Murder is wrong. An eye for an eye is wrong. He has family and friends who are grieving. Tragic.

[av8rdave]

However, IMO it’s not at all inappropriate for the UHC CEO’s obituary to include the numbers of people he bankrupted and killed.

[Frasier Balzov]

1. Guns and ammunition in the hands of the public.

Plus a silencer in the case of this killing.

Settle grievances, express displeasure, solve personal problems.

[Sneederbunk]

2. Taking the Madame Nhu approach?

[Fullduplexxx]

3. Im not going to cry over a murdered murderer

[av8rdave]

11. Nor am I

But if we advocate murder we’re no better than him.

[Think. Again.]

29. I haven't seen any posts advocating murder....

....I would hope they'd be removed.

[dchill]

51. Not crying is not advocating.

I feel more sorry for his victims than I do for him. That's just the way it is.

[DenaliDemocrat]

71. I'm not

I’m all for vigilante justice when the world is a better place without some POS in it

[TheProle]

23. No tears required.

But I'd like to know what law he specifically broke that is tantamount to murder. If you have one, let's see it.

And even if you can, extrajudicial execution of someone not convicted of murder is abhorrent and against all civilized norms.

The irony is especially thick on a site where probably 99% of users are against the death penalty even after trials and appeals, but shrug at an execution on broad daylight in the nation's largest city.

[Fullduplexxx]

24. he broke no laws because they made murder legal as long as it is done through insurance.

many people are calling that murder karma

[TheProle]

26. "Murder" is, by definition, unlawful.

So if he was a murderer, there would have to have been a law violated.

Words mean things.

There is no such thing as legal murder.

[LearnedHand]

32. Tell that to the women in Texas who die for lack of miscarriage care

[Hekate]

46. THIS

[Dem2theMax]

33. There is the death penalty.

In this country, if a person is executed, their death certificate says their cause of death was 'homicide.' Legal murder.

[TheProle]

36. No.

https://www.zswlaw.com/blog/2017/02/every-murder-is-a-homicide-but-not-every-homicide-is-a-murder

[Fullduplexxx]

38. right so you dont call it murder you call it something else , like pre-existing conditions when they were allowed

[Stargazer99]

60. You want to bet? There should be a moral to a law not just legally allowing let someone die when it

didn't need to be like my daughter-just medication would have prevented her death but you who have money frankly have nasty values and rationalize it away

[Happy Hoosier]

67. I'd disagree with your definition...

It is, of course, technically true, but not morally IMO.

I'd call murder an unjustified killing. And the deaths he and his company are responsible for are murder by that definition, whether recognized by the law or not.

After all, cops kill people all the time and we often see it as "murder" even if the legal system decides to give the cops a pass. How many unarmed young men have been murdered by cops who the legal system determines was "justified?"

[Groundhawg]

43. this is false. not murder. murder is illegal.

[Stargazer99]

61. Not when you ignore the lack of morality in a law

[Groundhawg]

62. The law is what defines murder.

[keithbvadu2]

80. Alas! The law is about what is legal... not what is just, or fair, or moral.

A new law can reverse what used to be legal or not legal.

Different Bibles, different commandments...

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not murder.

[Fullduplexxx]

65. Apparently not when it's done by an algorithm

The nation's largest health insurance company, pressured its medical staff to cut off payments for seriously? Ill patients in lockstep with a computer algorithms calculations, denying rehab here, care for older and disabled americans as prophets soared, a s t a t investigation has found.
United healthcare group has repeatedly said its algorithm, which predicts how long patients will need to stay in.Rehab is merely a guidepost for their recoveries. But inside, the company, managers delivered a much different message: That the algorithm was to be followed precisely so, payment could be cut off by the date it predicted

[Groundhawg]

68. Perhaps you should have filed murder charges on him already?

[Fullduplexxx]

69. Cant because that is legalize murder

Like this woman
Kendall brown writes
Today I'm thinking about the time united healthcare suddenly decided to stop paying for my chemotherapy. They didn't bother telling me so the nurses had to tell me when I checked in at the cancer center for my next treatment

Legalized murder certainly attempted

[Groundhawg]

73. There is no such thing as legal murder.

[Fullduplexxx]

76. I disagree . Cutting people offer from their cancer medicine is murder

And yet no one gets arrested for it, hence legal murder.
Cutting people off of cancer treatments because the insurance company says they had acne which is a pre-existing condition is murder, but no one gets arrested for it.
Not only that, but they're rewarded for what they did.

[Groundhawg]

81. Please give me a link showing legal murder exists

[Fullduplexxx]

84. I think ive explained myself well enough

You want links look up people who have died because their insurance delayed denied or canceled expensive treatmentments .. or people dying because they were told pimples were a pre-existing condition

[Groundhawg]

86. No, I want you to show me where at any time murder is legal. What you describe isn't murder.

[Fullduplexxx]

87. What do you call an act in which someone dilberately does something to someone that causes that someone to die?

[Groundhawg]

88. Very unfortunate, and a call for congress to change the law that allows it to happen.

Fortunately no matter how disgusting, operating to one's advantage within the law isn't murder.

[Stargazer99]

89. with enough power one can make laws that go against logic and responsibility- wake up or do you benefit by the set up

financially and refuse to be honest with yourself

[Omnipresent]

78. When a judge hands down a sentence of death, it becomes legalized murder

[Groundhawg]

82. When a judge hands down a death sentence, it isn't murder.

[Omnipresent]

83. A person loses their life by the law..

So call it whatever you want, but that person gets killed as a consequence.

[Think. Again.]

31. I haven't seen any posts in favor of his murder, only his death.

[TheProle]

45. A thoughtful and well-reasoned post.

Thank you.

[TheProle]

49. Understood

My admiration of your post had far less to do with our overlapping areas of agreement and far more to do with how you laid out your thoughts, and the sensibilities that underpin them.

[Happy Hoosier]

4. His family can dab their tears with his piles of cash..

… he accumulated from the misery of others.

[ck4829]

5. How do we know it was "an eye for an eye" though?

I mean, if he stood up at any point and said "World's Greatest Healthcare? Don't make me laugh. That needs to mean something, it is unacceptable that Americans pay more and get less. And to an extreme. It's time to fix that and restore the American people's faith in healthcare." then he would have had hundreds of little red lights on his back.

Is there no way he ever considered doing the right thing?

[XanaDUer2]

6. I was scolded for posting that UHC Made 74 billion last quarter

That means to some I'm condoning his murder. I deleted it bc I'm not up today to any arguing.

[malaise]

16. Repost it's so I can rec it

[XanaDUer2]

19. I deleted it

Don't feel well today and wasnt gonna get into with the scolding squad. Thanks!

[malaise]

20. Hope you feel better tomorrow

[XanaDUer2]

21. Thanks

Long sad story. Going to ent dr and neuro headache clinic in weeks

[jfz9580m]

48. I hope you feel better XanaDUer2

I know from your posts you have been going through a hard time..all the best to you..

[SamuelTheThird]

57. They got there by having a 32% claim denial rate

The industry average is 16%

[DFW]

91. Only 32?

In my experience, it was more like 100%. Since United was that way with just about all our people, we ditched them.

We always took care of our people in need, but as often as not, out of our own pocket. When we were 120 people, it worked. Now that we’re somewhere between 800 and 900, it’s a different story. Now, we’re with Blue Cross. In my case, they deny everything, too, but with our people in the USA, they apparently don’t dare try to imitate United quite as closely.

[TxGuitar]

7. He was basically the head of

Murder, Inc. Fuck that guy and his uber wealthy family. It's just as much blood money as the Musk fortune.

[Prairie Gates]

8. Is this an Israel-Palestine post?

[av8rdave]

10. Nope.

The dead United Healthcare CEO.

[Prairie Gates]

12. LOL

[Cirsium]

9. Many

There are approximately 45 murder deaths per day in the US. They have family and friends who are grieving.

[onecaliberal]

30. I'm sure the vast majority of them didn't spend their days killing other people at their day job.

[Cirsium]

58. Correct

I hope that means that the abominable state of healthcare in the US is getting some attention then.

[CousinIT]

13. Agree.n/t

[malaise]

15. I get your point but

Thousands of people across this neo-liberal planet die every year because their health insurance companies denied them care.

I’ll mourn for those folks.

[Skittles]

17. apparently on DU gun violence can be A-OK depending on who is killed

[Think. Again.]

27. I haven't seen any DU posts discussing how he was murdered and that it was a good way...

...I've just seen posts discussing his death itself.

[markpkessinger]

18. What about when murder isn't done actively using a weapon, but passively by denying needed healthcare coverage?

Is that just as wrong?

[XanaDUer2]

22. Yes

[dalton99a]

25. Health insurance company executives belong to a special group of monster parasites.

[Upthevibe]

37. dalton99a.........

I agree 1000%....

[ColinC]

28. I am against the death penalty too

[Keepthesoulalive]

34. I am against the death penalty too

But why was he allowed to impose it on Americans who were ill so he could profit and there was no legal recourse. No one should be shot and killed but no one should die because they don’t have enough money to afford medical care.

[ColinC]

39. Its one of those unwritten rules in society for certain people -especially those who serve the rich and powerful

-or even the rich and powerful themselves. They are allowed to create their own rules -and their mere existence is sacrosanct. It's part of the reason police are also generally often allowed to singlehandedly sentence people to the death penalty. Or why a person convicted of 32 counts of fraud is elected president.

Of course I'm preaching to the choir.

Thing is "the death penalty" is just another word for murder. Being pro death penalty just means being pro murder by certain groups or individuals in society.

An Archaic and antiquated rule. Yet still a functioning one.

[edhopper]

35. Would you say that if a mob boss was killed

Or do you reserve your pearl clutching to those who have people killed legally?

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

40. he (and UHC) are getting trashed all over Reddit. I had no idea how hated they are

RIP dude

[LeftInTX]

41. Gizmodo wrote sn article sbout the trashing

[Hotler]

42. I doubt he and his family took time during the holidays to remember those the company

pulled the plug on.

[applegrove]

50. CNN was just saying there are 100 million americans who have United Health coverage.

[Demobrat]

52. And every one of them a suspect.

[Demobrat]

53. I care about him exactly as much as he cared about

the people he denied care to.

[usonian]

54. If murder is wrong, I seem to be living in the wrong country and planet.

And the worst scum on this planet wants to colonize space.

We need to get some better values on this planet, and not just pay them lip service.



If we don't, then the Vogon constructor fleet should "BUILD THAT HYPERSPACE BYPASS"

[Stargazer99]

90. God's law says to treat others as you want to be treated and also warns about worshiping Mammon

and we are surprised about this killing?

[usonian]

92. The disconnect between what people claim to believe and how they act and speak is astounding.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

56. Thoughts and prayers for the guy that caused the death of thousands of people

while making millions.

Don't give a fuck about his family either. Do you think they cared about the grieving families that his health insurance denied?

[Klarkashton]

59. Where have I heard "I am your retribution" before.

The idea is catching on apparently.

[alarimer]

63. I don't care if they are grieving.

He was making blood money and so are they, by association.

How many thousands of people died or needlessly suffered because of this company?

[Autumn]

64. He was a botton line guy, If he could save a buck it didn't matter who died.

So he's dead. I ran out of fucks to give a long time ago.

[Asa13]

66. Sucks to be his family and friends i guess

[GenThePerservering]

70. So many pearls

so much clutching.

[Patton French]

72. You're swimming upstream, my friend.

Which makes me sad for what we’ve become.

[LexVegas]

74. Murder is wrong. Also, I give no shits that the CEO guy is dead. nt

[Paladin]

75. Spare us the inevitable DU guilt trips, OK?

This CEO's policies shortened the lives of a large number of people. And in the course of those policies being put into effect, that CEO earned a fortune large enough to ensure that generations of his own family will live comfortably without ever having to work for a living. His death sends a long-overdue warning to the health care industry; here's hoping some beneficial changes come from it.

[Emile]

77. If his family and friends want sympathy he should

have bought the Gold plan.

[Woodwizard]

79. Yet this guy has gotten way more attention

And bleeding heart virtue signaling from many posters saying how horrified they are to some of the callous reactions on this site.

But just in November how many of the school shootings have gotten this type of attention?....


https://k12ssdb.substack.com/p/every-shooting-at-a-school-in-november

[oldmanlynn]

85. Meanwhile, Republicans are doing all kinds of things that are wrong

We have to start fighting fire with fire and I’m not saying that means murder people, but it means that we have to fight. It’s ridiculous to think that the obituary would have something like that because the obituary is controlled by the family of the person that died so that’s unrealistic.