Holy shit. They're just gonna cancel healthcare for 40 million Americans. That is wild.

[Swede]

“I voted to repeal Obamacare, not the Affordable Care Act”.

I wish that this is made up.




https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1gyabns/i_wish_that_this_is_made_up/

[Tribetime]

1. Thanks Fox Lies

Can only hope the push back will cause 4 Rep. Senators to side with us

[Initech]

13. Fox News is a cancer.

We would be so much better off if that wretched network didn't exist.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Fox News helped overthrow our democracy and destroy the US.

They are evil.

[Initech]

46. Yup, we have the fucking asshole in charge because of them.

[GreenWave]

34. Which is highly invasive to the gullible.

If they are gullible enough to believe Faux Noise, they are going to keep saying it.

[Scrivener7]

2. What did I miss? (I shudder to ask.)

[sheshe2]

4. Buyers remorse?

And dumber than dirt.

[TheBlackAdder]

47. Spilit-brained Republicans: We need more births for decreasing laborforce; Let's kill our laborforce

[rich7862]

3. people should take the time to find out what is true and what is not

Our population has been so dumbed down, Americans do not know Obamacare is the same as the affordable healthcare act.

[Xavier Breath]

5. Sadly, that's the level of critical analysis for the rubes in this country.

[JanMichael]

6. Dumb dumb dumb.

[DBoon]

10. They are ignorant and confused because some very wealthy interests keep them like that

It takes a lot of well financed propaganda to make people that stupid

[wnylib]

23. Another reason why they are ignorant and confused is

that we are not doing enough to clear up their confusion. Instead of focusing on how dumb they are, we should put out our own narrative that jolts them out of their ignorance and repeat it over and over.
If repetition of the Big Lie works, why not try repetition of the Big Truth?

We should speak often in all media about what the ACA provides and that it *IS* Obama care. Tell them bluntly that big money interests benefit from insurance companies denying medical care, but that the ACA prevents them from doing that. It protects the rights of working class people to get the health care that their premiums pay for. Yes, address working class people directly. Make it an issue of fairness and justice for people who work, pay premiums, and should get care for the money they spend on insurance.

Same with tax cuts. Tell them bluntly that politicians who promise tax cuts are speaking to their wealthy friends. Then, when the wealthy don't pay their fair share, the working and middle classes get stuck paying for public services that benefit eveyone, including the wealthy who are not paying for it.

Lay out a narrative of truth in how the systems work, but not in detailed plans and economic theories. Lay it out in every day language with easy to see memes and direct the message at the working class. Pull them away from the RW populist message that hurts them. Get them back to supporting the Dems who have their backs.

We have allowed the RW messaging to gain a foothold by not using every day language to counter it in factual memes and sloguns. Yes, sloguns. Message bytes. Catch phrases. They work.

[Conjuay]

29. And yet another "It's your own fault" attack on us.

Thanks for nothing.

[wnylib]

48. Sure, ignore the fact that the American working class, which used to be

solidly Democratic, has aligned with Republicans increasingly over the past few decades because the RW has invested in a massive propaganda program to win them over. That is a sure strategy for us to win elections and promote Dem values. Not.

We can waste time and energy on laughing at the ignorance of RW populist voters and complaining about the RW power structure, or we can undercut that RW power structure by drawing their voters away from them. The choice is ours to make.

Complaining about RW populist, fascist politicians and their "dumb" supporters accomplishes nothing. Developing programs to reach those voters and turn the RW messaging on its head is more productive.

Harris/Walz ran a good campaign in a very short time. The margin of the popular vote is narrow, not a mandate for Trump. So this is not the time to slump back and waste time complaining about "dumb" voters. Yes, their voting choice was dumb, but that means WE have to change the public narrative. Nobody else is going to do it.

I supported Hillary over Bernie, and Biden over Bernie. But Sanders has pointed out some issues and messaging on the economy that Dems could be taking up but have not done yet. He gave some good advice in an interview shortly after the election results. I do not now remember which program he was interviewed on, but I do remember thinking that he made some very good points.

[ratchiweenie]

31. I agree. The reich wing is so good at messaging and we are sorely lacking in getting the facts out to the

average American who doesn't watch cable news all the time. I don't watch the news much any more but I do have DU and I read lots of political sites. Most Americans don't do either one. We NEED to get our act together and find a way to reach Americans who are tuned out. I think they are going to be shocked at what is coming down the pike and we really didn't do well at alerting them.

[Think. Again.]

37. The problem is that the average American DOES watch cable news...

...and there are people on cable news telling lies and spreading propaganda.

Infotainment is the problem.

[doc03]

36. It isn't so much the messaging, except for MSNBC (which is on death watch) they own

cable news. They control AM talk radio and network news. At the bookstore they probably have
at least a 2-1 advantage in political books. We need a Rupert Murdoch. We have Free Speech TV, it
looks like it is broadcasted out of someone's basement in 1950.

[Think. Again.]

38. I didn't even realize that FreeSpeech TV was still a thing.

[keep_left]

7. The Obamacare/ACA non-dichotomy (they're the same thing) just goes to show...

...how dumbed down so much of the American public really is. The subject came up recently on DU once again, in the context of Trump voters now facing severe consequences as a result of their support for the buffoon.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219709687#post13

As an unemployed person, he had supported Trump to “kill Obamacare,” only to realize after voting that the Affordable Care Act, which he relies on, is one and the same.

Here's an excerpt of some man-on-the-street interviews from Jimmy Kimmel Live showing just how dumb and propagandized these people are. Note that this clip is from more than a decade ago, and Trump voters today are still confused about "Obamacare".

https://democraticunderground.com/100219709687#post37

[keithbvadu2]

35. 1+

[Earthrise]

8. Where is the article that describes a bill in Congress to cancel healthcare for 40 million?

My nerves are already shot. Maybe if we post about real events instead of fuzzy aspirational goals that might be kind to everyone who is trying to prepare as best they can and not panic until real shit happens.

I apologize for harshing your mellow - this is my problem not yours.

I’m starting to give up on reading DU because my autonomic nervous system keeps getting activated by events that haven’t happened yet.

[Disaffected]

16. Sadly this forum has become replete with

doom, gloom and FUD. You are not the only one who is fed up with it.

[MadameButterfly]

18. What is FUD

There needs to be a key somewhere

[Mike 03]

25. F.U.D. is an acronym for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt

(I think)

[Igel]

42. On steroids at times.

My kid does this thing--so do a lot of my students. "Catastrophizing." Any molehill in the road of life is a disaster of Chicxulubian proportions.

A vote to end ACA =/= ACA is ending.

And it's a pretty good bet that any bill that over all three hurdles would have some phase-out provisions or alternative pathways to reduce harm for many of those receiving aid at this point. Needs create programs that create increased needs, and taking away something that's possessed is very painful.

[MadameButterfly]

17. While I've said my share of doom and gloom

I agree that this post implies that something has happened with no reference to what that is.
The real stuff is bad enough without making it up.

Working on my nerves and any hope of well-being has been my main and most challenging job since the election.
I finally called up my friend who is a life coach and she told me that we each needed to do only what we had the power to do, even if only an incremental help to the situation. And this might be woo-hoo to some, but she said that if we are vibrating fear we are feeding the collective consciousness of fear, besides attracting into our lives whatever that fear creates.

Since I believe in a higher power and that self-determination is a spiritual endeavor, not just a political one, I am trying to apply this. It's difficult because I've always been politically active and dedicated to political progress. i swear I've thought about buying a gun, and instead I'm going to meditate and visualize the outcome I desire. Not because I won't participate in politcal action as necessary, but we are beaten in advance if we don't take care of ourselves. We have to be resilient and strong. We have to tend to our grief and seek peace of mind where we can find it. So when they implode we are ready to take back the reigns, smarter and with an even better plan than we had before.

[allegorical oracle]

43. It's not as if we're helpless. Over years, I've been a real pain to my Repug Congress

critters. It's fun. And it's a great way to subdue anxiety for at least awhile. The more calls they get, btw, the more afraid of their next election they become. I worked on Cap Hill for two Members and they do keep track of pro and con calls.

Keep hoping we can make them fear us more than they fear TSF. He's a lame duck, now. And they want to stay elected.

[Autumn]

39. "They're just gonna cancel healthcare for 40 million Americans." Future tense.

Words do have meanings. The meme does not say "they just canceled " healthcare for 40 million Americans. Their plan is to cancel healthcare for 40 million Americans. As for the article describing a bill in congress it hasn't been written yet. There is a plan to cut Americans healthcare in project 2025.

[Silent Type]

9. Millions of GOPers are covered under ACA, and insurance companies, providers, etc., make too

much money to repeal it. They might change a few things and rename it trumpcare, but not repeal it. They’ll screw with subsidies, for “better off” especially.

[Jspur]

20. Someone posted yesterday on DU what ChatGPT said about how difficult

it would be to repeal the ACA. The way ChatGPT framed it that it's a very complex process when it comes to simply repealing it. It would take a lot to do it and would not be something that could be achieved easily overnight even with the current republican majorities.

[MontanaMama]

11. My family of three is insured by the ACA.

Our per person deductible is $8050. It isn’t great insurance but it is better than it was when our per person deductible was $21,000.

[MadameButterfly]

19. Yeah, ACA would be better

if not for the Republicans. It's just better than what was before.
Sorry you are living with that deductible. i'm still dreaming of single payer. Hoping that an experiment with dictatorship opens eyes and makes all things possible in the not too distant future.

[markodochartaigh]

12. What many people don't realize,

or have forgotten, is that only a few years ago, before the ACA, tens of millions were without health insurance. The sad thing is, when you provide something to people for a few years they take it for granted and think that it will never go away.

[chouchou]

14. Fox news will blame it on Joe Biden and that woman Carmal Haires...

(Yes, they mispronounced her name once and laughed about it) I was in the dentist waiting room and unplugged the TV. Heh..heh.

[czarjak]

15. Shoulda seen the look on a Trumpbilles face when i told them Project 2025:

Will raise retirement age to 75. Sheer terror if I've ever seen it. Gonna be rough on those short-timers.

[Igel]

44. Can't find that in the document.

Either as "retirement" or just as "75."

I've seen lots of claims that are based on a worst-case interpretation of something that's out of context. "Apocryphal" is a good word for these. I like looking at source documents whenever possible, but I'm not going to read the entire thing (and esp. not well enough to remember details and where things are in it, control-F is often my best buddy).

Got a citation, either to PDF or print-page #? If so, PM please.

[czarjak]

49. Workers and retirees voting R is still folly.

FAFO for millions whatever the truth ends up being.

[Morbius]

21. If the GOP repeals the ACA, my wife will die.

Simple as that; I don't earn nearly enough money to cover her medical needs. I am absolutely sure I am not the only American with this problem. I believe - or at least I hope - that this is a campaign promise Trump doesn't keep. He seems to have grown a little bit of political savvy over the last few years. I think he gets that simply eliminating the ACA would cause the GOP a great deal of pain.

Assuming, that is, they're planning to ever have elections anymore. Which is by no means certain.

[misanthrope]

51. I will die if they screw with Medicare

The medicines that keep my lungs from degrading further cost nearly $200,000 per year, out of pocket. I can't get private insurance and certainly wouldn't be able to afford to buy it myself.

[LisaL]

22. That's what Trump voters wanted, that's what they should get.

Elections have consequences.

[Jspur]

24. Unfortunately that's not how it works in the sense there are democrats who voted for Harris

that will also get dicked over if the ACA gets repealed.

[LisaL]

32. Yes, all of us are going to get it.

But that is what Trump voters voted for.

[Shrek]

27. They'll repeal the individual mandate and call it a win

It's already effectively dead because there's no penalty, but officially wiping it off the books gives them something to toss to the base.

[misanthrope]

50. Wouldn't the insurance industry prefer the mandate remain?

All they want is the freedom to cut loose those with pre-existing conditions. I would think they have no problem with Americans feeling they are required to buy health insurance.

[sop]

28. I remember when it was "repeal and replace!." This time around it's just "repeal!"

[Botany]

30. And this man is happy. Trump is going to burn America to the ground and millions will suffer and or die

[DFW]

33. If there are plans in place to deprive 40 million of us of health care coverage

I just hope that the first 39 million of them voted for Trump.

[Hotler]

40. Wait till they find out they can be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions now.

[LizBeth]

41. Preventative and protection of Pre existing go away with ACA too, for everyone.

[republianmushroom]

45. Swede, that is republicans at their best.