Rigged? Computer Security Experts Urge Harris To Demand Hand Recount

[ScubaSteve]

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From the Daily KOS:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/16/2286632/-Rigged-Computer-Security-Experts-In-Dual-Duty-To-Warn-Letters-Urge-Harris-To-Demand-Hand-Recount?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=latest_community&pm_medium=web

Much of the alarm revolves around so-called "bullet ballots". They are cast ballots with only one candidate in a single race selected and no down ballot choices made. Approximately 600,000 bullet ballot votes were logged for Donald Trump with no down ballot choices made in the seven swing states.

“In every swing state, but not in their neighbor states, voters cast 100x or more Trump bullet ballots than any prior election,” wrote Spoonamore Tuesday on “X”, a week after election day. “Where are these precincts? They are where to audit.”

North Carolina stands out as the “most extreme case” for suspect votes. More than 350,000 voters cast votes for Trump and no other race on their ballots, making up 11% of Trump bullet ballots. In all these cases, Spoonamore emphasizes, these suspect votes would have been electronically created with no paper record. Hence, the dire need for hand recounts in the seven swing states.

“It is very simple to prove this (fraud),” wrote Spoonamore in an “X” post. “Take the two most outlandish precinct results from any county and just hand count the ballots. They won't match the tabulation outputs.”
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He has sent Harris a "Duty to Warn" letter stating she needs to question the outcome of the election. He says the presidential vote was willfully compromised. But hey, as he states pick 2 of the most ridiculous results and hand count them. If they match then no harm no foul, but if they are off by 100,000's...
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My apologies as the article was on Daily KOS yesterday and obviously they took it down. I used their search engine and it is gone and I do not know why. However thanks to Native he posted the same thing from Substack on reply #46, see that for more details.

[BoRaGard]

1. I'm totally in on the Hand Jive Recount thingy. Count them up.

C'mon everybody. Let's do the Hand Jive Recount!

[Ferryboat]

62. He will be on the Thomm Hartman program Monday

Will be listening, glad he is getting traction.

[Native]

128. I saw this posted on Bluesky, but can't confirm. Do you have anything?

on Hartmann's site, it says each week's schedule is posted on Sunday.
https://www.thomhartmann.com/radio
Did you see it posted somewhere else?

[markodochartaigh]

247. On Friday

Thom said that Spoonamore will be on Monday (tomorrow).

[Native]

248. Thanks!

[brush]

191. I've been saying from Nov. 6 that no way trump won every swing state....

When Harris was slightly ahead in two polls and the rest were even.

The rethugs cheated. If they're talking they're lying, and if they're awake they're cheat.

We should know that by now.

Recount, please.

[XarmyGal]

166. Didn't she say...

When we fight, we win?

[tritsofme]

171. I don't recall her ever pledging to chase around conspiracy theories to placate election deniers?

[OhioBack2Blue]

187. Worried?

Ut oh...looks like your worried.

[tritsofme]

190. lol

[azureblue]

216. well why not?

Remember all the press Trump got with his election conspiracies and lawsuits alleging rigged elections? Then throw it all right back in hs face and challenge every critical count, just like he did. Everything, and even quote him in the retort.

Don't forget Elon crowed "just one digit" - which sounds like he knew the fix is in.

[sop]

2. Spoonamore's onto something.

Finally, an election conspiracy theory that sounds plausible.

[MrWowWow]

64. What About These Subject Matter Experts to Endorse a Hand Recount?

Experts in the field of black box voting and election security often come from a background in cybersecurity, computer science, or electoral processes. Here are a few notable figures and organizations frequently recognized for their work related to voting tabulators and election integrity:

1. Dr. Alex Halderman - A computer science professor at the University of Michigan, Dr. Halderman has extensively studied the vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines and tabulators. He has testified before Congress on election security issues and conducted public demonstrations of potential flaws in voting systems.


2. Harri Hursti - A Finnish computer programmer and election security expert known for the "Hursti Hack," a demonstration that exposed vulnerabilities in electronic voting machines. He is featured in the documentary "Hacking Democracy."


3. Douglas W. Jones - A computer scientist and associate professor at the University of Iowa who has published extensively on voting technology and security issues, including serving as an advisor to various governmental and non-governmental organizations on electronic voting security.


4. Verified Voting Foundation - Founded by computer scientists and election experts, this organization advocates for accuracy, transparency, and verifiability of elections. Their advisory board includes numerous subject matter experts on voting tabulators and election integrity.


5. Dr. Barbara Simons - An expert in computer science, former IBM researcher, and co-author of "Broken Ballots: Will Your Vote Count?" She has served on election security panels and has been vocal about the security of electronic voting systems.


6. David Jefferson - A computer scientist and researcher who has worked with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and has been involved in numerous studies about voting machine security.



These experts have played key roles in evaluating, critiquing, and suggesting reforms to electronic voting systems in the interest of public accountability and security​​​​​​.

Contact These Experts. Get them to endorse a hand recount. Have them on Thom Hartmann's show.
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Dr. Halderman
U. of Michigan
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[e-mail]
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Dr. Douglas W. Jones
Email:
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Snail Mail:
Douglas W. Jones
201H MacLean Hall
University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA
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Phone:
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[phone] -- department secretary
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Harry Hursti
Election Integrity Foundation
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hhursti
https://www.election-integrity.org
https://www.votingvillage.org
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PO Box 1754
New York, NY 10017-4019
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[colorado_ufo]

215. Especially if Starlink was involved.

[Liberal In Texas]

3. It should be done.

If nothing is found, we're in the same swamp we are in now. If nothing else, the demand for recounts by some might stop.

[Lunabell]

4. EXACTLY!

After the shit show the orange blobfather committed in 2020, this is peanuts. It's the very least that should happen. And musky-smell's involvement, too!

[TheRickles]

5. Greg Palast thinks that almost 3 million provisional ballots were dumped.

[ancianita]

37. Since Trump won by 2,705,700 more popular votes, a provisional ballot challenge might work.

Especially in states where Democrats won majority votes downballot.

[OhioBack2Blue]

189. Still counting

Ballots are still being counted in several states.

[ancianita]

201. I'm aware. We have until Dec 11. Thing is, when will count challenges be filed in courts?

[malaise]

6. Duh!

That is all

[dweller]

7. NC

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356,844 votes for trump
and no other candidate on the ballot ?? ! 1 !
😳

Hand recounts !

See

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/132248639

Around 4:20 mark


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[Think. Again.]

32. Yeah, that is kind of suspicious.

[TheRickles]

48. How many votes did Biden get there? Surely it wasn't 356,844 - 0.

[jaxexpat]

68. It's an elementary school level of cheating. Evidence it and jail everyone who touched the illegitimate ballots.

The clock is ticking. Is the oval office registering a pulse? Yes, there will be lawsuits and judges and objections and petitions and appeals and moves to dismiss, oh, and delays and reminders of deadlines and threats of serious consequences and the USSC will be brought in to save the day. The same (but worse) USSC which prevented the truth of the 2000 recount from seeing the light of day.

So, even if evidence of fraud is found, unless Democratic legislators and executives are prepared to fully use their constitutional authority in hyperdrive, Trump will be inaugurated in January.

[lostnfound]

77. If proven, might be ironically uncomfortable for VP Harris to certify trump

But supremes ruled on faithless electors didn’t they..

[jaxexpat]

96. If there is proof of enough ballot fraud the electors "faithfulness" will be a point of great focus.

I'm looking forward to that special, God-given irony when Republicans cry because Kamala proves she has the 270 electoral votes and ignores Trump's popular vote victory. To ensure the sustenance of our mysterious and wonderful universe, that's got to happen.

[osteopath6]

109. He will be

Inaugurated in January. I'm seeing a lot of bargaining and this is a natural part of grief. However, by pushing *any* election denial conspiracy theories, we legitimize their past efforts to overturn the 2020 election and will have to reverse from our previous loud messaging that our elections are fully secure.

Unfortunately he is going to be back in the WH come Jan 20.

[KS Toronado]

142. All that cry baby has done his entire life is lie & cheat at everything.

Fortunately there are people that don't believe he won the election fair & square and this OP shows us
another new way he may have cheated.

This happening this election 100 times more than past elections is highly unusual and all of them in
his favor needs looked into ASAP. It could keep him out of the WH and I have no problem with that.

Do you agree or do you want him in the WH since you stated he'll be back there?

[Doodley]

155. BS

[RandomNumbers]

158. I respectfully disagree.

I do agree that it is a bit like walking a tightrope.

Any challenge by Dems MUST be backed up with a logical argument and evidence of anomalies - as we have here. And it should be to do a hand recount through normal procedures. Where paper ballots exist, the entire POINT of having paper ballots is the ability to do a hand recount. In some places those recounts are automatic when a race is close within a certain percentage. Where there is an anomaly like a high number of bullet ballots where this is not typical, just ask for a recount of a small number of districts. If fraud is found in the selected districts, then that is evidence to expand the recount. If no fraud found, then we're done.

[waltzy]

219. Innocent question...

Are bullet ballots illegal?
Does it mean that the same voters voted more than once?

[GP6971]

220. Why do you ask? Welcome to DU

[RandomNumbers]

246. Answers

1. Not illegal, but unusual. The purpose of having paper ballots is to be able to do a manual recount if the race is very close, or if there are anomalies in the tabulated numbers. The laws regarding who may request a recount under what circumstances will vary by state. Based on my understanding of the OP, there is a circumstance here where common sense would suggest that a recount of a few districts would be a wise precaution. ("Precaution" assumes that one is dedicated to uncovering fraud - or program glitches however they came to be - from any source.)

2. Probably not physically. The interesting question is this: if the tabulator recorded a vote that was not cast on paper, how was that done? Note that I work in information technology, so I could pose several theories about this. One might be double-counting of a particular ballot line for the hacker's preferred candidate. (Not that I would know how to do it, but black hat hackers can be very, very crafty.)

If the vote was cast on paper, a hand recount of the paper ballots would match the tabulator. The only fraud option I can think of that would yield the paper ballot, is there would be a very organized effort for fraudsters to cast votes for people who wouldn't show up in person. Note that this is a very difficult thing to achieve in a well-managed election. That is why there are actually VERY few cases of people perpetrating this kind of fraud. It wouldn't result in the kinds of numbers we are seeing.

[Karasu]

164. No one gets to pin the legitimization of "election denial" on the Democrats when...

The Republicans were the ones who opened that Pandora's box. And the thing about Pandora's box is that it can never be closed, least of all by the very same people who opened it--just because they (one or way or another) happened to get what they fucking want. Now that the box is open, they are going to continue to play that card whether they end up winning elections in the end or not, legitimately or otherwise. Our fear of coming off as "just like the Republicans" in 2020 is forever going to kneecap us in an era where they have no intention of ever playing by the rules again. And they know this.

What the Republicans claimed in 2020 was based on nothing. Absolutely nothing but the excrement that came out of Trump's mouth. Say what you will about the recount effort, but this isn't election denial, and it certainly isn't a conspiracy theory--it's election skepticism. There is at least some actual evidence to point to here outside of, "I said so, therefore it's true."

Also, I really, really don't think the standard Democratic position in response to the 2020 claims was ever that "our elections are fully secure." Only idiots would believe the process is incapable of being compromised. The point was that Trump was lying.

Even if the stakes weren't as high as they are for the country, we really have nothing to lose from trying.

[krkaufman]

210. Counterpoint ...

Bush stole the 2000 election with the help of state government and judicial branch members; and our elections are not free and fair when people have to wait multiple hours to cast a vote. The list goes on. GOP lying about election issues doesn’t mean there aren’t issues.

[HUAJIAO]

79. WHAT !!!

[dweller]

88. See my post

Update


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[ms liberty]

144. Yes. This is really suspicious here in NC

People split their ballots here all the time. But to not vote for any other race, even the local races? No. Does not happen.

My husband the math whiz is really upset about it, and says it is just not legit.

[muriel_volestrangler]

211. Compared to other state-wide races, Trump got the 4th most votes for a Republican

https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/05/2024&county_id=0&office=COS&contest=0

Trump got 2,898,016 - less than 2,922,186 for Troxler (Commissioner of Agriculture), 2,903,982 for Farley (Comm. of Labor) and (just) 2,899,694 for Briner (Treasurer).

Ignoring Mark Robinson, who was too Nazi and porny even for Republicans, the Republican margin for state-wide seats varied from +426,629 (for Troxler) to -158,880 (Democrat Jackson beat Bishop for Attorney General). We see Trump's margin of 185,613 is in the middle of these. It's clear there are at least 300,000 split ticket voters in the state-wide races.

The total for Trump and Harris was 5,610,419 - a little more than the next largest state-wide (Jackson v. Bishop) - 5,589,042, but not by much (just 21,377 - far less than the split ticket crowd). There were other votes in the Pres race (3rd part spoilers Stein, Oliver, West etc.), but it's more understandable that they could get people who often didn't vote where there was just a Dem or Rep choice.

What is "just not legit", mathematically, about these?

[HarryM]

225. Quite possible

For a simple man-in-the-middle attack. Especially if there was no end to end encryption.

[Patton French]

8. But she conceded

And the horror wheels are in motion.

[ancianita]

39. Yes, and it's up to The People to find the evidence of fraud.

[whopis01]

44. Elections are not decided because a candidate concedes or

refuses to concede. They are won by the vote count. Her conceding has no bearing if the vote count is shown to be incorrect.

[OMGWTF]

129. Concessions are not binding if there is fraud.

[Galraedia]

198. It doesn't matter as she would've conceeded on the basis that she had in fact lost and that the votes were legitimate

[Vinca]

9. That really is suspicious, but since she conceded so quickly I'm sure we're screwed.

They most likely stole it, but they're going to get away with it.

[MadameButterfly]

13. Does the consession prevent a recount?

If new information has come out that shouldn't matter.

[ancianita]

40. +1

We have until December 11 to get evidence of ballot fraud.

[Vinca]

107. I would hope not, but I'm not optimistic. It's all moved into "kumbaya" mode from what I can gather.

[standingtall]

147. No concession don't prevent a recount

Gore retracted his concession to Bush and the Florida recount was underway until the Supreme Court stopped it.

[Think. Again.]

34. Haven't there bern past elections..

...where a candidate's concession was rescinded?

[Blue_Roses]

237. Gore rescinded his against Bush

in 2000.

[Think. Again.]

240. I thought so...

I wonder why we are not persuing rigous verification of the first-count results, considering there are a bunch of reasons to be suspicious of the outcomes, and of the opponent in general.

It seems odd to me that we are just relinquishing any chance to check for any reasonably expectable problems.

Is there something more going on that the public is not aware of?

[Blue_Roses]

241. I'm sure all of this

is being discussed, debated, and pondered among those who would never tell us. I think people forget that they are not going to just come out and talk to us like we are talking here. I'm sure they know how upset and nervous we all are. But, they have to have a rock-solid plan for how to deal with it ( like exact proof), because they know how volatile Trump and his Maga crowd are. I honestly, and this is just my gut, think they are on top of this more than we know. But, like I said, we will never know how much until much later...

It's like a runaway train. You can't stop it in motion, because it could do more harm than seeing it run it's course. Sad, but often true. But, I believe in us, we the people. We screw up alot, but we eventually get it right, as history has shown.

[Kaleva]

10. I can't access the article at Daily Kos

[Maggiemayhem]

17. I can't either. I went directly to DK and could find nothing.

[MadameButterfly]

19. I couldn't access it either

even doing a google search and finding the article there. So I'm signing up, waiting for confirmation of my account. Hope that solves it. But I've never had trouble accessing Daily Kos articles before. Anyone know what is going on there? Can others access this articlel?

[dss]

127. This is odd

I read that piece on Daily Kos and sent the link to some family members. Now the link doesn't work and I can't find the article anywhere on Daily Kos.

[Babajida]

160. Yeah, getting a giant Access Denied (403) warning

[soldierant]

170. No one can - DK took it down.

You can read this one -if it hasn't been taken down.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2024/11/16/2286710/-I-want-to-know-why-a-diary-about-possible-bullet-ballot-fraud-was-taken-down

But they will never likely say publicly why they took it down. And if they blocked the author, which the use of the word "bojo" suggests, hthey will definiterly never say why that did that either.

I've not been bojo'd,but their apparent arbitrariness (and I'm sure the intention of is to protect the bojo'ed) is why PolitiZoom was started.

If you want more information,I recommend DuckDuckGo.

[questionseverything]

182. Brad blog interviewed the guy today on his radio show

And did an article

Brad says Georgia didn’t apply the patches to the machines as cisa directed

[Typewitch]

224. Is this the story you are looking for?

https://archive.is/YXLVg

[Kaleva]

239. Thanks! Apparently Daily Kos zapped the article

I'm unaware if an explanation was given for that action.

[GB_RN]

11. I Concur On The Recount.

However, I suspect that this will be like John Kerry in ‘04: He said that they’d make sure every vote was counted, but then did nothing about a recount in Ohio where there seemed to be some shenanigans going on.

[Mr. Evil]

86. I can't tell you

how many texts I received this election stating that we have to fight in one form, fashion or another. Then when it comes time to actually put up a fight (with good reason) they cower just as you reminded us. It infuriates and sickens me. What... are they getting threats behind closed doors or some other 'offer they can't refuse?'

[Tweedy]

145. Really?

Do you then believe that Speaker Emerita Pelosi signed up for her husband to be beaten with a hammer?

I know this election sucked. Doubling down on both-siderism will not help anything.

We lost because of lies and mis-information.

[Beck23]

63. They sent the votes to Tennessee in 2004

A Republican company in Tennessee did the final count for Ohio.

[CaptainTruth]

73. Yep, SmarTech, who was working for the Bush campaign...

...providing their IT services for the campaign, & hired by OH Secretary of State Ken Blackwell to provide IT backup services for the Ohio election servers (SmarTech's servers, the ones that took over tabulation of the Ohio vote after SmarTech crashed Ohio's servers, were the ones in Tennessee). Remember when Blackwell promised to deliver Ohio to Bush? Karl Rove was in on it too, probably the one who orchestrated it all.

Trump later appointed Blackwell to an "election integrity" committee. Gosh, I wonder why?

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

45. Concession is NOT legally binding...Reread what happened during the Bush v Gore. Al Gore conceded & then

"DECONCEDED" when the count was going in his favor. Go check it yourself. It's simply a gracious thing that we do when we "lose" a political run.

[osteopath6]

115. We are going to get this right

By practicing what we preach, accepting what our President, VP, CISA and election authorities have definitively told us: the election result was fair and legitimate.

He apparently won by over 2 million votes. The last defenders of democracy shouldn't be so eager to do away with a democratic result simply because the outcome isn't what we wanted or expected.

This will age well: Democratic voters will continue to show up and our representatives will make gains up and down the ballot! We're not even close to being finished.. our story just begins.

We're still highly competitive. This race was in the margins for an electoral victory

[Babajida]

163. That is the serious concern here

On one hand I want to believe there was widespread cheating more than I want to believe a majority of Americans actually support that [insert expletives] menace. But in truth that is much worse. If they managed to hack the vote this well, we will never have fair elections again. And that is horrifying.

[MadameButterfly]

14. Is there something we can do to make this happen

instead of sitting around hoping and opining?
What if all of DU contacted Kamala, Democratic Governors of swings states, Marc Elias, anyone who can actually do something about this?
Can we create an organized effort?

Even if there was no fraud in the end, don't we have the right to know? Republicans got all the recounts they wanted in 2020.

[MadameButterfly]

20. I need to get access to this article before I do anything so I know what I'm talking about

It should be attached to the new thread and I can't even open it. Can you?

[Loupe Garoue]

47. It says the info came from X

Stephen Spoonamore has been posting on Spoutable and X about this subject. He is credible.

[questionseverything]

183. Brad blog has a great article about all these concerns and interviews one election specialist

[johnnyfins]

81. Elias is saying there was no fraud

There were purges, and other supression, but the election was fair.

[Think. Again.]

36. I believe our best bet is to be as loud as possible...

....about these "bullet ballot" issues and all the others, and to spread that loudness as widely as possible

[tritsofme]

159. Why would contacting those people make them believe in baseless conspiracy theories like this?

They are well aware of this sort of nonsense floating around the internet. But they also understand it is just baseless conspiracy theories.

[wildflowergardener]

18. Access denied

Are others able to get in to read the article? I get access denied. It says you may need to log in, but I still get it after logging in. Will try searching the site to see if I can find it.

[MadameButterfly]

26. I don't want to sound too conspiratorial here

but isn't this irregular? Is it being blocked by somebody for a reason?

[MadameButterfly]

35. How can I get access to that

I'm trying to create an account with Kaily Kos to sign in but am not getting email confirmation. I wish they would just let us see the article. if they want to get the word out....

[Think. Again.]

38. Here is the OP about the "letter"...

https://democraticunderground.com/100219719662

But I think this Daily Kos article and Spoonermore statement are discussing the even worse problem of "bullet ballots".

[creeksneakers2]

151. Might be taken down for a good reason

Like it didn't turn out to be credible.

[2naSalit]

25. I wish they would do recounts.

[Abnredleg]

41. NC has paper ballots

So there is a paper trail.

[MrWowWow]

42. Try this Link

https://tinfoilmatt.substack.com/p/security-expert-says-vote-tabulators-hacked

[Native]

50. I found the Duty to Warn letter on Substack, and I copied it in full in a subsequent post here

There were links to the letter on Reddit, Daily Kos, and more than one Substack link - all subsequently deleted, so I figured I'd copy and paste it while it's still in cyberspace.

[Blue Owl]

43. Is Marc Alias looking into this?

[Native]

46. Here it is on Substack:

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2024, 11:26 AM - Edit history (1)

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941
I'm pasting it here because it looks like it was posted on several sites and subsequently deleted.

Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024
(Revised 430PM)

Stephen Spoonamore
Nov 15, 2024
November 15, 2024

Honorable VP Kamala Harris

The White House

Office of the Vice President

1600 Pennsylvania Ave

Washington DC 20500

Dear Madam Vice President.

This is my second Duty to Warn Letter regarding hacking of the 2024 Presidential Election. The first letter on November 7 was directed to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Officials. Both warnings are made per DNI Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies to warn of suspicions of hacking.

Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.

I am a lifelong Republican who has long placed service and participatory democracy over party. In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after-action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration.

You should reverse your concession, call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states.

In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.

I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts.

https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf

This letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but its cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election. They imply there is a chance a hand-recount will show you won more votes. I am stating a hand recount will most likely show you did win. Both letters call on you to act.

In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack, starting with unusual elements within the results. I will then outline two processes which could have been followed to insert these false results into the system. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating.

Unusual elements within the results.

The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.

Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.

This attack is not technically difficult. It is modest in scale. It would require:

Modest and common computer programming skills.

Access to 10-100 tabulators or to the handful of facilities programming them in advance.

A credible database of voter IDs of non-voters around which to create false ballots.

Perhaps as few as 1, but more likely 3-5 human program managers.

Access to eBollBook Data during the election to determine who had not voted.

(Possibly) Human access to some tabulators during counting.

If I was asked to lead this hack, I would expect to have a core team of 6-10 people, and operating costs under $10M with a timeline of 3-12 months.

The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.

There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th

Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:

AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.

NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.

It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.

For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.

ID

[Think. Again.]

54. Thank you!

Here is the other letter sent to Harris about election cybersecurity threats sent by cybersecurity experts..

(I removed the citations and footnotes for clarity, but all verification of claims can be found in the original document here: https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf)


The Honorable Kamala Harris
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Vice President Harris,

We write to alert you to serious election security breaches that have
threatened the security and integrity of the 2024 elections, and to identify ways to
ensure that the will of the voters is reflected and that voters should have confidence
in the result. The most effective manner of doing so is through targeted recounts
requested by the candidate. In the light of the breaches we ask that you formally
request hand recounts in at least the states of Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, and
Pennsylvania. We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those
states were actually compromised as a result of the security breaches, and we are
not suggesting that they were. But binding risk-limiting audits (RLAs) or hand
recounts should be routine for all elections, especially when the stakes are high and
the results are close. We believe that, under the current circumstances when
massive software breaches are known and documented, recounts are necessary and
appropriate to remove all potential doubt and to set an example for security best
practices in all elections.

In 2022, records, video camera footage, and deposition testimony produced
in a civil case in Georgia disclosed that its voting system, used statewide, had
been breached over multiple days by operatives hired by attorneys for Donald
Trump. The evidence showed that the operatives made copies of the software
that runs all of the equipment in Georgia, and certain other states, and shared it
with other Trump allies and operatives.

Subsequent court filings and public records requests revealed that the
breaches in Georgia were part of a larger effort to take copies of voting system
software from systems in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Arizona, and
to share the software in the operatives’ network. According to testimony and
declarations by some of the technicians who have obtained copies of the
software, they have had access for more than three years to the software for the
central servers, tabulators, and highly restricted election databases of both Election Systems & Software (ES&S), and Dominion Voting Systems, the two largest
voting system vendors, constituting the most severe election security breach
publicly known.

Combined, their equipment counts nearly 70% of all votes nationwide.
Ninety-six percent of Arizona voters use Dominion and ES&S equipment; 100% of
Georgia voters vote on Dominion machines; 98% of Nevada votes on Dominion
voting machines and the remainder uses ES&S; 69% of Michigan voters’ ballots
are counted on Dominion or ES&S equipment; 89% of Pennsylvania voters ballots are counted on Dominion or ES&S equipment; ES&S counts 92% of North
Carolina ballots; and either ES&S or Dominion counts 97% of Wisconsin votes.

Possessing copies of the voting system software enables bad actors to install
it on electronic devices and to create their own working replicas of the voting
systems, probe them, and develop exploits. Skilled adversaries can decompile the
software to get a version of the source code, study it for vulnerabilities, and could
even develop malware designed to be installed with minimal physical access to the voting equipment by unskilled accomplices to manipulate the vote counts. Attacks could also be launched by compromising the vendors responsible for programming systems before elections, enabling large scale distribution of malware.

In December 2022 and again in 2023, many of us, concerned by the
security risks posed by these breaches, wrote to the Attorney General, FBI
Director, and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director outlining the security concerns and urging an investigation. Though there have
been limited, localized investigations,14 there is no evidence of a federal
investigation to determine what was done with the misappropriated voting
software.

Other relevant parties have pointed to the serious risks posed by the
misappropriation of the voting software. Before it was known that partisan
operatives had taken the software, Dominion Voting Systems objected vehemently to providing its software to the same partisan actors who ultimately got copies through voting system breaches, stating that to give its software to biased actors would cause “irreparable damage” to the “election security interests of the
country.”

Before the breaches in Georgia had been confirmed, the Georgia Secretary
of State’s chief information officer testified that having copies of the software
would provide a “road map” to the ways the system could be accessed. The
Georgia Attorney General opposed providing copies of the software to lawyers for the Trump campaign in a late 2020 election challenge, arguing that images of the voting system software would provide “the keys to the software kingdom.”

Notably, U.S. elections are potentially resilient because there are paper
ballots recording the voters’ intent in most states, meaning that even if the voting
system is at risk, the will of the voters can be determined reliably by recounting the
paper ballots by hand (although we are aware that not all paper ballots are verified
by the voter, and not all states take adequate care to protect the ballot chain of
custody.)

Audits will be conducted in some of the most scrutinized states, but in key
states they will not be conducted in a timely way that could reveal any concerns
with the vote count. In addition, in most states the audits are insufficiently rigorous
to ensure any potential errors in tabulation will be caught and corrected, and they
cannot be considered a safeguard against the security breaches that have occurred.
Specifically, Georgia’s audits are non-binding, and Michigan, Nevada and
Wisconsin laws do not provide that the audit be conducted before certification.
Therefore, it would be impossible to know for these critical states if the audits
uncovered errors or miscalculations before the state deadlines to seek recounts.

Among swing states, only Arizona’s audit laws ensure that, if enough
discrepancies are identified, the audit hand count will be expanded to correct a
potentially incorrect result. In other words, aside from Arizona, in contested states,
there is no legal mechanism for the audit to correct the outcome, no matter how
much error the audit uncovers. Given these facts, the only guarantee for rigorous,
effective audits of the vote in the swing states will be through candidate-requested
statewide hand recounts.
(emphasis mine)

The facts around the voting system breaches are not disputed; it is well-
documented that there were severe, multiple voting security breaches before the 2024 election. To ensure that voters can have confidence that the breaches in
security did not taint the results of the 2024 election, we recommend pursuing hand
recounts in, at minimum, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as they
will provide insufficient safeguards against threats posed by the breaches of the
election software and will not provide important information in a timely way.

Thank you for your time and consideration of this important matter.

Sincerely,

Duncan Buell Ph.D.
Chair Emeritus — NCR Chair in Computer Science and Engineering
Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering
University of South Carolina*
David Jefferson Ph.D.
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory* (retired)
Election Integrity Foundation*
Susan Greenhalgh
Senior Advisor for Election Security
Free Speech For People
Chris Klaus
Founder
Internet Security System*
William John Malik
Malik Consulting, LLC*
Peter G. Neumann Ph.D.
Chief Scientist,
SRI International Computer Science Lab*
John E. Savage
An Wang Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
Brown University*
*Affiliations are listed for identification purposes only and do not imply
institutional endorsement.

[Native]

98. I also completely forgot that Musk's "lottery" was only available to swing state, registered voters.

That whole endeavor smelled suspicious as hell from the very beginning. It also made no sense at all from a marketing standpoint. I mean what did they hope to gain from that that they couldn't get from any number of other standard efforts, like ads. And to only allow registered voters to participate? And only those from swing states? How can you seriously say your purpose for this sweepstakes/ petition signing was to get more people to register to vote or become engaged? I mean they started this thing coincident with or after the deadline registration for the swing states. And the only information they required of the participants were names and street addresses? Not even a phone number? Not even an email address? Again, this made absolutely no sense.

[Think. Again.]

113. Yes, hopefully attorneys are looking into all that too.

[NJCher]

140. excellent point

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:59 PM - Edit history (1)

there are all kinds of rules and laws about sweepstakes and "lotteries." I recall this because McDonald's used to run them frequently when I was a marketing manager there. They boosted customer counts (read "sales" ) dramatically. However, as marketing management, we had to work closely with the lawyers to make sure we didn't get in trouble with the way we did the contest. I recall coming out of those meetings with my head spinning because there were so many things to think about and there were so many things could go wrong (innocently).

Then I had to make sure all this was observed in the advertising copy.

Surely many of you remember these promotions. Everytime you visited, you got a token, which you used to play the game. The prizes were large, monetarily. Definitely worth playing.

There is no doubt in my mind that Musk did things in opposition to the law. For one thing, you can't limit who can play. He did this. Now, maybe he found a way to restrict this state-wide, but somehow I doubt it.

on edit: Spoonamore's Duty letter spells out why they only wanted the street address:

He did not want to know people’s socials or send them texts. To sign up you had to provide your street address. That was all they cared about. Once they had the people’s names, and street address this would allow for building a pool of ghost voters who could logically be marked for fake ballots, structured in a manner which matched ePollBook and precinct data. You, as a member of law enforcement, understand criminals need certain pre-conditions to act. A database of pledged supporters with street addresses is required for this hack.

There will probably end up being a mass of lawbreaking, not just with this but with other areas, such as the NC votes. As our system has shown us, though, it is not up to a crime wave like trump.

Which is problematic: unless these questions are laid to rest, there is going to be a resistance to the legitimacy of government by a huge segment of the population.

[Native]

120. I updatedmy post. I inadvertently included the wrong link.

Correct link:
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

[Think. Again.]

124. Thanks again!

[questionseverything]

181. Buell was a guest on brad cast and the brad blog has an excellent article today about his concerns

[Think. Again.]

184. May I ask you for a link? Or more info on the "Brad Cast" so I can find a link?

[questionseverything]

186. Google bradblog , I can't post a link on my phone but

Brad has both a blog and a radio show

Brad saying Georgia didn’t apply the patch cisa wanted is huge news to me…. Brad checks and double checks his info so I think cisa should be confronted about why they didn’t demand the patch and why is Georgia acting like the breaches of coffee county were fixed when evidently they weren’t

[Think. Again.]

188. Thanks! I'll search now...

[Think. Again.]

192. Here it is! Thanks!

Computer Security Experts Ask Harris to Seek Hand-Counts Due to Voting System Breaches: 'BradCast' 11/14/2024

https://bradblog.com/?p=15232

[questionseverything]

194. No, thank you for everything you are doing, trying to raise awareness

We the people have the right, in fact the responsibility to oversee our elections, none of us can oversee the inner workings of a computer so hand counting of paper ballots is the only way to preserve our democracy

[Think. Again.]

196. Yes, WE are ultimately responsible for our Democracy (no matter what our elected officials say about that).

[ConcernedCitizen1776]

252. Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ----

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 -

The Steven Spoonamore interview starts at approx. 02:16:30 to 02:28:45. [link:https://www.youtube.com/live/5s4iCxtf_Js

https://www.youtube.com/@thomhartmann/videos - https://www.thomhartmann.com/

Stephen Spoonamore - Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024 - Nov 15, 2024 - https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
November 15, 2024
Honorable VP Kamala Harris
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington DC 20500
Dear Madam Vice President.
This is my second Duty to Warn Letter regarding hacking of the 2024 Presidential Election. The first letter on November 7 was directed to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Officials. Both warnings are made per DNI Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies to warn of suspicions of hacking.
Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
I am a lifelong Republican who has long placed service and participatory democracy over party. In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after-action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration.
You should reverse your concession, call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states.
In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.
I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts.
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
This letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but its cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election. They imply there is a chance a hand-recount will show you won more votes. I am stating a hand recount will most likely show you did win. Both letters call on you to act.
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack, starting with unusual elements within the results. I will then outline two processes which could have been followed to insert these false results into the system. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating.
Unusual elements within the results.
The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.
Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.
This attack is not technically difficult. It is modest in scale. It would require:
Modest and common computer programming skills.
Access to 10-100 tabulators or to the handful of facilities programming them in advance.
A credible database of voter IDs of non-voters around which to create false ballots.
Perhaps as few as 1, but more likely 3-5 human program managers.
Access to eBollBook Data during the election to determine who had not voted.
(Possibly) Human access to some tabulators during counting.
If I was asked to lead this hack, I would expect to have a core team of 6-10 people, and operating costs under $10M with a timeline of 3-12 months.
The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.
There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th
Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:
AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.
NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.
It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.
For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.
ID

[MadameButterfly]

71. What form should these protests take?

Do we start a letter wriitng campaign to Harris, Marc Elias, Democratic governors in swing states, anyone else who has influence?
What is the best way to contact them?
I know Harris must decide, but she needs to be persuaded and needs to know this is important to her voters. There will be lot of pressure for her not to act.
With a clear plan I'll make another OP to reach more DUers.

[MadameButterfly]

67. Thanks you!!!!

[Native]

121. I updated my post. I inadvertently included the wrong link to the duty to warn letter.

Here's the correct link: https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

[MrWowWow]

70. These Election Security Experts Need to Endorse the Hand Recount

Last edited Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:50 AM - Edit history (8)

Experts in the field of black box voting and election security often come from a background in cybersecurity, computer science, or electoral processes. Here are a few notable figures and organizations frequently recognized for their work related to voting tabulators and election integrity:
_______________________________
1. Dr. J. Alex Halderman
A computer science professor at the University of Michigan, Dr. Halderman has extensively studied the vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines and tabulators. He has testified before Congress on election security issues and conducted public demonstrations of potential flaws in voting systems.
.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Alex_Halderman
.
[phone]
[e-mail]
_____________________________
2. Harri Hursti
A Finnish computer programmer and election security expert known for the "Hursti Hack," a demonstration that exposed vulnerabilities in electronic voting machines. He is featured in the documentary "Hacking Democracy."
.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harri_Hursti

Election Integrity Foundation
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hhursti
https://www.election-integrity.org
https://www.votingvillage.org
[e-mail]

[e-mail]
PO Box 1754
New York, NY 10017-4019

._____________________________
3. Dr. Douglas W. Jones
A computer scientist and associate professor at the University of Iowa who has published extensively on voting technology and security issues, including serving as an advisor to various governmental and non-governmental organizations on electronic voting security.
.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_W._Jones
.
Email:
[e-mail]
Snail Mail:
Douglas W. Jones
201H MacLean Hall
University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA
52242-1419         
.
Phone:
[phone] -- leave a message
.
[phone] -- department secretary
.

_____________________________
4. Verified Voting Foundation - Founded by computer scientists and election experts, this organization advocates for accuracy, transparency, and verifiability of elections. Their advisory board includes numerous subject matter experts on voting tabulators and election integrity.
._____________________________
5. Dr. Barbara Simons
An expert in computer science, former IBM researcher, and co-author of "Broken Ballots: Will Your Vote Count?" She has served on election security panels and has been vocal about the security of electronic voting systems.
.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Simons
.
[e-mail]
_____________________________
6. Dr. David Jefferson
A computer scientist and researcher who has worked with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and has been involved in numerous studies about voting machine security.
.
https://llnl.academia.edu/DavidJefferson
.
[e-mail]
[phone]
_______________________________
Contact These Experts. Get them to endorse a hand recount. Have them on Thom Hartmann's show.


_______________________________
______________________________
_______________________________
These experts have played key roles in evaluating, critiquing, and suggesting reforms to electronic voting systems in the interest of public accountability and security​​​​​​.
_______________________________
Feel Like sending a msg to VP Harris?

VP Harris at the Whitehouse:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident

[Helicoptercatmom]

97. Thank you

Thank you for posting. When I tried the link, my access was denied.

[Native]

123. I accidentally pasted the wrong link. Here's the correct one

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

[oldsoldierfadingfast]

209. Thank you, Native...

I read this report last week and was looking for it. It made sense to even my tech-impaired brain. Not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it does seem that 'something is afoot'. If found and proven to be true, may it be shouted down from the highest mountains and upward from the lowest valleys .
May it be reported in terms that we all can understand.
While there is breath, there is hope.

[soldierant]

245. It was also saved on archive.is (not by me)

Here's that link, which should be forever:

https://archive.is/z6Fz7

[masmdu]

53. Also can't access, but here is some other info

By one of the authors of the duty to warn letter (Spoonamore)

https://spoutible.com/thread/37794013

?si=bMHufpwUxeKAa6BA

[masmdu]

55. Also, very strange that this is not available on

Archive.is
Usually, any article wether subscription or login required is available. As a matter of fact, I have never not been able to access an article through archive.is until now...

[onenote]

56. How can there be 350,000 "bullet ballots" in North Carolina? Only 88,511 fewer votes for Gov. than Pres.

The total number of votes cast in the Presidential race in North Carolina stands at 5,678,420
The total number of votes cast in the Governor's race in North Carolina stands at 5,589,909

That's a difference of only 88,511, or 1.5%.

How can there have been 350,000 votes cast only in the presidential contest but only 88,511 fewer votes for governor?

And what is the source for the asserted number of "bullet ballots"? I don't see anything on the official North Carolina election results page that would give that kind of information.

What am I missing?

[John1956PA]

94. That is my thought as well. n/t

[dweller]

104. I keep looking at NCSBE

And it’s still unofficial results posted



✌🏻

[Abnredleg]

133. Canvassing in NC ends Friday, November 15th

But several counties didn’t meet the deadline and will certify next week. Then the State will certify and the numbers become official.

https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2024/11/15/several-counties-certify-election-early-next-week

[Sympthsical]

117. Bold of you to ask for evidence

(I came wondering the same thing. Where are these numbers being pulled from? Because what we have access to from official sources does not align with the article's claims)

[BComplex]

57. So how many of us have called the White House? Marc Elias? The governor of NC? The governors of the swing states?

THAT, and that alone, is what will get this moving! Democrats CANNOT be passive about this!!!! Everyone in their right mind KNEW that trump DID NOT WIN this election?

The oligarchs have used the media to put out the blame FIRST on Black men! Then on Latino men! Then on young men with dating/masculinity issues, THEN, of all the fucking things, THAT OVER 10,000,000 WOMEN who previously voted for Biden just stayed home.

Were there maybe 20,000 Black, Latino, and young men who voted for trump? No doubt. Just the law of averages would say that some of each group would be crazy enough to do that. And was there a woman or two who stayed home? Probably, yes. But everyone....EVERYONE....said that their precincts were absolutely packed on so many occasions. Poll workers saying they'd never seen anything like this. These were NOT trump voters in the majority!!!! THEY WERE NOT.

Do I have proof of this? Only because I, like many on DU and elsewhere, have more than two brain cells to rub together. Anyone who has fallen for the "blame the victim" shit about Black men, Latino men, young men, and 10 million women need to re-think their ability to stop being so gullible.

Are we even going to fight for what is right?

[Beck23]

59. I agree

I am an IT professional, and I have a lot of respect for Spoonamore. He is an expert in cyber security. He testified in court in Florida several years ago saying that a Republican campaign asked him to write some vote flipping software for the voting machines.

In a movie, Groucho Marx's wife catches him in bed with another woman. He denies that he is in bed with another woman and says: "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" - meaning he was indeed cheating and lying about it. I tend to believe my own eyes and those of cyber security experts.

[Native]

100. Wow. Can you find any documentation of that online?

[DiamondShark]

227. Stephen Spoonamore is a grifter.

He bought some old 1980s-2006 era voting machines on ebay that did not come standard with a paper trail. His company "hacked" them, then published the results. One thing he forgot to mention in all of his videos, you have to unlock the cabinet or remove security screws, access a hidden serial or USB port, then run commands and uses encryption keys that are reverse engineered from the prior "hacking" of the machines.

When I worked in the county election department in 2016, we had a paper trail for all voting machines and tabulators. We replaced the voting machines prior to 2018 elections, and prior to 2020 we went full paper ballot.

From what I've seen online 98% of the votes were on paper ballots. Most of the rejected ballot, under count and over counts, are still flagged for human review. The process we used in 2016 is the same used today, but they are more thorough. I called my friend last night, she has since retired from the election department, but she said nothing major has changed in our county since I worked with her.

[Native]

231. Interesting.

[DiamondShark]

233. When you spend as much time as I have...

prepping the voting machines, setting up the check-in kiosk, or check-in laptops. Setting up and taking down each site for early voting, then for election day, you tend to take it with a grain of salt.

I don't search out these posts, but they are creeping up to the greatest page. At the time it was a job, and we had a process to keep the equipment secure. Now it's just a memory, and for some reason there is a lot of misinformation in these threads.

[LaMouffette]

66. Mango Mussolini filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results of the 2020 election. Why doesn't Kamala do the same???

As others have said, if the suspicions of a rigged election are disproven, we're simply in the same world-devastating pickle we were in before. But if the rigged election is proven, the world is saved for humanity.

C'mon, Kamala! When we fight, we win, remember??????

[DiamondShark]

228. Because Harris isn't a grifter.

Why doesn't Kamala do the same?

[defacto7]

69. If a recount shows there was fraud

and still it changed nothing, at least we'd have evidence, better understanding of how to conduct future elections and a powerful message to voters.

Do the recount.

[iluvtennis]

72. Wasn't aware of the bullet ballots - they don't make sense. I would fully support a hand count. n/t

[underpants]

74. As reluctant as I am to conspiracies, something doesn't add up especially after reading this

Several people here are vouching for the author’s credibility which is good.

So we have about 8M ballots that seemed to have voted for everything BUT POTUS. At least, there are 8 million votes less than Biden got. I don’t know if total votes are comparable. Trump got the same amount as 2020. Now these “bullet ballots” in specific states that ONLY voted for POTUS and all were for Trump? Given normal voting patterns aside, the math just simply doesn’t add up.

[AllyCat]

75. Please fix your source or delete this post.

We all wanted something different last week. But this is not accurate information and stokes fear, anger, and false hope.

[Native]

102. see post #46

[asm128]

131. Maybe you should delete your post

As the information is definitely out there, and I'm that thread, if you bothered to read it.

[AllyCat]

135. Actually, I did read it. The link was there with where the poster

Found it. But the link didn’t work and I’m a member at DKos so I searched there myself. Nada. Then I searched the ‘net. Nada.

If it’s edited now with the correct information, great. But I’m leaving my post so people can see YOUR response.

Have a nice day.

[Kali999]

137. ban hammer

They likely banned it as conspiracy. I don't believe it is, but that's how they roll.

[DiamondShark]

229. The social media influencers are grifting.

They succeeded in 2020 and are doing it again.

[Beck23]

76. The technical report came out a few days ago

The technical report is written in IT lingo. I downloaded it to my computer a few days ago. That is different from the letter of warning. I am an IT person so I can understand the technical document.

[masmdu]

83. Could you please share the technical report?

Thanks

[Bernardo de La Paz]

108. There are others here who can understand some or all of that "IT lingo". Any reason you aren't sharing the link?

You posted just to tell us you read the report? Any conclusions? Summary? Opinion?

[DiamondShark]

230. I will summarize it...

for the low low price of $59.99. All donations go to the recount effort, but only if you meet the threshold of all donations +$50. Jill Stein didn't get get enough support in 2016, My Pillow Guy didn't get enough support in 2020. But with your help, we can recount in 2024.

Hurry now time is running out.


One of these, and a disclaimer that what I typed is a parody and a reminder. DO NOT DONATE to the grifters.

[SheltieLover]

78. K&R

[thinkingagain]

80. Start with the states that he was screaming fraud

When he wasn’t ahead at first because that makes me think that’s where something was happening first.

[Wiz Imp]

82. This certainly seems suspicious but...

I've seen several stories on this but none of them mention how many "bullet ballots" there have been in previous elections. 600000 In the swing states sounds like a lot, but maybe it's a typical level. We don't know if these numbers are truly suspiciously high until they are compared to past elections. If they are in line with historical numbers then this is probably a dead end. However, if the 2024 numbers are indeed significantly higher than in the past, then that definitely raises many red flags. Why is nobody doing (or reporting on) this comparison?

[Abnredleg]

116. Trump was targeting low propensity voters

ie. Young males who are not engaged in politics. It’s not surprising that you will get lots of bullet ballots. - it happens every election, particularly since most states did away with straight party voting.

[johnnyfins]

84. Keep in mind that this fraud, if true,

Most likely didn't all happen on 11/5. Remember his comment about his little "secret". He said that while early voting was taking place. He actually said "it seems to be working quite well".

[The Madcap]

87. If this were a primary

election, I wouldn't be alarmed by this as much. Many primary elections, depending on voter party, have minimal options. In my precinct, we had a presidential choice and nothing else.

But this was a general election. Normally, there are more selections, so omitting everything is a bit more suspicious. In my precinct (not a swing state), we didn't have much to vote on this year. It was one representative, president, and a bunch of repub judges running unopposed (I never vote for them, though that does no good). I could see a few votes coming in just for pres, but not in that kind of number. It would be really interesting to see what else was being voted for in those questionable precincts.

[yourout]

89. You would have to be really stupid to stack 300,000 votes for only Trump and not expected to..

Draw attention.
If you're going to go through that much work you would stack ballots for other races as well to not draw attention.

[Native]

110. There are posts on Reddit where people are looking at New York and finding a lot of the same thing

as news of this spreads, we will likely see more info.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

90. Now I'm suspicious and want to know more. . . . . nt

[CaptainTruth]

91. This isn't about "conspiracy"!

God I'm so tired of hearing that word.

It's about ELECTION INTEGRITY!

No matter what happens in any election we should have a system of statistical sampling in place that allows us to have a high degree of confidence in the accuracy of the result. And when I say "degree of confidence" I'm not talking about our feelings I'm talking about a statical degree of confidence or confidence level, mathematically calculated according to the sampling method.

If you understand statistics or quality control programs in manufacturing (where a small percentage of products are sampled & tested to achieve a high statical level of confidence in the quality of all the products) you understand this concept.

None of it is "conspiracy," it's science, it's math. It's done to ensure the quality of darn near every product you buy from your car to your refrigerator to your toaster.

Call me crazy if you want, but I believe American elections should have at least as much quality control as a toaster.

So yes, hand recount ballots in several selected precincts/counties/whatever in EVERY election regardless of anyone's theories, as quality control. There are even international QC standards like ISO 8402, ISO 9000, & ISO 9001 that might be helpful. They're use to ensure the quality of your toaster... but not our elections. It drives me nuts.

[Botany]

92. Republicans haven't won an honest Presidential Election or been the legacy of a dishonest one since Ike.

Nixon in 68 told both the North and South Vietnamese not to sign the peace deal Johnson had
gotten done because as President he would get a better one only to have the war drag on for
another 4.25 years and then went ahead with the exact same deal in 1973.

Ford Decent guy but was never elected.

Reagan: Iran Contra. The Ayatollah keeps the hostages until after the election and then he
would get lots of American weapons.

HW a legacy of Iran Contra although he did help in the skullduggery with the Iranian hostages
in 1980.

w bush: Purging 90,000 blacks from voting in Florida and bush v Gore where the SCOTUS
ruled it was illegal to count the ballots.

Trump 2016: It was Russia

Trump 2024: It was Russia* and Musk.

* Speaking with Russian state media on Monday, Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev noted that while the U.S. election may be over, Trump is still beholden to “certain forces.”

“To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations,” Patrushev told the business daily Kommersant in response to a question about whether the outcome of the presidential election would bode well for Russia. “As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”

That statement was elevated by Tass, the Russian news agency.

In a curious follow-up about Trump’s susceptibility to being pressured and influenced, Patrushev made another eyebrow-raising comment: Rather than answer the question directly, the Putin aide made a point to bring up assassination attempts against the president-elect.

https://newrepublic.com/post/188284/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-election-obligations

“They” cheat end of story.

[Tribetime]

95. Makes more sense to me than him bringing in new voters

[CanonRay]

99. Read this last night, and it certainly merits further consideration

There are just too many weird things about this election.

[karin_sj]

101. "Access Denied" on all links about Soonamore on Daily Kos

So, I did a search on "Spoonamore" on Daily Kos and came upon this from October 5, 2008.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/10/5/620563/-

"Spoonamore says that the GOP wanted e-voting to steal elections but now foreign governments will be hacking and the winner will be determined by the best hackers. He says that if the GOP wins the hacking competition, McCain will win 51.2 percent with three electoral votes over Obama, and it will be a stolen election.

Spoon also makes a crucial point about the people who have been implicated in much of the election theft: “They are religious extremists.” He names those who know about stolen elections, and he insists that the only way to protect this election is with paper ballots, hand-counted. "

So disheartening that we have made no progress in rooting out election fraud and voter suppression, but the republicans keep getting better, with the help of foreign hackers.

[karin_sj]

103. Trying to correct the typo on my post...

But I keep getting "Access Denied." Weird! Maybe the Internet is a bit glitchy today?

[Native]

112. see my post, #46. i copied the letter.

[DiamondShark]

234. This might be of help.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/some-good-news-donald-trump-we-already-use-paper-ballots

Please be careful of following tiktok grifters.

[Mr.Bee]

105. Bullet Ballots?

Ballot Stuffing?

[osteopath6]

111. Not rigged

Democratic voters should continue to vote with the assurance their votes and counted and secure.

[Native]

114. per NBC, experts found 3 dozen US voting sysyems connected to the Internet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

[dweller]

118. Pisswig and Mikey's

little secret ?

😐



✌🏻

[Mike 03]

134. Article from Jan 2020, but still potentially relevant

The folks who are questioning the results have constantly been assured that none of the voting machines are connected to the internet. According to this article from 2020, it refutes that. It would be important to know if there are still exceptions, and for which states.

[Native]

136. & this other oldie but goodie - Connell being suicided before testifying about voter fraud and also mentions Spoonamore

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/

I remember this like it was yesterday.

[LiberalFighter]

119. That is auspicious.

No down ballot votes? Should review 2020 results with 2024. And should review all the way down to precinct level.

Swing states and any close results in other states should be.

[Doodley]

125. This looks like credible evidence that the election was hacked. If somebody told you before the election that Trump

would make a sweep in all the swing states, and there were two options: 1/ Trump won fair and square, or 2/ Trump won because the election was hacked. What would you think most likely? If true, these discrepancies in the bullet ballots show manipulation. This needs to be of the highest priority by the Biden administration.

[Native]

126. a reply to a post on Bluesky says Spoonamore will be on the Thom Hartmann Show this Monday

Could be BS, but it looks like he has an account on Spoutable and just searching his last name on Bluesky gives a lot of info. Looks like people have verified his cred too.

[judy]

130. This is not far fetched...

I know that the Harris/Walz campaign is reluctant to "sound just like Trump". But it is a well known fact that a lot of what Trump says is projection. I remember how he described the election would be rigged, and it is not a crazy thought that this is how he planned on rigging it himself, with Elon's help. And I remember him saying "I don't need your votes. I have all the votes I need".
So while a lot of journalists and pundits don't want to hear about a possible cheat by the Trump crew, I don't think it's such an outlandish thing to say, and I command Scuba Steve for posting the link. I hope something comes out of this.

[Progressive dog]

132. Computer experts?

Unless we have much more than speculation by computer experts, we should stop rushing down dead ends.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

138. Programmable electronics can be programmed. But,

Every time anyone suggests "hacking" of the count can happen in some places, the most absolutely ridiculous excuse for not investigating is given: "We don't want to act like them."

Republicans scream voter fraud to deflect attention away from election fraud.

[Native]

141. Musk just warned us on Twitter that there will be consequences for those who pushed foreign interference hoaxes

There will be consequences for those who pushed foreign interference hoaxes.

The Hammer of Justice is coming.

Link to tweet

[dweller]

146. Sure Leon

Merrick will be right on that





✌🏻

[Wednesdays]

199. It won't be Merrick

It will be Matt Gaetz.

[Wanderlust988]

143. My Dad voted for Harris and no one else on the ballot. It's not uncommon.

He rarely votes so he just wanted to vote for Harris. He didn't care about the others. I think this is common for low propensity voters.

[Native]

150. You are right, it's not uncommon. But this election was uncommonly higher than all past elections.

That's what they are getting at.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

[Babajida]

169. And, if not mistaken, uncommonly higher specifically in the swing states

From the link you posted:

The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.

Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.

[onenote]

179. The actual numbers don't support the the "bullet ballot" claim.

See post #56.

Moreover, it makes no sense. If the republicans somehow manufactured 350,000 ballots in North Carolina why would they only have a presidential vote. Why not show a vote for the repub candidate in any of the statewide races like governor, lt. Governor, etc.

And if there were 600,000 bullet ballots in the 7 swing states, why 350,000 in North Carolina alone? Why just a fraction of that number in the other swing states. And why wouldn't these manufactured ballots include votes for the repub candidates in those states -- did the Repubs not want to flip the Senate races in Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Wisconsin?

This sounds like bullshit.

[Doodley]

157. Do you have evidence that it's not uncommon? The author of the letter states that it is usually

less that 1%

[Native]

173. the letter discussed this

[BootinUp]

148. Maybe we should pay these experts big money

To run a fake investigation!

[returnee]

149. Keep this at the top. nt

[snot]

152. I'm all in favor of audits.

In fact, I'm all in favor of getting rid of computers in the the voting process.

[pinkstarburst]

153. Why are we not doing a recount? What is there to lose?

At this point we are pretty much f'ed. Is there a reason we cannot ask for a recount?

[Abnredleg]

161. There are statutory requirements for recounts

Which the campaign doesn’t meet. Or you can get a judge to order one. That requires probable cause, and this letter doesn’t rise to that level. The numbers for NC, for example, are incorrect.

[questionseverything]

218. Any candidate can ask for a recount, but they have to pay if the difference is above a certain percentage

It differs state to state

Edit….I will correct myself here it’s in 4 out of 7 the candidate can request or in pa a citizen can

[creeksneakers2]

154. I'm very skeptical here

I remember the name Spoonamore from election fraud theories from Ohio in 2004. I didn't buy into those and looks like this Spoonamore guy has made other claims. I really don't get where these "bullet ballot" statistics come from. Who counted these? Who would and why? And I can see how that could be learned from paper ballots but not voting machines. And he claims to have these statistics for 50 states.

I don't see the harm in asking for a hand recount in a couple of precincts if there are suspicious results but I don't want to see some kook story go viral until there is better evidence. I'm very proud of the fact that my side does not push falsehoods like the right does.

[Native]

176. he testified in that case. considered an expert. this is all over Reddit and

other forums. no one is disputing his qualifications. and what he is alleging can be easily proved or disproved.

could be nothing, could be everything.

[creeksneakers2]

264. I debunked it here:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/20/2287695/-Election-fraud-hoax-by-the-left?_=2024-11-20T19:59:39.000-08:00

[MagickMuffin]

156. I'm wondering if someone threatened the Harris Walz families

Perhaps that is why they are willing to forego any recounts.


I was felt this way when Al Gore had his concession speech after the supreme court decision to select George Bush the next president. Al looked extremely pale and kinda spooked, imho.


I don’t put anything past these republican terrorist, insurrectionist, traitors to America. When the PTB decide who will favor their corporations agendas then that is part of the Democracy Illusion.

Our elections can definitely be manipulated by the people with the most power, money and influence.

[tritsofme]

162. Good lord, Harris and Waltz aren't shucking ridiculous conspiracy theories...so you concoct another ridiculous

conspiracy theory to explain it.

[MagickMuffin]

204. Nor am I, I stated it could be a possibility not that it happened

I was expressing a thought I had, so perhaps you should take a chill pill.

And if the Harris Walz ticket won’t say a word about it. No they would not. And one last thought about my thought process. I have heard how the other side talks. They talk like gangsters and mobsters. So, you shouldn’t fault anyone for expressing their thoughts here.

And I don’t appreciate expressing my thoughts and being attacked for them!

Perhaps quit hanging your head so much it can be damaging!

[tritsofme]

214. There's a possibility that little green men from Mars used a space laser to change the votes.

About as plausible as these theories.

[Babajida]

168. Al Gore spoke eloquently on why he stopped pursuing the recount

He said that after the Supreme Court made their ruling that was the final place any legal challenge could go. That to push it further would be counter to the constitution. Given the Supreme Court today though...

[MagickMuffin]

205. Well Al Gore had no choice in the matter after the 5 to 4 decision

His hands were tied. And again if his family were threatened they would never expose them.

[Babajida]

165. Can you post the salient points of that article here?

A lot of people can't access it. I presume it has a link to Stephen Spoonamore's most recent letter (https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941) but your subject line mentions multiple experts/letters. Can you post any links from the article? Maybe a summary?

[Native]

172. see post #54. it's there.

or this link
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf

[WriteFight]

251. Duty to warn

https://open.substack.com/pub/kmac/p/rigged-cyber-security-experts-in?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=mlf2

[colorado_ufo]

167. I completely believed that Harris was/is a fighter! That she is strong, incorruptible, brave, and different.

If she does not demand a ballot recount as mentioned, even if Biden doesn't want her to do it "to have a peaceful transition," even if she is threatened, then I cannot help but believe that she is no different from prior Democratic presidential candidates.

Remember when Trump had a "secret" between him and Mike Johnson? Remember when Trump said he "didn't need the votes?" Remember Trump's stupid antics at his rallies - he had no concern about the outcome?

We, the People, come first! Vice President Harris, please heed the warning and have a hand recount, while there is still time!

[turbinetree]

174. I would give money to do this for Harris.............and Greg Palast is really good when it comes to voting............

and Spoonamore is right.............get the writ and file it it.............

[MichMan]

235. Here is how. After the first $41,300 goes to the DNC, the next $3,300 goes for the Harris recount fund

Get out your checkbook

A portion of donations made to the Harris Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee authorized by the Harris campaign, the Democratic National Committee and state Democratic parties, will be directed towards a recount effort, according to its fundraising page.

The fundraising page says that the “first $41,300/$15,000 from a person/multicandidate committee (“PAC”) will be allocated to the DNC. The next $3,300/$5,000 from a person/PAC will be allocated to Harris for President's Recount Account."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/11/kamala-harris-fundraiser-donations-election-recount/76195287007/

[turbinetree]

249. Thank you

[Beartracks]

175. Democracy requires the certainty that such a recount would provide. n/t

[Ocelot II]

177. Could also it be that a large number of MAGA voters cared only about voting for Trump

and didn't fill out the rest of their ballots because they weren't interested in the other candidates, only in Trump?

[Abnredleg]

180. They were targeting low propensity voters

Such as young men. If you have little interest in politics then it makes sense to just vote for Trump.

[Ninga]

257. In Seven swing states then they voted for trump and then voted for the Democratic running for senate.

It just doesn’t compute.

[bucolic_frolic]

178. And where is Trump on recounts and rigged elections? He barely won a majority

Goodness he shut his pie hole fast!

[bucolic_frolic]

185. Well time's a wasting, better get a move on it. /nt

[SidneyR]

193. It's just so hard for us to admit to ourselves.

But a large proportion of Americans are just fine with fascism. They'd gladly watch you get dragged out your front door by the hair into a police van going to a detention camp if it means cheaper gas for them.

[Hope22]

195. Heads up! Recounts require observers!

If your state has a recount volunteer to observe. They need members of all parties. Long day but very worth it!

[HereForTheParty]

197. What happened to trusting our election processes and officials?

Sorry but some random "computer security expert" going Mike Lindell is something the DNC and prominent Democrats won't go near. WEed look like damn fools after we rightfully shot this stuff down in 2020.

[cadoman]

200. any computer system that emulates human work -- requires human spot checks

I wouldn't say that a 100% recount is warranted, but recount a few precincts that seem to have anomalies and see if anything turns up.

I once visited the Pilsner Urquell brewery in Pilsen. A sort of highly automated, soulless monstrosity capable of generating billions of gallons of brain poison a year.

But nestled in the basement of the facility was the ongoing creation of the original recipe, from scratch by hand, in real wooden casks and cellars. And boy was it delicious.

The reason they maintained the second, human system? To have a constant reference for what the mechanized system should output (as they tweak and do lord knows what to it).

So it is with ballot tabulation. In nearly every circumstance the computer tabulator will perform fine, but if you don't spot check it constantly, you'll miss those cases where it was misconfigured or began malfunctioning.

[Tribetime]

202. Im all for it if this is true....makes more sense to me than drumph gaining voters

While the Democrats were way less than 2020
Enthusiasm was much higher on the Harris side
I don't understand how he got 50% compared 46.5% or so in 2016 and 2020 with 34 felonies and trying to Overthrow Election.

[annielion]

203. Harris Will Ask For Recounts

I totally believe Harris will ask for recounts. She is a former prosecutor and attorney general. She is aware of some of the election irregularities. A candidate who has lost an election can ask for recounts if they pay for it. Jill Stein asked for recounts in several states in 2016, but Republicans made sure the large precincts or counties were not hand counted, but were recounted in the same way on the same voting machines. On Monday November 11 some websites were discussing this statement on the Harris Victory Fund website - "The first $41,300/$15,000 from a person/multicandidate committee (“PAC”) will be allocated to the DNC. The next $3,300/$5,000 from a person/PAC will be allocated to Harris for President’s Recount Account." I don't know whether that statement was on the Victory Fund website earlier.

[aurora the great]

206. Any body know ?????

If already asked and answered I apologize. How many bullet ballots there were for Kamala Harris in those swing states? Thank you

[reACTIONary]

207. Jeeze... Not this shit again.

[mzmolly]

208. Does it have to be Harris?

Can election integrity orgs make a request?

[annielion]

212. I think it has to be Harris

As I recall, it must be one of the candidates.

[mzmolly]

217. Crud. I wonder if a lower level candidate can do it?

And if so, would they recount all the results from every race?

[annielion]

222. Lower level candidate?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by lower level candidate. As I recall from Jill Stein's requested recount in 2016, she was only requesting recounts of the presidential vote. She was being instructed by voting security experts in terms of what to recount. I still think Kamala's going to request recounts. I have emailed her once about this, I'm going to email her again.

[MichMan]

238. Looks like the first step would be for everyone to donate $44,600 apiece

The first $41,300 goes to the DNC and $3,300 will be applied to the Harris Recount Fund. Once they have enough $$, they can start state by state to pay the costs of the recount.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/11/kamala-harris-fundraiser-donations-election-recount/76195287007/

[mzmolly]

242. I mean somebody down ballot.

Like a Congressional or Senate candidate

[MichMan]

243. Unless it is a statewide office, any recount would only be for a limited area

[mzmolly]

244. Senate candidates

would be the option then.

Good information, thank you.

[Bluethroughu]

213. When I lived in WI, I watched the REBULICAN city clerk, remove ballots from the voting machine,

When it was not even 1/4 full. They spilled out from the garbage bag on to the floor in front of me and everyone in line. She told me to throw my ballot into the bag. I said no not until that door is shut and locked.

Went home and reported it to the hot line.
Trump won 2016

[DallasNE]

221. This Could Be

The people Musk lured with his million-dollar offers. The ballots may be corrupt but technically legal. Remember, Musk's "reward" was only in effect in swing States.

[garybeck]

223. I'm glad to see this on the top of the greatest page nt

[TomWilm]

226. Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories ...

Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories. Do not promote extreme fringe views. Do not reference hate sites or other extremist/fringe sources.

[TBF]

254. "extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" -

This is being discussed on Reddit and Threads, not extreme at all. Not sure why it's being dismissed by some DU members as "extreme". You'd think everyone would be in favor of a recount, given what awaits the country when Trump assumes office. Wouldn't we want to do everything possible to make sure the vote was not tampered with?

[TomWilm]

260. I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ...

... and yes, the votes better not be tampered with.

I did a lot of counting and research of the election system in the past, and that made me quite relaxed about it in the end.

I trust the counting of the votes, and I trust the reporting and collection and the result even!

These elections are rotten to the core - though not the counting process, but EVERYTHING else about them.

- The billionaires right to buy all the ads.
- The billions wasted to get people out to vote.
- The defective two party monopoly and internal echo chambers.
- The missing research and press coverage, since media is controlled ...
... please keep this list growing, and focus on some of THOSE problems.

The counting of votes is the very least problem, and for me it looks like the ONLY part that is actually working. So for my view is such a limited focus a waste of time - and yes, fully based on "extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" in very small circles..............

But thanks for your reply!

[TBF]

263. I'm not as confident as you are in the process -

just watched as my 21-year-old tried to vote in the past 4 elections here in our county. She was overseas and had to vote absentee for the first 3, and then voted in person for the 4th. She looked up all the ballot numbers and the only one that has counted so far is the 3rd one (she was still abroad for the primary earlier this year). The in-person vote was accepted but not counted. In that case she walked in, gave them the absentee ballot they had sent her, and asked that it be destroyed so she could vote in person (since she had returned home). They were very accommodating, but they still haven't counted it. That's not a very good track record.

So, no, I don't think voting is as perfect as you describe.

In terms of rules of this site, yes well aware, "kooky" and "extremist" are going to come down to jury or admin interpretation. My comment was that I hardly think a topic is extremely farfetched if it's being widely discussed on major social media sites. That doesn't necessarily mean a situation is being interpreted correctly, either, but I still wouldn't call it kooky or extremist. ymmv

[DiamondShark]

236. Spoonamore is a Republican. FYI

[TBF]

255. So is Dick Cheney. Your point? nt

[DiamondShark]

256. Do you trust Dick Cheney?

Because I don't trust any republican, or anyone who would vote for a republican.

Besides, we hashed this out over the weekend, why is this post necroed?

[TBF]

259. I trust very few people and party has little to do with it -

perhaps this guy crossed over to support Harris also. Have just been pulling up some of these threads to read about the allegations but haven't found much new in way of facts.

I suppose a recount in even one state would be at enormous cost and probably spark a civil war so that is likely why Harris is lying low. It's too bad, though, because I don't have a problem believing they'd cheat. Donald had everything to lose, and Elon is stuck like glue to him now. They will get away with it of course.

[DiamondShark]

261. I agree with what you said.

[WriteFight]

250. Duty to warn

I wrote the duty to warn piece on Daily Kos. Posted late Friday night. By time I French pressed by morning coffee the story, which had 10 recommends in a hour disappeared from site along with my past stories. A skull n crossbones emoji was pasted in drafts file. Must have touched a nerve. Daily Kos tech hasn't responded to me yet to explain what happened. This should be breaking news everywhere. But not a peep. I reposted on substack. https://open.substack.com/pub/kmac/p/rigged-cyber-security-experts-in?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=mlf2

[WriteFight]

253. Duty To Warn letters

https://open.substack.com/pub/kmac/p/rigged-cyber-security-experts-in?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=mlf2

[Ninga]

258. K&R for exposure. Nt