to go around without me to trying to create more of it.

I’m not old but I’m not young enough to have a “burn it all down and we’ll fix it ten or twenty years later” mentality. I’m not interested in eeking out an existence to prove a point.

Joe Nation

(1,050 posts)
25. Change takes commitment
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:26 PM
Nov 2024

Pain is inevitable but democracy is worth the sacrifice.

YOU WILL ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM SAVING MONEY.

Karasu

(550 posts)
19. The intention is good, but frankly, the economy is going to crater regardless.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:09 PM
Nov 2024

This kakistocracy of clowns has no idea what the fuck they're doing, and Elon Musk's plan to imitate Milei is only going to exacerbate it.

PortTack

(35,241 posts)
20. Thank you! Preached the same thru the 1st 4 yr hellscape and doing it again
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 2024

The same goes for cable news, including msnbc. They are not our friends

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
26. I don't see much value in more hardships when they are going to do all the heavy lifting
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:27 PM
Nov 2024

to wreck the economy far more than we ever could.

If they do this Bitcoin insanity those dollars won't be worth spit anyway so better to squeeze what value we can out of them.

Plus, they will crash the Bitcoin in the process too.

Might be wise to look at precious metals while they crash a bit or land or even long term food stores.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,514 posts)
41. My husband and I own a small business
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:46 PM
Nov 2024

We sell rocks and jewelry. Yep. Probably stuff nobody needs, but at the same time, it's been modestly profitable this year. Sure, it's a side hustle for him, but at the same time, it makes money for both of us. Do you want folks like us to go broke?

Joe Nation

(1,050 posts)
43. Buying from each other is not going to impact the economy one way or the other
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:50 PM
Nov 2024

Your business might even benefit from a general decline in the sale of Walmart crap.

littlemissmartypants

(26,641 posts)
46. Resistance comes in many forms...We Must.Resist!!
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:56 PM
Nov 2024

I encourage everyone to watch this.

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Meowmee

(7,091 posts)
49. It's not realistic
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:07 PM
Nov 2024

To think you can live for the next four years and not purchase anything. And crashing the economy is not going to help the situation. It’s going to hurt everyone and make things much worse, so no to this.

I can’t afford a Tesla anyway and I would never have bought one if I could. I remember when people here used to say em is a genius etc. I laughed, I knew he’s just somebody with money who pays other people to do things. He has no original ideas/ inventions etc. and no major talents, and is certainly no genius. In addition, he was obviously a fascist. But he had quite the cult following here and elsewhere

Hotler

(12,662 posts)
61. The power of our consume dollar is available 24/7-365, our votes only every 2-4 years. Think about it,
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:02 PM
Nov 2024

if you're not spending, you're saving and sticking it to the man. I understand many have no money not to spend.

drmeow

(5,445 posts)
63. Spend judiciously
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:12 PM
Nov 2024

Find and buy from businesses like Penzeys.

Stock up now so you can minimize spending in the entire month of January (which is probably a low spending month, anyway, cause of Xmas) and into February or even March if you can. Or spend through 1/19/25 then stop on 1/20 for as long as you possibly can.

Patronize local businesses owned/run by individuals from marginalized communities (I'm thinking of that restaurant run by Haitian immigrants in Springfield).

Staph

(6,377 posts)
64. I need to get a new car.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:13 PM
Nov 2024

My current car is fifteen years old and starting to show its age. I normally take six to nine months to purchase a car, but this time I'll have the new car before Christmas.

Then I will slow the unnecessary purchases to a crawl.


hunter

(39,250 posts)
67. I'm going to ignore television news and opinion as I have been for the past two decades...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:23 PM
Nov 2024

... and look out for the welfare of my family, friends, and community as best I can. My social support network goes both ways.

I've been boycotting industries I find especially pernicious all my life, it's something I learned from my parents. I don't do it as any kind of effective protest, it's mostly it's about my own conscience.

The smallest environmental footprint I ever had, a time when I was boycotting damned near everything because I simply had no money, I was living in my broken down car in a church parking lot. I upgraded from that to the garden shed of a PTSD Vietnam war veteran, but neither of those are lifestyles I would promote.

Republicans crash the economy so their billionaire friends can buy stuff for cheap. Then they profit when the Democrats pick up the pieces and put everything back together again.

I'm weary of these cycles.

The "average voter" in the U.S.A. hasn't seemed to notice yet that every Republican president starting with Ronald Reagan has been some kind of meat puppet for the sociopathic billionaire class.

tanyev

(45,365 posts)
68. I would say the flip side of that is if there is something you need--
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:31 PM
Nov 2024

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a new appliance, a piece of furniture, a new coat, winter boots, etc.—get it NOW if you can before Trump craters everything.

TommieMommy

(1,484 posts)
74. I'm a 73 year old in Florida and living on SS. Can't go anywhere else
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:50 AM
Nov 2024

I'm planning on only buying what I need to survive this crap. Gonna be a hard 4 years to get through 🙏🙏🙏🙏

78. Try these possibilities!
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:22 PM
Nov 2024

sincere understanding for you from a Florida resident too. Only because my older father died when I was 6 do I understand how tough your "social security" situation is. Don't "suffer in silence". Since I moved here from GA, I have had ups and downs and learned there are lots of help, assistance and support in various individuals and groups within Florida, especially some very helpful with the elderly population ( I am in Sarasota area) Check them out and take all the help you can get from them as needed. as one simple example, I live near a street where a surplus meal program passes out food weekly and one thing I know for sure, there is a long line of people and cars pass by my street every single week. Oh, and by the way, if I have any issue with any local, state or federal agency or representative, I let them have it and often, they get results if we raise enough hell. Thinking of you, my friend.


ToxMarz

(2,256 posts)
80. I think that is a good idea
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 2024

I definitely will put off any higher dollar non-essential purchases. Already been trying to avoid buying on Amazon. I use it to identify products, then look for them elsewhere or direct from product maker. Not really a fan of buying used, but maybe give it a try for things I need but can't put off. Maybe a less expensive and good enough item to tide me over.

lark

(24,533 posts)
82. I'm partially with you on this.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:28 PM
Nov 2024

I, however, will not make myself miserable just to hurt him - I will continue my pot buying because my anxiety and inability to sleep.

We also just moved and our old furniture doesn't look good in our nice new house so we definitely need to upgrade. We're trying to find one we like and purchase it before he takes office. In fact I'm going shopping in a bit for some stuff I put off buying but need.

Once he takes office, we plan to have our big purchases done so we can NOT contribute to any good tsf #'s.

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Pepsidog

(6,326 posts)
94. I'm just watching Netflix for foreseeable future. Just watched all the Narco series plus similar shows from Colombia.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:12 PM
Nov 2024

Next Turkish shows which are over 2 hours long and have hundreds of episodes.

Bluethroughu

(6,843 posts)
95. I next to never shop anywhere, unless it's union or a
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:27 PM
Nov 2024

Mom and pop small business supporting democratic causes. It's been easier than ever.
The loud and proud signs pointed my route for 10 years of this jerk running for office.

Trust_Reality

(2,028 posts)
97. I'm thinking targeted boycotts.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:55 PM
Nov 2024

Tesla at the top of the list.

Identify oligarchs, then what they own or profit from. It needs to be coordinated.

kimbutgar

(24,168 posts)
100. I am speeding up my spending buying a new refrigerator and a computer for my son as a backup
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:20 PM
Nov 2024

I was going to get my kitchen remodeled but have given up the project. And I plan to spend more at farmers markets and swap meets. No more amazon purchases. I have prime but my husband loves to watch the streaming part.

And if I travel anywhere it’ll be within my state or another blue state or. Europe. I am stuck going to Arizona because my mother in law lives there but outside I won’t be buying anything else there.

DiverDave

(5,039 posts)
115. Pretty easy for me
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 2024

I'm broke, I mean overdrawn and no money coming in.
I'm all in. Jan 20th I'll try and not buy anything. If they haven't closed my bank account.
A customer for 25 years and for 15 bucks, they will send it to collection and close my account.

Living the dream.

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