Dying on the Altar of Compromise

[maxrandb]

Democrats have spent 50 years trying to find "common ground" with a political party and movement that would gleefully murder our families while they slept.

Democrats believe that the ONLY way American democracy survives, is if we can find some "compromise".

It explains why Dems can win the presidency, and majorities in the House and Senate, and gladly give a "seat at the table" to Retrumplican policy goals; but, when Retrumplicans win with 50.1% of the voters, it's "my way, or the highway snowflakes".

I don't know about you, but my desire to compromise for the "common good" died the first time this FUCKING moron was selected.

We've been at war with people, including some of our own "friends, families and neighbors", that would gleefully murder us if it would make eggs a dime cheaper.

There will be no "coming back from this".

History will show if American democracy is worth fighting for. It will show if decency, respect, empathy, compassion, honor, integrity, law and freedom survives, or dies.

Thankfully, I am old and won't likely be around to see how it all "works out", but let's just say; "I'm not hopeful"

[Dennis Donovan]

1. I'm 3/4 of the way thru my life

Glad I had my fun. I'm ready to go whenever.

[MuseRider]

27. Same

[OldBaldy1701E]

2. Me either. (n/t)

[gab13by13]

3. I remember back when Barack Obama was elected

The next day Mitch McConnell met with Senate Republicans and they all took a vow to go against anything that President Obama proposed.

It has been that way ever since.

[TheKentuckian]

6. It was already broken well before Obama.

This was set in concrete with Gingrich and his Contract in America and was probably already the right wing world view at least back to Carter but partially obscured by Reagan and Bush being locked in anyway.

As soon as Clinton won they have been absolutely abysmal since.

[ReRe]

60. Also on the day they met

they vowed to not allow Obama a second term.

[displacedvermoter]

76. Is that before or after Obama said we needed to

look forward, and not backward, in regards to Bush/Cheney crimes and corruption? The Republic has never been right since, accountability only being something Democrats are held to, by Democrats and Republicans.

[ReRe]

79. I don't know when Obama said

what you are referring to (in his acceptance speech?) But you are right. Issues need to be taken care of when they are at hand, NOT handled with a "looking forward and not backward" stance. Do you think they (the Obama Admin.) looked at it as a COG move, since the economy & all-around morale of the entire country was in the crapper? All I know is common sense: if you don't take care of such crimes when you are in the driver's seat, you are complicit. COG is the problem, IMHO.

What I was referring to above was what McConnell et al plotted on the night Obama was elected. And we didn't know about that meeting until sometime later,

[displacedvermoter]

81. It was pretty much a rhetorical question

It was said early on his Presidency, and it set the tone for letting the Republicans get away with murder (both literally and figuratively) for almost two decades.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company never suffered consequences for their crimes. Trump will never suffer for his.

[ReRe]

82. i hope you are wrong about Trump

[bucolic_frolic]

4. All true but some must still try to find a way out, or to head off this beast

We must find a way to try to get inside the MAGA mind and alter its path. I don't see MAGA as much different from the McCarthy era, 1950s. MAGA needs to focus on the future, the world they create for us and for themselves as well. To stop with the anger and ego and rage and realize life runs on logic, daily performance, building a future.

I say don't engage with them. Confronted with their warped ideas, just ask then "What's that gonna do for you?" and walk away. I'd call this SHOCK & SHUN. Ignore them. Let them know you don't agree without arguing. They love arguing and dominance. Give them neither. Treat them like mental patients. Because that's what they are. Their minds have been so abused by Q and MAGA illogical rhetoric, gaslighting, stonewalling, and Donnie braying in a raspy throated voice mumbling weird ideas.

[pimpbot]

11. Only way to stop it

Is to let it kill itself. The group of far right wierdos + disengaged social media users (Joe Rogan types) = GOP control. The wierdo group will never go away, so we will have to wait for the disengaged group to figure out that voting for circus clowns, because they might provide us some lolz, isn't in the best interest of the USA.

We know all of the extreme policies being talked about are bad for us. The question is how well the GOP can frame the results. If they create a false-truth that GOP isn't responsible for the bad things happening, we are totally screwed. They are experts at propaganda.

[Just Jerome]

16. Mental patients, hmmmmm?

No wonder I’ve been feeling like I’m back at the old psych unit I retired from.
Not even getting paid for this shit!

[louis-t]

36. My plan is to give the maga I work with some hints.

"You know that little subsidy that you get for your health insurance? Say good bye to that. You are 2 years away from getting medicare. It may not look the same by the time you are eligible and all that money you paid into it since you were a teenager will disappear."

[ancianita]

37. You're right, of course. Like Biden says, we can't just walk away from them. Still, they're predictable as rain.

Ask them pointed questions about their future and they don't want to think on that or even hear what any pro-democracy American thinks. It's easier for them to just believe what they've been told to believe.
But at every opportunity we have to at least try, even with the 24/7 media reinforcing their distrust of government in the abstract, which, internalized, media know becomes their almost intractable belief.

[Autumn]

40. I walked away from 8 members of my family this election . I have no problem walking away from

magats and their enablers.

[ancianita]

43. I sympathize. I have such members, too. Thing is, they're still out there in the dark.

Shining a little light on that doesn't hurt us, and could help them. If the opportunity arises, it costs nothing when done in a kindly way.

[Autumn]

46. The family members I cut out are not in the dark. They are well aware.

Racism, they got theirs, and their god guides trump. I don't know of one Magat who voted for trump that doesn't know exactly what he is and what he has said he's going to do. They thrive on his hate. None of them are in the dark. I will give them what they have given to others.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Joe Biden is a good and decent human being

I'm not - so I can!

I've dropped people be they were mean to animals, ate pineapple on their pizza, and held their fork wrong.

This is a no brainer for me.

[Martin Eden]

5. We are indeed in a war. To win it, we need allies.

The Democratic Party must not normalize or compromise with the fascists in our government.

But for each of us in our personal relationships, I offer this advice:

Don't burn bridges with family, friends, and associates.

They, along with everyone else (except perhaps the oligarchs) will be hurt by what's coming in the next four years. There will be opportunities to swing the pendulum back our way.

There is nothing to be gained by alienating potential allies. I've been very tempted to send an email to family members who voted for Trump, excoriating them for their stupidity. But that would help nothing, and ruin what once was and possibly could be again.

Many if not most Trump voters don't realize they voted against their own best interests, but they're going to find out. The hard way. I understand the desire to rub their faces in it.

Shall we ruin the holidays and formerly good relationships?

That would only bring more pain, and regrets.

[TheKentuckian]

9. This is silly and just the interpersonal version of bought partisanship

The "fever" ain't breaking, pal.

These dumb motherfuckers DO NOT LEARN AND THEY ARE THE ENEMY.

The politicians have no power without them and if the politicians attempt to be reasonable in anyway the inmates start flinging poo. They even booed Chump's monkey ass off the stage when he tried to promote the Covid vaccine.

At the very best, if the pain is severe enough they will cautiously take our collective hand off the stove and allow us to treat the worst of the burns before insisting on mashing the mitt into the burner even harder at the first sign of feeling better.

You just love your favorite pieces of shit over humanity, self determination, equality, broad prosperity, and progress.

Enjoy your fucking yams.

[gab13by13]

12. Absolutely

The Republican party should be designated a terrorist organization.

[Just Jerome]

18. Its been a crime syndicate for years.

And so they evolve.

[MichMan]

51. Then what?

What would be the end game?

Arrest all the Republican elected officials and charge them with terrorism?

What about the voters who voted for them? Throw them in jail too?

[Martin Eden]

21. Don't tell me what I love.

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And I won't tell you what to shove.

Or where to shove it.

[TheKentuckian]

53. I just repeated what I percieve was put out and gets put all the time by the comity crowd.

Mmmhmmmm....that's some goood gravy.

A decades worth of listening, loving, holidays, reaching out, and hundreds of editions of Bumblefuck Diner have yielded only more ruinous cultists.

They need real life consequences not pie in the sky coddling.

Kumbaya doesn't work on these monsters so it only can be about buisness other than the nation's common good and makes pretty clear that when it really comes down to where the real solidarity is going to be.

So, I don't care what I am told to shove or where, I'm not on anyone's plantation so I don't acknowledge any directives from any overseers or bosses.

[Martin Eden]

59. You perceive a lot of things I did not say, nor implied

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But hey, you have a good imagination so you might as well build some strawmen to knock down or set afire. You're burning bridges anyway, might as well keep putting that torch to good use.

If it feels good do it, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're dispensing real world consequences.

FAFA is coming their way, because the fascist fire brigade will torch a lot more than personal relationships among the people. Inflation will soar, jobs and health insurance will be lost. The coming dumpster fire will make 2017-2021 look like a bic lighter.

But sure, let's keep their hatred focused on us. Let's keep feeding the bitter angels of our nature, beause our anger is righteous. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying we will need allies to defeat fascism.

The most successful strategy in war is Divide and Conquer. The American people are bitterly divided because that is exactly want the fascists and oligarchs want and need. They've been driving wedges for decades with their increasing hold over the media landscape.

But you keep going ahead, driving wedges.

Donald Trump and his billionaire backers are happy when volunteers like yourself help them with that task.

[TheKentuckian]

73. They aren't my allies. They are the facsist's and the fuel for the fire in which we burn.

I wasn't stirring this shit, you don't get to transfer your friend's and family's doings to me with some old bullshit about wedges.

No sir. They built it. They own it.

Enjoy your fucking yams if you must but leave me out of your mouth as some flimsy ass excuse for their stupidity and low character.

Wedges?

Take rhat joke of a finger pointing move to a comedy special somewhere but it is way more sad than funny but the idea they are fixing to be allies is fucking hilarious!

[Martin Eden]

78. "THEY" are not a monolithic block.

THEY are not all knuckle dragging Magats, or Christo-fascist hypocrites, or racist assholes, or Steve Bannon nihilists who want to burn it all down.

Though, of course, many of them are.

And many are not, though you apparently have a compelling need to paint them all with the same brush.

Right now, before the feces really hits the fan and sprays us all in the face, I can state with near certainty that ZERO TRUMP VOTERS ARE OUR ALLIES in the war against American fascism.

Not the few in my family who swallowed some of the orange kool-aid.

Not my associates at work whom I've known for years and deemed reasonably intelligent decent human beings.

Not my wife's colleagues at the high school who were raised Republican and have always voted that way.

How many of those folks actually desire to inflict harm on me, my wife, and children; understand what American fascism looks like; and can smell the feces heading our way?

Though I can't see directly into their hearts (neither can you) I would bet the number is very small among the people my wife and I have known.

When the economic hardship of Trump’s agenda hits them in the face and the stench is deep in their nostrils, a lot of them will see the cause and effect. Those who do will be more ready for change than they were when the price of eggs made their breakfast more expensive.

Just as feces occurs, shit changes. So do the whims of American voters, especially those who are not students of history and don't have a firm grasp on how government works. They will place blame, then reach for the next shiny object. Most of them are not nearly as preoccupied with politics as we here at DU. That includes a not insignificant chunk of the Democratic base that stayed home Nov 5.

Potential allies.

The only thing burning bridges will accomplish is to fill their hearts with as much hatred towards us as you're directing at them now.

Divide and Conquer is the most effective strategy the real enemies of American democracy employ.

That much I can state with certainty.

[AlanAdam]

86. Mmmm, I like yams. n.t.

[summer_in_TX]

24. Yes, there's a world of potential allies.

Not the hard core ones, but millions aren’t hard core. Some are only in the R camp because they know their friends and family are and they don’t pay attention to politics.

I’ve wondered if a letter of prophecy rather than blame, focused on what we expect to see would set things up so that when they start coming to pass they’ll be primed to see it through our frame, not the administration’s. Maybe some eyes will begin to open then.

[Martin Eden]

26. That's not a bad idea, if done with kindness

It costs nothing to be kind, and does not require compromising or abandoning the fight against fascism.

IMO it can be a calculated strategy to recruit allies -- a strategy that may require some for many to embrace, because emotions are still running high.

[Autumn]

48. They are already going by prophecy, That nasty ass fucking sack of pus is the son of their god.

Returned to save this country from the nasty immigrants and godless Democrats.

[ancianita]

50. Agree. Over the holidays, practice patience,

take deep breaths and "keep the faith." Sharing food & drink leads to sharing facts and understandings, maybe growing goodwill and peace.

While there might be violent skirmishes in places, but that's something law enforcement can control, and hopefully there will be more peace near us, who practice good will.

[TheKentuckian]

54. You can't fix stupid.

If they haven't even glimpsed by now, they are not about to actually learn anytime soon.

It is a White Nationalist crime syndicate, theocratic domestic terrorist organization and an unrepentant and insane death cult of supremely selfish brazen assholes.

Hell, the "hope" is that some of them will fess to the iron jaw gnawing their own asses and pump the brakes.

This shows that even those holding on to the delusion they can or will change are depending on self interest forcing them to do so rather than any redeeming qualities these cretins bring to the table.

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

28. If the relationships were "formerly good" then they're already damaged...

...if not ruined.

My holidays SUCKED after 16 years of duking it out with my MAGA in laws. I mean SUCKED. I won't go into my places of employment.

I agree not to seek to burn bridges, unless they go full MAGA on you and begin ridicule or trying to harm you in big or small ways.

If they refuse to accept your right not to hang out with them, then you should burn the bridges because once they start getting into KKK, Nazi shit - we should get away from them, and they need to know why.

Hate Republicon radio has turned disagreeing with liberals into a sport, like being on a middle school playground and I don't do juvenile behavior or magical thinking.

At some point it is our responsibility to shun them. NO, school shootings is NOT "the price of freedom", but they love "teh babiessss...."

What a crock, and if I didn't challenge those who think that way, am I an enabler? Am I the one who didn't speak up when they came for Jews, then communists, then gays, then women, then the mentally incapable?

At some point you have to stand up and avoiding them is our right and I argue freaking duty, when they cross into dangerous shit, like oh.... pretending you love freedom while trying to overthrow America?

Good grief man, I applaud your desire for civility and a better future, but it is up to US to try and pretending to like and respect people who want to do you harm is a mistake.

[Martin Eden]

32. We all have different family experiences and relationships

My family essentially consists of my sister, my four 1st cousins, and their children. We were like siblings growing up, with many good shared memories.

At 67, I'm the youngest. My sister is in ill health. An older female cousin is dying of cancer. The conservative/libertarian cousin is nearest to my age. He and I were closest when we were all together. Now he has advanced Parkinsons, barely able to walk or talk without severe stutter. His sons voted for Trump. Josh is very nice guy, we've gone on some hiking trips together. Tim is the youngest, quiet type. Tony is the oldest, politically strident. Moved to Texas, associate professor of political science. He is beyond persuading.

Bottom line, I don't want to make things worse for family members nearing the end of their life journey.

Especially when there is nothing to be gained by unleashing my anger and contempt at the few who voted for the vile orange fascist.

[Autumn]

42. I walked away from 8 of them this election. I have no regrets and would do it again in a heartbeat.

They certainly do know they are voting against their children, their grandchildren's, their nieces and other family members best interests. They. Don't. Care. I'm all for getting rid of toxic people in my life. Magats are toxic.

[Hugin]

7. Retumplican...

Hmm… That word, RE-trumplican has taken on a new significance. I believe I will start using it.

[Vinca]

8. Well said.

[DownriverDem]

10. Died with former Speaker Newt Gingrich

He is the one that told the repubs no compromise, don't be friends with Dems, don't eat with them and go home on the weekends.

[barbtries]

13. agree.

let's sing kumbaya with the people who have already put this country through 9 years of incessant pain and pile upon pile of hateful bullshit?!

my brother tried that on me. the details don't matter, but he literally called me on the phone to thank me for a letter I wrote and then laughed and said "the only thing we agree on!" a couple times.

I did not laugh along.

"show them grace" - well that's been tried and there was never one ounce of grace coming back. that's not how friendship works. And now it's so much worse - it's not political any more, it's much more basic.

"alternative facts" are not opinions: they are lies, and they are destructive, harmful, injurious lies.

[moniss]

14. Well said. nt

[BigMin28]

15. This

I don't know about you, but my desire to compromise for the "common good" died the first time this FUCKING moron was selected.

After seeing how McConnell and co. set out to obstruct President Obama by any means on the day he was inaugurated, it was clear compromise and bipartisanship were a thing of the past.

[moniss]

17. Agreed and for the people who say that

they will start to come back around when it gets bad enough I would remind them that these people live in this fantasy world where they watch and revere movies and shows about an apocalyptic future like they are all Mad Max clones and they run around in their camo and have their "survivalist" preparations. They want collapse to come. They'll take, and have taken, steps to make it happen.

[Hotler]

19. When someone punches you in the mouth you don't hug them back for doing it and ask for another.

The repugs wrote the play book for shittiness, all we have to do is follow it and treat them the same way they treat us. I think we should try it at least once during this last gasp of democracy, it's worth a shot.

[Orrex]

22. There are some here who see self-defense as no better than assault

And they happily mock anyone who suggests otherwise.

[Hotler]

33. +1. nt

[Magoo48]

20. When we compromise with evil, it weakens the good.

[paleotn]

23. The root problem there is, we lack a common vision.

That's what unites a people. Allows them to work together and honestly compromise when needed. In the past, that vision was American democracy. I may not have liked Ford, Reagan, Bush I and 2, Dole, McCain, Romney and so on, but I never for an instant doubted their devotion to the American system of democracy. That was sacrosanct. Now, 33% of America aren't interested in democracy at all. They want to play silly word games about democracy v republic in order to assuage their conscience for outright rejecting America's guiding principle. They and we know what they're up to. They're not fooling anyone. Americans thinking that way. Still hard to wrap my brain around it..

There's a point somewhere in this progression where the sides simply can no longer live together. Government becomes disfunctional. Mixing between the sides drastically declines. We balkanize. Within families. People move to one region or another, driven by that balkanization. Then a people formerly splits. There's simply no other way. You can say "it's impossible", "can't be done", but it has been done. Many times. Sometimes violently but many times not. There simply comes a point when the disfunction gets so bad both sides realize it's the best alternative, regardless of the difficulties in doing so.

Are we at that point? I don't know. But it sure feels like we're getting awfully close.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. It's not vision it's money

It's not a lack of shared vision. It's a lack of shared resources and wealth.

All the filthy-rich are on the side of fascism. Fascism or democracy really makes no difference to a group of people who have more wealth than an entire nation. It was the same under feudalism.

All the wealth of a nation under the control of just a few families that pass on their wealth, rig it to accumulate more for generations, leaving everyone else to starve.

And still they had war after war after war. Conning the masses to die and fight in those constant wars. They were always poisoning each other and killing off relatives. They passed ridiculous laws that resulted in more deaths or just more stupidity.

Yeah a few of the filthy-rich like to give out money to the starving. A few like the ideals of democracy but they are NOT risking their vast wealth on ideals. And the filthy-rich know that equality, truth and harmony leads to less power for them.

They are the ones in power. They are the ones supporting Trump and his MAGAts. They are the ones paying for the constant propaganda and manipulation.

They are the ones Democratic leaders have to appeal to in order to get money to run against the fascists. So Democrats never quite make it all the way to the liberal side because they want some of that money and power too. They need it to win.

And it really helps to have the support of the filthy-rich to get elected. That's why that stupid idea that corporations are people too, lead to more inequality.

And little by little, they have taken off all barriers to their ultimate control of the mass of people calling themselves Americans.

It is just going to get worse and worse. More homeless, more hungry and starving people. Fewer and fewer rights. Stupider and stupider laws designed to keep the masses fighting each other.

Then one of those filthy-rich are going to declare themselves king. It's not Trump. He's too stupid and demented to survive much longer. I think Musk is trying to be king, maybe a Koch, maybe Bezos.

The US is no longer a democracy and we need to face that. When Congress runs in the midterm elections, there won't be any change because Dems will not be funded by the filthy-rich. The filthy-rich don't need Dems anymore.

It use to be that the filthy-rich paid Republicans to win elections and paid Democrats to lose elections because they weren't ready to show their hand. They wanted the US to still look like a democracy. But with Trump they have taken off their mask. Now they are going to be truly horrible.

The only way out would be if the military, the MAGAts and the religious got angry and fought back with us. And it would be a big fight because the filthy-rich have all the resources. But we, with the MAGAts, military and religious, would have the numbers.

[Erda]

49. The Civil War

Was one of those times.

We came back from it. We were not perfect as a nation immediately after that War ended, and we still are not, centuries later, but we have improved our democracy. It has become more inclusive and more tolerant of differences.

I think there are more people in our nation who value our democracy than we know of and many of them are Republicans.

We are up against a global movement to destroy the very concept of democracy wherever it exists and allow oligarchs to reign over the world. A large number of Americans have drunk the KoolAid and are now useless. But, there are still some who can be reached. We need our own talk radio as was used during WWII, and other media to influence how we think, and movies that reveal what is really going on (Hey there, Hollywood). We are not powerless. If we love our country enough, we must develop what is really a wartime strategy to save it. And, we have more tools at hand on an individual level, through the Internet. (Please be aware of Pegasus spyware. Ronan Farrow has a documentary on this (Surveilled), now airing on HBO On Demand.) Our task is challenging because we are a nation whose citizens come from every nation in the world.

I think we should build a bridge where, strategically it makes sense to build it, and burn a bridge where it is necessary, perhaps to shock that person awake. Being vindictive is not helpful and is beside the point. We must be thoughtful, clear eyed and act as if each one of us is a general in a war. We also need a collective strategy to move forward. We are NOT focusing on the true enemy. It is much larger than the MAGA movement.

[misanthrope]

80. Two things

1) I don't think Reagan truly believed in democracy to the extent some want to believe. I think he was a shallow thinker who did and believed as he was instructed.

2) The democracy v republic semantics game isn't new. It has been going on since way back into the 20th century.

[FailureToCommunicate]

25. My ancestors answered the call in a previous time of division...

Must WE be ready again?



(33rd Missouri Light Artillery (Federal) Battle of Helena, AK)

[sindri]

29. We lose

when we let them change us into them. Politics is about shared power, consensus, compromise. The problems is that there are also rules and laws which, unfortunately, were not enforced - with emperor tangerine but also members of congress and SCOTUS

[maxrandb]

35. Politics "used to" be about shared power, consensus and compromise

It just isn't anymore. One side has no desire or intent to "share".

And...

If I had a dollar for every institution, court, guardrail, rule, law, norm, or regulation I was "promised" would reign this dipshit in, and failed to do so, I could buy twitter.

[JI7]

38. There is no "our side". Democrats just won't get support behaving like Trump

becsuse Republican base is white Christian racists who have the numbers right now.

Democrsts have a diverse group. Even on transgender issues there are differences among democrats.

[TheKentuckian]

55. You are wrong. Reality scoffs at what your are putting down here.

When was politics about shared power, consensus, and compromise exactly?

Was America great at that time?

[mountain grammy]

30. Agree!

Fuck em.... They "good Christians" would murder me. a Jewish liberal, in a second if trump gives the word, and he probably will..
I'll be 77 this week, so even though I'm lucky to be healthy and going strong, I know the end is near. My husbands aunt, one of the few Dems in the family, says she wants to hang around to see what happens. She'll be 99 in December. Don't think she feels that way anymore.

[LymphocyteLover]

31. Voters always say they want compromise, but never give Dems credit for doing it

Of course the story of our politics is Dems never getting credit for anything

[TheKentuckian]

57. Nor are Republicans ever punished for strident refusal to ever compromise.

The voters bullshit about process but what they want is results and don't really give a damn about how they get them.

Hell, they don't care about results that much if they are told who to blame unambiguously and consistently which we can never get around to until the next election is afoot and the blame cake is already baked because we are always fucking around aisle reaching until a minute before midnight.

[LymphocyteLover]

64. yep-- sounds familiar. It's so freaking aggravating

[maxrandb]

85. It's really not "voters" that always say they want "compromise"

Think about it.

Who is it that's "pushes" that compromise narrative after every Democratic victory?

It's the corporate media. They are the ones, within 24 hours, of a Dem victory, pushing story, after story, after story, after opinion piece, about the need/desire for compromise.

Have you seen ONE frickin story since November 5TH about the need/desire for compromise?

All I've seen is stories about the crazy, corrupt, fascist fucksticks Donnie Dipshit is demanding for his cabinet.

Drama and chaos always outsells competence and compromise, and the media can't be bothered with news, THEY HAVE A SHOW TO SELL.

Surprising, isn't it?

[LymphocyteLover]

87. True, it's mostly pushed from the media. They hold up polls saying voters want compromise but who knows how manipulated

it is.

[Ping Tung]

34. In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. Gandhi

[Autumn]

39. That bipartisan bullshit will be the death of us and our planet. I'm not playing that

game no more. I will not support anyone who seeks that one way garbage. I gave up family members this election and it won't bother me to give up politicians who won't fight for me.

[voteragain]

41. curtain

the curtain is open now.

trump even has the Oz.

I see what I see, and words are not stopping them.

[Bigerhalf]

45. My sentiments exactly. Wake up, we are the bigger half!

Democrats are the bigger half of the American voting population but we divide ourselves into subgroups that all think they are more deserving than any of the other groups and withhold their vote unless they think Democratic leaders are working harder for expressly for them. They don't have magic wands!
Subgroups need to unite and pull together for a Democratic win. Be Democratic Americans united.
And for all our sake's, read up and stay informed !
Exercise your BS detectors.
If you don' t, you are the problem.

[oldmanlynn]

47. The problem is we are a big tent party

I dont know the demographic breakdown but as an example we have perhaps 30 percent of our party is caucasian, 30 percent African American, 20 percent Hispanic, 10 percent asian, 10 percent other muslim, indian, etc. what is important for one group is not important for another. Abortion rights may have been less important for muslims and Hispanics, Israel Gaza was super important for muslims but not as much for others.

Its hard to get them all together. Republicans or those who watch fox news are all together in their views. Hatred for democrats who they think allowed LGBTQ to come out of closet and are ok with abortion which they think caused all the countries problems.

[wryter2000]

52. Currently

Compromise is not for the greater good.

[Blue_Tires]

56. Agreed... No compromise with Trumpers, ever

[orwell]

61. The compromise...

...is with the Oligarchs.

The Cons shamelessly represent them with a new veneer of "populism". They are the de-facto Oligarch party.

The Democrats need them to supply money for campaigns. After decades of wealth concentration since the 60's they rely on them to supply the goods and services that constitute the modern economy. They are in essence "too big to fail." This became a core tenant of Obama's shameful acquiescence to the banking and financial community after the mini collapse of 2008. The joke is that Biden actually started to try to reverse this legacy and you just saw the result...a rapist elected to the presidency.

While there are still many small businesses in this country, they can't exist without the supply chains that the Oligarchs now control.

They control most of the information landscape.

They control the digital landscape.

They control agriculture.

They control energy.

We are all in a delusional state if we think this is suddenly going to revert to 1900's America. It's not.

The only way this changes is that it wealth concentration either becomes suddenly unprofitable or illegal.

I for one am not holding my breath...

[StrictlyRockers]

62. I can't count how many times I have heard this.

"I'm old, and I sure am glad I'm checking out because everything is turning to sh*t now. It's not like the old days."

Almost every old person says this. Keep your negativity to yourself. Things are going to get better and better, like they have for the past 400 years, whether you or I are still here, or not. Stop dooming.

[LymphocyteLover]

65. Yeah, that kind of negativity is very common and I'm not having it

[betsuni]

66. Thank you. It's ridiculous.

[GoreWon2000]

63. This was particularly true in 2000

when they abandoned Al Gore and let W steal the election. If only the uncounted Florida votes had been the votes of wealthy, white male campaign donors, I sadly think they would've behaved very differently towards Al Gore in that case.

[Meowmee]

67. I think what we are facing now is going to be much worse

I understand your thoughts, etc. I don’t think they have a choice once it comes down to trying to get things passed and fighting things that we want to try and stop but yes, I agree we need a more aggressive approach definitely to be taken. The problem is the way the government is set up makes this situation almost impossible to fight.

[Rigpa108]

68. That's why we have the Supreme Court we do.

Democrats fold like a cheap suit when facing republicans. That's why we have the Supreme Court (SC) we do now. When democrats are in power republicans say "It's too close to elections to appoint a SC judge! Let the people decide!" and democrats cower. When republicans are in power "We better appoint an SC judge soon before elections!" and democrats cower.

Is this because republican policies help democratic $politicians$ too? I wonder.

[byronius]

69. Hell yeah.

[Playingmantis]

70. My thoughts

No amount of reasoning or compromise will change them (Trumpers) ..but if Trump follows through on his plans, which he must to please his followers, and imposes a tariff on imports..and deports millions of workers....the result will be disaster for the economy..., then and only that will cause the scales to fall from their adoring eyes

Remember, they prayed for Trumps election and who said..

"when the gods are most angry at men, they give them exactly what they pray for"?

[iemanja]

71. The common ground needs to be with voters

not the GOP.

[TheKentuckian]

74. The voters are the Republicans and are the ones who give no quarter if the politicians make any move toward moderating

they are run out on a rail and replaced with someone more regressive and looney.

If one of their "news" sources tells them the truth they lose their shit and grow anything that will keep the lies going. See the 2020 election and Faux calling it for Bidem and Newsmax surging.

Even Chump is kept on a choke chain if he runs up against the mob hive mind like when they mercilessly booed his orange ass of the stage for promoting the Covid vaccine.

Groups are made of people and not just the ones that seem like Bond villains and that cannot be handwaived if anything is to ever substantively change.
The wealthy and powerful ones alone are a nothingburger and can be contained minus their rabid army of deranged foot soldiers

[iemanja]

75. Why suddenly are there so many more Republicans

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Now than in 2020 or 2008? Why suddenly do democrats lose, for the first time in decades, low-income voters? You can dismiss the electorate all you want. The result will be for the party to be shut out of power permanently, if the party were to adopt your attitude and refuse to change.

[MadameButterfly]

72. History won't show anything

unless we win

[Shrek]

77. "Gleefully murder"

I have to wonder why this killing spree of Democratic voters didn't happen any of the other times Republicans won an election.

[maxrandb]

84. Guess you missed the stories of pregnant women bleeding out and dying in red states

and there was that attack on the capital, where a violent mob would have hung the broken bodies of Nancy Pelosi and AOC from a DC bridge like a scene out of Felugia. Thankfully, Pete Hegseth wasn't the Secretary of Defense at the time, or things could have been a lot worse.

Of course, there were the armed Nazis marching through the streets of Columbus, OH. I am sure they were only looking to peacefully engage with folks of differing opinions. Oh, and don't forget Kyle Rittenhouse...

Oh, I forgot...Donnie Dipshit hasn't spent the past 10 years fomenting violence against his political opponents, and Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Alex Jones and Glen Beck haven't spent 40 years dehumanizing Democrats.

Remember when Donnie Dipshit and his minions cracked us all up with their jokes about the 80 year old husband of the Democratic Speaker of the House getting his head caved in with a hammer? What a "hoot" that was.

The Germans didn't murder the Jews either,... until they did.

Why would I ever think that a man who tried to use violence to stay in power, would bring violence to his political opponents?



Please don't pee down my leg and tell me it's raining.

[republianmushroom]

83. Nails it

Some day, possibly, democrats will learn instead of turning the other cheek, they strike back twice as hard. Maybe ?