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citizen blues

(595 posts)
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:00 AM Nov 30

Anyone Care to Wager How Long It Will Take?

How long do you think it's going to take for the pitchforks to come out once...

1. the effect of havinbg lost Christmas bonuses really hits home.
2. they see what a 25% universal tariff does to inflation.
3. they to lose their healthcare and get priced out of the market for their medications.
4. their children no longer have IEP's or 504's or school lunches.
5. an entire segment of the workforce is deported and we're facing...
A) astronomical prices at the grocery store and food shortages.
B) construction coming to a grinding halt due to not having the workers.

Yeah, MAGAt's Fucked Around, and now, they are going to Find Out!

Most of us have MAGAt's in our families or among our friends, whether you continue interacting with them or not is entirely your choice. Each case is different. Some are redeemable; some are not. It's up to each one of us to discern what we're willing to put up with for our own mental and emotional health. Whatever you decide, no need for apologies.

I just want to send everyone on DU warm wishes and support for you to do what you need to for your own peace this holiday season.

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Anyone Care to Wager How Long It Will Take? (Original Post) citizen blues Nov 30 OP
But they can say "Merry Christmas " again! Diamond_Dog Nov 30 #1
Is America great again, yet? Dave Bowman Nov 30 #2
America is great again 01-21-2025 airplaneman Nov 30 #60
Or - "America will GRATE again 01-21-2025". calimary Dec 1 #94
Chaos is the goal. Then they can steal everything. bucolic_frolic Nov 30 #3
That reminds me: tis the season for Fox to begin airing their War on Christmas trope. surfered Nov 30 #4
They will NEVER understand that it was their own decision RainCaster Nov 30 #5
They will believe that it's the "delayed" effects of Biden's economic policies, or * Oopsie Daisy Nov 30 #56
I mean if yhey didnt like Covid, this is going to be a whole nother level ColinC Nov 30 #6
I can't imagine a parent with a special needs child Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #7
And yet they do Bettie Nov 30 #12
they may be too busy moving their mothers from the bursing home into the garage. rampartd Nov 30 #13
I have an adult son with autism kimbutgar Nov 30 #48
My wonderful niece has been helping kids with Abolishinist Nov 30 #52
Wait BonnieJW Nov 30 #17
I remember the end of the polio epidemic. pazzyanne Nov 30 #24
Do vaccines work? keithbvadu2 Nov 30 #76
Damn fools have NO IDEA what it was like! ChazInAz Nov 30 #72
I know several in that group RainCaster Nov 30 #21
A good friend is a special needs teacher in San Antonio InstantGratification Nov 30 #66
Those who voted for HIM, will be the first to COMPLAIN... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 30 #8
A lot of people who voted for him think.... COL Mustard Nov 30 #38
Trump will just tell all his DENVERPOPS Nov 30 #39
Oh, yeah not fooled Nov 30 #50
What happens if they run out of brown immigrants? CTyankee Dec 1 #91
Brexit voters still wont admit they were wrong uponit7771 Nov 30 #63
Wrong. Brits would vote to rejoin EU in new referendum, poll finds Wiz Imp Dec 1 #89
Never mentioned how many Brexit voters but its more than 2 too many uponit7771 Dec 1 #92
About this time next year, I'd guess. It takes awhile for shit to start rolling downhill, Ocelot II Nov 30 #9
It'll be interesting to see who the R's will blame for the upcoming fiasco. TheRickles Nov 30 #18
Sounds about right, although some things will kick in earlier. MineralMan Nov 30 #25
Spot on. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 30 #47
Brexit voters still wont admit they were wrong uponit7771 Nov 30 #64
If that happens, mid-terms ought to be interesting. Silent Type Nov 30 #10
Trump will continue to blame the Mexicans, Democrats, radical liberal socialists (?), Deep State LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 28 #95
Watch for articles that say "Mr, President I voted for you but I did not vote for This" JI7 Nov 30 #11
They did it. It was a package deal. Vogon_Glory Nov 30 #69
"He's not hurting the right people!" keep_left Nov 30 #82
Clean Water What's in your Water R U Ready Oneear Nov 30 #14
They will say kairos12 Nov 30 #15
I have lost all empathy... RealityBasedNewYorkr Nov 30 #16
They'll just blame it on Democrats Diraven Nov 30 #19
Don't forget "Antifa" and the "Woke Deep State" n/t Ars Longa Nov 30 #29
and whatever FoxNews tells them LymphocyteLover Nov 30 #55
Yep, Brexit voters still wont admit they were wrong uponit7771 Nov 30 #65
eventually they will blame it on The Jews DBoon Nov 30 #78
The Magats will be furious... Escape Nov 30 #20
I want a bunch of "I did that" TSF stickers RainCaster Nov 30 #22
Deflection RecoveringJournalist Nov 30 #23
What happens to FICA paid by the Undocumented? alfredo Nov 30 #26
Will go into Thiel and Musk's pockets. AllyCat Dec 1 #88
I heard trump is changing E Pluribus unum" to alfredo Nov 30 #27
Might not matter AnnaLee Nov 30 #28
Can't do any Traildogbob Nov 30 #30
All that will happen... hurple Nov 30 #31
Dont know that they will Figarosmom Nov 30 #32
Republican propaganda will blame Democrats dlk Nov 30 #33
It's a cult. they will be brainwashed to blame us. nt mucifer Nov 30 #34
It will take just a little longer than women dying in parking lots. Runningdawg Nov 30 #35
Thank you. eom Exp Nov 30 #36
The corollary, however, is.... COL Mustard Nov 30 #37
The problem is... sleroy49 Nov 30 #40
How can they lose bonuses in a month? jimfields33 Nov 30 #41
Some workers have been told Hope22 Nov 30 #46
Businesses plan ahead of time for expected future expenses. Mariana Nov 30 #80
They won't care GoreWon2000 Nov 30 #42
Never Cirsium Nov 30 #43
That is so depressing. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 30 #51
They will blame democrats for all of it. FoggyLake Nov 30 #44
Wrong pronoun: MAGAts Fucked Around, and now, WE are going to find out. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 30 #45
Sure, the pitchforks will come out, but they'll be pointed at us, not TSF 0rganism Nov 30 #49
I'm struggling with how to deal with people who thought it was a good idea to vote for the rapist... Joinfortmill Nov 30 #53
Especially when they realize they are now slaves to their jobs because of pre-existing conditions JT45242 Nov 30 #54
We've already done this. J_William_Ryan Nov 30 #57
That's if sanity returns before it's too late. Boomerproud Nov 30 #62
Yep, Brexit voters still wont admit they were wrong uponit7771 Nov 30 #67
I actually hope it happens! Grins Nov 30 #58
I think prices on electronics, clothing, and appliances Demobrat Nov 30 #59
They'll blame it on Democrats and the media will back them up. Scrivener7 Nov 30 #61
Not one to say I told you so. czarjak Nov 30 #68
The MAGAstream Media counterstrikes... Montauk6 Nov 30 #70
I'm leaving stollen Nov 30 #71
Shhhhh! Softly, softly does it! Aussie105 Nov 30 #73
Trump will not impose tariffs. The stupid stuff he will do will not impact the economy. Hamlette Nov 30 #74
I think you are closer to correct than many about this. (nt) Pinback Nov 30 #75
I am pretty sure that dude he appointed in charge of deportations begs to differ. LisaL Nov 30 #77
I'm sure you're right, his underlings still think Trump stands for something Hamlette Nov 30 #81
Does anyone care to wager how long it will take the Trump/Vance team to declare martial law PatrickforB Nov 30 #79
brilliant, timely message... bluboid Nov 30 #83
I'm wondering how long it will take... hurple Nov 30 #84
The MAGAs will never know the truth, the Republicans control doc03 Nov 30 #85
December 2025 at the latest. James48 Dec 1 #86
I've traveled all over the country moniss Dec 1 #87
I wonder how long it will take... bee_peaceful Dec 1 #90
Years, at least 1-2. Ursus Rex Dec 1 #93

bucolic_frolic

(48,477 posts)
3. Chaos is the goal. Then they can steal everything.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:06 AM
Nov 30

Plunder was a goal of Nazi Germany. Passing stole loot up the financial and political hierarchy.

RainCaster

(12,075 posts)
5. They will NEVER understand that it was their own decision
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:09 AM
Nov 30

They will remain convinced by Faux News that it is the fault of the Dems. There will never be that moment of introspection that any intelligent creature would have.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,175 posts)
56. They will believe that it's the "delayed" effects of Biden's economic policies, or *
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 02:03 PM
Nov 30

* that MAGA still needs to root-out the "deep state" that's sabotaging Trump's grand plans.

Dem4life1234

(2,401 posts)
7. I can't imagine a parent with a special needs child
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:11 AM
Nov 30

Supporting this nutjob.

I just can't!


See, I can forgive them for 2016, cause he was like a shiny new penny, a reality show character.

But now? Nope.

Bettie

(17,669 posts)
12. And yet they do
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:26 AM
Nov 30

almost all of the special needs kids at our school are the children of MAGAts. They are going to be shocked when there are no services for their kids.

And they won't have anyone to blame but themselves.

kimbutgar

(24,066 posts)
48. I have an adult son with autism
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:29 PM
Nov 30

And I’m afraid for his future.

I am a substitute teacher and schools are overwhelmed with children who need help and will those programs and aids that help them be defunded.

That said I’m surprised that any parent with a child with specials needs would vote for the orange Hitler after it’s on video he mocked a special needs person

Abolishinist

(2,180 posts)
52. My wonderful niece has been helping kids with
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:48 PM
Nov 30

autism for a number of years. I don't know the particulars, but she travels to their homes vs. in-school, or perhaps a combination of both. She recently went through a divorce and moved several thousand miles away for a new job, doing the same thing.

She is very concerned about spending cuts that could take away this greatly needed service that she and so many others provide, and the impact it will have on those they are helping.

BonnieJW

(2,712 posts)
17. Wait
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:47 AM
Nov 30

Until the epidemics start without vaccinations. I can remember whooping cough. Kids making a funny coughing sound as they turned blue, gasping. Some kids not only breaking out in a rash from measles, but also some may lose some hearing or eyesight. Mumps turning into meningitis and death.

pazzyanne

(6,646 posts)
24. I remember the end of the polio epidemic.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:09 PM
Nov 30

When vaccine was offered in our little town, my Mom had us at the beginning of the line to get the vaccine. And then we were in line for smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, etc. We had already had the following diseases: measles, mumps, pertussis, rubella, and chickenpox.

ChazInAz

(2,828 posts)
72. Damn fools have NO IDEA what it was like!
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 07:49 PM
Nov 30

I had all of those, including polio as a boy in post-war Hungary. I'm very hard of hearing, still have nightmares about whooping cough, and I have a gimpy walk from polio. The Soviet Union wasn't really big on vaccines, even for the families of nomenklatura.

RainCaster

(12,075 posts)
21. I know several in that group
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:02 PM
Nov 30

As well as some special needs teachers. Some will be more screwed than others, but their kids will get hit worst of all.

66. A good friend is a special needs teacher in San Antonio
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 30

When they disband the Dept of Ed, you just know Texas isn't going to make up the funding shortfall. She will likely be able to find work in a normal teaching position but those students and those who have to care for them will be in for a rough time.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,388 posts)
8. Those who voted for HIM, will be the first to COMPLAIN...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:16 AM
Nov 30

About lost wages.
About high grocery prices and low supplies.
About runaway inflation.
About high Unemployment.
About the lack of educational opportunities.
About the loss of Freedoms and Rights that were taken for granted.
About the loss of jobs.
About the lack of affordable medications.
About failing Infrastructure.

And on down the line. My response will be as I too suffer..."This is WHO and WHAT you voted for! You thought that all of this would 'own the Libs!' YOU THOUGHT WRONG!"

COL Mustard

(7,166 posts)
38. A lot of people who voted for him think....
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:55 PM
Nov 30

That the government is just another reality show. It ain't. We have the tanks, the troops, the FBI, the IRS, and oh yes, the nukes.

DENVERPOPS

(10,675 posts)
39. Trump will just tell all his
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:55 PM
Nov 30

mindless, brainwashed, ignorant cult members it was Biden's fault....AND he was left with it, and it may take some time for even him to straighten things out......Giving him more time to destroy America and obliterate the economy before some of them get wise.....

All the MAGAots I have observed since the election, are acting out even more, and emboldened.....especially when driving in traffic.

Like their Mentor/Leader, they think they are invincible, like never before........They STILL have no idea/clue that they are gonna get creamed just like us libruls.

not fooled

(6,154 posts)
50. Oh, yeah
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:35 PM
Nov 30

his delusional cultists will NEVER admit they were wrong, or that he isn't invincible.

Besides, as long as they get their quota of watching brown immigrants get tormented, they will be fulfilled.

Sick.

CTyankee

(65,568 posts)
91. What happens if they run out of brown immigrants?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 1

It is up to a free press to show the people who voted for Trump to see how his policies have FAILED his own voters. Forget the libs and queers all the haters hate, when they turn around and see THEY are the ones whose "ox" is being gored. It will only go for just so long, when the Dems have long been out of power and all that "bad stuff" is taken away from the avid Trump voter. Stuff they need! Meds they need!

Unfortunately, we will all be hurt. My husband is one whose diabetes is being helped due to a med I just hope Trump's people won't price us out. I am worried sick about it.

Wiz Imp

(3,485 posts)
89. Wrong. Brits would vote to rejoin EU in new referendum, poll finds
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:29 AM
Dec 1
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-poll-vote-rejoin-eu-brexit-new-referendum-pm-keir-starmer/

LONDON — The British public would vote by a sizable margin to rejoin the European Union if a new referendum was held, according to a nationwide poll.

The YouGov survey, carried out more than eight years after the U.K.’s Brexit vote, finds public support for rejoining in a hypothetical new referendum stands at 59 percent, with 41 percent saying they would be against joining the EU.

-----(snip)-----

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/30/britons-brexit-bad-uk-poll-eu-finances-nhs

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.
-----(snip)------

Ocelot II

(122,783 posts)
9. About this time next year, I'd guess. It takes awhile for shit to start rolling downhill,
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:17 AM
Nov 30

though once it gains momentum it really piles up. By November of 2025, if the deportations and tariffs have been accomplished as promised, inflation will be too noticeable for Trump's fake government to cook the books. There won't be enough workers to harvest summer and fall crops, so food will be more expensive. Produce imported from Mexico will be more expensive, too. Black Friday sales will be down because people won't be able to afford the electronic toys and other things imported from China. The announcements about Christmas bonuses or the lack of them will have been made. Schools and universities that rely on federal funds might not be receiving them this year, so services and programs will have been cut. College tuition will increase when federal education funding is cut, and the student loan forgiveness program will be gone. Housing and construction costs will be through the roof; wood needed for home construction that's usually imported from Canada will be more expensive, and there won't be enough workers to build houses anyhow. People who can't afford to buy houses will have to rent, and the demand will drive rental costs up. And so on.

Get ready with your "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kamala" t-shirts. Might consider giving them as Christmas gifts next year. Maybe even this year.

Frank D. Lincoln

(894 posts)
47. Spot on.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:27 PM
Nov 30

The scenario you painted is entirely plausible, but I think things will be a lot worse even than that.

Tens of thousands of civil service workers being fired. Musk and Ramaswamy imposing their draconian DOGE budget cuts. The loss of FICA protection on our savings. Employers being empowered to stop paying their workers overtime pay. Veterans benefits being slashed. A crackdown on unions, worker pay, and fringe benefits. The loss of the Affordable Care Act. The return of pre-existing conditions. The privatization of Medicare and massive denials of claims. The gutting of Medicaid and food stamps. Medical bankruptcies soaring. People dying because they can't get access to healthcare. Tax cuts that are going to raise the national debt even higher. The stock market collapsing. Life savings wiped out. Eventually a recession if not a full-blown depression.

All of that calamity (plus what you mentioned) with an autocratic, sociopathic, treasonous convicted felon at the helm who's controlled by Putin and with a Cabinet that'll function like a wrecking crew. All thanks to Trump voters.


95. Trump will continue to blame the Mexicans, Democrats, radical liberal socialists (?), Deep State
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:01 AM
Dec 28

and George Soros for his failing to accomplish any of his promises to the "common man" that worship at his feet.

And they will raise their eyes from their dog food meals, ignore their own children's cries from hunger, and watch their friends' children die because they aren't vaccinated against common childhood diseases which had been virtually exterminated. Then they will join the chorus of GOPers calling for a third T***p term.

JI7

(91,283 posts)
11. Watch for articles that say "Mr, President I voted for you but I did not vote for This"
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:21 AM
Nov 30

it's our job to tell them they DID vote for that . It was clear to anyone this would happen and it was their own fault for excusing what was right in front of them and their hatred for others which got you to vote for him.

keep_left

(2,664 posts)
82. "He's not hurting the right people!"
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 10:54 PM
Nov 30

Anyone remember that? One of Trump's MAGA chuds complained that she got conned in a New York Times article.

The full quote is "I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting!"...Trump's policies weren't attacking the brown people enough, and were in fact harming nice white people like her.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219710807#post50
https://democraticunderground.com/100219566515#post2
https://democraticunderground.com/100218636445#post12
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html

Oneear

(398 posts)
14. Clean Water What's in your Water R U Ready
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:34 AM
Nov 30

The GOP does not want to be a part of Healthcare Without Clean Water to Drink, Industry for Goods, Safe Food Handling Laps, Galvanized Pipe Feeding Water from City water supply Health book on Heavy metals, something to read up on. How did the Roman Empire end?

16. I have lost all empathy...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:44 AM
Nov 30

…and have basically resigned myself to grabbing the popcorn and gleefully watching as various Trump-voting morons get creamed by Orangina’s “policies”

I am laser focused on maximizing my personal arbitrage opportunities in this situation …. Bad for the planet and my kid, but hey, guess we are all on the crazy train now.

Diraven

(1,215 posts)
19. They'll just blame it on Democrats
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:53 AM
Nov 30

And the "deep state", and immigrants, and communists, and gays, and George Soros, and feminists, and the media, and...

DBoon

(23,411 posts)
78. eventually they will blame it on The Jews
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 09:20 PM
Nov 30

because that is where all right wing conspiracies end, and have ended for hundreds of years.

Escape

(100 posts)
20. The Magats will be furious...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:58 AM
Nov 30

..with the Democrats. Trump will tell them it's Biden's fault or whichever Democrat or liberal he hates the most at the time.

100% of his followers will believe him.

There isn't ever gonna be a time when Trump supporters will be sorry they voted for him. That isn't the way cults operate.

RainCaster

(12,075 posts)
22. I want a bunch of "I did that" TSF stickers
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:07 PM
Nov 30

Remember those Biden stickers that the MAGAts would put on the gas pumps? I want to see those with the Orange Jesus on them. I would put them all over the grocery stores and gas stations.

23. Deflection
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:08 PM
Nov 30

I'm hoping this happens. However, I also see a strong possibility that Cheeto Benito and his minions will frame it in such a way to make it liberals'/ Democrats' fault. And since Trumplicans believe every word from his facial sewer pipe, they'll buy it without question, leading to the real potential for violence.

I PRAY that I am wrong.

Traildogbob

(10,545 posts)
30. Can't do any
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 30

Gambling.
Gonna need all those damn Pennie’s I got in jars I thought were useless, to buy an egg or two to survive. Thank God I don’t eat pig.
Possum bacon will work.

hurple

(1,334 posts)
31. All that will happen...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:30 PM
Nov 30

And Fox News will convince them to blame the dems. As usual.

We are in the middle of one of the greatest economic recoveries in the history of this nation, thanks to the Biden administration, yet Fox convinced them we were on the road to ruin, and they bought it hook line and sinker. You think that won't keep happening?

Until we have a progressive news network as far reaching as.fox, and reich-wing talk radio, we will continue to lose. Absolutely.

Figarosmom

(4,224 posts)
32. Dont know that they will
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:31 PM
Nov 30

Musk and trump are taking over all t h e communications they can.

THEY WILL COVER THEIR TRACKS VERY WELL. THEY WILL CONVJNCE THE FAITHFUL THAT ITS NOT AS BAD AS IT REALLY IS. And they will believe them.

COL Mustard

(7,166 posts)
37. The corollary, however, is....
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:52 PM
Nov 30

How long will it take TSF and his henchmen to blame the Democrats? And how many MAGATs will fall for it?

sleroy49

(49 posts)
40. The problem is...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:00 PM
Nov 30

The problem is they'll be pointing the pitchforks at the wrong people. They'll blame Democrats, minorities, etc., but never whom they should. Blaming others is basically the Republican platform.

Hope22

(3,463 posts)
46. Some workers have been told
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:21 PM
Nov 30

That due to the coming tariffs the businesses were forgoing bonuses in order to purchase needed product before the tariffs are implemented. This could possibly save a few jobs down the road.

Mariana

(15,301 posts)
80. Businesses plan ahead of time for expected future expenses.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 09:38 PM
Nov 30

Even so, I have to wonder if any of those stories are real. None of them seem to be first-person accounts. It's always third-hand accounts about "my neighbor's cousin" or "my brother-in-law's friend" or whatever.

GoreWon2000

(1,191 posts)
42. They won't care
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:12 PM
Nov 30

The rich, unqualified, racist, white male rapist women haters are in charge. That's all they care about, no matter how miserable the magas make their individual lives.

Cirsium

(1,664 posts)
43. Never
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:13 PM
Nov 30

There will never be any regret.

Look to history and read what William Shirer discovered when interviewing everyday Germans after WWII. Every German city lay in ruins and millions had been killed. Did they have any regret about supporting the Nazis? Did they f around and find out? Were they sorry?

"There was so much that was true that did not make sense: the monumental apathy of the German people and their deep regret, not that they had started the war, but merely that they had lost it; their whining complaints at the lack of food and fuel and their total lack of sympathy or even interest in the worse plight of the occupied peoples, for which they bore so much responsibility; their boredom at the very mention of the Nuremberg trial, which they were convinced was only an Allied propaganda stunt; their striking unreadiness for, or interest in, democracy, which we, with typical Anglo-Saxon fervor and blindness, were trying to shove down their throats."

― William L. Shirer, End of a Berlin Diary

Their deep regret was not that they had started the war, not that millions of innocent people had been killed, but merely that they had lost the war. Let that sink in.

0rganism

(24,858 posts)
49. Sure, the pitchforks will come out, but they'll be pointed at us, not TSF
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:30 PM
Nov 30

The right wing agitprop machine has prepared a long list of liberals, leftists, and institutionalists for the rubes to blame. As it stands now, we're well-positioned to become the "Juden" of Neo-Nazi America.

The Democrats need to stop self-blaming and begin campaigning this February, to ensure availability of a counternarrative. Otherwise we get our asses handed to us twice over.

Joinfortmill

(17,131 posts)
53. I'm struggling with how to deal with people who thought it was a good idea to vote for the rapist...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:50 PM
Nov 30

Fortunately, there are very few in my sphere. Since I'm an old gal, and will likely soon leave this place, I've made the decision going forward to be as kind as I can be to all the folks I encounter.

So, for me this will be a challenge with these people, but I've decided that being polite will suffice, and will not hinder my satisfaction one bit when these folks learn that actions have consequences and tariffs are not what they think they are, and that more than the price of eggs is going to rise when the rapist deports all the farm workers.

Honestly, their ignorant arrogance is a pox upon on us.

JT45242

(3,097 posts)
54. Especially when they realize they are now slaves to their jobs because of pre-existing conditions
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:50 PM
Nov 30

Word will spread like wildfire when people get laid off and get a new job that will not insure the whole family because one of more family members have a pre-existing condition.

They all now have the equivalent of the slave visa where you cannot change jobs.

"You want a raise. Nope, go ahead and quit. Good luck getting insurance at your next job peon. Welcome to the 1800 robber barons all over again ' that's what I figured my boss will say now that we were bought out by a venture capital group

J_William_Ryan

(2,412 posts)
57. We've already done this.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 30

From 6/26/2018:

‘In Gallup’s new weekly poll released Monday, Trump’s approval rating had cooled off to 41% while his disapproval shot up 5 percentage points – up to 55%. It’s easy to ascribe Trump’s approval fade to his disastrous past week in which he badly underestimated the damage done by his administration’s “zero-tolerance” policy at the border. Trump eventually flip-flopped on his insistence that an executive order wouldn’t solve the family separation crisis but, even then, legal and logistical questions remained.’

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/trump-approval-rating-analysis/index.html

And we’ll likely see the same in the middle of 2026, just in time for midterms.

Grins

(8,028 posts)
58. I actually hope it happens!
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 30

So I can remind them, “You voted for THIS!”

Like Mencken said, they deserve to get what they wanted “…good and hard!”

And think of the mid-terms!

Demobrat

(9,995 posts)
59. I think prices on electronics, clothing, and appliances
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 02:10 PM
Nov 30

will jump first, in response to tariffs. This will happen early next year. Almost immediately. Then, food.

Regardless of how quickly the deportations happen, the second the first one hits the news domestic food prices will jump. Because the excuse is there. Add in increased prices on imports, and food will be going up and up all year.

Drug formularies are in place for 2025, but the following year will be rough. Huge increases to prescription drug prices will happen then.

But I think the biggest shocks will happen when the cuts to SSDI and medicaid kick in. I don’t think most of the morons on disability understand that they are collecting social security. And their payments will be the first to go. Much easier to deny a disability claim than cut benefits across the board for millions of retirees. Just accuse them of cheating, make them the villains and the thing is done. No more disabled!

That’s my prediction. My prepared response to the whining: But aren’t you proud to sacrifice for your leader? Why don’t you love your country?

I can hardly wait to use it.

Montauk6

(8,823 posts)
70. The MAGAstream Media counterstrikes...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 05:23 PM
Nov 30
1. the effect of having lost Christmas bonuses really hits home. - Ramp up the "War on Christmas" reporting, CHECK!
2. they see what a 25% universal tariff does to inflation. - Emphasize lingering effects of Kamalanomics, CHECK!
3. they to lose their healthcare and get priced out of the market for their medications. - Play up keeping communist healthcare at bay, CHECK!
4. their children no longer have IEP's or 504's or school lunches. - Encourage homeschooling and liberation from government schools, CHECK!
5. an entire segment of the workforce is deported and we're facing...
A) astronomical prices at the grocery store and food shortages.
B) construction coming to a grinding halt due to not having the workers.
Reminder that it's all a mere trifle when protecting American women from rapists, drug dealers, and asylum inmates, CHECK!

stollen

(690 posts)
71. I'm leaving
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 30

I don't want to witness the inevitable. I want to get a nice croissant, cafe au lait, and watch the world go by.

Aussie105

(6,676 posts)
73. Shhhhh! Softly, softly does it!
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 30

We have some idea of what may be coming our way, and won't be too surprised by the future turning ugly.

The MAGAts, the Trump voters, the low information superficial thinkers though, will be caught unawares.

If enough negatives accumulate in their lives, they will get a vague feeling something isn't right, something is not going to plan.

If they start to complain, pretend surprise, say something like . . . gosh, how did that happen?
Comments like . . . Trump did that! Who did you vote for? . . . will just drive them deeper into denial.

Let them work out for themselves who the big orange boil on the bum of America is, why they are sitting uncomfortably, and - at a stretch - decide voting is more important than they realised? And maybe stop being MSM led sheep?

I live in hope!

Hamlette

(15,550 posts)
74. Trump will not impose tariffs. The stupid stuff he will do will not impact the economy.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 08:41 PM
Nov 30

He will SAY he is imposing tariffs so he can lower taxes on billionaires (by raising all that money on tariffs). Or bring other countries to heel and do his bidding. Remember his phone call with the president of Mexico this last week. Trump bragged that he got her to agree to stop immigrants and drugs from going into the US. She reports that she did no such thing.

His big promise in 2016 was to build the wall. He didn't build the wall. He can't even say he built the wall because then how can be blame everything on illegals? Why doesn't he build the wall now? Because he'd have to admit he didn't do it the first time. His tangled web.

There will be no mass deportation. A few will be deported to much media fanfare and he'll make it sound like he deported them all. But he can't do tariffs or mass deportation without wrecking the economy and the economy will be the number one priority in his first term and will be again. don't believe a word he says.

LisaL

(46,988 posts)
77. I am pretty sure that dude he appointed in charge of deportations begs to differ.
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 09:10 PM
Nov 30

TX is already offering land to build their deportation camps.

Hamlette

(15,550 posts)
81. I'm sure you're right, his underlings still think Trump stands for something
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 30

Tom Homan, our new Border Czar recently said he's already in Texas working with Abbott to fix the problem. Then he said illegal immigration is down 86 percent in Texas????? Then why is he in Texas to fix "the problem" if the problem doesn't exist in Texas?

Mark my words. You will soon hear that illegal immigration in Texas is down 89 percent BECAUSE of Trump. Yes, yes, it was only 86 before but they exaggerate. And NO ONE will remember it was already DOWN when Trump took office. Trump will take credit, it will be because of mass deportations and problem solved because of Trump. He'll also claim credit for stopping fentanyl coming into US but remember, Fentanyl deaths have been dropping since March of this year. Guess who will take credit?

Trump will soon own/control the media once Elon takes over MSNBC so it will be reported there is no longer any illegal migration into the US, no more Fentanyl because of trump etc etc. He solves all problems or says there are no problems. Watch what happened in Hungary. This is what Orban did there. His friends bought up media outlets and they are filling the people's minds with lies.

The thing is, nothing will charge. They will only say it changed. And the reason it won't change is change in huge bureaucracies like ours is VERY difficult and you have to know how to do it and work very hard to make small changes. Trump won't put in the work. He's lazy. The only change Trump will make is how many people believe his lies.

We just need to figure out a way to stop the lies. Which is also hard.

PatrickforB

(15,160 posts)
79. Does anyone care to wager how long it will take the Trump/Vance team to declare martial law
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 09:31 PM
Nov 30

in the face of this massive unrest?

That's Peter Thiel's plan, I think. And Curtis Yarvin's. They own Vance, and I'm expecting he will become America's CEO (dictator) before 2025 ends.

hurple

(1,334 posts)
84. I'm wondering how long it will take...
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:25 PM
Nov 30

Until they install the ovens in the concentration camps they are planning to open.

James48

(4,694 posts)
86. December 2025 at the latest.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:16 AM
Dec 1

It’s gonna come crashing down soon- but I think it’s gonna be until then before they will admit it.

moniss

(6,456 posts)
87. I've traveled all over the country
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:36 AM
Dec 1

and a similar weird "blinders on" effect takes place for people who live in states that brag about not having an income tax and just relying on a high sales tax and property taxes. They say things like "I couldn't believe how much cheaper things were when we went to (XYZ state) and we saw a gallon of milk in the store was half the price we pay."

You try and explain to people how the ones with high incomes are the ones who push the idea of no income tax. Then you explain that instead of a funding system based on ability to pay it changes under a sales tax system to one with no consideration for ability to pay.

It gets lost on them almost immediately because usually what comes rolling out of them is "Well we believe it's fair for everybody to pay the same." Then one of the last things out of their mouths is how they don't know how I can stand to live in such an "unfair" state.

bee_peaceful

(47 posts)
90. I wonder how long it will take...
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:03 AM
Dec 1

... for the monied elites to "25th Amendment" his ass as unfit and move on with JD....

"Presidential disability: The president can declare themselves unable to perform their duties, or the vice president and a majority of the cabinet can declare the president disabled. The vice president then becomes acting president until the president's powers are restored."

Ursus Rex

(312 posts)
93. Years, at least 1-2.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:36 PM
Dec 1

And a lot of it may not even happen. What will happen is an increase in low-level misery: unemployment, corruption, rising cost and stagnating pay, etc. Human rights won’t go away, but exercising them will be more difficult and punished harshly.

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