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I know a few people who have jumped on the Ketamine bandwagon. Most are depressive types who have been unable to become successful to their own standards. They keep looking for a magical solution that will make them happy, prosperous, and loved by everyone. In a word, they're depressed.
Each of them has found some practitioner who will supply their desire to take Ketamine. And take it they do. It makes them feel better, but they are no more able to actualize their ideas than they were before. Their lofty goals for themselves still slip away, so they take more.
Elon Musk is doing that, openly and publicly. He's championing Ketamine, which will lead lots of other people to do the same so they can be successful like Musk. But, is Musk truly successful? He must not think so, since he claims to be depressed and in need of medication.
Here's the problem. I also know a couple of people who got on the Ketamine train who have now killed themselves in a fit of depression. So, my assessment is that Ketamine is like a lot of other psychoactive drugs. It makes you feel better, but without helping you made good decisions that will fix the root psychological problem you are facing.
Ketamine, like other drugs, are not a cure for depressive or self-destructive behavior. All such medications merely mask the problem temporarily, often leading to making even poorer decisions than you made before.
That's how I'm looking at Musk right now. One hopes he does not convince Trump to start on the Ketamine path. That, my friends, would be very, very dangerous for all of us.
Dennis Donovan
(31,059 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,133 posts)Can't disagree with that. Life is a series of traumas and they all inflict stress on our emotional ecosystem. The body adjusts to that.
MineralMan
(151,268 posts)though, can be disastrous. From what I've seen Ketamine can do that masking. That's it's danger, IMO.
Disclaimer: I'm an amateur at all this. Take it for what it is.
FelineOverlord
(3,851 posts)It would be a real shame if Ketamine does to Musk what it did to Matthew Perry.
A real shame.
GoCubsGo
(34,914 posts)I have had the similar thoughts ever since I learned that shitbag was a Ketamine freak. But, didn't want to say it because Karma and all. Not saying I'm wishing it on him... All his money won't save him if things go awry, as they did for Mathew Perry and others like them.
BannonsLiver
(20,594 posts)I think/hope about the potential for ketamine to do him in all of the time, without the unnecessary framing contained in the OP. There is no disaster in that situation.
peregrinus
(409 posts)All suffer from the same affliction. They have wealth beyond belief. Its insatiable and buying that third Lambo or that fifth McClaren doesnt quench the thirst anymore. Their depression is rooted in that, when you can literally buy anything in the world the value of those things drops considerably. And it is all a reminder of the one thing that money can not buy and that is more time on this planet. Its why they do stuff like drink babys blood and pour their money into research about aging.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)peregrinus
(409 posts)Peter Thiel Wants to Inject Himself With Young Peoples Blood
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood?srsltid=AfmBOooSpoqZwjNNBK-RQU2GpWY6t6YnMlrNXGbHpVUNhWomutx4yLCe
highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)with his teenaged son as the donor, and then stopped that after discovering there were no benefits.
Editing to add a link. Johnson's an idiot, kept his calorie count so low his face started to look older, didn't have enough fat of his own to inject into his face (which would have been a temporary fix anyway), so used a donor's fat, which his body rejected:
https://fortune.com/well/article/bryan-johnson-live-longer-unrecognizable-anti-aging-procedure/
There are sane ways to slow and temporarily reverse aging - diet, supplements, exercise including facial yoga, adequate sleep. Not costing anywhere near the millions a year Johnson spends on his obsession.
peregrinus
(409 posts)Please, lets debate the difference between drinking babys blood and injecting babys blood.
highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)"Drinking babies' blood" is QAnon nonsense - the latest manifestation of what's called blood libel, historically used mostly by anti-Semites. Google it.
There's a lot wrong with some tech bros, but wanting to drink babies' blood isn't one of them.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)a centurys old antisemitic trope Its called Blood Libel
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/blood-libel-false-incendiary-claim-against-jews
highplainsdem
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peregrinus
(409 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
I was exaggerating when I said tech bros are drinking babies blood, is it that much different that they are injecting babies blood rather than drinking babies blood. You missed the point in that these tech bros are sick and metaphorically and actually consuming the blood of young people, again which I exaggerated and called babies
highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)DU. Facts, not metaphors. I did not miss your point at all. Your point was invalid.
Getting a transfusion of blood from a person old enough to give blood legally and donating it for that reason isn't remotely like "drinking babies' blood."
There are lots of valid arguments to be made against tech bros, and I've made some of them on DU.
Wild, unfounded accusations that sound like QAnon nonsense do not help any discussion of tech bros.
peregrinus
(409 posts)Thats not an adult
highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)"a baby" - and why in the world are you trying so desperately to maintain an untrue accusation that you make DU look bad by posting here? I hope no one is foolish enough to read what you posted and say elsewhere that DUers think tech bros drink babies' blood, or want to.
peregrinus
(409 posts)You better get on on the BBC and contact them about their inaccurate reporting. They said billionaires are out to suck young people dry and that they are bloodsuckers. I chose to use a little flair in my description and so did the BBC. So are you going to go after them too?
https://www.bbc.com/bbcthree/article/347828f8-6e7f-4a9b-92ab-95f637a9dc2e
If youre a millennial, you might have felt for a while now that older generations are out to suck us dry.
To their Yin of affordable housing, secure jobs and actual pensions, we seem to have the Yang of six-figure car garages for homes, gigs for jobs, and a retirement age that like a mirage on the horizon, seems to get further away the closer you get to it.
Avocados on toast, external aside, its pretty clear that Yang is not doing well in this relationship.
But the bloodsucking appears to have become a whole lot more literal.
highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)It wouldn't have been published if it had.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)peregrinus
(409 posts)Now leave it alone
Emrys
(9,100 posts)to "They're eating the cats and dogs."
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)GoCubsGo
(34,914 posts)and the things he purportedly has snorted all his life, and continues to snort, getting on the Ketamine bandwagon will prove dangerous only for him. He is obviously in poor health, as it is, even without snorting crushed Adderall and Sudafed. And, probably cocaine, too. Throw in gawd knows how many prescription drugs he's on for diabetes, blood pressure, etc. Add another drug to the mix, and it will not end well for him.
MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)They should be done in a clinical setting. A professional administrator needs to be present to ensure that the patient has the proper mindset to adjust their behaviors.
Cary Grant comes to mind. Heres an in-depth article about him and his LSD sessions.
In addition to providing a cinematic case study, though, the film opens a window on to a lost utopia of LSD therapy. Indirectly, it spotlights a school of experimental medicine that flourished briefly before the arrival of Timothy Leary and the west coast hippie scene. Between 1950 and 1965, around 40,000 patients were prescribed lysergic acid to treat conditions as diverse as alcoholism, schizophrenia and PTSD. In the UK, Powick Hospital funded an LSD clinic. In the US, the CIA tested the drug as a truth serum. Turned on to the treatment by his third wife, Betsy Drake, Grant submitted himself to weekly sessions with Dr Mortimer Hartman at the Psychiatric Institute of Beverly Hills. The effects were startling.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/12/cary-grant-how-100-acid-trips-in-tinseltown-changed-my-life-lsd-documentary
MineralMan
(151,268 posts)a living by selling Ketamine and consultations to wealthy people, and even not wealthy people. It's a growing phenomenon. If you have money, you can find someone to prescribe any damned thing you want. Whether it is good for you is apparently irrelevant.
evilhime
(373 posts)how ketamine and adderall mix . . . could have an interesting result . . . not a good one in a leader though
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kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)Maybe it will affect his brain to not be so self centered, cruel and evil.
keep_left
(3,210 posts)It causes a really nasty cystitis of the bladder. Doctors originally thought that the ketamine was being cut with other adulterants that were the culprit, but they found it's the ketamine itself (or one of its metabolites). With K, the more you do it, and the longer you do it, the higher the risk. K was really popular as a club drug years ago until young people ended up incontinent or worse due to chronic abuse.
One wonders where Eloon is getting his K supply since he claims to be using it on the regular--apparently recreationally, not under a physician's care.