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babylonsister

(172,759 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:46 PM Dec 2024

Pelosi Secretly Orchestrating Another Attempted Shake-Up of Dem Leadership


Pelosi Secretly Orchestrating Another Attempted Shake-Up of Dem Leadership
DEM-EAT-DEM
Former Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is urging a younger challenger to take on Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY), the party’s ranking member on the Judiciary Committee.
Sean Craig
Updated Dec. 1 2024 12:41PM EST /
Published Dec. 1 2024 10:47AM EST


Months after running an internal pressure campaign that nudged President Joe Biden out of the 2024 election, former House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is plotting another ouster within the Democratic Party.

The representative for California’s 11th congressional district—who stepped down as Leader of the House Democratic Caucus last year after two decades—is targeting the top member of her party on the Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY), the New York Times reported.

Pelosi is among a group of Democrats privately urging 61-year-old Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) to challenge Nadler, 77, for his post. Raskin is thinking about it, though hasn’t made up his mind and must weigh the fact that he and Nadler are friends, congressional colleagues told the Times.

Pelosi’s effort is part of an existential rethink among congressional Democrats, who are concerned their oldest members are not best suited to take on President-elect Donald Trump’s vociferous MAGA allies in Congress.

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Pelosi Secretly Orchestrating Another Attempted Shake-Up of Dem Leadership (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2024 OP
age is a criteria in my book Tetrachloride Dec 2024 #1
It isn't necessarily in mine, but I know it is in many people's, and that's a reality we Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #2
I don't think it's age. I think it's the ability to quickly adapt advisarial tactics haele Dec 2024 #5
Good points Hekate Dec 2024 #6
Really good points. arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #15
quick response vs the lack of it is the effect of what i mean by age Tetrachloride Dec 2024 #29
Now do the future senate minority leader! Lunabell Dec 2024 #3
Good to know Dems are in disarray! dpibel Dec 2024 #4
Mastermind? Master tactician? Hekate Dec 2024 #7
Well, that's a little too reality based, isn't it? dpibel Dec 2024 #9
What do you mean? arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #16
Conniving backstabbing old harridan? She's worried about some old guy? Has she looked in the mirror? mucholderthandirt Dec 2024 #17
Her ploy to force Biden out and install her own candidate failed Arazi Dec 2024 #8
Gosh. A "ploy"? dpibel Dec 2024 #10
And her trashing of/blaming Biden in the NYT piece was disgraceful soandso Dec 2024 #11
It didn't fail, it gave us a fighting chance. Biden would have very likely lost by far larger numbers Celerity Dec 2024 #13
Did it not fail? Alaninahammock Dec 2024 #20
Well, the open primary part, I will give you that part. And, as to that open primary, it would have been a hot mess at Celerity Dec 2024 #22
It was delusional to think we were going to have an open primary at that point dsc Dec 2024 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2024 #21
It's her fault that leadership didn't act earlier? themaguffin Dec 2024 #26
I don't have much of an opinion Alaninahammock Dec 2024 #28
She action doesn't negate reality. His campaign was in real trouble. His decision to drop out was just way too late. themaguffin Dec 2024 #32
We'll never know how badly Biden would have lost BeyondGeography Dec 2024 #30
This is now a Knife Fight, MAGA is not playing by The Marquess of Queensberry Rules mackdaddy Dec 2024 #12
My leader mr715 Dec 2024 #14
This is not about friends. Passages Dec 2024 #18
so the aged former leader is doing this? bigtree Dec 2024 #19
She stepped down from her own leadership position. Kaleva Dec 2024 #24
Not a secret if TDB has a whole-ass article about it. ismnotwasm Dec 2024 #25
I trust Pelosi. themaguffin Dec 2024 #27
I agree, in that we need more Crocketts and Ocasio-Cortezs in the House obamanut2012 Dec 2024 #31

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
2. It isn't necessarily in mine, but I know it is in many people's, and that's a reality we
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:00 PM
Dec 2024

have to deal with.

haele

(15,403 posts)
5. I don't think it's age. I think it's the ability to quickly adapt advisarial tactics
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:34 PM
Dec 2024

If Pelosi doesn't think Nadler is aggressively flexible enough to fight the GOP in committee because he's used to doing things old school, she might be pushing for the more nimble Raskin to take the helm.
Now's the time for someone who can work the angles rather than work by the book, not that working by the book doesn't fit into the overall strategy as well.
Raskin and Nadler tag-teaming isn't a bad strategy.

Haele

Haele

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
3. Now do the future senate minority leader!
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:04 PM
Dec 2024

We need new blood. Hot, take no prisoners blood! A pugilistic bad ass!

mucholderthandirt

(1,783 posts)
17. Conniving backstabbing old harridan? She's worried about some old guy? Has she looked in the mirror?
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 2024

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
8. Her ploy to force Biden out and install her own candidate failed
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:43 PM
Dec 2024

While I’m not averse to changing things up, I’d prefer someone else strategizing on replacing senior staff.

Maybe she needs to retire. If she thinks Biden and now Nadler are too old… 🙄

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
11. And her trashing of/blaming Biden in the NYT piece was disgraceful
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:06 AM
Dec 2024

From OP's article:

Pelosi “wasn’t happy that the only bloody fingerprints on the knife were hers“

Anyway, so her new thing is going after people due to their age but why do her ideas not apply to herself? What she's doing is going to cause hard feelings between members.

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
13. It didn't fail, it gave us a fighting chance. Biden would have very likely lost by far larger numbers
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:47 AM
Dec 2024

than Harris did.

 

Alaninahammock

(32 posts)
20. Did it not fail?
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:56 AM
Dec 2024

After all she said the plan was to push out Biden and then have an open primary to pick the replacement.... Obviously that did not happen after Biden endorsed Kamala

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
22. Well, the open primary part, I will give you that part. And, as to that open primary, it would have been a hot mess at
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:44 AM
Dec 2024

the convention.

dsc

(53,397 posts)
23. It was delusional to think we were going to have an open primary at that point
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:49 AM
Dec 2024

No state, not even blue ones, were going to rerun the primary at a cost of millions of dollars because we didn't want to have the successor we voted for in the first place. And letting delegates, who none of us could pick out in a police lineup make the choice for us, was equally delusional. had that happened and a white male was picked over Harris black women would have, quite rightly, told us to f all the way off.

Response to Celerity (Reply #13)

 

Alaninahammock

(32 posts)
28. I don't have much of an opinion
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 2024

I'm just going by what she said the original plan was compared to what happened. She was, apparently, the one that was blindsided by Biden's endorsement.

So I guess by her own words it was a failure.

themaguffin

(5,221 posts)
32. She action doesn't negate reality. His campaign was in real trouble. His decision to drop out was just way too late.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)

mackdaddy

(1,976 posts)
12. This is now a Knife Fight, MAGA is not playing by The Marquess of Queensberry Rules
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:26 AM
Dec 2024

The democratic leadership needs to be able to get down and dirty to have any sway in this bizzaro world.

bigtree

(94,269 posts)
19. so the aged former leader is doing this?
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:47 AM
Dec 2024

...wasn't driving Joe Biden out of the race by making a stink about his age and losing the election enough for her?

Now she's on a mission to blow up another sitting Dem's position of leadership?

I missed the part where she's targeting actual republican seats.

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
31. I agree, in that we need more Crocketts and Ocasio-Cortezs in the House
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dec 2024

They are more astute at knowing Dems are bringing a knife to a gun battle and being accused of bringing a tank. They need to actually bring the tank. AOC and Crockett can do that.

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