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gopiscrap

(24,203 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:22 PM Wednesday

In response to United Health Care CEO misfortune let me tell you a true story

In 1987 at the age of 29, I came down with salivary gland cancer. Although it was tough and expensive, it was doable and I was in remission. Fast forward to 1993 and it came back with a vengance and metastasized. Because it was deemed a "pre-exisiting" condition, the insurance company (Blue Cross) denied coverage. I amassed 197K in medical bills and filed for brankruptcies more than the allowable amount of times in the specified period. Because, I did that the doctors were forced to continue with treatment and my life was saved. Because of that, I was charged with abuse of the US Bankruptcy laws and Contempt of the Federal Judicial Process. I pled guilty to contempt of court and a violation of the Judges order to cease filing. I spent 13 months in a Federal prison, I am now a felon and did probabtion for 3 years. In addition, we lost everything we had. But I also negotiated in court that the bill be reduced to 11K. Three lessons I got out of this: 1) everyone should be on a single payer universal health care like I had in Europe. 2) in the US you either pay with time or money 3) fuck insurance companies and the greedy assholes that run them

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In response to United Health Care CEO misfortune let me tell you a true story (Original Post) gopiscrap Wednesday OP
OMG Kali Wednesday #1
Santa Vaca MaineNative Wednesday #10
I too Puppyjive Wednesday #19
+1 dalton99a Wednesday #52
Can I steal your story? vapor2 Wednesday #55
Yes Puppyjive Wednesday #71
My employer would not give me light duty Puppyjive Wednesday #87
Im shocked too Demovictory9 Wednesday #64
That is fecking insane and immoral 😖 arthritisR_US Wednesday #90
OMG. I never heard of anyone going to jail for filing BK. SunSeeker Wednesday #2
because most of his bankrupties were on his gopiscrap Wednesday #4
Who or what prosecuted you? Dyedinthewoolliberal Wednesday #11
Feds gopiscrap Wednesday #15
Holy crap Alice Kramden Wednesday #83
Hey DENVERPOPS Thursday #116
Yes DENVERPOPS Wednesday #23
Someone made some serious bank off of your pain and suffering though ck4829 Wednesday #3
That someone would be lawyers. arthritisR_US Wednesday #91
More likely the health insurer.. whathehell Thursday #111
Dear god XanaDUer2 Wednesday #5
omigawd. barbtries Wednesday #6
preditory capitalisim. i have a friend who says communisim dosnt work, what about capitalisim AllaN01Bear Wednesday #45
my son calls it late stage capitalism barbtries Wednesday #56
Nobody on the horizon that appears able to stop them. rubbersole Wednesday #82
It will take the people, barbtries Wednesday #84
Unfortunately, the people did vote for "change" including UHC Justice matters. Thursday #119
Vastly inequitable systems dominated Europe for millennia misanthrope Thursday #99
but they didn't last. barbtries Thursday #100
Reign of terror of the biggest monsters in history. Farmer-Rick Thursday #115
You are talking about individual rulers misanthrope Thursday #127
Late stage capitalism KT2000 Thursday #118
I hope you are right MadameButterfly Friday #133
Same orangecrush Wednesday #58
But what about the poor wealthy healthcare executive!111 BannonsLiver Wednesday #7
OMG. So glad you made it. And WTHH kind of legal system do we have?? Joinfortmill Wednesday #8
I think that's the most horrible insurance company-related story I've ever read. Hope you're okay now, both healthwise Vinca Wednesday #9
What a sad and horrible story! JoseBalow Wednesday #12
In the FCI camp at Sheridan OR gopiscrap Wednesday #16
You are incredible, truly. Passages Wednesday #32
thanks you are very kind gopiscrap Wednesday #33
They are kind but really they are just being honest too🥰 arthritisR_US Thursday #92
If you gotta get locked up, a Federal camp is the best kind of time JoseBalow Wednesday #51
No I was there gopiscrap Wednesday #59
Oh, that sounds like not a fun time JoseBalow Wednesday #62
gopiscrap............ Upthevibe Wednesday #13
DuRec leftstreet Wednesday #14
Your story needs to be covered by Rachel Maddow jmbar2 Wednesday #17
Why aren't you? You should be. arthritisR_US Thursday #97
Just awful Johnny2X2X Wednesday #18
Why arent we (Americans) out protesting in the street about this? Why do we put up with it? IcyPeas Wednesday #20
People should be picketing insurance company offices instead of abortion clinics. Crunchy Frog Wednesday #43
Because the people affected are already sick and run down... druidity33 Wednesday #65
What an excellent post 🥰 arthritisR_US Thursday #93
Because the sick are the unseen and most aren't up to it. uponit7771 Thursday #105
President Nixon made it legal for insurance companies to profit from healthcare. patphil Wednesday #21
What a horrific journey... spanone Wednesday #22
I second that opinion. ChazInAz Wednesday #24
I hold my moms death to her shitty hmo XanaDUer2 Wednesday #25
Oh feck, this should not happen, my heart is with you mate♥️😪 arthritisR_US Thursday #95
I am so sorry, what a travesty. Passages Wednesday #60
A quick and brutal illustration of how corporate and state violence are intertwined, and as harmful as interpersonal WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #26
I am so sorry this happened to you. Loryn Wednesday #27
Dahawnbear DaHawnBear Wednesday #28
As a BK attorney I don't understand how this happened to you. The Bankruptcy Reform Act Pepsidog Wednesday #29
He died prior to arrival at hospital, so gunshot wound deemed a preexisting condition. His claim has been rejected. ZonkerHarris Wednesday #30
omg I am so sorry you and your family went through that. Passages Wednesday #31
THIS. - Hugs malaise Wednesday #34
thanks gopiscrap Wednesday #39
I'm glad you survived it Meowmee Wednesday #35
Murder is wrong. However... av8rdave Wednesday #36
That is awful mountain grammy Wednesday #37
That story is the worst I have ever heard! LittleGirl Wednesday #38
You should all be writing Biden for his pardon. arthritisR_US Thursday #94
I am so sorry, gopiscrap. sheshe2 Wednesday #40
It's absolutely insane that anyone would need to become a felon and do prison time Crunchy Frog Wednesday #41
Good Lord! This is a horrendous indictment of both the insurance industry and the "justice" system in this LoisB Wednesday #42
insurannce is a legal scam in my mind . how do pencil pushers get the right to make medical decisions . AllaN01Bear Wednesday #44
Always has been. Karasu Wednesday #73
Our Medical System Needs A Public Option - STAT! cer7711 Wednesday #46
I'm sorry that happened to you. Clouds Passing Wednesday #47
Have you applied for and received a pardon? LiberalFighter Wednesday #48
no I haven't gopiscrap Wednesday #50
If you decide to send one in I would sign it. flying_wahini Friday #132
Thank you for sharing this. More people need to understand this. live love laugh Wednesday #49
i am so sorry you went through that. The fear, the pain from cancer and then the fear, frustration, and punishment from Solly Mack Wednesday #53
Oh my gods. 💔 Hekate Wednesday #54
Good gawd orangecrush Wednesday #57
Holy crap! Ruby the Liberal Wednesday #61
You have got to be FAWKING kidding??? A gawd damn felon???? a kennedy Wednesday #63
meanwhile a CONvicted felon is going to run the country?? AllaN01Bear Wednesday #81
Sad thing for a supposed First World country . . . Aussie105 Wednesday #66
thank you all for your kind replies gopiscrap Wednesday #67
thank you all for your kind replies gopiscrap Wednesday #68
May I repost this on BlueSky? nt okaawhatever Thursday #122
Thanks for letting us know. That is disgusting. I can't imagine how you got through that. I hate insurance cos. Evolve Dammit Wednesday #69
Man, if THAT story is not enough to prove our healthcare system is 'effed up... 70sEraVet Wednesday #70
Prison?!? Karia Wednesday #72
Infuriating!!! Such a massive injustice Arazi Wednesday #74
I have been flippantly saying that if it wasn't for Tricare my family would be homeless or I'd have a black LT Barclay Wednesday #75
What a nightmare for you, and terrifying for the rest of us! calimary Wednesday #76
Not even close to an uncommon story Nigrum Cattus Wednesday #77
Yes it is more common than many realize Lifeafter70 Thursday #126
Truly unbelievably horrific story, but Sogo Wednesday #78
You went to prison for getting sick? Trueblue Texan Wednesday #79
i have have met several danish people + my epal arne had AWESOME DANISH HEALTH CARE. college is free too i think. pansypoo53219 Wednesday #80
That sounds terrifying. Vibes to your good health applegrove Wednesday #85
my salivary gland cancer was diagnosed as "squamous cell carcinoma" rampartd Wednesday #86
I am so sorry gopiscrap Wednesday #88
i've been clean for aby 2 years now rampartd Thursday #98
My son was diagnosed with ACC cancer in 2016, stageIV. Lifeafter70 Thursday #121
8'm glad ypu still jave him rampartd Thursday #123
I'm lucky to be in good health Lifeafter70 Thursday #124
my wife worked t a grocery until she qualifued for medicare rampartd Thursday #125
A healthcare horror story jfz9580m Wednesday #89
Had health ForgedCrank Thursday #96
I am so sorry you went through this LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #101
Our family doctor got to the point where he would not accept United Health Care from any of his patients. BComplex Thursday #102
Sorry you had to go through so much adversity. Glad you survived to tell your story. It was horrible then and akbacchus_BC Thursday #103
You are a tough person, Mr. Mustard 2023 Thursday #104
What 3auld6phart Thursday #106
I just dropped United Healthcare signed up for something else. Linda ladeewolf Thursday #107
Thanks for sharing your heart breaking story with the medical system. Glad you and your family survived such akbacchus_BC Thursday #108
Trump will make these problems great again IronLionZion Thursday #109
Thanks to ACA, pre-existing denials are very rare. Silent Type Thursday #110
Notice that not one of the site's pearl clutchers responded to your OP tenderfoot Thursday #112
Exactly nt XanaDUer2 Friday #135
For-profit Healthcare is evil Sugarcoated Thursday #113
Horrific cilla4progress Thursday #114
This is why nobody feels bad about that schmuck in NYC who got popped ThePartyThatListens Thursday #117
Truth. Kid Berwyn Thursday #120
Thom Hartman has been talking down Medicare "Advantage" plans for quite a while. SupportSanity Thursday #128
Geeeebz! Horrific: the illness, being imprisoned(!), fighting to get your bill reduced... electric_blue68 Thursday #129
thank you, you are very kind gopiscrap Friday #130
Oh, yw. My folks raaised us to have empathy -unlike- certain people. electric_blue68 Friday #131
BIDEN SHOULD PARDON YOU TO HIGHLIGHT cpamomfromtexas Friday #134

MaineNative

(16 posts)
10. Santa Vaca
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:05 PM
Wednesday

That is some horrible shit. And we've got one of the biggest cowards (Collins) here in Maine who, I think, deliciously squirms over this. I am glad you perservered.

Puppyjive

(602 posts)
19. I too
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:41 PM
Wednesday

My son was born premature. My employer based insurance cancelled me based on my pregnancy. They gave me a United Healthcare plan. They fought me for years on my bills. They couldn't decide if i was one person or two. I sued my employer for pregnancy discrimination and won. United Healthcare was part of the lawsuit. The whole experience changed me fundamentally. I loath United Healthcare. That was suppose to be a happy time in my life. They took that from me.

Puppyjive

(602 posts)
87. My employer would not give me light duty
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:55 PM
Wednesday

I asked for light duty and they told me they could not because they would have to give the men light duty. They told me if I quit, they would take away my health benefits. I worked until my water broke shortly after my shift. Just found out my son has been hearing impaired since birth. It was enough to keep him from joining the Air Force. Ya, I could write a book. Had a pregnancy in the Air Force that was horrendous. I was in Saudi Arabia when I found out I was pregnant. They told me I could get stoned to death for not being married.

SunSeeker

(53,928 posts)
2. OMG. I never heard of anyone going to jail for filing BK.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:48 PM
Wednesday

Trump filed BK 6 times!! How was that not an abuse of the system?

DENVERPOPS

(10,047 posts)
23. Yes
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:46 PM
Wednesday

He made it into an art, and called it negotiations and a smart business tactic........

If you think it's already bad, just wait for the horrors that are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ck4829

(36,085 posts)
3. Someone made some serious bank off of your pain and suffering though
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:48 PM
Wednesday

But for some reason, that isn't the crime.

barbtries

(29,913 posts)
6. omigawd.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:53 PM
Wednesday

you were 29 years old! Just getting started.

I agree. Capitalism has definitely run amok in the US. Corporate media has failed the country massively due to their fealty to their own bottom line over the American people. Health insurance companies will KILL you if they can before they fix you.

Well, there's going to be a lot to see in the new year and the years following that. As a people, I hope we are ready to rise in opposition to the fascist authoritarian takeover of our country.

PS I'm happy you got away with your life! and deplore what those fucks did to you in the process.

barbtries

(29,913 posts)
56. my son calls it late stage capitalism
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:40 PM
Wednesday

I am tempted to refer to it as end stage. the wealth inequality is simply not sustainable.

Justice matters.

(7,560 posts)
119. Unfortunately, the people did vote for "change" including UHC
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:13 PM
Thursday

IMHO back in 2008 and 2012 but to no avail. The crooked insurance lobbies made sure to contribute tons of mighty dollars so they would keep their privileges to wreck the the lives of the lower classes that can barely manage to make ends meet. Sure, there's the ACA but it's not UHC, and the ACA is about to get trashed.

The richest country in the world (for a selected few who buy politicians to make sure they always own more) cannot have a fair healthcare system like all the other democracies in the western hemisphere have.

Nope. Vote for it and after decades, you're back to square zero...

After that, politicians ask themselves why voters don't care to go back to vote because they don't believe the promises are not straight out lies after decades (maybe).

misanthrope

(8,283 posts)
99. Vastly inequitable systems dominated Europe for millennia
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:24 AM
Thursday

Same with other portions of the globe. It isn't that those systems can't last for the long haul. It is democracy that can't survive in those systems.

barbtries

(29,913 posts)
100. but they didn't last.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:24 AM
Thursday

i make no claim regarding how long it will take. Like a lasting peace: just because I won't see it in my lifetime doesn't mean i can't advocate for it.

Farmer-Rick

(11,500 posts)
115. Reign of terror of the biggest monsters in history.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:55 PM
Thursday

The biggest monsters that I recall reigns of terror:

Hitler 12 years
Pinochet 17 years
Putin 20 years and counting
Stalin 29 years
Mao 33 years

I see a trend of sorts.

There are many, many more. I'm actually surprised at how many dictators have caused mass murders and hundreds of thousands of deaths of the very people that put them into power. And their reigns are short compared to how long America was a democracy. And they frequently died with very little reward.

Should we blame Trump for all the COVID deaths in his short resign of terror of 4 years? Over 400,000 Americans died while he was president. And the additional deaths after he tried a coupe could be blamed on him as well since he did basically nothing to stop the pandemic.

I think we should blame him for 750,000 COVID deaths out of 1.1 million. Considering his last term was only 4 years, he sure killed a lot of Americans for such a short term. I wonder what the number of dead Americans will be when he finishes this term....err....life.

misanthrope

(8,283 posts)
127. You are talking about individual rulers
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:18 PM
Thursday

The post I was replied to seemed to insinuate that wealth inequality made a system's destruction unavoidable in short order. Inequitable systems -- monarchies, feudalism, etc -- dominated mankind for the majority of its history. True self-rule is what's delicate and many times those systems degrade into a kabuki of their intended aim.

KT2000

(20,906 posts)
118. Late stage capitalism
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:08 PM
Thursday

is cannibalism. They have to devour everything until it no longer exists. Stupid.

MadameButterfly

(1,854 posts)
133. I hope you are right
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:37 AM
Friday

This rage is actually encouraging to me.
I knew the statistics but the lone consistent champion for single payer gets labeled radical
Now everyone is sounding like Bernie.
It took a murder?

Vinca

(51,157 posts)
9. I think that's the most horrible insurance company-related story I've ever read. Hope you're okay now, both healthwise
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:02 PM
Wednesday

and financially. If Biden was going to pardon anyone, he ought to pardon you.

JoseBalow

(5,482 posts)
12. What a sad and horrible story!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:12 PM
Wednesday

I don't blame you for doing what you had to do to save your life.

Where did you do your time?

gopiscrap

(24,203 posts)
16. In the FCI camp at Sheridan OR
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:33 PM
Wednesday

I started a Roman Catholic Prison Choir while there that became the model for other prisons around the nation

JoseBalow

(5,482 posts)
51. If you gotta get locked up, a Federal camp is the best kind of time
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:25 PM
Wednesday

All prisons suck, of course, but it could be much worse. Still, I'm sorry you went through that.

I knew a guy who did 3 years at Sheridan, in the Medium next door. Were you there when they rioted and set fire to it? I think it was around that same time, early 90s.

gopiscrap

(24,203 posts)
59. No I was there
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:56 PM
Wednesday

in 2000-2001 I spentthe first 5 months at the FDC in Seattle and then 4 months in the medium and the the final 3 in the camp.

JoseBalow

(5,482 posts)
62. Oh, that sounds like not a fun time
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:09 PM
Wednesday

I bet that FDC SeaTac sucked a lot... Five months, damn.

I'm glad that's all behind you, and hopefully you're cancer free.

Upthevibe

(9,211 posts)
13. gopiscrap............
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:20 PM
Wednesday

OMG........That's one of the worst stories I've heard. I'm so sorry you had to go through that...

I'm glad you're okay........

jmbar2

(6,172 posts)
17. Your story needs to be covered by Rachel Maddow
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:34 PM
Wednesday

Americans need to hear what it was like before ACA. Thank you for sharing your story.

Johnny2X2X

(21,834 posts)
18. Just awful
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:35 PM
Wednesday

And all because the elite in this country see people like you and think, "boy, that person is going through trauma, I bet I can make a ton of money off from it."

It's sick, people like Brian thompson are sick and evil.

IcyPeas

(22,673 posts)
20. Why arent we (Americans) out protesting in the street about this? Why do we put up with it?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:43 PM
Wednesday

How do doctors and hospitals put up with it? How many people have to go bankrupt, or worse, because of a medical condition? It's more than outrageous. And only happens in the USA.

The insurance company should've been the one jailed not you. I can't even imagine what you went through -- on top of being sick -- having to deal with this.

"Pre existing condition" what a made up insurance term!
When did that term come into existence I wonder?

druidity33

(6,574 posts)
65. Because the people affected are already sick and run down...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:29 PM
Wednesday

both physically and by the system. They get denied denied DENIED. They unfortunately often die. Everyone else is left to pick up pieces. The outrage is there but often people are burdened by their lives and their loss. It's a near perfect Con. If it weren't for the courageous survivors we would never even HEAR THEIR STORIES. So thanks for that GOPiscrap.

K&R with sadness.

patphil

(7,049 posts)
21. President Nixon made it legal for insurance companies to profit from healthcare.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:44 PM
Wednesday

Of course he had a lot of help, but he takes the hit for it.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-prior-to-1973-it-was-illegal-in-the-US-to-profit-from-health-care

He was a Republican, of course.

ChazInAz

(2,793 posts)
24. I second that opinion.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:48 PM
Wednesday

I hold United directly responsible for my wife's death and the subsequent bankruptcy.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,016 posts)
26. A quick and brutal illustration of how corporate and state violence are intertwined, and as harmful as interpersonal
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:52 PM
Wednesday

violence. I'm so sorry you went through that.

Pepsidog

(6,317 posts)
29. As a BK attorney I don't understand how this happened to you. The Bankruptcy Reform Act
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:11 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)

signed by W after he was elected to a second term made a change in Chapt. 7 law that presumed all BK filing were made in “Bad Faith” . Prior to that the law presumed BK filings were filed in “Good Faith”. This is where Sen. Warren came to national attention as an academic fighting against the BK reform act. Today, many BKs filed due to medical debt, divorce, and job loss. I didn’t start doing Bks until the early 2000s so I can’t say what the law was like when you filed. Also, BK laws can be significantly different from State to State or Federal Circuit Districts as SCOTUS doesn’t decide many BK cases so the application of the BK Code can differ from state to state.

ZonkerHarris

(25,342 posts)
30. He died prior to arrival at hospital, so gunshot wound deemed a preexisting condition. His claim has been rejected.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:20 PM
Wednesday

Passages

(1,306 posts)
31. omg I am so sorry you and your family went through that.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:26 PM
Wednesday

I cried reading it, the US is insanely unfair all due to the donor class.


I am so happy you survived!

Universal healthcare should be on our platform...disgraceful that is not.

Meowmee

(5,878 posts)
35. I'm glad you survived it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:36 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Terrible you were prosecuted. You did the right thing imo. I once talked with someone who had embezzled money to pay for his mil huge bill for cancer.

Edit to add * This is another tragic and painful example of not only that we need universal healthcare, but that healthcare costs are way too high and need to be controlled, not just pharmaceutical costs. My paternal uncle was a doctor in Canada for many years, and he was head of a hospital ward. He made a very good living but no one was ever overcharged or bankrupted because costs are controlled. He did not go into medicine to become a millionaire, but to help people. He was a great doctor and diagnostician which is the most important thing in medicine.

No one should ever have to be in the position you were in or be prosecuted for trying to save their own or someone else's life or for chronic care etc.. No one should be bankrupted or have to do what you and that other man did in desperation. It is the worst kind of exploitation to make huge un-needed profits off of people who are ill who have no choice.

av8rdave

(10,614 posts)
36. Murder is wrong. However...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:36 PM
Wednesday

IMO his obituary should include the numbers of people he killed and bankrupted.

LittleGirl

(8,462 posts)
38. That story is the worst I have ever heard!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:38 PM
Wednesday

Prison for filing bankruptcy? Omg, that’s disgusting. You’re two years older than me and I remember those days when you lost a days pay, just to go to the doctor. But cancer? My gawd. I hope that judge rots in hell for that decision. You truly should seek a pardon. So glad you’re still with us. Love your username.

sheshe2

(87,859 posts)
40. I am so sorry, gopiscrap.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:41 PM
Wednesday

That is a terrible thing to have been put through. Glad to hear your life was saved💙

Crunchy Frog

(27,068 posts)
41. It's absolutely insane that anyone would need to become a felon and do prison time
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:44 PM
Wednesday

just to get lifesaving medical treatment.

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I'm certain that you're far from the only one who's been victimized in that way.

I'm certainly not advocating or trying to justify anything, but it doesn't surprise me that occasionally someone gets so upset that they decide to take some kind of direct action, and that there are others who don't feel particularly bad about it when it happens.

LoisB

(8,863 posts)
42. Good Lord! This is a horrendous indictment of both the insurance industry and the "justice" system in this
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:49 PM
Wednesday

country. I am so glad your life was saved because you sure got effed over. Disgusting.

AllaN01Bear

(23,193 posts)
44. insurannce is a legal scam in my mind . how do pencil pushers get the right to make medical decisions .
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:57 PM
Wednesday

Karasu

(285 posts)
73. Always has been.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:38 PM
Wednesday

It's a scam that society immediately decided to normalize, because capitalism. The profit motive has to apply to literally fucking everything, don't you know.

cer7711

(518 posts)
46. Our Medical System Needs A Public Option - STAT!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:19 PM
Wednesday

The suffering you endured is unconsionble.
Our medical system is insane! Cruel. arbitrary, sociopathic.

Clouds Passing

(2,535 posts)
47. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:19 PM
Wednesday

I almost died because I didn’t have health insurance. The medical delivery system in the US is so disgustingly fucked up. I don’t know why anyone would want to move to this country unless they’re insanely wealthy. Johnson should have negotiated insurance for all Americans not just seniors and disabled. Obama should have negotiated for healthcare for all not this ridiculous insurance fiasco. And now under the dumpster healthcare is going to get a lot more expensive and a lot harder to obtain in this country. Thank you, assholes!

Solly Mack

(93,050 posts)
53. i am so sorry you went through that. The fear, the pain from cancer and then the fear, frustration, and punishment from
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:28 PM
Wednesday

your insurance and the legal system.

Horrific.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,322 posts)
61. Holy crap!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:08 PM
Wednesday

I am so very sorry that you have gone through this - and are still paying the price. Healthcare should NOT be a commodity, available only to those who can afford it and at the whims of the market with a primary goal of maximizing shareholder value.

Our system is beyond inhumane.

a kennedy

(32,233 posts)
63. You have got to be FAWKING kidding??? A gawd damn felon????
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:17 PM
Wednesday

OMG. Damn gopiscrap. And 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 I am soooooooooooooooo sorry.

gopiscrap

(24,203 posts)
67. thank you all for your kind replies
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:45 PM
Wednesday

I didn not ut this out there to generate sympathy, but I do appreciate your kind thoughts.

I am very blest and or lucky how ever you miht consider it. I lived, my debt is fully paid and I have work that does not care if I have a felony or not. It is the kind of work that is fulfilling. I have a huge community of friends and support system. So once again, thank you, I love this online community and the very few I have met in person.

gopiscrap

(24,203 posts)
68. thank you all for your kind replies
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:45 PM
Wednesday

I didn not ut this out there to generate sympathy, but I do appreciate your kind thoughts.

I am very blest and or lucky how ever you miht consider it. I lived, my debt is fully paid and I have work that does not care if I have a felony or not. It is the kind of work that is fulfilling. I have a huge community of friends and support system. So once again, thank you, I love this online community and the very few I have met in person.

Evolve Dammit

(18,955 posts)
69. Thanks for letting us know. That is disgusting. I can't imagine how you got through that. I hate insurance cos.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:10 PM
Wednesday

70sEraVet

(4,196 posts)
70. Man, if THAT story is not enough to prove our healthcare system is 'effed up...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:24 PM
Wednesday

Glad you're still around to tell it, gopiscrap!

Karia

(186 posts)
72. Prison?!?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:35 PM
Wednesday

OMG that is horrible. You should never ever have had to go through all that but I am heartened by your recovery.

My husband’s oncologist prescribed an expensive but very effective new drug. The insurance company delayed authorization and made us jump through lots of hoops for over 4 months. He eventually got the drug, but by then my husband had become very sick and weak, and he died a few weeks later. I can’t prove that the delay made a difference, but in my heart I think it did. The anguish of the delay, as he went from being asymptomatic to dying, was torture for him & for our entire family.

Arazi

(6,994 posts)
74. Infuriating!!! Such a massive injustice
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:45 PM
Wednesday

I’m so glad you’re thru it but nothing about this is ok

🤬

LT Barclay

(2,761 posts)
75. I have been flippantly saying that if it wasn't for Tricare my family would be homeless or I'd have a black
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:50 PM
Wednesday

Sedan following me to have someone inside try to get money or break my legs. My wife has probably used a few million in benefits.
So I will have a different perspective on that thought after reading your story.
I’m sorry that you went through that and as has been said elsewhere, I’m sorry that you have to see so many of the people in this country approve of what happened.
I pray that there are brighter horizons for you and you have peace in your future.

calimary

(84,494 posts)
76. What a nightmare for you, and terrifying for the rest of us!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:09 PM
Wednesday

I’m so sorry you had to go through all that, gopiscrap.

I hope all the bad stuff is behind you by now (or at least close to it).

Nigrum Cattus

(190 posts)
77. Not even close to an uncommon story
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:29 PM
Wednesday

Being a multi malignancy survivor I know the very necessary treatments
that insurance will & will not cover and to what extent. Single payer is the
only reasonable solution. Just imagine what the U.S. could do with the 20%
guaranteed profit the worthless "health" insurance companies take. Here is
a link to a substack article.https://healthcareuncovered.substack.com/p/big-insurance-2023-revenues-reached

Lifeafter70

(374 posts)
126. Yes it is more common than many realize
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:43 PM
Thursday

I have two sons who were diagnosed with rare diseases. My youngest was diagnosed with dematomyosits in 1991. I had an hmo at the time, it was a nightmare of delay and denials. Many times I would have to pay for his medication with credit cards and wait for reimbursement. That would take months. I wrote a lot of letters back then advocating for health care reform. Lived in California and we finally got the "fair claims act" passed. This law kept them from keeping you in the loop of denial and delay.

Sogo

(5,809 posts)
78. Truly unbelievably horrific story, but
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:35 PM
Wednesday

your will to beat both the cancer and the "system" was probably the determining factor in your survival.

Your experience is emblematic of how broken our insurance system is.

I'm so glad you survived....

Trueblue Texan

(2,973 posts)
79. You went to prison for getting sick?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:46 PM
Wednesday

What kind of sick fucking society allows that? Jesus fucking Christ! Don't tell me to watch my language! This is an absolute obscenity!

pansypoo53219

(21,767 posts)
80. i have have met several danish people + my epal arne had AWESOME DANISH HEALTH CARE. college is free too i think.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:53 PM
Wednesday

he had asthma. he visited USA years ago. he got sick on the plane. spent a few days in a nyc hospital. he did 3 weeks in nyc, dc + chicago. the last week he spent in WI. he asked to make a call to DK. time issue. he reported about his hospital stay etc. a few weeks later my aunt was [paid for the phone bill. hhis care was paid for + he even got money for the vacation time he lost. we don't demand better.

my mom was in medical records. somebody gets paid to xerox files. socialism is not communism. not that they give a shit now.

applegrove

(123,439 posts)
85. That sounds terrifying. Vibes to your good health
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:50 PM
Wednesday

and that Trump gets that the public policy economic model of Healthcare for all proves that single payer or public Healthcare is at the same time cheaper and fairer than private Healthcare. Healthcare has a bugaboo in it that means preventive care, regular appointments and treatment of small things, saves the system money in the end. I learnt that at University in Halifax, Nova Scotia. US Healthcare per person is way more expensive than per person care in Canada or Europe by about a third.

rampartd

(625 posts)
86. my salivary gland cancer was diagnosed as "squamous cell carcinoma"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:53 PM
Wednesday

2 years of chemotherapy every 2 weeks, so much raduation that i'm done for life, and surgery to remove the tumor which by then was softball sized.

without medicare i would be bankrupt, homeless and probably dead.

rampartd

(625 posts)
98. i've been clean for aby 2 years now
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:09 AM
Thursday

modern medicine is nothing short of miraculous, but few americans can afford it

Lifeafter70

(374 posts)
121. My son was diagnosed with ACC cancer in 2016, stageIV.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:04 PM
Thursday

He has gone through two surgeries and two types of radiation, last one was gamma knife. Acc is rare, with little to no research. His last radiation cost 60 grand
Thank God for Medicare I paid a little over 2 grand as his share of cost. I'm 72 and still working cause he can't. It is a daily struggle that we know he will eventually lose.

Lifeafter70

(374 posts)
124. I'm lucky to be in good health
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:24 PM
Thursday

I have worked for the same grocery for 20 years. Its gets harder as I get older but it keeps my family feed and housed. Couldn't do that on ss alone.
I can't imagine trying to get a job at 72.

rampartd

(625 posts)
125. my wife worked t a grocery until she qualifued for medicare
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:33 PM
Thursday

i dom't think she could have done it much longer.

take care of yourself, life FTER 70. IT HAS BEEN NICE CHATTING.

jfz9580m

(15,542 posts)
89. A healthcare horror story
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:47 PM
Wednesday

I am very sorry you had to go through that. It must have been hell..first getting ill and then being sent to prison for that.

All the very best to you..greed and hubris will destroy the world..

BComplex

(9,139 posts)
102. Our family doctor got to the point where he would not accept United Health Care from any of his patients.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:44 AM
Thursday

He lost a few patients whose companies' health care plans used UHC, but as soon as their companies changed plans, they came back to him. I don't blame him.

UHC was the ultimate worst.

akbacchus_BC

(5,784 posts)
103. Sorry you had to go through so much adversity. Glad you survived to tell your story. It was horrible then and
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:52 AM
Thursday

it will be worst now under the dictator. He is appointing rapists, crooks and liars to his cabinet. This time he may succeed in killing the ACA. Only hope that it will take too long and come 2026, more Dems will get elected after the dicks realize they voted for a destroyer in chief.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(252 posts)
104. You are a tough person,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:22 AM
Thursday

and what you've had to process and endure - while being sick - makes me ashamed of the U.S.A.

Remember this; Health Insurance Companies add ZERO value to the service of health care. Doctors, nurses, medical administrators, custodians and x ray technicians for example add value to the services.

Health insurance people interrupt the flow of health services, and provide no direct value to the services necessary to provide health care.

Yet we enshrined the health insurance companies by guaranteeing them gov't subsidies with zero price controls, AND they can charge us on the other side too, with fees and deductibles. We are paying them from both sides, and they can raise prices at will but still to them NOT GOOD ENOUGH, oh no.

They want to take our money when we're desperate, while providing little to no care. Your story is a perfect example.

Remember this when Elon and team scream "efficiency" the government must be "efficient". It's not efficiency it's the ability to raid the treasury and not be held accountable for it.

Linda ladeewolf

(455 posts)
107. I just dropped United Healthcare signed up for something else.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:07 AM
Thursday

I don’t think of trumps cabinet as a cabinet, it’s a gang, a street gang of the worst people he could pick. Since some of the legislators are the same kind of people, they just don’t see it as bad. The American people really should put more thought into the selection of our government.

akbacchus_BC

(5,784 posts)
108. Thanks for sharing your heart breaking story with the medical system. Glad you and your family survived such
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:29 AM
Thursday

an ordeal. Hope the ACA is more affordable. I honestly believe in single payer universal health care. It boggles my mind that the richest rethugs in the House and Senate do not want good health care for everyone. Do the supporters/voters of these rethugs are so rich that they can pay for all their health care with no fear of filing for bankruptcy?

IronLionZion

(47,036 posts)
109. Trump will make these problems great again
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:30 AM
Thursday

by taking us back to pre-existing conditions and annual/lifetime caps and worse ways to deny care. The MAGA movement wants people to die as evidenced by their behavior during COVID.

tenderfoot

(8,864 posts)
112. Notice that not one of the site's pearl clutchers responded to your OP
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:57 PM
Thursday

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

SupportSanity

(1,163 posts)
128. Thom Hartman has been talking down Medicare "Advantage" plans for quite a while.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:43 PM
Thursday

He's always said go straight Medicare.

Unfortunately, your story is a great example for him to read on the air.

What severe Hell to go through.

Awfully sorry to hear it.

Still alive, though. A lot of smart moves on your part. Bittersweet win. But still a win.

electric_blue68

(18,428 posts)
129. Geeeebz! Horrific: the illness, being imprisoned(!), fighting to get your bill reduced...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:33 PM
Thursday

Glad you made it through. Hoping No new illness, or condition gets you for a whole bunch of years!
And may no cancer ever, ever, ever(!) darken your doorstep again!!!
(This is the prayer I say for my dear family, and friends who are survivors.)

I certainly was/am for The Public Option; even better Single Payer!

I do love that you started a Prison Choir! Trying to bring some uplift, joy, and strength to difficult situation

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