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MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:25 PM Nov 2024

Musk and Ketamine - Prescription for Eventual Disaster

I know a few people who have jumped on the Ketamine bandwagon. Most are depressive types who have been unable to become successful to their own standards. They keep looking for a magical solution that will make them happy, prosperous, and loved by everyone. In a word, they're depressed.

Each of them has found some practitioner who will supply their desire to take Ketamine. And take it they do. It makes them feel better, but they are no more able to actualize their ideas than they were before. Their lofty goals for themselves still slip away, so they take more.

Elon Musk is doing that, openly and publicly. He's championing Ketamine, which will lead lots of other people to do the same so they can be successful like Musk. But, is Musk truly successful? He must not think so, since he claims to be depressed and in need of medication.

Here's the problem. I also know a couple of people who got on the Ketamine train who have now killed themselves in a fit of depression. So, my assessment is that Ketamine is like a lot of other psychoactive drugs. It makes you feel better, but without helping you made good decisions that will fix the root psychological problem you are facing.

Ketamine, like other drugs, are not a cure for depressive or self-destructive behavior. All such medications merely mask the problem temporarily, often leading to making even poorer decisions than you made before.

That's how I'm looking at Musk right now. One hopes he does not convince Trump to start on the Ketamine path. That, my friends, would be very, very dangerous for all of us.

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Musk and Ketamine - Prescription for Eventual Disaster (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2024 OP
My first thought is of Matthew Perry. n/t Dennis Donovan Nov 2024 #1
I think implicit here is a psychological reality/decision-based root to the biology of depression bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #2
That could well be. Masking the natural recognition that you are on the wrong track, MineralMan Nov 2024 #3
🤬 FelineOverlord Nov 2024 #4
I haven't wanted to say it, but GoCubsGo Nov 2024 #7
It's okay to wish the worst on an evil Bond villain BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #13
Musk and his Silicon Valley tech bros peregrinus Nov 2024 #5
"drink baby's blood" is more a rightwing meme than reality. Sad to see it promulgated here. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #6
It happens to be true peregrinus Nov 2024 #8
That is NOT "drinking baby's blood." Thiel's idea is a dumb one, but tech bro Bryan Johnson did get plasma transfusions highplainsdem Nov 2024 #10
Oh yes! Beg my pardon! peregrinus Nov 2024 #11
No one is using baby's blood. Sigh. See this Wikipedia article: highplainsdem Nov 2024 #12
And btw, if you don't know the difference between drinking and injecting, I suggest you read some definitions. highplainsdem Nov 2024 #15
Its Waaay older than q anon Its actually mucifer Nov 2024 #17
Yes. I mentioned blood libel in the post you're replying to. highplainsdem Nov 2024 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author peregrinus Nov 2024 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Avalon Sparks Nov 2024 #33
The intention is the same peregrinus Nov 2024 #19
You're not "exaggerating" - you're deliberately misrepresenting. We prefer rational discussion here on highplainsdem Nov 2024 #21
The young man was 17 peregrinus Nov 2024 #24
It's legally old enough to give blood. It was old enough for a brother of mine to enlist. It is not highplainsdem Nov 2024 #26
The super rich are injecting blood from teenagers to gain 'immortality' peregrinus Nov 2024 #27
The article didn't say anything close to being as deliberately wrong as your "drinking babies' blood" post. highplainsdem Nov 2024 #28
Exaggerating and being wrong on 3 counts is the way YOU missed making your point. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #31
Geez okay you made your point peregrinus Nov 2024 #32
Exaggerating, you say. It's not a long step from "They're drinking babies' blood" Emrys Nov 2024 #34
Actually, if you want to make a point you have to be accurate first. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #30
False on 3 counts: ** wanting is not doing **, injecting is not drinking, young people is not babies. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #29
If what has been said about Sniffy J. Trump, GoCubsGo Nov 2024 #9
Here's the thing about psychedelics MagickMuffin Nov 2024 #14
Yes. Unfortunately, there are those who are earning MineralMan Nov 2024 #16
I wonder evilhime Nov 2024 #22
I really think the orange one should take both drugs and see what happens! kimbutgar Nov 2024 #23
Ketamine also turns out to be very toxic with long-term use. keep_left Nov 2024 #25

bucolic_frolic

(55,133 posts)
2. I think implicit here is a psychological reality/decision-based root to the biology of depression
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:31 PM
Nov 2024

Can't disagree with that. Life is a series of traumas and they all inflict stress on our emotional ecosystem. The body adjusts to that.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
3. That could well be. Masking the natural recognition that you are on the wrong track,
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:35 PM
Nov 2024

though, can be disastrous. From what I've seen Ketamine can do that masking. That's it's danger, IMO.

Disclaimer: I'm an amateur at all this. Take it for what it is.

FelineOverlord

(3,851 posts)
4. 🤬
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:40 PM
Nov 2024

It would be a real shame if Ketamine does to Musk what it did to Matthew Perry.

A real shame.

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
7. I haven't wanted to say it, but
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:53 PM
Nov 2024

I have had the similar thoughts ever since I learned that shitbag was a Ketamine freak. But, didn't want to say it because Karma and all. Not saying I'm wishing it on him... All his money won't save him if things go awry, as they did for Mathew Perry and others like them.

BannonsLiver

(20,594 posts)
13. It's okay to wish the worst on an evil Bond villain
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:33 PM
Nov 2024

I think/hope about the potential for ketamine to do him in all of the time, without the unnecessary framing contained in the OP. There is no “disaster” in that situation.

 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
5. Musk and his Silicon Valley tech bros
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:41 PM
Nov 2024

All suffer from the same affliction. They have wealth beyond belief. It’s insatiable and buying that third Lambo or that fifth McClaren doesn’t quench the thirst anymore. Their depression is rooted in that, when you can literally buy anything in the world the value of those things drops considerably. And it is all a reminder of the one thing that money can not buy and that is more time on this planet. It’s why they do stuff like drink baby’s blood and pour their money into research about aging.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. "drink baby's blood" is more a rightwing meme than reality. Sad to see it promulgated here. . . . nt
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 01:51 PM
Nov 2024

highplainsdem

(62,136 posts)
10. That is NOT "drinking baby's blood." Thiel's idea is a dumb one, but tech bro Bryan Johnson did get plasma transfusions
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 2024

with his teenaged son as the donor, and then stopped that after discovering there were no benefits.

Editing to add a link. Johnson's an idiot, kept his calorie count so low his face started to look older, didn't have enough fat of his own to inject into his face (which would have been a temporary fix anyway), so used a donor's fat, which his body rejected:

https://fortune.com/well/article/bryan-johnson-live-longer-unrecognizable-anti-aging-procedure/

There are sane ways to slow and temporarily reverse aging - diet, supplements, exercise including facial yoga, adequate sleep. Not costing anywhere near the millions a year Johnson spends on his obsession.

 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
11. Oh yes! Beg my pardon!
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:12 PM
Nov 2024

Please, let’s debate the “difference” between drinking baby’s blood and injecting baby’s blood.

highplainsdem

(62,136 posts)
15. And btw, if you don't know the difference between drinking and injecting, I suggest you read some definitions.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:42 PM
Nov 2024

"Drinking babies' blood" is QAnon nonsense - the latest manifestation of what's called blood libel, historically used mostly by anti-Semites. Google it.

There's a lot wrong with some tech bros, but wanting to drink babies' blood isn't one of them.

Response to mucifer (Reply #17)

Response to mucifer (Reply #17)

 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
19. The intention is the same
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 03:48 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)

I was exaggerating when I said tech bros are “drinking babies blood”, is it that much different that they are injecting babies blood rather than drinking babies blood. You missed the point in that these tech bros are sick and metaphorically and actually consuming the blood of young people, again which I exaggerated and called “babies”

highplainsdem

(62,136 posts)
21. You're not "exaggerating" - you're deliberately misrepresenting. We prefer rational discussion here on
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:08 PM
Nov 2024

DU. Facts, not metaphors. I did not miss your point at all. Your point was invalid.

Getting a transfusion of blood from a person old enough to give blood legally and donating it for that reason isn't remotely like "drinking babies' blood."

There are lots of valid arguments to be made against tech bros, and I've made some of them on DU.

Wild, unfounded accusations that sound like QAnon nonsense do not help any discussion of tech bros.

highplainsdem

(62,136 posts)
26. It's legally old enough to give blood. It was old enough for a brother of mine to enlist. It is not
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:34 PM
Nov 2024

"a baby" - and why in the world are you trying so desperately to maintain an untrue accusation that you make DU look bad by posting here? I hope no one is foolish enough to read what you posted and say elsewhere that DUers think tech bros drink babies' blood, or want to.

 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
27. The super rich are injecting blood from teenagers to gain 'immortality'
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:43 PM
Nov 2024

You better get on on the BBC and contact them about their inaccurate reporting. They said billionaires are out to suck young people dry and that they are bloodsuckers. I chose to use a little flair in my description and so did the BBC. So are you going to go after them too?


https://www.bbc.com/bbcthree/article/347828f8-6e7f-4a9b-92ab-95f637a9dc2e

If you’re a millennial, you might have felt for a while now that older generations are out to suck us dry.
To their Yin of affordable housing, secure jobs and actual pensions, we seem to have the Yang of six-figure car garages for homes, ‘gigs’ for jobs, and a retirement age that like a mirage on the horizon, seems to get further away the closer you get to it.
Avocados on toast, external aside, it’s pretty clear that Yang is not doing well in this relationship.
But the bloodsucking appears to have become a whole lot more literal.

highplainsdem

(62,136 posts)
28. The article didn't say anything close to being as deliberately wrong as your "drinking babies' blood" post.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:08 PM
Nov 2024

It wouldn't have been published if it had.

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
34. Exaggerating, you say. It's not a long step from "They're drinking babies' blood"
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 2024

to "They're eating the cats and dogs."

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
29. False on 3 counts: ** wanting is not doing **, injecting is not drinking, young people is not babies. nt
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:53 PM
Nov 2024

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
9. If what has been said about Sniffy J. Trump,
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:00 PM
Nov 2024

and the things he purportedly has snorted all his life, and continues to snort, getting on the Ketamine bandwagon will prove dangerous only for him. He is obviously in poor health, as it is, even without snorting crushed Adderall and Sudafed. And, probably cocaine, too. Throw in gawd knows how many prescription drugs he's on for diabetes, blood pressure, etc. Add another drug to the mix, and it will not end well for him.

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
14. Here's the thing about psychedelics
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:42 PM
Nov 2024


They should be done in a clinical setting. A professional administrator needs to be present to ensure that the patient has the proper mindset to adjust their behaviors.


Cary Grant comes to mind. Here’s an in-depth article about him and his LSD sessions.


In addition to providing a cinematic case study, though, the film opens a window on to a lost utopia of LSD therapy. Indirectly, it spotlights a school of experimental medicine that flourished briefly before the arrival of Timothy Leary and the west coast hippie scene. Between 1950 and 1965, around 40,000 patients were prescribed lysergic acid to treat conditions as diverse as alcoholism, schizophrenia and PTSD. In the UK, Powick Hospital funded an “LSD clinic”. In the US, the CIA tested the drug as a truth serum. Turned on to the treatment by his third wife, Betsy Drake, Grant submitted himself to weekly sessions with Dr Mortimer Hartman at the Psychiatric Institute of Beverly Hills. The effects were startling.


https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/12/cary-grant-how-100-acid-trips-in-tinseltown-changed-my-life-lsd-documentary




MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
16. Yes. Unfortunately, there are those who are earning
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:45 PM
Nov 2024

a living by selling Ketamine and consultations to wealthy people, and even not wealthy people. It's a growing phenomenon. If you have money, you can find someone to prescribe any damned thing you want. Whether it is good for you is apparently irrelevant.

evilhime

(373 posts)
22. I wonder
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:08 PM
Nov 2024

how ketamine and adderall mix . . . could have an interesting result . . . not a good one in a leader though .

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
23. I really think the orange one should take both drugs and see what happens!
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:13 PM
Nov 2024


Maybe it will affect his brain to not be so self centered, cruel and evil.

keep_left

(3,210 posts)
25. Ketamine also turns out to be very toxic with long-term use.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:34 PM
Nov 2024

It causes a really nasty cystitis of the bladder. Doctors originally thought that the ketamine was being cut with other adulterants that were the culprit, but they found it's the ketamine itself (or one of its metabolites). With K, the more you do it, and the longer you do it, the higher the risk. K was really popular as a club drug years ago until young people ended up incontinent or worse due to chronic abuse.

One wonders where Eloon is getting his K supply since he claims to be using it on the regular--apparently recreationally, not under a physician's care.

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