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moniss

(9,169 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 06:48 AM Nov 2024

I would not be surprised if they move to

cut the Federal Minimum Wage. I think SSI Disability payments for services for the disabled will be drastically cut as well. They'll cut those people back to just food and housing. You know they will gut what little is left of OSHA, NOAA, US Fish and Wildlife Service, Library of Congress, The National Archives (for revenge), the Federal Railroad Administration, the Federal Pipeline Safety Administration and many more.

I wanted to mention specific agencies or things that haven't been really touched on.

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I would not be surprised if they move to (Original Post) moniss Nov 2024 OP
i would not be surprised if they repealed the minimum wage altogether. rampartd Nov 2024 #1
That has been on the right wing wish list Bettie Nov 2024 #22
Yes billionaires hate all regulations which cut into their profits. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #35
If they cut SSI Disability, that will adversely Mike 03 Nov 2024 #2
They will privatize it Old Crank Nov 2024 #13
That was what GW Bush wanted to do.. I believe at that time they wanted to sell it to Intellicast? . LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #15
Fun fact: NOAA is one of the "Uniformed Services" Seinan Sensei Nov 2024 #24
I did not know about NOAA but I did about US Public Health LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #26
That is what they have always wanted.... FarPoint Nov 2024 #18
Yes. A friend on an Advantage plan just got a notice that the insurer will no longer serve her small community. Lonestarblue Nov 2024 #33
Anyone who is on the ocean depends on it too Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #17
When the storms are blowing in the winter moniss Nov 2024 #23
I'm waiting for them to . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 2024 #3
Yes, nothing is safe. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #4
That is a very astute observation, Think. Again. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #16
Those farmers probably will not lose. Farm subsidies are very high and virtually unknown to most voters. Jit423 Nov 2024 #6
This kind of fits with one theory I heard, I believe Mike 03 Nov 2024 #8
Farmer welfare won't be touched Buckeyeblue Nov 2024 #9
Trump screwed them over last time with his China deal, then had to pay them off with billions in subsidies LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #10
Not anymore.... getagrip_already Nov 2024 #32
But the repukes will not learn the lesson Alpeduez21 Nov 2024 #21
It depends on how this is presented. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #28
That would be a good time to visit moniss Nov 2024 #25
Too early. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #29
I don't mean a time by month etc. only that when the realization moniss Nov 2024 #30
I figure they're going to really increase those tax cuts. no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #5
They don't need to FBaggins Nov 2024 #7
true... it's already a completely worthless sick joke LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #11
"Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street . . . John Shaft Nov 2024 #12
And those streets orangecrush Nov 2024 #14
That is the most pleasant image my mind has pondered since November 5th. Thanks for the free vacation. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #19
Most welcome. orangecrush Nov 2024 #20
They seem to think that those of us with relatively little to lose who believe in truth John Shaft Nov 2024 #31
Gee, it's really gonna suck for MAGATs orangecrush Nov 2024 #36
One of the first moniss Nov 2024 #27
Make no mistake, cutting the Federal minimum wage would be very bad Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #34

rampartd

(5,121 posts)
1. i would not be surprised if they repealed the minimum wage altogether.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:09 AM
Nov 2024

don't know about actual states, but ssi in louisiana is essentially a delaying tactic hoping the citizen will die before he gets a check.

Bettie

(19,902 posts)
22. That has been on the right wing wish list
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:41 AM
Nov 2024

for a really long time.

Heck, employers are often upset that they have to pay workers at all.

Irish_Dem

(82,484 posts)
35. Yes billionaires hate all regulations which cut into their profits.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:04 PM
Nov 2024

So any law or rule to help the people will have to go.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
2. If they cut SSI Disability, that will adversely
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:11 AM
Nov 2024

impact a lot of vulnerable people. I'm thinking in particular of the husband of the one MAGA "friend" I'm still in touch with. While I don't know all of their financial circumstances, I have reason to believe it could be disastrous for them.

NOAA would be very distressing for so many reasons. My family is filled with people who depend on NOAA weather radio, especially during our monsoon (June to August) and over the winter. Weather radio is free and saves lives, and I know truck drivers probably depend on it too, unless they have gravitated towards other sources of that information.

Also, just on a personal level, I've had some dealings with our National Weather Service people in Flagstaff and they are so nice and hard working and such a pleasure to deal with.

What will we do with all our weather radios? (I literally have five or six)

Old Crank

(7,312 posts)
13. They will privatize it
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:53 AM
Nov 2024

Sell it off to a favorite billionaire and then charge the government for the information at a higher cost than supporting the agency with less information available.

LiberalArkie

(19,927 posts)
15. That was what GW Bush wanted to do.. I believe at that time they wanted to sell it to Intellicast? .
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:05 AM
Nov 2024

Seinan Sensei

(1,651 posts)
24. Fun fact: NOAA is one of the "Uniformed Services"
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:35 AM
Nov 2024

There are eight Uniformed Services. Six are considered Military (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force). The other two Uniformed Services are NOAA and US Public Health Service.
All who join and serve in these eight Uniformed Services are considered “active duty.” All members of Uniformed Services, for example, can become eligible for VA benefits.
Project 2025 believes NOAA “should be broken up and downsized." As in dissolved and privatized.

Why? Three reasons.
...1) follow the money. Project 2025 wants to “fully commercialize NOAA’s forecasting operations." That is, Project 2025 wants to charge for popular and necessary weather-related services that now are free through NOAA. Somebody’s gonna get rich if MAGA co-opts NOAA materials and services.
...2) Project 2025 believes NOAA’s scientific approach runs counter to Project 2025’s climate-change narrative. Project 2025 sees NOAA as a “primary component of the climate change alarm industry." Project 2025 wants NOAA to become "performance-based” (read: NOT science-based ). Project 2025 wants NOAA to be held accountable for achieving specific results, even if the head of NOAA must "deviate from government rules" (read: fudge the numbers ) to achieve MAGA-friendly results.
...3) This is MAGA’s foot-in-the-door toward privatizing the six Military Services -- If thy can do it to NOAA, they can do it to Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force. Voila! TSF’s own private military.

A far cry from the days when I played with plastic soldiers from the five-and-dime.

FarPoint

(14,945 posts)
18. That is what they have always wanted....
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:20 AM
Nov 2024

That's why we got that" Advantage Care Crap"..... just say no to that option if you can.

Lonestarblue

(13,565 posts)
33. Yes. A friend on an Advantage plan just got a notice that the insurer will no longer serve her small community.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:31 AM
Nov 2024

She is now left with a choice of leaving her local medical providers and travel 1.5 hours each way to access medical care in a larger community or moving to original Medicare and finding a Medigap supplement plan for her area. When insurers control your healthcare, they can decide to cancel you at any time to increase their profits. That is exactly what Republicans want.

moniss

(9,169 posts)
23. When the storms are blowing in the winter
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:34 AM
Nov 2024

out in the Dakotas the NOAA weather service radio reports have saved me many times. Tornado time too. Excellent local weather and because my radios are multi-channel I can pick up the next area I'm traveling to a good long time before I get there. They are so great about wind speed and wind gust level and mentioning pretty precise reports town by town and the forecasts. Knowing ahead of time about horrible conditions ahead gives a person time to find a place to pull over and let the weather blow through rather than running into the problem and finding yourself surrounded in a blizzard with high winds for instance.

AverageOldGuy

(4,207 posts)
3. I'm waiting for them to . . .
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:23 AM
Nov 2024

. . . Cut farmers’ crop insurance, price supports, and other subsidies.

In my rural VA county, according to USDA stats, around $1 million per year flows in to various farmers, every one of whom voted for Trump - the county has gone for Trump by 70% in all three past elections.

And when they lose that money and start losing farms that have been in their families for seven generations, I will laugh my ass off at every one of them - YOU ASKED FOR IT, FOOL!!!

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. Yes, nothing is safe.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:33 AM
Nov 2024

We've known for decades that the republican party, and rightwingers in general, have agressively hostile personalities.

And of course there isn't going to be any improvement in mental health care for a long time to try to treat these people.

We made a big mistake by treating Americans with malicious tendencies as though they were just political opponents.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
16. That is a very astute observation, Think. Again.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:15 AM
Nov 2024

Evidence of proof shows up a literally every news broadcast, even Fox. The difference at Fox is they wear maliciousness and cruelty like a badge of honor.

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
6. Those farmers probably will not lose. Farm subsidies are very high and virtually unknown to most voters.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:58 AM
Nov 2024

Not just GOP but Dems do it too. The worse part of it is that some use environmental protection as the reason.

The huge corporate farms soak up most of the subsidies and get paid for essentially not farming in some states in the south. Trump had to cough up billions to give to farmers because his last tariffs when he was in office raised the cost to all farmers while sum received most of the subsidies and tax cuts. A lot of small and minority farmers had to fight really hard to get anything. That system has been going on for decades. But Trump administration was a doozy on this. Read about it here. And research about how many farmers stopped growing food in favor of making huge sums of money from growing Weed. Legalization was the goal for a long time and not just because imprisonment of huge numbers of black and Latino men and women was ridiculously unfair but because the financial gains by white "entrepreneurs" would be astronomical. As soon as that happened, even some evangelical holy rollers starting switching over from food to weed. Just search out the info. It's all out there and it is pretty disgusting when you think about the unnecessarily high cost of food now. Some places in the country forbid even growing your own food.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected

Always follow the MONEY and the money trail.
More references:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=How+Senator+Eastman+and+southern+farmers+made+money+from+government+subsidies&qpvt=How+Senator+Eastman+and+southern+farmers+made+money+from+government+subsidies&FORM=VDRE

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=PBS+South+Carolina+Black+Land+Taken+Away&FORM=VRPATC

https://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=00000&progcode=total
(look at the states on this list. Then think about the money the blue states contribute to Federal coffers.)

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
8. This kind of fits with one theory I heard, I believe
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:08 AM
Nov 2024

it was a caller to the Progress channel on SiriusXM. Maybe it's a conspiracy theory, but it made sense: that one motive behind the tariffs was to put smaller farmers out of business so that the agricultural giants could snap up small farms for cheap and absorb them into their monopolies. (I'm agnostic on this theory, but there's a certain cruel and cynical logic to it.)

Buckeyeblue

(6,440 posts)
9. Farmer welfare won't be touched
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:12 AM
Nov 2024

Farmers are a big part of the base. And they scream the loudest when they don't get what they want.

LymphocyteLover

(10,202 posts)
10. Trump screwed them over last time with his China deal, then had to pay them off with billions in subsidies
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:15 AM
Nov 2024

and of course they voted for him again

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
32. Not anymore....
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:21 AM
Nov 2024

Farms have consolidated into mega corporations for the most part. Family farms are no more. Those that call themselves family farmers run multimillion dollar enterprises, even if they look dirt poor. There just arent a lot of them. Not like there once were.

Homesteaders arent farmers in an economic sense. They dont move crops to market in bulk. They dont get subsidies and they arent impacted by market prices other than feed and seed.

Corporate farmers do have lobbyists, and spend heavily on legislation to keep them propped up and in the high cotton.

Yes, they scream through the astroturf, but numbets? Not any more. Just money and the fools than can cheat.



Alpeduez21

(2,074 posts)
21. But the repukes will not learn the lesson
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:40 AM
Nov 2024

Dems will continue to get blamed in spite of the evidence

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
28. It depends on how this is presented.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:45 AM
Nov 2024

I heard they are going to give a list of items that they want to cut and present it to the public and see how the public reacts. That might be the time for the Democratic Party to have a reason to save it.

moniss

(9,169 posts)
25. That would be a good time to visit
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:35 AM
Nov 2024

the local diner and ask them how they like their choice. Rub it in deep.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
29. Too early.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:46 AM
Nov 2024

I’d say in June would be more accurate. People forget trump isn’t president yet and hasn’t done a thing.

moniss

(9,169 posts)
30. I don't mean a time by month etc. only that when the realization
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:52 AM
Nov 2024

sinks in it would be the time to rub it in.

no_hypocrisy

(55,450 posts)
5. I figure they're going to really increase those tax cuts.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:33 AM
Nov 2024

Even if they extended the present tax cuts, agencies and programs were still funded.

FBaggins

(28,771 posts)
7. They don't need to
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:08 AM
Nov 2024

There’s almost nobody left making the federal minimum wage. It’s been deflated down to irrelevance

 

John Shaft

(808 posts)
12. "Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street . . .
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:22 AM
Nov 2024

And now you're gonna have to get used to it"

-- Bob Dylan

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
19. That is the most pleasant image my mind has pondered since November 5th. Thanks for the free vacation.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:22 AM
Nov 2024
 

John Shaft

(808 posts)
31. They seem to think that those of us with relatively little to lose who believe in truth
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:15 AM
Nov 2024

are scared of pedophiles and rapists.

Every MAGAt I ever met was an idiot, even if they had degrees, and most importantly A FUCKING COWARD.

orangecrush

(31,209 posts)
36. Gee, it's really gonna suck for MAGATs
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:17 PM
Nov 2024


Who can't afford to live in gated communities, meaning almost all of them

Wiz Imp

(10,488 posts)
34. Make no mistake, cutting the Federal minimum wage would be very bad
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:33 AM
Nov 2024

But it wouldn't have as big an effect as you might think. 30 states + DC already have higher minimum wage rates than the Federal rate, including 3 of the 4 largest states. They cover over 62% of the total population of the US. In 2022, only 1.3% of hourly workers earned at or below the minimum wage, which is the lowest since data collection began in 1979.

https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-people-are-earning-725-hour/

The Federal minimum wage should absolutely be raised significantly, not cut. But at this point, unless states start cutting their minimum wages, cutting the Federal minimum wage level would not have a significant impact. Since most states have a significantly higher minimum wage than the Federal rate, it puts pressure on employers in states without a higher state minimum wage, to pay a higher wage than the Federal minimum.

Now if we entered an economic Depression, the impact would certainly be higher but it's unclear how big an impact with the higher state minimum wages still in effect. The percentage of workers earning the Federal minimum did increase during the Great Recession but came back down rather quickly as the economy improved.

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