So, Trump plans to fire 15,000 Trans Troops on Day 1. Imagine the lawsuits! 15,000 lawsuits with no defence!

[Doodley]

It is not legal to fire someone because they are transgender; under U.S. federal law, firing someone based on their gender identity is considered sex discrimination and is prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, as established by the Supreme Court ruling in Bostock v. Clayton County.
https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-sogi-discrimination#:~:text=Clayton%20County%2C%20Georgia%2C%20No.,on%20discrimination%20because%20of%20sex.

Report of Trump's plan to sign executive order on Day 1.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reportedly-plans-to-banish-transgender-troops-from-the-us-military/

[elleng]

1. assuming tmp or anyone knows there ARE 15,000 trans troops!!!!

[Doodley]

7. It's only about half a percent of all active service personnel.

[RockRaven]

2. You think the courts will save them?

What is supposedly legal doesn't really matter. What matters is power. POTUS and SCOTUS have it, the rest of us do not. They will do what they want to do, and be bound by no old pieces of paper written by others.

[Irish_Dem]

15. American judges do not care about rule of law, democracy, the American people.

Rich white people call the shots now.

[tableturner]

32. You are 100% correct! They will wipe their rear ends with the constitution, laws, norms!

Who is going to force them to do anything?

[moniss]

3. The overwhellming desire of the GQP

to peek inside everybody's underwear.

[Hugin]

5. We haven't even hit the part of the pogrom when they fire up the very efficient...

“Department of Life” with it’s America wide uterine status postings on X (Eques).

[Doodley]

10. That's the nanny state for you.

[Doodley]

12. Musk will personally see to that!

[sheshe2]

29. He has a transgender daughter.

The bastard said she was dead to him, his own daughter.

[Hugin]

4. One more time, what does trans have to do with the price of eggs?

It’s pretty obvious the McConnellstein Monster is still stuck in campaign mode.

[Doodley]

9. His supporters need to be angry (at anything but his fascist takeover of America).

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[ramedy]

6. Lawsuits? You are joking, right?

King Trump won’t let the specter of a few thousand lawsuits stop him.

[Doodley]

8. Maybe that's what he wants to make it a big issue.

[KS Toronado]

13. No way do we have 15,000 Trans Troops

That would be .008 of military personnel, or basically 1 in a hundred, In my community trans is 1 in 10,000.
National average is closer to the larger number I suspect.

[littlemissmartypants]

14. Yes, way...

Our estimates suggest that approximately 15,500 transgender individuals are serving on active duty or in the Guard or Reserve forces. We also estimate that there are an estimated 134,300 transgender individuals who are veterans or are retired from Guard or Reserve service (see Figure 1).

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-military-service-us/

Widely published statistic.

❤️

[KS Toronado]

16. Went and did some searching, you are correct

I'm thinking the higher number compared to the general population is because the military will pay
for all the costs associated with trans treatment. I'm tired

[littlemissmartypants]

18. Sweet dreams, KS. ❤️

[TommyT139]

19. Besides the Williams Inst data

Before the initial acceptance of LGBT service members (such as it was), there was an above average number of transgender people serving in the military. I'll have to dig it up, but my recollection is that the volunteer enlistment rates were nearly twice the national average compared with non trans people.

The rationale was that, for trans women in particular, there were motivations for enlistment and risk-taking resulting from internalizing societal transphobia. (Remember the old recruiting slogan that was something like "The Marines Make Men"?) Taking on hypermasculine roles -- and risk-taking with possible subconscious parasuicidal undertones -- was a way to 'be a man or die trying.'

That pattern has changed over the years, but I still hear of younger trans people who figure out they are trans in the context of military service, even if they hold off on medical steps until they're out.

Finally, if you do know any trans veterans, please remind them that they should change the gender on their discharge record (DD-214) as soon as possible. That policy is likely to be reversed soon after Trump takes over. More info is at TransEquality.org and through TAVA.

[EarlG]

27. One in a hundred sounds right

That matches with the estimate of roughly 1% of the US population.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

[C0RI0LANUS]

17. The Flag of the Republic of Gilead

All these young men and women want to do is serve their country. That's more that can be said of every single member of the Trump Crime Family (TCF) and busloads of GOP elites who send their children to Paris, while the children of the poor go to Parris Island.

[mucholderthandirt]

20. Hm. Military is different. You generally can't sue the military for anything, so I don't see lawsuits coming.

It's not right, but we could see this coming. There's nothing to do unless the military pulls a coup, which they won't, since the Republicans made sure to move their own people into high places.

[TomSlick]

21. I'm not convinced the Feres doctrine would prevent a suit for wrongful discharge.

First, the Feres doctrine is under considerable attack. "Justice" Thomas has opined Feres was wrongly decided (a part of his antipathy to stare decisis).

Feres does not shield the military from discrimination in violation of its own regulations. The services may discharge service members but only under specific regulations. No services regulations allow for separation for being trans. I would expect the courts to require the services to comply with their own regulations and the Equal Protection Clause. Given "Justice" Thomas' stated opinion, Trump cannot count on a compliant SCOTUS.

Beyond which, the administrative separation processes are administered by judge advocates. While many (or most) may not be terribly sympathetic to trans service members, by-and-large they will not be quietly associated with a breach of service regulations.

The MAGAts should find another way to bash trans people.

[Mad_Machine76]

22. Or

Maybe they should just stop bashing us altogether?

[TomSlick]

24. I thought that went without saying.

There's bashing coming. The MAGAts think trans bashing contributed to their election win. That's why they spent so much money targeting VP Harris support for trans rights.

There is thought to be around one percent of the population that are trans or non-binary. They are an easy target without allies.

Trans folk and their allies are losing the public relations battle. Attacking allies about imprecise language is a poor choice.

[milestogo]

23. Trump IS the law.

[Celerity]

25. 'The law is an ass'

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-law-is-an-ass.html

What's the origin of the phrase 'The law is an ass'?

This proverbial expression is of English origin and the ass being referred to here is the English colloquial name for a donkey, not the American ‘ass’, which we will leave behind us at this point. Donkeys have a somewhat unjustified reputation for obstinance and stupidity that has given us the adjective ‘asinine’. It is the stupidly rigid application of the law that this phrase calls into question. It is easy to find reference works and websites that attribute the phrase to Charles Dickens, who put it into print in Oliver Twist, 1838. When Mr. Bumble, the unhappy spouse of a domineering wife, is told in court that “…the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction”, replies:

“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, “the law is a ass – a idiot”.

In fact, ‘the law is an ass’ is from a play published by the English dramatist George Chapman in 1654 – Revenge for Honour:

Ere he shall lose an eye for such a trifle… For doing deeds of nature! I’m ashamed. The law is such an ass.

‘Published by’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘written by’. In 1653, Chapman’s play was registered, as The Parricide, or, Revenge for Honor, to fellow playwright Henry Glapthorne. Some scholars contend that the play was the work of neither gentlemen and was written around 1620. Whoever the author was, we can be sure it wasn’t Charles Dickens. However, it was Dickens who brought the phrase to the general public. Oliver Twist was an enormous success when it was first published as a serial and has become one of the world’s best selling novels.

[Deuxcents]

26. So..no trans, no women or any other groups he dislikes are out. Will he bring back the draft to fill quotas?

How about those fine young nazis marching in the streets or the homemade militia that love their long guns..he could draft them since their so eager to guard the home front

[Mike Niendorff]

28. Ok, time to start drafting Trumpers.

Either we need those service members, or we don't.

If we have unnecessary soldiers, I'd like to hear that stated directly.

But if we don't, then it's time to draft some Trumpers' kids to fill those necessary positions.

Long past time for them to learn the hard way.



MDN

[Jack Valentino]

30. Possibly some of those troops will be glad to have an 'easy out'---

who wants to serve for a "Commander-in-Chief" who HATES them ????


Yes, it is wrong, and illegal for Trump to do it--
but if I were an enlisted trans soldier,
I think I would be torn between wanting to fight against the wrong,
and wanting to avoid serving the next Hitler...

[orangecrush]

31. Coming from a fucking bastard

Who dodged the draft.

[onenote]

33. Title VII does not apply to the military.

https://content.next.westlaw.com/practical-law/document/Ifd54a071533311eaadfea82903531a62/Title-VII-s-Anti-Discrimination-Protections-Do-Not-Extend-to-Uniformed-Members-of-Armed-Forces-DC-Circuit?viewType=FullText&transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)