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augyboston

(379 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:48 AM Nov 2024

I've been trying to process November 5th and my mind just can't make any sense of this debacle.

Right now, I am embracing tRump Detachment Syndrome because it is my only way to hold onto a modicum of sanity. I won't read anything having to do with this revenge filled frothing at the mouth madman or any of his sycophants who knowingly are following him down the rabbit hole that leads to dictatorship. I have shrunk my world down to my family and friends in order to mentally and emotionally survive.

I've been trying to make some sense out of what transpired on November 5th and no matter how I look at it none of this makes any sense to me.

I am distraught because I've reached the conclusion that the majority in this country are bigoted hate filled misogynistic racists who prefer a ruthless dictator to democracy.

The only hope I will express at the Thanksgiving table this year is that I hope I am wrong and that someone will be able to convince me that this shit hole country is worth fighting for. Right now, I don't think it is and that leads me to the disquieting conclusion that at my old age we will have to find another country where we can live out our remaining years in peace.

Just this week our neighbor to the north said if Netanyahu were to set foot in their country he would be immediately arrested for war crimes. What a difference from this fucked up rat hole that is slowly turning into GiIliad.

I have always fought the good fight by standing up for American Ideals, but those Ideals no longer exist here, so my choice seems clear - stay here under the boot of an authoritarian or go someplace that holds dear the idea that all of us are created equal and that the people should rule.

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I've been trying to process November 5th and my mind just can't make any sense of this debacle. (Original Post) augyboston Nov 2024 OP
So many people are where you are now. Tadpole Raisin Nov 2024 #1
"I am distraught because I've reached the conclusion... Septua Nov 2024 #2
TSF received less than 50% of the counted vote. Hope22 Nov 2024 #10
Yes, but I'm still surprised that he got 49% Polybius Nov 2024 #12
I understand completely. Hope22 Nov 2024 #14
All of us look to Sentinals and some of us become one. cachukis Nov 2024 #3
Just this morning, my son was maptap22 Nov 2024 #4
I would love to share your son's faith. johnnyfins Nov 2024 #8
Guardrails??? Ohioboy Nov 2024 #9
The SCROTUS decides what is constitutional these days. LuvLoogie Nov 2024 #5
Always have. onenote Nov 2024 #11
Suggestion - read up on how propaganda and disinformation works, and how these have been used Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2024 #6
I agree. EndlessWire Nov 2024 #7
Me too, and all I can conclude is that if those of us who have any sense Tumbulu Nov 2024 #13

Tadpole Raisin

(1,977 posts)
1. So many people are where you are now.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:54 AM
Nov 2024

I recently watched a tv show where someone said in another context -

‘Grief comes in waves.’ If so the ocean is churning.

Septua

(2,964 posts)
2. "I am distraught because I've reached the conclusion...
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:57 AM
Nov 2024

..that the majority in this country are bigoted hate filled misogynistic racists who prefer a ruthless dictator to democracy."

That description, mixed with some stupidity and simple ignorance or incomprehension of Trump's true agenda.

Hope22

(4,878 posts)
10. TSF received less than 50% of the counted vote.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:00 PM
Nov 2024

He has no mandate to tear the place apart. I won’t listen to his voice or look at it for that matter. The msm had us eating his madness for four years solid. That is all he gets from me. It looks like many who fed us that line will be out of work soon! Yea! Can’t wait!

Our lack of recounts didn’t help the feeling of drowning. Recount, and reassure the people, whatever the outcome! . But here we are working through the unknown. At any rate after years of suffering the attack from family I will be enjoying Thanksgiving surrounded only by like minded, empathetic, caring souls. I had a big talk with God and she said follow your heart and all will be well! Actually that may be an embellishment.😁🤣 If there is a god she’s rooting for all of us to not give up. I hope that you are not alone and know that you are surrounded by love. Almost 50% of the voters are right by your side. May you have a maga free holiday and feed your soul with the peace that you deserve! We can do this together. 💗🙏🏼

Polybius

(22,117 posts)
12. Yes, but I'm still surprised that he got 49%
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:32 PM
Nov 2024

You know me, I'm not over-confident in the least, and even I didn't think he would get that high of a percentage.

Hope22

(4,878 posts)
14. I understand completely.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 05:17 PM
Nov 2024

It is really hard to believe. My confidence is not strong and that is all I can say about that. Interesting that my fundie neighbor just called to see if we had any tilling that needed done while they had it on the tractor. It’s almost like she got the memo that neighbors need to stick together in these crazy times. Maybe it’s that she had baby killer signs across from my vote Democratic. Abortion rights are health care rights sign this fall…… and last. I’m not hopeful for things as I know we have many low functioning people in our state. ( unfortunately my neighbor is not one of them. One is a doc, the other has a masters in who knows what) That is by design….I have to remind myself. Meanwhile I will breathe and let this stress go until there is something more that I can do. Love to you. 💗

cachukis

(4,080 posts)
3. All of us look to Sentinals and some of us become one.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 11:09 AM
Nov 2024

It is our responsibility to lurk over evil.
Sometimes it is a mother's look or a teacher's reprimand that is our model.
I don't expect it to work on the lost souls, but as it turns out, there are a lot of us on our side.
They are coming to disrupt our high brow approach and many will acquiesce to keep the peace.
But I can't help thinking we aren't wrong, ideologically. We weren't prepared for this mob.

I don't think America will ever return to pre trump. It is lost forever.
It will continue on and we must play a role in its future.

Current migration patterns are evolving where like mindedness coagulates.
I suspect environmental issues, transportation, diversity, health care and education to play a significant role in how our country plays out in the next couple of generations.
Business needs cash flow.

Sanibel Island in Southwest Florida tells a story of what's to come.

maptap22

(278 posts)
4. Just this morning, my son was
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 12:02 PM
Nov 2024

telling me not to worry because the constitutional guardrails are in place and will hold. He said to have faith. I said I did have faith until I saw millions of my fellow Americans vote for a known criminal for POTUS. 😞🤬.
My faith is absolutely shattered.

johnnyfins

(3,986 posts)
8. I would love to share your son's faith.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 01:49 PM
Nov 2024

Unfortunately most of the guardrails have been removed. TSF will be running to the SCOTUS for everything. And they will consistently hand him what he wants on a silver platter.

That said, the one thing all of us can do in the short term is concentrate on the midterms. TSF and crew will be pissing off a lot more people because they have zero interest in governing.

onenote

(46,227 posts)
11. Always have.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:14 PM
Nov 2024

Chief Justice Marshall in the 1803 case, Marbury v Madison:"It is, emphatically, the province and duty of the judicial department, to say what the law is.”

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,940 posts)
6. Suggestion - read up on how propaganda and disinformation works, and how these have been used
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 01:44 PM
Nov 2024

by repressive regimes the world over to attain power and control - things may make a little more sense. We Americans for all our freedoms are not immune to the psychology/science of it.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
7. I agree.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 01:48 PM
Nov 2024

Being drowned in tRump nonsense, hatred, nastiness, and scowling countenance is fatiguing. He's the guy you want to slip away from at a party. He's cruel, evil, chaotic. He wants to be a dictator, but to do that you need subjects. That's not me, and that's not you.

I don't blame those that flee to safety. It's hard to think how to get rid of his rule. It isn't just the next four years of decay he will bring. It's getting rid of him and all his ilk at the end of his second and "last" term. They won't go quietly. But, they have to go. We don't know how they rigged the election. But, if the election is not rigged, we have a lot of public education to do. I think a primary need of humans, and any animal, is to be free. We are losing ours, but we will always need it. So will MAGA.

I despise Trump et al. To me, they are the Fourth Reich ramping up. We will see. We have better people than the TP. Maybe we can outsmart them.

Tumbulu

(6,633 posts)
13. Me too, and all I can conclude is that if those of us who have any sense
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:46 PM
Nov 2024

do not figure out how to annihilate the hate media ( am radio hate, Sirius xm hate jocks, Fox Noise, and all the pundits that get equal time on CNN spouting absolute lies) this experiment is lost.

I read perhaps well meaning members of this board go on and on about how they will never use those sorts of low brow tactics to succeed. What is low brow about telling the truth? These guys on hate media take one tiny fact and blow it utterly out of context.

Then the “liberals” do not correct the lies- because perhaps there are too many of them? Exceptions being Pete and a few others.

Without a real presence on talk radio and something akin on local television, and local newspapers the popular culture has clearly shifted into the exact place the planners of this cultural takeover set out to achieve in the mid ‘80’s when they began funding Rush Limbaugh.

The ridiculous focus on using campaign finances to fund tv ads continues to fail. It leads one to the conclusion that the old school Democratic Party operatives are knowingly wasting funds - for what purpose? Their belief that tv adds make a difference? When the whole electorate has been primed by decades of propaganda that has resulted in this cultural shift, there is no chance that they can make a difference.

It is actually pathetic, along with being heartbreaking.

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