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lees1975

(6,238 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 09:40 PM Dec 2

The whining among Democrats over the Hunter Biden pardon is a symptom of what is wrong with the party.

If that couldn't be seen for what it was, then it's no wonder the inconsistency between claiming that Trump was an existential threat to democracy and then abjectly and absolutely failing to bring him to justice, and defending the incompetent attorney general who was the major cause of the failure is also something very wrong among Democrats.

I just wonder if we will ever get it. There are some Democrats who need to take some advice from constituents out here where we can't hide from reality in a government building office all day and sit down and keep their mouths shut, and avoid looking and sounding stupid.

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The whining among Democrats over the Hunter Biden pardon is a symptom of what is wrong with the party. (Original Post) lees1975 Dec 2 OP
There will be a point in Joe's future when he will want to say... CincyDem Dec 2 #1
He's sped up the shipment of weapons to Ukraine, and removed restrictions on the use of some. lees1975 Dec 2 #4
Both Schumer and Durbin are stuck in a mindset Bettie Dec 2 #10
When they dine with kacekwl Dec 3 #25
The few Republicans who were capable of 'decency and honesty' Jack Valentino Dec 3 #36
Dogged adherence to norms and institutions in this era is total folly. slumcamper Dec 2 #2
Ultimately, politics has to be practical. Being a bit messy is inescapable when dealing so deeply in human situations.nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2 #9
And yet, only one side Bettie Dec 3 #31
No. To say so is to dump on Pelosi and Schumer. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 3 #32
Yup. Baitball Blogger Dec 2 #3
Donald J Trump is a dildo head. A bell end. A knob. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2 #8
Sorry but on this important action our Dems are wrong and Biden is 5000% correct. Trueblue1968 Dec 2 #5
I've only seen a very small number of Democrats complaining about it.... in my opinion this is being overblown groundloop Dec 2 #6
They could do the kacekwl Dec 3 #26
Purism is partly why Kamala was not elected. Over-compensation is why Franken is not Senator. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2 #7
So we are supposed to KT2000 Dec 2 #11
A lot of that protocol isn't defending Democracy, it's hanging on to long gone tradition. lees1975 Dec 2 #13
I don't understand the idea that we "allow" Republican controlled media to do anything. live love laugh Dec 3 #19
I was thinking of KT2000 Dec 3 #20
Regardless of the political leaning of the media - the next 4 years will walkingman Dec 3 #30
John Flannery for the win! Brilliant! LaRaven Dec 2 #12
Nailed it malaise Dec 3 #24
I've been interacting with someone who's worked in presidential politics since Bill Clinton Orrex Dec 2 #14
No doubt in my mind ... aggiesal Dec 2 #15
STFU about the pardon OrangeJoe Dec 2 #16
Exactly. Get a perspective here. lees1975 Dec 2 #17
Clam up Jimmy76 Dec 3 #18
Those whining are fascist sympathizers in my book. nt Hotler Dec 3 #21
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Dec 3 #22
Centrist Dems Emile Dec 3 #23
I'm keeping track of these Democrats who seem to think that is one decent republican or a decent Autumn Dec 3 #27
Double down Bluetus Dec 3 #28
Duplicate removed Bluetus Dec 3 #29
yup Nimble_Idea Dec 3 #33
K & R nt berniesandersmittens Dec 3 #34
More obeying in advance ThePartyThatListens Dec 3 #35
FOR REAL!!!! Democrats that live up high in their white ivory towers drive me nuts! FlyingPiggy Dec 3 #37

CincyDem

(6,980 posts)
1. There will be a point in Joe's future when he will want to say...
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 09:55 PM
Dec 2

“I did everything I could to protect American democracy…not the institutions of democracy but democracy itself.”

How he chooses to assert his power over the next 7 weeks will in large part define the veracity of that statement.

Love me some Joe and I hope to god he uses the light saber(s) at his disposal.

lees1975

(6,238 posts)
4. He's sped up the shipment of weapons to Ukraine, and removed restrictions on the use of some.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:13 PM
Dec 2

That may be too little too late, though. And they are shoving judges through, though I cannot understand Schumer's giving up appellate court spots in some deal, or Durbin's insistence on following protocol. IF they can't stop it, then run over them with the process, they've already done it to us, and you can't keep protocols and yet insist Trump is an existential threat to democracy. If he is, then you make it as difficult for him on his way in as possible, and take as much with you when you go.

Bettie

(17,719 posts)
10. Both Schumer and Durbin are stuck in a mindset
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:09 PM
Dec 2

where they believe Republicans are capable of decency and honesty.

They aren't. Not a single one of them.

I'm betting they won't wait for blue slips....or give in on anything.

Taking a casserole to a gun fight.

kacekwl

(7,872 posts)
25. When they dine with
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:25 PM
Dec 3

their Republican buddies on the hill after work they can bicker about who picks up the check. Even then they probably get out maneuvered.

Jack Valentino

(1,629 posts)
36. The few Republicans who were capable of 'decency and honesty'
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 10:13 PM
Dec 3

have left congress or were kicked out by maggot challengers in the nazi-party primaries....


Shumer and Durbin need to either wake up or step aside---
to make way for some younger FIGHTERS...

slumcamper

(1,755 posts)
2. Dogged adherence to norms and institutions in this era is total folly.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 09:59 PM
Dec 2

Information, disinformation, and events move too swiftly. Yet our aged leadership labors beneath the weight of archaic protocols and practices, thus inviting own demise.



Baitball Blogger

(49,149 posts)
3. Yup.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:10 PM
Dec 2

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)

We could call Trump dildo head and his supporters would walk around wearing human sized condoms to protect him.

Trueblue1968

(18,380 posts)
5. Sorry but on this important action our Dems are wrong and Biden is 5000% correct.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:40 PM
Dec 2

Pardon ing Hunter was the right thing to do. I would have done the same thing.

groundloop

(12,512 posts)
6. I've only seen a very small number of Democrats complaining about it.... in my opinion this is being overblown
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:53 PM
Dec 2

Yes, I've seen a very few Democrats criticizing President Biden for his pardon of Hunter, it's only natural for some people to have differing opinions. I believe this is yet another instance of the media attempting to portray "Democrats in disarray" as they always do and distract from the real issue of tRUMP and his Cabinet picks who will help him tear down our government.

KT2000

(21,165 posts)
11. So we are supposed to
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:15 PM
Dec 2

be the pure Democrats while the RW steals the country. It is called the circular firing squad and that is how we lose our best and brightest. Stand together and stop this horrible persecution of Hunter.

I also feel we have failed Joe Biden by allowing the media discourse to focus on trump 24/7. That has been the focus of our left wing media as well.

Remember that MTG showed nude pictures of Hunter in the House!!! Is that fair.

lees1975

(6,238 posts)
13. A lot of that protocol isn't defending Democracy, it's hanging on to long gone tradition.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:23 PM
Dec 2

And it's a sign that some Democrats in the Senate and the House have been there too long.

live love laugh

(14,890 posts)
19. I don't understand the idea that we "allow" Republican controlled media to do anything.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:36 AM
Dec 3
I also feel we have failed Joe Biden by allowing the media discourse to focus on trump 24/7. That has been the focus of our left wing media as well.


They’ve done and will continue doing whatever they want. And what they want apparently is as few Democratic voices as possible.

Who exactly is “our left wing media”?

Democratic control little to no media in the US.

KT2000

(21,165 posts)
20. I was thinking of
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 03:11 AM
Dec 3

DU and MSNBC in particular. trump has been so successful in capturing the attention of all of us. Did we discuss what Biden has done over the last four years? Mostly we have focused on the latest trump outrage - for four years. No one, right or left, discussed Biden's efforts for the non-wealthy.

I know we do not control the media, but we can use our resources more wisely - IMHO.

walkingman

(8,847 posts)
30. Regardless of the political leaning of the media - the next 4 years will
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:44 PM
Dec 3

be something every day - constant BS. Either on social media, or networks, newspapers, ir doesn't matter it will be a daily dose of disgusting insults, threats, and narcissistic BS. We had a chance to rid ourselves of the POS but instead embraced his BS, or delayed until it was too late.

We got him now and who can we blame - majority of Americans.

Orrex

(64,664 posts)
14. I've been interacting with someone who's worked in presidential politics since Bill Clinton
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:24 PM
Dec 2

And not just door-knocking. Actual, high-end strategy and coordination. Her house is full of pics of her and her husband and her kids with Clinton. They're on a first-name basis and can call to chat.

She no longer lives in DC, but she's in frequent contact with her associates there, and she confirms that they are completely out of touch with the reality outside of the Beltway. Case in point, when Trump was blathering about kids coming home from school after having gender-affirming surgery, the DC team laughed it off as obviously ridiculous, which it was.

But what they didn't understand is that to rural and backwoods assholes, Trump had described a very real and active threat to children. While the orange prolapse was whipping up his base of fuckheads, the DC thinkers were chuckling about it.

So now, while those circles are tut-tutting over this pardon, they're once again completely blind to the attitudes on the ground, and it makes them look like ivory tower proceduralists rather than dedicated professionals working on behalf of their constituents.

The circular firing squad will be fine once we have a 75 seat majority in the Senate and 350 seats in the House, but until then they need to stop competing to see who can affect the most righteous indignation.

(I know, I know: "unnamed well-connected sources" and all that.)

aggiesal

(9,752 posts)
15. No doubt in my mind ...
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:28 PM
Dec 2

Biden said he would not pardon Hunter when he felt that (D)'s would win the Presidency.
Then the next (D) President would have pardoned Hunter and everyone is happy.

Reading President Biden's statement on the pardon & unfortunately with Pendejo45 taking office, I have absolutely no problem with Biden pardoning his son.

OrangeJoe

(465 posts)
16. STFU about the pardon
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:33 PM
Dec 2

It was a true nothing burger so just shut up about it. Have you noticed the genius of Trump rolling out one horrid nominee after another? Dems react and whine and he does it again and again. We all need to be contacting the White House and our senators and pressuring them to go ahead with FBI background checks on these nominees. They have the legal clearance to do it. THIS is what we should be talking about and NOTHING else.

lees1975

(6,238 posts)
17. Exactly. Get a perspective here.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:49 PM
Dec 2

This pardon is way down the list of priorities for a justice department that is about to be swamped by a Presidency full of criminals.

Jimmy76

(7 posts)
18. Clam up
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:29 AM
Dec 3

They need to do this on the down low, and avoid media yakkers, and I am on with the poster about M Garland, why was he able to sit for years with no legal consequence, can not accept that, way too little, way too late, FAIL!!

Autumn

(47,249 posts)
27. I'm keeping track of these Democrats who seem to think that is one decent republican or a decent
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:42 PM
Dec 3

person in trumps administration.

Bluetus

(582 posts)
28. Double down
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:43 PM
Dec 3

Biden should preemptively pardon every single person Trump has ever attacked to take away the possibility of the DoJ going after them as an act of retribution. Let the SCOTUS chew on that one. It is right there in the Constitution.

FlyingPiggy

(3,738 posts)
37. FOR REAL!!!! Democrats that live up high in their white ivory towers drive me nuts!
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 10:24 PM
Dec 3

All smug in their piousness without an inkling of the reality we are all in. Ugh.

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