When MAGAts complain about being disowned, shunned, avoided, etc by family

[RockRaven]

or friends, tell them that it is the free market of interpersonal relationships at work.

They are against socialism and command economies, right? They are against entitlements, right? Well then nobody owes them a relationship, they have to earn it by doing good useful work every day.

And if they didn't produce what someone wants, then they get nothing in exchange. Their ideology manifested in their personal life. Why are they complaining? This is what they said they wanted.

[MustLoveBeagles]

1. They have the audacity

To complain about the mean old libs when they're the ones who voted for a felon and rapist.

[Think. Again.]

2. It's like they can't even understand that there are reasons people treat them that way.

[usonian]

3. It's called exceptionalism.

I was going to say privilege, but perhaps the former is more accurate.

In short: You have a right to my opinion.

[MaineBlueBear]

4. a free market theory

As demand for toxic people falls, the wails from perpetual victims increases in frequency and amplitude

[Bluetus]

5. The MAGA thing is, at its most basic, selfishness

Everybody has some amount of selfishness or ego to their personality. People we consider "normal" have that in balance with other traits, such that we don't see the selfishness as their/our most defining characteristic.

There is no doubt that a primary effect of MAGA is to unleash the ego or selfishness. Trump not only brings selfishness out into the open, but he celebrates it as if it were a desirable quality.

And to be sure, a certain amount of ego can be useful for people to set goals and perhaps inspire others. But with MAGA, that is completely out of control. It is like a recessive gene that gets expressed. And most MAGA people are not particularly accomplished in their lives, so selfishness has little else to balance with.

All of this is to say that if they feel shunned or disowned, it is probably because they have undergone a shift where they might have been OK to be around in the past, but now they have become unbearably self-centered and self-entitled. The solution is not to try to reason with them, or be understanding of what they are feeling. They do need to be shunned. What they are doing is uncivilized and anti-social, and they should be treated accordingly. Remember that in their twisted minds, they feel validated if they can "own a lib". We must deny them that validation, even if that requires us to address them as if they were 10-year-olds, or not address them at all.

[Skittles]

7. that's what my doc said

they are selfish

[Bluetus]

14. What I am trying to say is that

we all have some amount of selfishness, but most of us keep that in a healthy balance. MAGA has freed people who are naturally more selfish than average, to express that to extremes, making these holiday occasions unbearable.

If that is our situation, we should feel no obligation to interact with these people. We are all feeling enough anxiety over the gloomy prospects the whole nation faces. We have no obligation to add to that anxiety just to be polite.

[Skittles]

15. I've never felt the need to interact with hateful bigots

I don't give a fuck WHO they are.

[Bluetus]

21. Indeed. But I'm saying it goes beyond that

We have no obligation to entertain the ignorant, just to be socially polite. It isn't just the extreme racists and misogynists.

We on the left have always been way too polite and patient, IMHO. We have to start being more resolute in our opposition. I know that is a broad brush, and I am not saying that's how you are. I have no idea, and you seem to be ahead of the curve. I'm just speaking in the general sense. The left has had a tendency to back down in order to keep the peace. F that. That gets us nowhere good. We have to change how we think. If a person's belief system is offensive, then we should say so out loud and not give them any validation by politely humoring them. This needs to be true at Thanksgiving dinner, at church, on the cable news programs, in Congress, everywhere.

[Skittles]

22. I'm not "socially polite" to bigots either

no INDEED

[Trueblue1968]

19. Dam stupid horrible people. If they are disliked, it is their own fault for following a MONSTER

[Skittles]

6. I doutbt they would understand the correlation

easier to tell them it's because they are assholes

[IzzaNuDay]

8. and it's hard for them to hear and understand

when their heads are that far up their ass!

[durablend]

9. What was it they said to us?

"Fuck you and your feelings"

Sounds apt to throw back at them

[NameAlreadyTaken]

10. Block them / cut them off

Anyone who voted for Trump is toxic and always will be. Eliminate them completely from your life no matter what the relationship was. Lock that door and throw away the key.

[TomCADem]

11. This Actually Reflects The Reason Why Progressives Keep On Losing

Right wingers benefit from the sense of entitled in that they are happy to engage and share their views and man-splain why they are right. Indeed, while some might lose their temper, you will more often get the condescending types who are happy to share their pre-packaged right wing talking points with you. Indeed, they don't just stop at the dinner table, but they will march into their local school board or city council to loudly lecture against DEI, vaccination, critical race theory, etc. I encourage folks to check out a local government board meeting and you will see these folks spreading their talking points during public comment.

In contrast, like the OP mentions, many progressives and moderates shun and avoid such debates and stick to the safe haven of boards like this to preach to the choir. It makes us feel good, but our numbers will continue to shrink, while the right continues to grow.

[RockRaven]

12. You misunderstand or misrepresent what I said. The COMPLAINT is being shunned

or avoided. The complaint of the MAGAt is not inherently accurate or true. That is just how they are whinging.

What is actually happening is that MAGAts are an unpleasant interaction/relationship for many people and the market is correcting itself by relationship-consumers shifting their time/attention to better ones.

[TomCADem]

23. Give that About 50% of People Voted for Trump, That Is A Lot of People to Shun

And progressives will need to engage with that 50% if they want to protect past gains or try to recapture gains that will be rolled back over the next four years, and we are not going to be able to do this by hiding out in left leaning forums or by shunning people who disagree with us because we find their views unpleasant.

Personally, I try to talk about their real world experiences, rather than debate the talking points they discuss. I don’t try to score points, but at least get them to think out that their talking points are not as clear cut as they think. For example, “so walk me through how that would work?” At a certain point, they might say to look it up, and I might say that I did, but since they were so supportive of the plan, I thought they could explain how it would work.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

24. I disagree

There is no reasoning, debating or even normal conversation to be had with a MAGAt.

[TomCADem]

25. I wish many MAGA folks agreed with you, but they are diligent...

…about showing at school boards and city council meetings to push their views on people who disagree with them to expand their base.

Of course, there are plenty of maga types who refuse to talk with anyone who does not share their views kind of how you describe, but unfortunately, many maga types also feel the need to spread their views, which as it turns out worked out for them.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

27. True

[Biophilic]

26. My understanding was that it was 38% voted for trump.

Unfortunately they seem to want to be very vocal about their beliefs and believe they are deeply right and everyone should listen to them and do what they say. Not much room for dialog.

[bob4460]

13. Yes, I avoid them because they want to brag about it

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. When everything is transactional for them, transact them. . . . . nt

[tccturtle]

17. Regarding this topic

If you really would like to revel in the MAGA sob stories, then go to YouTube, and search #FIFO. Hysterical!

[Iggo]

18. In 2016 they joyously proclaimed, "Fuck Your Feelings."

Now they care how we feel about them?

If they’re not careful, I might have to accuse them of making progress.

[slightlv]

20. I love how they started out (and even continue)

to call us "snowflakes"... when I've never seen a more offended, distasteful, whiney group of people than Magas! Talk about snowflakes! Look at them cock-eyed and they do a complete melt down! (LOL)