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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:18 PM Nov 2024

Raw Story: WSJ editorial warns Elon Musk's 'blow-it-all-up' ideas will devastate U.S. economy

The board argued, "Our concern isn't personalities so much as Mr. Musk's apparent belief in economic-policy disruption for its own sake. Treasury isn't the Education Department, or Defense, and financial markets don't want to trade one form of policy uncertainty for another. Steady and knowledgeable economic policy hands are needed if Mr. Trump wants to succeed."


https://www.rawstory.com/wsj-editorial-warns-elon-musks-blow-it-all-up-ideas-will-devastate-u-s-economy/

In short, the WSJ's editorial board is saying feel free to fuck up the entire federal govt, but do not fuck with our money.
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Raw Story: WSJ editorial warns Elon Musk's 'blow-it-all-up' ideas will devastate U.S. economy (Original Post) Yavin4 Nov 2024 OP
Just talk of defaulting on the debt can cause the market to crater. Walleye Nov 2024 #1
Truly amazing that people think that Trump's craziness won't affect them. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #3
That's almost the silver lining to this radius777 Nov 2024 #53
The Corporations and Trumphumpers DENVERPOPS Nov 2024 #58
The economy crashes dweller Nov 2024 #7
If the chickens don't all die, of bird flu Walleye Nov 2024 #9
Not exactly trash it ... dweller Nov 2024 #11
Oh, especially the USDA not fooled Nov 2024 #22
You would think that if they were so good markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #26
But of course Tweedy Nov 2024 #28
And getting rid of most of the agricultural workforce Bettie Nov 2024 #31
The plan is to bring back the Bracero program Tweedy Nov 2024 #43
They really are just Bettie Nov 2024 #49
Nihilism unleashed Tweedy Nov 2024 #50
I was just thinking that Meowmee Nov 2024 #54
They Think They Can Rebuild The Economy erpowers Nov 2024 #63
Yeah. You know what? Tweedy Nov 2024 #66
Me looking at my flock of 20 chickens NickB79 Nov 2024 #29
The market hates uncertainty more than anything. Dulcinea Nov 2024 #8
That's the plan. They've said as much all along Docreed2003 Nov 2024 #2
Few take Trump at his word. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #5
"Ha ha. Suckers and Losers!" - G.O.P.'s Secret Komrade BoRaGard Nov 2024 #4
Putin ain't doing all of this so that America is economically strong. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #6
WORLD Codifer Nov 2024 #23
Not so fast, my friend Yavin4 Nov 2024 #38
Well, Codifer Nov 2024 #39
Putin takes the West. China takes the East. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #40
Putin gets Europe and the US. China gets the Pacific. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #59
Sure seems to be working. rubbersole Nov 2024 #25
He knows that the West is run by thoroughly corrupt leaders and the people are dumb and racists. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #37
No shit. Solly Mack Nov 2024 #10
But then he can buy it all up at 25 cents on the dollar. louis-t Nov 2024 #12
The guy is worth over 300 billion dollars. What does he care? patphil Nov 2024 #13
Bitcoin will be the new currency to replace the dollar. rubbersole Nov 2024 #27
That is a scary thought indeed. patphil Nov 2024 #44
Elon bdamomma Nov 2024 #45
So the WSJ wants 'steady and knowledgeable economic policy'. Biophilic Nov 2024 #14
they very much helped to create that monster Skittles Nov 2024 #34
Where was this editorial before the election? nt City Lights Nov 2024 #15
THIS SunSeeker Nov 2024 #21
Not fair for the rich... Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #16
Just remember bdamomma Nov 2024 #46
The goal is to destroy the US economy. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #17
They assume Trump's idea of success is for America to "be better" relayerbob Nov 2024 #18
What's new... orwell Nov 2024 #19
Yes they will Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #20
Disaster capitalism. Surely they knew rainin Nov 2024 #24
Translated: current rich people will lose money and houses and stuff no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #30
Will they bdamomma Nov 2024 #47
Seems you might have wanted to remind your investment class readers exboyfil Nov 2024 #32
LOL, these assholes Skittles Nov 2024 #33
The Market may be the only thing that can reign Trump in - TBF Nov 2024 #35
Oh Wall Street Journal bronxiteforever Nov 2024 #36
No shit, Sherlock Iris Nov 2024 #41
They could have warned people before the election Thrill Nov 2024 #42
Liz Truss tried a bit of "disrupting" as UK Prime Minister Emrys Nov 2024 #48
THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO! Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #51
And That's What they're AFTER. Cha Nov 2024 #52
I guess we're gonna see who has the real power. I don't think it's tsf and company PortTack Nov 2024 #55
FAFO, hey Rupert? History will record you and Eloon... NNadir Nov 2024 #56
They used the words "Steady and knowledgeable" and "Mr. Trump" in the same sentence! LOL! SpankMe Nov 2024 #57
Seize his assets... lonely bird Nov 2024 #60
Is Musk an anarchist? Aussie105 Nov 2024 #61
That Is What Musk Wants erpowers Nov 2024 #62
You hit the nail in the head with your translation. Escurumbele Nov 2024 #64
All the Post below gives all types of reasons Dan Nov 2024 #65

Walleye

(44,805 posts)
1. Just talk of defaulting on the debt can cause the market to crater.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:20 PM
Nov 2024

But cheer up Republicans, if the economy crashes, the price of eggs will probably come down

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
3. Truly amazing that people think that Trump's craziness won't affect them.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:21 PM
Nov 2024

Everyone sees what they want to see in Trump instead of the truth that's right in front of them.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
53. That's almost the silver lining to this
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:08 AM
Nov 2024

that those who thought Trump was joking are about to find out. Trump was restrained to some degree the first time around, only deploying his crazy on select targets. This time the crazy is going to be unleashed across the board - and it's going to have far ranging and unintended effects - including on many of those who thought they would be exempt.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
58. The Corporations and Trumphumpers
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 03:14 PM
Nov 2024

are about to find out, the hard way, about the Frankenstein's Monster they have created, and now is out of control.......

In Street Slang: You grew it, you chew it..........

They still are stupid/ignorant enough to not begin to realize that when Trump said: "Vote for me, and you will never have to vote again", in all actuality meant future voting will be totally corrupted by the RepubliCONs and that their vote will no longer matter.....

Welcome to the "Nuevo" RepliCONs, Corporate Tyranny of America..............or maybe United Corporations of America......

Walleye

(44,805 posts)
9. If the chickens don't all die, of bird flu
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:29 PM
Nov 2024

Do they also intend to trash the agriculture department?

not fooled

(6,680 posts)
22. Oh, especially the USDA
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 2024

For some reason it's been a particular object of hatred for the RW loons. Expect attempts by know-nothings to gut the USDA except perhaps for the parts that facilitate agricultural exports (because other countries aren't as stupid as the US and don't want our pests and diseases).

I used to know several USDA employees with great jobs (relatively high salaries, excellent benefits) that were enthusiastic red don supporters. I still remember how relieved they were that the country dodged a bullet when Hillary didn't become president. Wonder how they feel now. Bunch of ignorant dumbasses, they were.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
26. You would think that if they were so good
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:15 PM
Nov 2024

at reading chicken entrails, they could see what would come of voting for Trump.

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
28. But of course
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 2024

While simultaneously ending SNAP and forbidding the use of fertilizers or pesticides without any scientific advice about how to still grow crops apparently.

Right now, it looks like the goal is to destroy as much of our economic successes as possible. Why? Idk. Do they want to buy distressed property cheap? Do they hate the United States this badly? Ignorance? Arrogance?
It doesn’t really matter why. Stupid destructive crapola is coming.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
31. And getting rid of most of the agricultural workforce
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:46 PM
Nov 2024

don't forget that piece of the pile of excrement!

Eloon works directly for Putin. Funny thing is that he thinks he will do well after destroying the US for him, but he'll really just get the usual flying lessons from a window.

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
43. The plan is to bring back the Bracero program
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:09 PM
Nov 2024

I think
All the horrors you can imagine for immigrant farm workers and nobody to care if they die while trying to work.

Basically the notion is to turn the farm into a Pullman’s village during harvest and planting season so the workers owe all of their wages to the company store and some don’t survive the experience.

erpowers

(9,445 posts)
63. They Think They Can Rebuild The Economy
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:42 PM
Nov 2024

They want to crash the economy because they think crashing the economy will allow them to rebuild the economy the way they think it should be built.

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
66. Yeah. You know what?
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 04:42 PM
Nov 2024

This has been tried previously. It always fails spectacularly. Pinochet destroyed things. Who knows when, or if?, Argentina ever recovers. If you like inflation, you will love Argentina’s which usually exceeds 100% (as high as 200%).

Right now in Russia, some folks fave, potatoes are up 78%.

These same folks, under a different normie president, laid waist to Iraq’s economy and insisted! that Ethiopia end free public education in the interest of the “economy” and ending the country’s “debt.”

Ethiopia used to be one of the most stable, literate countries in freaking human history.
Now, Ethiopia hovers around perpetual civil war, its economy in ruins and many of its people sunk in illiteracy.

Who does this benefit?
Arms manufacturers and the men who always need more!!! like the seagulls in Finding Nemo. The more men are never satisfied. It is a hole of need they are trying to fill with power. That never works.

Dulcinea

(10,088 posts)
8. The market hates uncertainty more than anything.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:27 PM
Nov 2024

That alone will mess with the economy, and people still probably won't get cheap gas & groceries.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
5. Few take Trump at his word.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:24 PM
Nov 2024

Everybody interprets what he says and thinks that his instability won't negatively affect them.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
6. Putin ain't doing all of this so that America is economically strong.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:25 PM
Nov 2024

That's not his end goal. His end goal is complete control of the West.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
37. He knows that the West is run by thoroughly corrupt leaders and the people are dumb and racists.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:16 PM
Nov 2024

He is simply exploiting our weaknesses. Us normies expected our highly vaunted institutions to protect us, but we failed to understand that our institutions are only as strong as the people who run them.

patphil

(9,067 posts)
13. The guy is worth over 300 billion dollars. What does he care?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:43 PM
Nov 2024

I don't think the WSJ understands what it is that Donald Trump wants to succeed at.
Also, Musk contributed over 100 million dollars to Trump's campaign. He's going to reward Musk, even if it hurts a whole lot of people; something Musk has already says will happen.
So, Musk obviously plans to sell high before the shit hits the fan, and then buy at bargain prices after the crash.
The rich can get richer in times of economic turmoil if they know what's coming. And, Musk knows what his plans and actions will do to the economy.

rubbersole

(11,223 posts)
27. Bitcoin will be the new currency to replace the dollar.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:16 PM
Nov 2024

Thank you, Elon. Please, some more of your genius for us peons...

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
45. Elon
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:40 PM
Nov 2024

wants the dollar to crash and then introduce cryptocurrency. Elon needs to get his ass out of the US, he's wants to bring South African Apartheid to the US. Vance, Peter Thiel. and Paul Furber.

Read below:

https://archive.ph/20240920072546/https://www.ft.com/content/cfbfa1e8-d8f8-42b9-b74c-dae6cc6185a0

Biophilic

(6,552 posts)
14. So the WSJ wants 'steady and knowledgeable economic policy'.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:17 PM
Nov 2024

Yup, I fully expect that will come out of trump’s administration. They are just the people to do it. I don’t know whether to laugh hysterically or cry. I can’t believe the WSJ actually said that.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
34. they very much helped to create that monster
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:02 PM
Nov 2024

NOW they are concerned the monster may do, well, monstrous things

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
16. Not fair for the rich...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:27 PM
Nov 2024

I think people have to realize that Musk and Trump want to blow it all up, not because they don't think the system works for regular people, but because they think it works too well for regular people. Republicans think working people have it too easy, they think people are lazy and need to work harder for less.

Their whole goal for blowing it all up is to make it easier for the rich to benefit the most from a new system and to ensure the rich have the benefit of preying on working people without government inteference.

That's what this is all about, the rich got sick of draining the working class little by little and decided to take it all at once.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
46. Just remember
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:46 PM
Nov 2024

that word "hardship". It's very criminal of them to loot our ACA, SS and other initiatives we have had. All they do is lie, cheat and steal, I hope that they choke on that greed. They have no respect for us whatsoever. They think we are all ignorant (some are).

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
17. The goal is to destroy the US economy.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 2024

Billionaires can buy up everything ten cents on the dollar.

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
18. They assume Trump's idea of success is for America to "be better"
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:39 PM
Nov 2024

Not sure that coincides with Putin's idea of success.

orwell

(8,003 posts)
19. What's new...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:40 PM
Nov 2024

...same as it ever was.

Wait until they come to the realization that money itself is an abstraction, created out of thin air, to give us an illusion of material importance and to ultimately delineate class structures. (Spoiler alert...they won't)

Try eating a bar of gold sometime...

Nigrum Cattus

(1,317 posts)
20. Yes they will
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:47 PM
Nov 2024

Next year is going to be very bad if only 30% of what they
want to do becomes real. If he does fire all the federal
workers that keep the federal gov running the failures
will be overwhelming and cataclysmic. Plan for the worst
and desire for the best.

no_hypocrisy

(54,906 posts)
30. Translated: current rich people will lose money and houses and stuff
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:43 PM
Nov 2024

like the rest of us.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
32. Seems you might have wanted to remind your investment class readers
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 2024

of this before the election.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
33. LOL, these assholes
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:00 PM
Nov 2024

SINCE WHEN DO REPUKES CARE ABOUT THE DEFICIT? FUCK YOU WSJ, you helped sane-wash that traitorous piece of SHIT. FUCK YOU!

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
48. Liz Truss tried a bit of "disrupting" as UK Prime Minister
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 09:22 PM
Nov 2024

She announced £45 billion in unfunded tax cuts with no underlying economic analysis in a mini-budget that cratered the financial markets, slashed the value of the pound, raised mortgage rates and boosted inflation. She lasted less than 50 days in office before she was forced to resign by her party.

She was disruptive alright.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
51. THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO!
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:36 PM
Nov 2024

The WSJ should have been reporting what they said while they, trump and elunatic, were champaining.

It's going to get bad for awhile...sickos.

Just another Repubulican Presidency that trashes Democratic high times.

Buckle up maga, you are going for a ride!

NNadir

(38,045 posts)
56. FAFO, hey Rupert? History will record you and Eloon...
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:10 AM
Nov 2024

...as the immigrants who destroyed America.

SpankMe

(3,720 posts)
57. They used the words "Steady and knowledgeable" and "Mr. Trump" in the same sentence! LOL!
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:58 AM
Nov 2024

Also, I remember when the media used "Mr." Trump instead of "president" Trump in articles and the right-wing lost their shit each time. I don't hear much complaining nowadays when the WSJ does this - even though it's in the style guides of every newsroom: Use "president" at the first mention, then "Mr." after that.

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
61. Is Musk an anarchist?
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 06:09 PM
Nov 2024

You know, blow it all up and stand back and hope something better grows out of the rubble, spontaneously?
History tells us this never works, but Musk might think he knows better.

The 'sincere concerns' about the implications of a Trump presidency come a bit late though.
Where was this insight before the election?

erpowers

(9,445 posts)
62. That Is What Musk Wants
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:36 PM
Nov 2024

That is exactly what Elon Musk wants. He thinks once the economy is "blown up" it can be rebuilt and people will eventually be okay with the new economy. I think he is wrong.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
64. You hit the nail in the head with your translation.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 2024

"In short, the WSJ's editorial board is saying feel free to fuck up the entire federal govt, but do not fuck with our money. "

Dan

(5,179 posts)
65. All the Post below gives all types of reasons
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:59 PM
Nov 2024

About Trump doing evil things with terrible Cabinet members.

It’s simply this - Trump is a Jinx. He ran casinos into bankruptcy which is hard to do. He blew through the 400+ million his daddy left him and the stuff he stole from his brother.

Everything he touches dies - is so spot on, but who would have thought that he could destroy a nation?

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