Bath Michigan 1927, worst school massacre

[lalalu]

and he used explosives not guns. He was a man who wanted revenge and his way only. It seems his way of thinking is growing in America and fueling the violence.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103186662

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Go. Away.

Sorry - No stomach for your lame NRA-like stuff just now.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. I see nothing about the OP that sunds like NRA stuff.

There was no claim made about justifying gun-nuttery, just a comment that the insanity is not new, but is growing.

[lalalu]

14. Thank You

I am hoping people would start discussing what else is going on that is making these massacres more frequent.

[Yo_Mama]

36. There was another school attack in China today also

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/

I do think we need to ask WHY.

Because the thing that's utterly freaking me out about this is that the perp was the father of one of the kids in the class. Are we going to frisk every parent who goes to a school concert or play? How do you defend against something like this?

Gun control sounds okay at first glance, but changing the law won't take guns off the streets, nor can it protect school children against this type of a will to destroy your own child and the children of others. Little kids are so utterly defenseless.

[Jackpine Radical]

71. I concur absolutely. Americans have always been heavily armed

whether you like it or not.

I went to a 1-room country grade school, and I would bet that every kid in that school came from a home in which there were multiple firearms. I would further bet that every kid, of both sexes, and including the first-graders, had had some training with those guns. When we visited each other, we would often look at and handle our parents' guns, with their easily-obtained permission. Guns were viewed as dangerous tools, like axes, and we were taught to respect them and use them correctly. Nobody was afraid that one of us would bring a gun to school and start shooting.

I am not arguing that that world of 60+ years ago was anything like today's world, and I am not addressing what society should do about guns in the present. I'm pointing out that access to firearms is not commensurate with wanting to use them on other people, or to the level of violence in society. The world was different then, and people didn't resort to guns. I can recall one (double-) murder in the county in all my years of growing up. That happened when a guy who had been brutally abused by his parents in childhood came home AWOL from the Army and murdered both parents with a deer rifle.

Everyone was really freaked out by this incident, and it was talked about for years. Yet I do not recall anyone panicking over the access we kids had to guns.

In modern times, maybe we do need to limit firearms, and I become less resistant to the idea as time goes on.

However, gun control will not solve this problem. It won't even dent t. The problem will only be solved when we stop inculcating a culture of violence into ourselves and our children.

[datasuspect]

16. if you understand historical context

humanity has been quite savage toward children for many, many years.

it's a horrible thing to happen. especially with innocent children.

thanks for interjection of balance.

[lalalu]

9. Get a grip

I don't belong to the NRA and I personally do not own any firearms. It is my choice. I also know people who own guns and it is their choice. We need to look at issues beyond just the weapon used because disturbed people will always find a weapon.

[joeybee12]

28. And yet you claim you're not spewing NRA bullshit...

You gave yourself away right there...disgusting.

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. Insensitive, ill-timed, and ignorant thing to post right now. n/t

[lalalu]

12. Yes, let's just pretend the issue is guns only

and not the mentality behind the weapon.

[NRaleighLiberal]

13. What is it about life that detests you so?

[lalalu]

17. I have no idea what you are even talking about.

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. Of course you don't - and clearly never will.

[lalalu]

23. I hope I never will understand such an inane post.

[oldhippie]

24. ^^ That made no sense whatsoever. ^^ nt

nt

[sufrommich]

3. "Kehoe had been angry about property taxes used to fund the school"

[lalalu]

11. Extremist ideology which has grown in this country is the problem

but people continue to ignore that fact.

[sufrommich]

38. Not every mass shooting is the result of ideology.

You found one. It's the extremist ideology of the NRA and it's enablers that must be dealt with right now.

[Blue_Tires]

43. Probably a patron saint of the teabaggers...

[Comrade_McKenzie]

5. Fuck off, asshole. nt

[lalalu]

10. Your post is an example of the extremism

and closed mindedness fueling violence.

[oldhippie]

27. The hysteria, it is strong in some.

So many people let their emotions overcome their brains. No different than the shooters.

[Comrade Grumpy]

44. That's pretty fucking low.

People who are pissed off about repeated mass gun murders are "no different than the shooters"?

Maybe you should delete your stupid, thoughtless, and insulting post.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

56. maybe you should delete your 'fuck off'

since that is sooooo wonderful.

sP

[oldhippie]

60. Yes, it was ...

So do you think being pissed off lets you do anything you want without consequences? Being pissed off excuses you from civility? Really?

[Care Acutely]

6. Your posts are so unclever. You fool noone and BTW

FUCK THE MOTHERFUCKING NRA AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

[bobclark86]

20. And while we're at it...

Fuck the First Amendment (you said something I don't like, so you can't say it anymore)! Fuck the Fourth Amendment (Eh, strip searches for your weed are always a good idea)! Fuck the Fifth (If you're silent, you must be guilty), 14th (black people need to go back to the plantation), 19th (women belong in the kitchen, not the polling booth)...

You can't pick and choose. They're all there for a reason. Don't like it? Get it removed. Good luck with that, though...

Don't get me wrong. The NRA is a bunch of fucking assholes. That doesn't change the second amendment, though.

[joeybee12]

31. Load of shit right there newbie...the second amendment is a relic of

colonila times...just like the third...the housing of soldiers...they were grouped together for a reason.

[Care Acutely]

61. The constitution is not an infallible document from GAWD sweetcheecks.

The "right" to own slaves existed when it was written, too. That was also wrong. The 2nd amendment makes NO SENSE in a modern era. Fuck the second amendment.

[hrmjustin]

72. Why are you posting this crap today of all days.

[wryter2000]

8. BS

This is like claiming that because there was once a horrible, awful storm in 1865 there is no climate change.

No one's buying it any longer.

[lalalu]

21. Wrong. The evidence for climate change is the

increasing frequency and strength of storms. People who disagree with climate change say it is just the earth going through normal changes and have a simplistic view. People who believe in climate change know that we need to trace the underlying causes for the obviously increased and dramatic changes.

Saying it is just the gun causing these massacres is simplistic. There is more to it than the weapon used. There are underlying causes for the increased frequency of such massacres in this country and we need to look at them.

[wryter2000]

25. This is the last thing I'm going to say

Because if there's anything the evidence has shown is that people who defend the reckless availability of machines for mass murder have thousands of specious arguments to debate what ought to be common sense.

We can't eliminate crazy, disgruntled, and murderous people. We can do something to keep mass killing machines out of their hands.

And any gun lover with a modicum of taste would shut the hell up for one day.

Good bye

[lalalu]

30. So now i am a gun lover?

Seriously, I don't even own a gun. This just shows how narrow minded this country has become and the refusal to look outside the little box of ideology people choose.

[Comrade Grumpy]

46. Yes, we are becoming increasingly narrow-minded about repeated mass gun murders.

Sorry if that bothers you. A bunch of dead kids bothers me.

[ecstatic]

15. We know there are other methods of killing people. But

right now, we need to address our gun problem, which is out of control. Thanks for your post.

[DURHAM D]

19. Why don't you do the decent thing

and delete this post?

[lalalu]

22. Why don't you pull your head out of the sand and

open your mind to look beyond simplistic reasons for growing violence in America.

[DURHAM D]

37. I own weapons

but this is not the time for these insensitive OPs.

[lalalu]

47. Insensitive?

Looking beyond easy answers to a growing problem of violent massacres is insensitive? It is not just guns behind the growing violence in America and we need to address those issues.

[Comrade Grumpy]

49. I alerted on your obnoxious, insulting, over-the-top post.

At least your avatar is appropriate.

[DURHAM D]

52. I see that his favorite group is the Gungeon so no surprise.

Perhaps Skinner will deal with this as he has done with the OP.

[Logical]

26. Someone alerted this post and lost badly....

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[lalalu]

35. Thanks for posting this and I am sorry it even went to that level.

It was to start a discussion about a very serious and sad growing problem in America. This is upsetting and I am not sure what the answer is but we need to do some searching about what is going on.

[Logical]

54. Your post was fine, that is a famous incident. Worth discussion.

[bluestateguy]

29. That guy was an anti-tax fanatic

And he used bombs to do most of his killing.

Not sure what your point is.

[lalalu]

45. We need to move beyond the argument that the problem is guns only.

[lapfog_1]

33. wrong.

If you allow the premise that summer camp is the equivalent of school, then the 80 people (mostly children) killed at the camp in Norway by a gunman is the worst "school" shooting / killing. (not including the 7 he killed by explosion in Oslo).

[lalalu]

41. I was referring to the United States.

Let's be honest in that what happened in Norway was more an anomaly. In America this is happening at a growing frequency.

The thing is we are that point where it only makes the news when there is a massacre. Yet there are growing instances of violence against children everyday and in many forms. The United States has one of the worst rates of murder and violence against children in the world.

[lapfog_1]

57. He acquired his guns from..... online gun stores in the United States. - n/t

[oldhippie]

58. Please describe how he could do that? I'm really curious ...

Have a link?

[aquart]

34. Again. A MAN mass murders.

We have leash laws for dogs but what is stopping the men? Here, have a gun and kill as many people as you'd like. Kill as many women's children as you like.

Take guns away from men.

[Democracyinkind]

39. Thank you so much.

Before your OP, NOBODY on DU would ever have fathomed that killing children with explosives is even possible. Very important and timely to bring that up...

????????????????????

[Chorophyll]

40. Oh, and that makes it all okay, does it?

We have mass shootings every week now. Your gun-clutching "argument" is invalid.

[lalalu]

42. You missed it completely.

[Chorophyll]

55. I missed nothing, pal.

Not a thing.

[uppityperson]

48. THANK YOU SKINNER!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=291272

[one_voice]

50. [phone]

Thanks Skinner!

I don't usually do that, but for this one I will.

[DURHAM D]

53. Yes, thank you.

[old guy]

62. Yes. Thanks Skinner!

My ignore list is way too long as it is.

[neverforget]

64. I want to spike a football for that tombstone! THANK YOU SKINNER!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!!

[wryter2000]

69. Add my voice

Thank you!

[countryjake]

70. Yes! Bravo Skinner!

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[Motown_Johnny]

51. and when we get 20 of those a year we will equate it with mass shootings

until then your point is meaningless

[Harmony Blue]

67. +1

That sums up my position.

Placing of explosions and making them takes a lot of time and planning.

[hatrack]

59. Our massacre du jour was not accomplished with explosives, nor the killings in Portland this week,

The mass murderer at Virginia Tech did not use explosives to kill his victims, and neither did the killer during the Oikos University attack in Oakland back in April of this year.

Klebold and Harris did use explosives during the Columbine massacre, but their victims, fatalities and wounded alike, were shot, not blown up.

Moving beyond schools to other mass murders in public spaces, 12 died and 58 were wounded earlier this year in Aurora by firearms, not explosives, though the tear gas grenades Holmes used could technically be called explosives, or at least pyrotechnics.

Similarly, the Seal Beach Massacre (eight dead) 12 October 2011, the Cupertino Quarry shooting (five dead) 5 October 2011, the Tucson shooting of Gabi Giffords and her constituents (six dead) 8 January 2011, the Northern Illinois University shooting (six dead) 14 February 2008, the Westroads Mall Shooting in Omaha (nine dead) 5 December 2007, the Cafe Racer shootings in Seattle (six dead) 30 May 2012 and the Sikh Temple shooting in Oak Creek, Wisconsin (six dead) 5 August 2012 were all mass murders in which guns rather than explosives were the weapon of choice for the perpetrators.

So what the FUCK is your FUCKING POINT?

[KamaAina]

63. But remember, explosives don't kill people....

If only the teachers had had TNT...

Aw, screw it.

[NRaleighLiberal]

65. Thank you, Skinner!

[cbayer]

66. And not a moment too soon.

[Le Taz Hot]

68. My first and last post to you.

You are REPREHENSIBLE!