CEO Killer: Domestic Terrorist

[TheProle]

Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5),
and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United
States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:
o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf/view

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Does it meet the criteria?

It seems the murder was intended to use coercion or intimidation to influence corporate , not government policy.

If a suspect is apprehended, I’m not sure they could be charged with anything but murder.

[TheProle]

2. Fair points,

Thanks for replying.

[yagotme]

4. I think Fiendy is correct. nt

[Ocelot II]

3. If he shot the CEO because of UHC's policies, it was in retaliation for

corporate behavior, not that of the government, so it doesn't meet the criteria for domestic terrorism.

[yardwork]

7. I agree. If that was the shooter's motive, it was an assassination.

Not all assassinations are intended to terrorize the public.

We don't know yet. If they catch the shooter maybe they'll tell us why they did it.

[Attilatheblond]

16. The Oligarch run state will ALWAYS declare an attack on them is an attack on 'the State'

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Sometimes, events in real life make me understands how Theodore John Kaczynski could have turned genius into violence. There should be limits to what capitalists are allowed to do, but instead we have tolerated widening what we, as a culture, will allow/accept.

Failure to place limits on exploitation and abuse in the name of profits is a good way to bring down one's own nation. Alas, the American Oligarchs figure the payback won't come in their lifetimes/generation.

Hello boys! Surprise.


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[Irish_Dem]

5. Wealthy corporations making billions fleecing and killing Americans are not the US government.

[Happy Hoosier]

11. And they do it legally....

UHC and its CEO are legally killing and financially ruining people. For money. Just fucking money.

[Irish_Dem]

13. Yes the US has made it legal to kill and torment Americans in many different ways.

The best sociopaths don't break the law, they make it.

[Attilatheblond]

20. That's the theroy anyway

In practice? Not so much anymore.

And it's gonna get a lot worse very soon. So much wealth in so few hands will ALWAYS lead to the richest thinking THEY are the state and using the power of the state for their own ends and security.

[mucifer]

6. So as usual special consideration for the wealthiest people.

[Ocelot II]

9. It's not special consideration. Attacking *anyone* for commercial behavior

doesn't meet the statutory definition of domestic terrorism.

[Attilatheblond]

21. Yep

[Kingofalldems]

8. Nope.

How about coordinated efforts to deny insurance coverage causing the death of thousands?

[Attilatheblond]

22. THAT is terrorism

Taking one guy out is NOT.

[GusBob]

10. Ignorant question

If this act was indeed revenge....

And it inspires other players to seek out revenge for perceived injustices large or small.... IOW an trend of "eye for eye" across the country....

does that fit the DT bill or is that more along the lines of stochastic terrorism?

[TheProle]

12. While it definitely seems like revenge

It was conducted in a very public manner, with references to a book that advocates for government action. Once they catch him, it'll be interesting to see if there's a manifesto of some sort and how that impacts confirmation of motive.

[sarisataka]

14. At the moment no,

there is no clear connection that it is intended to influence government policy. However, that may change when the person is caught, if evidence appears showing that was the goal.

[leftstreet]

15. LOL n/t

[TheProle]

24. Still laughing out loud?

Mangione's been charged with:

First-Degree Murder (Terrorism-related)
Second-Degree Murder (as a Crime of Terrorism)
Second-Degree Murder
Multiple Weapons Possession Charges
Possession of a Forged Instrument

https://manhattanda.org/d-a-bragg-announces-murder-indictment-of-luigi-mangione/

[k55f5r]

17. They've got to label the shooter a terrorist.

Because anything else would empower others to do the same. Oligarchs do not want that.

[jalan48]

19. Corporations are the State and have been for awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if this is classified as a terrorist act.

[Hotler]

23. Or domestic enemy as stated in the oath of office. And the orange one still walks free. nt