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highplainsdem

(62,134 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:25 PM Nov 2024

Body Language Expert Says Trump Is Acting "Submissive" Around Musk (Futurism)

https://futurism.com/the-byte/trump-body-language

A body language expert assessed Elon Musk and Donald Trump's behavior around each other and concluded that the future president is acting uncharacteristically deferential around his star-crossed friend.

Former police officer Darren Stanton analyzed a video of the pair at Musk's latest flatlined SpaceX rocket launch for The Telegraph, establishing that "only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin."

"Trump was very uneasy," Stanton said. "Usually, he comes over as this alpha male, the most empowered, most powerful person in the room." But on that blustery November day in Texas, Trump was "out of his depth — his hands were just by his side like a mannequin."

-snip-

"He was playing with his pockets, but he didn't put his hands in his pockets," Stanton told The Telegraph about the video of Musk and Trump. "It’s the anxiety of not knowing what to do with [his] hands."



More, from that Telegraph article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/20/musk-trump-body-language-awkward-spacex/

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As Mr Musk gestured across to Starship, which at some 400-foot tall is the largest rocket ever built, the Republican buttoned up his jacket before checking each of his pockets, which Mr Stanton said suggested he was “a little intimidated”.

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Mr Trump did not perform any of the gestures he typically uses to assert himself, such as his “accordion hand” or placing his fingers together to form a “steeple”. The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.

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When Mr Musk spoke, it was with his palms open and arms outstretched in a display of openness and confidence.

By contrast, Mr Trump, who looked out of his element despite his trademark “Make America Great Again” cap, kept his hands down and nodded stiffly.

-snip-



I'm guessing part of this is that Trump knew he couldn't sound very impressive talking about rockets.

Musk does seem to be dominating him. I've seen a lot of videos of the two of them together elsewhere in which Musk was doing 90% of the talking, with Trump just nodding occasionally.

But Trump doesn't seem nearly as submissive around Musk as he was with Putin at Helsinki, when he looked like frightened puppy after their private talk.
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Body Language Expert Says Trump Is Acting "Submissive" Around Musk (Futurism) (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2024 OP
Freudian Interpretation mr715 Nov 2024 #1
Just as he does around vlad. niyad Nov 2024 #2
That's just what I was going to say. We have Cha Nov 2024 #10
I remember that disgusting image vividly. niyad Nov 2024 #13
Yeah, that's one. Cha Nov 2024 #14
Trump has always been queen of the betas Johonny Nov 2024 #11
"queen"??? niyad Nov 2024 #12
Yep. You can tell who's the "alpha." calimary Nov 2024 #25
Because Eloon is his handler FHRRK Nov 2024 #3
Chain of command gab13by13 Nov 2024 #4
+1 dalton99a Nov 2024 #18
Musk is a stand in for Putin and Trump knows it? Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #5
Ha ha ha .... Rump is so shy around his boss. A Weak little boy. Trueblue1968 Nov 2024 #6
OT: "star-crossed" means the stars/fates/destiny are lined up against you. eppur_se_muova Nov 2024 #7
' The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.' elleng Nov 2024 #8
Well, Trump wanted Stormy Daniels to spank him. surfered Nov 2024 #9
I wonder where they will spend next Pluterday? JanMichael Nov 2024 #15
Later that day Putin joined them flamingdem Nov 2024 #16
I really hope Trump sees this!!! It needs a lot of attention! nt Quixote1818 Nov 2024 #17
YES! catchnrelease Nov 2024 #26
Same as when he's with PUTEEN UTUSN Nov 2024 #19
I think it's obvious JI7 Nov 2024 #20
This makes me think Trump knows that Musk won him the election. . Tribetime Nov 2024 #21
That makes sense and would explain a lot. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #23
Exactly. ShazzieB Nov 2024 #28
can you even IMAGINE the quandary for Trump Skittles Nov 2024 #22
drumpf "kept his hands down and nodded stiffly" JoseBalow Nov 2024 #24
The picture in the plane with eloon also showed that. duncang Nov 2024 #27
Vice President tRump Blue Owl Nov 2024 #29
My suspicion is that Trump was bored misanthrope Nov 2024 #30
Everyone is talking about this BoRaGard Nov 2024 #31
The Incredible Rump and Magnificent Musk. The ultimate criming team! Buns_of_Fire Nov 2024 #32

mr715

(3,564 posts)
1. Freudian Interpretation
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 2024

He is subconsciously playing with his pockets and acting submissive because he is associating his personal worth with wealth, and is a fraction of Musk's worthweath.

Cha

(319,062 posts)
10. That's just what I was going to say. We have
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:44 PM
Nov 2024

the pic somewhere. I saw it on DU several times but can't find it now.

Johonny

(26,173 posts)
11. Trump has always been queen of the betas
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:48 PM
Nov 2024

He is subservient to anyone that he thinks has a power hold on him. He is easy to manipulate. Basically the whole world knows it, but the American voter.

eppur_se_muova

(41,932 posts)
7. OT: "star-crossed" means the stars/fates/destiny are lined up against you.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 2024
The terms "star-crossed" and "star-crossed lovers" refer to two people who are not able to be together for some reason. These terms also have other meanings, but originally mean that the pairing is being "thwarted by a malign star" or that the stars are working against the relationship.[1] Astrological in origin, the phrase stems from the belief that the positions of the stars ruled over people's fates, and is best known from the play Romeo and Juliet by the Elizabethan playwright William Shakespeare. Such pairings are often said to be doomed from the start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-crossed


People who write for a living should know these things.

(I'm hoping it turns out to be accurate in this case.)

elleng

(141,926 posts)
8. ' The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.'
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:42 PM
Nov 2024

catchnrelease

(2,151 posts)
26. YES!
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:29 AM
Nov 2024

Spread it far and wide. If trump hears it enough he should get mad and send leon packing.

Skittles

(171,698 posts)
22. can you even IMAGINE the quandary for Trump
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:39 PM
Nov 2024

Trump has to suck up to Elon who is worth WAY more money than him

duncang

(3,767 posts)
27. The picture in the plane with eloon also showed that.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:33 AM
Nov 2024

Eloon with a big smile donnie looks like he’s scowling. I wouldn’t doubt he’s also jealous of eloon. Honestly I wouldn’t doubt donnie will see if he can take eloon down while he’s in the WH. All the talk that’s been focused on eloon is sure to upset him.

misanthrope

(9,495 posts)
30. My suspicion is that Trump was bored
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:50 AM
Nov 2024

Hard for him to be the center of attention when he is around others who are far richer and smarter. Plus, he has no intellectual curiosity.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
32. The Incredible Rump and Magnificent Musk. The ultimate criming team!
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:13 AM
Nov 2024

Along with the Incel League of America, can they be stopped? Only Stan Lee might have been able to work with this, and he's not here to help.

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