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misanthrope

(9,460 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:31 PM Dec 2024

You know what would have avoided the Hunter Biden pardon flap?

For weeks, I have floated a petty but funny idea for Biden to step down very close to the inauguration, maybe even the day before and ensure that Kamala Harris would then be the 47th POTUS. The goal would solely be to turn all of Trump's crass merchandising efforts -- I conceived this after seeing one of his 45-47 hats -- into a morass. All the paraphernalia ordered and shipped out by then would be useless, creating an unanticipated business cost. Same with any decorations, cakes, napkins, plates, whatever at the host of inaugural activities around Washington DC. Due to Trump's weird obsessions with getting certain things right, it would have been a burr under his saddle.

It would have also been possible for Harris to issue the pardon to Hunter Biden during her brief stint at the Resolute Desk. She could have plainly stated that she foresaw the incoming administration abusing the power of its office to harass Hunter Biden for the duration of its term in power.

It would have also allowed Joe Biden to live up to the promise he made not to pardon Hunter. Oh, well.,

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You know what would have avoided the Hunter Biden pardon flap? (Original Post) misanthrope Dec 2024 OP
Could've worked. mr715 Dec 2024 #1
Because many times Democrats can't get out of their own way? misanthrope Dec 2024 #2
Yup nt mr715 Dec 2024 #8
That's why we lose the war. Democrats need to develop killer instincts. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2024 #15
I am fine with the pardon...if we want to beat the GOP, we need to play to win... Demsrule86 Dec 2024 #17
Maybe there were more important things to do. yardwork Dec 2024 #12
As a sideline comment, your post reminded me wnylib Dec 2024 #22
I think mr715 Dec 2024 #23
I realize it has been a long time mr715 Dec 2024 #32
Who cares at this point? Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #3
Exactly. BootinUp Dec 2024 #4
I mean, really. yardwork Dec 2024 #13
IKR!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2024 #27
Please. Republicans and the media would have howled the same or even more. unblock Dec 2024 #5
Still funny misanthrope Dec 2024 #7
Agreed! calimary Dec 2024 #10
CRETINS DONT CARE Xoan Dec 2024 #6
These "outrages" were pre-written lame54 Dec 2024 #9
I bet they were! calimary Dec 2024 #11
I don't know why anybody's even discussing it really considering what's coming Meowmee Dec 2024 #14
we are discussing this because the right wants us to discuss it so we don't discuss what's coming Hamlette Dec 2024 #16
Yes understand that Meowmee Dec 2024 #28
I wish people would stop with the promise bullshit, or he lied fuckery... usedtobedemgurl Dec 2024 #18
Only one small improvement to your great idea Escape Dec 2024 #19
You do know that both houses of Congress must confirm a new VP, right? MichMan Dec 2024 #29
I wasn't serious Escape Dec 2024 #31
Yeah. A legitimate, unbiased media. simplemistake Dec 2024 #20
Hah Katcat Dec 2024 #21
I submit replacing a news cycle about one pointless thing with a news cycle about another pointless thing is not useful. Gore1FL Dec 2024 #24
I don't think Biden made a pinkie swear... GiqueCee Dec 2024 #25
"Because many times Democrats can't get out of their own way?" J_William_Ryan Dec 2024 #26
I liked this thought process CRK7376 Dec 2024 #30

misanthrope

(9,460 posts)
2. Because many times Democrats can't get out of their own way?
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:40 PM
Dec 2024

The optics certainly wouldn't have been any worse than what happened.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,261 posts)
15. That's why we lose the war. Democrats need to develop killer instincts.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:46 PM
Dec 2024

Nancy Pelosi needs to give a class on how to debate to Dem politicians. Most of them are just too nice and easygoing. Republicans have had Newt Gingrich, Roger Ailes, Karl Rove to teach them how to win dirty. How did the Republicans get so good at psychology? I work in the field and only know of a few Republicans around.

Demsrule86

(71,531 posts)
17. I am fine with the pardon...if we want to beat the GOP, we need to play to win...
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:14 PM
Dec 2024

Why should Hunter be hounded for the rest of his life because he is Biden's son? Biden should also pardon every single person on Trump's enemy list.

yardwork

(69,236 posts)
12. Maybe there were more important things to do.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:41 PM
Dec 2024

I have a guess that Biden and Harris are working 24/7 to shore up as much as possible before orange guy and his wrecking crew move in. Taking time and energy for a PR stunt is rightly low on their list of priorities.

wnylib

(25,621 posts)
22. As a sideline comment, your post reminded me
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:29 PM
Dec 2024

of the complaints from Republicans when Clinton's staff turned over the WH offices to Bush Jr. They said that the Ws had been removed from all the keyboards.

mr715

(3,351 posts)
32. I realize it has been a long time
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:14 PM
Dec 2024

But the boss is on vacation now. And if it were really, really the fate of democracy, I'd expect him to work through the holiday.


MR

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
3. Who cares at this point?
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:42 PM
Dec 2024

Biden did it and it's done... He doesn't owe anything to any of these motherfuckers and their manufactured outrage, especially the ones who continue to turn a blind eye to Donnie's daily transgressions...

unblock

(56,139 posts)
5. Please. Republicans and the media would have howled the same or even more.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:45 PM
Dec 2024

They would have said it was a corrupt deal, that Harris only got to be president so that she could pardon hunter.

It would have been ugly, republicans always make it ugly.

calimary

(89,657 posts)
10. Agreed!
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:36 PM
Dec 2024

Who says we can’t short-sheet his bed? At least figuratively if not literally.

calimary

(89,657 posts)
11. I bet they were!
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:38 PM
Dec 2024

Manufactured outrage. Always look for “the man behind the curtain”. He might be the one with the orange face and painted hair.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
14. I don't know why anybody's even discussing it really considering what's coming
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:45 PM
Dec 2024

That could’ve worked, of course however, then there would be an uproar over that too.

Hamlette

(15,556 posts)
16. we are discussing this because the right wants us to discuss it so we don't discuss what's coming
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:09 PM
Dec 2024

they are experts at this and have a 24 gigantic media to keep it alive.

Who the flip cares? Do you care? Do you think people will remember this 30 years from now like they remember HW Bush pardoning his son?

Who WOULDN"T pardon their son? If Hunter's dad had not been the president he would not have been prosecuted. How could you look your son in the eye and say "I'm not pardoning you even though I am the reason for your troubles"?

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
28. Yes understand that
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:06 PM
Dec 2024

But dems should not be making an issue of it. I don’t watch news anymore for the most part so I don’t have listen to their crap. It seems to be mostly troll posts about it here.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,989 posts)
18. I wish people would stop with the promise bullshit, or he lied fuckery...
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:17 PM
Dec 2024

Smart people evolve. When 60 Minutes said vaccines cause autism, I decided not to vaccinate my boys. Things change. We learn new information. I changed my mind with new information and had my boys vaccinated. Did I lie when I said I wasn't going to vaccinate them and then I did? Hell no!

When Biden said he would not interfere, the chump was not going to be in charge. Trump's pet, Patel, has a hit list and Biden is on it. They have already gone after Hunter for things no look he else would have been charged with. They broke the plea agreement. Biden assessed the situation and evolved. No lies. Just common sense.

Escape

(434 posts)
19. Only one small improvement to your great idea
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:20 PM
Dec 2024

Biden resigns,
Harris becomes 47th,
Harris names Hillary Clinton VP.
Harris resigns,
Hillary becomes 48th.



Gore1FL

(22,919 posts)
24. I submit replacing a news cycle about one pointless thing with a news cycle about another pointless thing is not useful.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:36 PM
Dec 2024

There would be 24/7 outrage about Harris taking the position followed by 24/7 outrage about Harris pardoning Hunter Biden.

Outrage is all the right has; they will find a reason for it concerning any given topic on any given news day.

GiqueCee

(3,846 posts)
25. I don't think Biden made a pinkie swear...
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:39 PM
Dec 2024

... nor do I recall him "promising" anything to anyone. So let's drop the Chicken Little histrionics over Biden protecting his son from the malicious filth on the Dark Side of the Aisle, shall we? There are far more pressing issues to contend with.
I recall when Bush the Lesser's campaign targeted John McCain's adopted daughter with scurrilous accusations, and Dubya laughed off McCain's indignation with, "C'mon, John, it's just politics!"
No, Georgie, it was just being a fucking Republican with the moral compass of a rabid hyena.

J_William_Ryan

(3,453 posts)
26. "Because many times Democrats can't get out of their own way?"
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 05:47 PM
Dec 2024

No – because Democrats are held to a higher standard and are subject to a double-standard.

Republicans are allowed to get away with such a stunt; Democrats would be denounced, vilified, and pilloried.

CRK7376

(2,227 posts)
30. I liked this thought process
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:11 PM
Dec 2024

Should have tried it but we Democrats stay in the lines most of the time by being the honest broker and we don't whine when we lose. grouse a little bit and fill sorry for ourselves. Then we go be the big boys and girls in government doing work for our constituents!

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