What DU thought in June

[BlueCheeseAgain]

People might find it interesting. A pardon wasn't that popular back then.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219014397

[PJMcK]

2. Have a nice day (n/t)

[BlueCheeseAgain]

3. I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one

[Crunchy Frog]

4. Joined a few minutes ago. One post.

Enjoy your stay.

[Think. Again.]

8. The fact you're in a cult seems to be starting to bother you.

That's good, it's the first step toward healing.

[Think. Again.]

6. I like people who can admit when they've been wrong.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

11. Still, isn't it weird for people to strongly criticize

others for having views that they themselves had only recently?

[Think. Again.]

18. I can't speak for others, but here is what I wrote on that thread...

Why should he do that?

The power of the pardon is given to the President to use in his official capacity for the betterment of the Nation.

How would pardoning an individual rightfully convicted of crimes do that?

I could see an argument that Hunter has not been "rightfully" convicted due to extreme bias on behalf of his proscutors, but if he actually did do the things he may be convicted of, and the sentencing is in line with standards, meaning no wrong would be corrected by the pardon, randomly pardoning criminals because it feels good would be an abuse of Biden's Presidential power.

As everyone should know, since the thread you reference the sentencing and persecution of Hunter has gone way, way beyond any standard penalty for the crimes he committed, and the reasonable expectation that Hunter would be even further abused by the incoming nazis if not pardoned, justifies my position that this pardon was the right thing to do to correct wrongs done by the nazis.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

24. Hunter wasn't sentenced yet.

But your larger point stands. You did put the caveat in.

I was taken aback that you described my other post as comprised of right wing talking points, though. It didn't seem that way to me.

[Think. Again.]

25. It did seem that way to me.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

27. Which part?

I presented four arguments in favor of the pardon and four against, and concluded I was ambivalent.

The four arguments against didn't say anything that was out of line in June. Why is that now considered right wing?

[Think. Again.]

28. Norwegian Resistance movement...

The first mass outbreak of civil disobedience occurred in the autumn of 1940, when students of Oslo University began to wear paper clips on their lapels to demonstrate their resistance to the German occupiers and their Norwegian collaborators. A seemingly innocuous item, the paper clip was a symbol of solidarity and unity ( "we are bound together" ), implying resistance. The wearing of paper clips, the popular H7 monogram and similar symbols (red garments, Bobble hats) was outlawed and could lead to arrest and punishment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_resistance_movement

And we here at DU happen to be lucky enough to have that paperclip symbol as a DU avatar choice!

[Crunchy Frog]

7. The big difference is that people still thought that Dump would be beaten.

Dump becoming pres again alters the equation dramatically.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

9. A couple of people mentioned that the election...

... might change things. Most seemed pretty absolute about it.

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22. Before you blame people for changing their minds...

...did you check to see if the people who wrote one thing in the June thread are the same who wrote somethng different in the recent thread?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

29. I'm not going to go all personal.

Just observing that being cautious about a pardon was once a mainstream view here and not held in contempt.

[Think. Again.]

31. I don't believe that opinion was mainstream, the opinions in the june thread were mixed

And I believe the stance of this post is false because you are claiming people have changed their positions when they haven't.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

33. I didn't say people changed their mind.

I said the idea was mainstream, in that it was acceptable and shared among many people.

Both supporting and opposing a pardon were mainstream ideas back then. Now, not as much.

[RandySF]

12. Are you even a Democrat?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

16. Doubtful.

I've alerted the posts.

[Celerity]

17. no, they are a MAGAt

[Celerity]

13. sod off conservacuck

[Emile]

15. Your pizza is almost ready!

[Crunchy Frog]

26. I added some magic mushrooms.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. Glad to see MIRT acting so quickly.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

21. DU doesn't sleep!

[Prairie Gates]

34. I suddenly remembered my Emerson...

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."