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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:13 PM Dec 2024

Sen Fetterman says Trump should be pardoned for NY Hush $ case - believes trial was "politically motivated"

Yashar Ali 🐘
Senator John Fetterman says he believes President-elect Trump deserves a pardon for the New York hush money case.

He says the pardon of Hunter Biden was warranted because he believes it was a politically motivated prosecution, but he also thinks the New York case against Trump was also politically motivated.
Video in tweet below
3:01 PM · Dec 5, 2024


WTAF???


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Sen Fetterman says Trump should be pardoned for NY Hush $ case - believes trial was "politically motivated" (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 2024 OP
He is not the same since his stroke. Basso8vb Dec 2024 #1
Getting to like him less and less. returnee Dec 2024 #10
Sadly that seems the case mvd Dec 2024 #11
Oh, maybe that's it. I was just going to ask... ananda Dec 2024 #22
Talk to the Governor of NY. Nt BootinUp Dec 2024 #2
Please STFU, Senator LearnedHand Dec 2024 #3
What a sad disappointment he has been Easterncedar Dec 2024 #4
Oh really? The Sick Fuck didn't Break the Law? Cha Dec 2024 #5
Zero. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2024 #51
I don't regret voting for him Eko Dec 2024 #6
Well then, if anything is going to be politically motivated, it's going to be all the Dems prosecuted under a Trump adm. Jit423 Dec 2024 #7
I don't get it! bluestarone Dec 2024 #8
Biden should have trump kiss him on both cheeks of his ass for a pardon... Omnipresent Dec 2024 #9
He was out of office, not running for anything Johonny Dec 2024 #12
Says the guy who needed the Senate dress code relaxed... Drum Dec 2024 #13
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #14
Clyburn, now Fetterman. Democrats are self-destructing. Enjoy the JohnSJ Dec 2024 #15
Why do our people keep falling for Fox bullshit every time? Initech Dec 2024 #54
never ever thought I would say this, but damn, I wish Conor Lamb had won the primary and the general Celerity Dec 2024 #16
And our side stuck with him through the depression ALBliberal Dec 2024 #17
I really don't like this guy. Shell_Seas Dec 2024 #18
Hoodie Sinema tenderfoot Dec 2024 #19
Seems you guys mistook Fetterman for a Progressive. DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 2024 #20
I must admit that I did, not being a constituent of his. Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #35
you (and I and millions of others) thought he was a progressive because that is what he called himself for many years Celerity Dec 2024 #42
He claimed the progressive label for himself for many years, and he begged for Sanders' help in 2016: Celerity Dec 2024 #40
Yeah, that kind of thing is all I knew about him. Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #68
There was nothing we could have done, he is the one who has flipped, after he was elected. He is well on his way (far Celerity Dec 2024 #70
Our side can have JD Vances, too Blaukraut Dec 2024 #52
We took him for a Democrat Bettie Dec 2024 #58
Fetterman will go the way of Tim Ryan. Buh Bye John. 617Blue Dec 2024 #21
Actually, it was not. alarimer Dec 2024 #23
No thank you. Passages Dec 2024 #24
What's with the rethug talking points coming from this so-called Democrat? brush Dec 2024 #25
Biden can't pardon the NY case - he can only pardon federal cases. Ocelot II Dec 2024 #26
Okay, I've had it with Fetterman. Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #27
What year Rebl2 Dec 2024 #31
Don't remember. Not that long ago. Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #33
I looked Rebl2 Dec 2024 #37
As BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #28
Michael Cohen also says the hush money case should be dismissed now. IcyPeas Dec 2024 #29
Huh. Well, I used to sort of like Cohen. Used to. nt Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #34
He's an ass. choie Dec 2024 #48
The Jury is the finder of fact and in this case the Jury found that Trump falsified business records. His attorney, surfered Dec 2024 #30
He's our new Joe Lieberman, La Coliniere Dec 2024 #32
lmaooooooo WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #36
Disagree of course 😣 Meowmee Dec 2024 #38
He's a DINO. N/T tonekat Dec 2024 #39
Not surprised by anything this guy says. Brenda Dec 2024 #41
It's all we got ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #50
They attack the "right" people at the time SunImp Dec 2024 #56
Trump is a lifelong criminal with no intention BootinUp Dec 2024 #43
Ok, that's it for me even giving him the benefit of doubt...... a kennedy Dec 2024 #44
Question, Fetterman, was he guilty or not ? republianmushroom Dec 2024 #45
Shut up Lurch! peregrinus Dec 2024 #46
I'm going to blow a blood vessel. choie Dec 2024 #47
Meet the New Joe Manchin everyone! ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #49
Seems to be the case Bettie Dec 2024 #57
And we will get a similar cult like fanclub defending him 24/7 SunImp Dec 2024 #60
Yep.... Bettie Dec 2024 #63
Hoodie Sinema (hat tip to DUer tenderfoot for that bit of genius) Celerity Dec 2024 #71
Good one ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #86
that's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say Takket Dec 2024 #53
Fuck this guy Picaro Dec 2024 #55
I feel vindicated nini Dec 2024 #59
We have too many cowards in Congress. walkingman Dec 2024 #61
WTF! pink Dec 2024 #62
So it's fine to falsify business records. I'll remind the CPA of that in a couple of months. Vinca Dec 2024 #64
Truly disappointing. spanone Dec 2024 #65
Which side are you on? This centrist shit is hurting the party. Emile Dec 2024 #66
TBH BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #67
Thanks for nothing, John 👎 Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #69
I asked this question before and got zero response, so I'll ask it again. Wiz Imp Dec 2024 #72
Well said. Dennis Donovan Dec 2024 #73
Only Bernie's effort to withhold weapons to Israel vote, but that lost 79 to 18 Polybius Dec 2024 #74
I haven't found anything recent. Wiz Imp Dec 2024 #82
TY.. yeah that Manchin Comparison Cha Dec 2024 #75
Russians have the best kompromat... dlk Dec 2024 #76
Are they trying to gain influence with Trump by siding with him? bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #77
Fetterman thinks Trump would have pardon Hunter Biden. Emile Dec 2024 #78
Is he consuming BS right wing media? diane in sf Dec 2024 #79
I completely disagree with Fetterman. City Lights Dec 2024 #80
Trump broke the law Fetterman GoreWon2000 Dec 2024 #81
Rule #1 of the Democratic Party: there Hassler Dec 2024 #83
Not satire? Cirsium Dec 2024 #84
LOL Democrats Thrill Dec 2024 #85

returnee

(925 posts)
10. Getting to like him less and less.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:24 PM
Dec 2024

Sure, let him abuse the system to get himself elected. Fuck, his crime was political, not the trial and conviction.

ananda

(35,141 posts)
22. Oh, maybe that's it. I was just going to ask...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:52 PM
Dec 2024

what happened to him?

He used to appear so decent.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
5. Oh really? The Sick Fuck didn't Break the Law?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:20 PM
Dec 2024

Was it politically motivated to charge him for Stealing Classified Docs, too?

Was it politicallly motivated for E Jean Carroll to Accuse him of Rape and he was found Guilty?

Sorry, that makes no sense.

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
7. Well then, if anything is going to be politically motivated, it's going to be all the Dems prosecuted under a Trump adm.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:23 PM
Dec 2024

The next Dem President should pardon them all.

bluestarone

(22,175 posts)
8. I don't get it!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:24 PM
Dec 2024

WTF? Will we always end up with a Manchin type? (never can count on their vote?)

Omnipresent

(7,450 posts)
9. Biden should have trump kiss him on both cheeks of his ass for a pardon...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:24 PM
Dec 2024

Then say, “Oh I forgot, I can’t pardon any state crimes!”..

Johonny

(26,178 posts)
12. He was out of office, not running for anything
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:27 PM
Dec 2024

When the charges were filed. If anything, people waited too long to charge him over politics.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Initech

(108,772 posts)
54. Why do our people keep falling for Fox bullshit every time?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:56 PM
Dec 2024

You want to blame the problem, go to the source!

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
16. never ever thought I would say this, but damn, I wish Conor Lamb had won the primary and the general
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:32 PM
Dec 2024

ALBliberal

(3,338 posts)
17. And our side stuck with him through the depression
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:34 PM
Dec 2024

hospitalization? Through the dress code issue?

Man oh man. Go pound sand Fetterman.

Hopefully he will be challenged by a real Democrat.

DJ Synikus Makisimus

(1,438 posts)
20. Seems you guys mistook Fetterman for a Progressive.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:51 PM
Dec 2024

He's not. Never was. Flying a pride flag and advocating for marijuana legalization doesn't make it so. He's the new Manchin, but v. 2.0 comes with more bluster and media savvy. Expect lots more horrible things from him, and then he'll be re-elected with massive AIPAC funding. Probably be Majority Leader someday.

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
42. you (and I and millions of others) thought he was a progressive because that is what he called himself for many years
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:28 PM
Dec 2024

see here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219792084#post40



He is a chameleon, a trojan horse. He is well down the road to being the new Sinema.

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
40. He claimed the progressive label for himself for many years, and he begged for Sanders' help in 2016:
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:20 PM
Dec 2024
A Member of “Bernie’s Army” Is Still Waiting for the Candidate’s Help

John Fetterman is running for Senate in Pennsylvania, one of the most expensive races in the country. He wants to know when the political revolution starts.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/04/john-fettermans-senate-campaign-needs-bernie-sanders-help.html

April 19, 2016

John Fetterman, the populist mayor and long-shot Democratic Senate candidate, was one of the first elected officials in the country to endorse Bernie Sanders for president. He is, like Sanders, a political outsider. A tattooed giant—6-foot-8, more than 300 pounds—he’s spent the past 11 years presiding over Braddock, Pennsylvania, a largely black town outside Pittsburgh that was wrecked by the collapse of the local steel industry. Income inequality is at the center of his campaign. “I think there’s a great deal of overlap” between Sanders’ platform and his own, he tells me, “whether it’s a $15-an-hour living wage or health care, trade deals, a rigged economy.” Ideologically, the only real difference between the two men is that Fetterman is more in favor of gun control. He has the date of every homicide in Braddock since his election—nine in all—inked on his right arm.

In February, the New Republic described Fetterman as part of “Bernie’s army,” a generation of Democratic candidates creating “a progressive revolution from within.” Like Sanders, Fetterman has raised most of the money for his primary online, from small-dollar donors. He’s in a three-way primary race against Joe Sestak, the defeated Democratic Senate candidate in 2010, and Katie McGinty, who has the backing of much of the national Democratic establishment. Fetterman’s criticism of McGinty echoes Sanders’ case against Hillary Clinton. “When she ran less than two years ago, she was for $9 an hour instead of $15,” he says, referring to the minimum wage. “She brought fracking to Pennsylvania, and she also supported NAFTA.” She has a massive financial advantage in what is currently the most expensive Senate race in the country, with more than $17 million already spent.



Given the money and political power stacked against him, Fetterman says he needs Sanders’ help to have any chance next Tuesday, the same day as the Pennsylvania presidential primary. So far, however, it has not been forthcoming. There’s been no endorsement, no fundraising support, no joint appearances. Fetterman’s campaign finds this confounding. On the ground, he says, there’s enormous overlap between his supporters and the Sanders grassroots. (“The crowd at the Fishtown brewpub is young, liberal, urban. They rave about Sanders—and Fetterman,” says a recent Philadelphia Inquirer story.) In a three-way race, he believes, Sanders’ backing could be decisive; Fetterman estimates that he’ll win if he gets 60 or 70 percent of Sanders’ voters.

Right now, that seems unlikely; a poll from early April had him at 9 percent of the vote, with 66 percent saying they haven’t recently seen, read, or heard anything about him, and 63 percent saying they didn’t know what his ideology was. The only ray of hope: When people had heard about him, what they heard made them like him more. Lacking the resources to get on the airwaves, he’s doing as much retail campaigning as he can, including going to Sanders rallies to talk to voters one on one. (The Sanders campaign didn’t respond to a request for comment.) “To me, Pennsylvania represents the perfectly framed battle within the party war of 2016,” Fetterman tells me. “Untold millions in outside money and establishment endorsements versus the will of Sanders’ grassroots supporters who could, quite literally, pick the next nominee in this state. That nominee, badly outspent, represents a decimated steel town on society’s economic fringe.”

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John Fetterman Endorses Bernie Sanders

Susan Calvin

(2,438 posts)
68. Yeah, that kind of thing is all I knew about him.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 2024

If I had been in the position of voting for him in a primary, I like to think I would have done more research.

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
70. There was nothing we could have done, he is the one who has flipped, after he was elected. He is well on his way (far
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 2024

from limited to just this subject at hand) to becoming, as DUer tenderfoot brilliantly labelled him, Hoodie Sinema.

Blaukraut

(5,998 posts)
52. Our side can have JD Vances, too
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:50 PM
Dec 2024

Fetterman is an opportunist. That's it. Nothing sinister about it. He saw PA shifting right, and he adjusted accordingly. If the midterms show a shift leftward, he will follow suit.

617Blue

(2,472 posts)
21. Fetterman will go the way of Tim Ryan. Buh Bye John.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:51 PM
Dec 2024

Trying to play it both ways ain't gonna work.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
23. Actually, it was not.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:06 PM
Dec 2024

This is tone-deaf and wrong.

Not sure what his deal is these days. Is he taking up the Joe Manchin mantle?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
25. What's with the rethug talking points coming from this so-called Democrat?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:45 PM
Dec 2024

That's pure rethug spew.

Ocelot II

(130,526 posts)
26. Biden can't pardon the NY case - he can only pardon federal cases.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:52 PM
Dec 2024

And even if he could, fuck Fetterman for suggesting it.

Susan Calvin

(2,438 posts)
33. Don't remember. Not that long ago.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 2024

I used to think he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Rebl2

(17,738 posts)
37. I looked
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:21 PM
Dec 2024

it up (don’t know why I didn’t in the first place). He was elected 2022 and took his seat in January of 2023. A while before he runs again, if he does run again.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
28. As
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:56 PM
Dec 2024

As a man who has personally suffered a stroke last December and am currently dealing with a myriad of health problems and an uncertain future, I have a vested interest in this. Trump is threatening to cut SS as well as Medicaid/Medicare. So I fervently say, go fuck yourself Fetterman.

IcyPeas

(25,474 posts)
29. Michael Cohen also says the hush money case should be dismissed now.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:57 PM
Dec 2024

These are fairweather friends.


choie

(6,905 posts)
48. He's an ass.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:54 PM
Dec 2024

Worried about his own ass being in trump”s crosshairs of retribution. Coward.

surfered

(13,462 posts)
30. The Jury is the finder of fact and in this case the Jury found that Trump falsified business records. His attorney,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:02 PM
Dec 2024

Michael Cohen, was found guilty for his part in the same crime.. Trump's Chief Financial Officer, Allen Weisselberg, was also found guilty of falsifying business records and you know Weisselberg didn't do that without Trump's knowledge. If Trump thinks he's being singled out, maybe he should stop criming.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
38. Disagree of course 😣
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:25 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 04:06 AM - Edit history (1)

And B can’t pardon that one afaik. Crazy times for many now. Orange psycho should never be pardoned for anything he did… if you can’t hold him accountable it is what it is now but no one should pardon him.

I’m disappointed to hear him say this. I’m sure we’re going to hear other d saying this too since some have already.

Brenda

(2,054 posts)
41. Not surprised by anything this guy says.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:24 PM
Dec 2024

I still can't believe people on DU thought he was cool when he said he should be able to wear shorts and flip flops into the Senate chambers.

At the same time people were so indignant that Jordan didn't wear a suit jacket and rolled his sleeves up, sometimes.

Why do Dems keep defending such awful people?

BootinUp

(51,320 posts)
43. Trump is a lifelong criminal with no intention
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:35 PM
Dec 2024

Of ending his crime spree.

And it is this proposal that is political.

a kennedy

(35,977 posts)
44. Ok, that's it for me even giving him the benefit of doubt......
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:51 PM
Dec 2024

Do not care what he says ANYMORE……..off my list. 🤬 🤬 🤬

republianmushroom

(22,323 posts)
45. Question, Fetterman, was he guilty or not ?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:01 PM
Dec 2024

A judge said he was 'GUILTY' as per the evident presented. It was political that he wasn't prosecuted sooner. Sounding more like a repuke everyday.

SunImp

(2,705 posts)
60. And we will get a similar cult like fanclub defending him 24/7
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:30 AM
Dec 2024

"You're going to miss him when he is gone." Or "Actually the people attacking him are in the wrong" from these losers. I mean there is already a few Thank you Fetterman threads by these same people.

pink

(532 posts)
62. WTF!
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:08 AM
Dec 2024

He's carrying on like Jared Moscowitz. Fetterman is starting to become an embarrassment and Jared Moscowitz is sounding like his family is being held hostage unless he sucks up to the MAGAs.

Vinca

(53,990 posts)
64. So it's fine to falsify business records. I'll remind the CPA of that in a couple of months.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 09:14 AM
Dec 2024

It's a shame we don't have any hush money payments to deduct as legal fees.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
69. Thanks for nothing, John 👎
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:31 AM
Dec 2024

FWIW, I always knew Fetterman was problematic ever since he pulled that shotgun on a black jogger minding his own business, but I also knew we desperately needed a Dem in that seat...

Now y'all see why I'm so paranoid about not knowing who to trust after Donnie's coronation... Damn near everyone who used to "resist" is crossing over to embrace Dear Leader as our "new normal", and it really fucking scares me.

Wiz Imp

(9,993 posts)
72. I asked this question before and got zero response, so I'll ask it again.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:33 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)

For those of you equating Fetterman with Manchin, please cite all of the votes he has made against Democratic priorities? Or name any legislation which he has helped scuttle because he wasn't on board with the rest of the Democrats in the Senate?

Look, I strongly disagree with him here. I actually watched his entire appearance on the view and disagreed with the vast majority of what he said there. I've been disappointed with a number of things he has said in the past year. But so far he's only disappointed me in some of his public statements. I'm not aware of a single "bad" vote he has made or any democratic priority legislation he has opposed. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Until he does actual damage to Democratic legislative priorities, comparing him to Manchin or Sinema is ridiculous.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
74. Only Bernie's effort to withhold weapons to Israel vote, but that lost 79 to 18
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:09 PM
Dec 2024

Any idea how he stands on the filibuster?

Wiz Imp

(9,993 posts)
82. I haven't found anything recent.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:58 PM
Dec 2024

However I found these:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/politics/john-fetterman-filibuster-senate-race/index.html
John Fetterman wants Democrats to stop wasting time and eliminate the filibuster

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/packed-rally-fetterman-vows-be-vote-scrap-filibuster-and-codify-roe
At Packed Rally, Fetterman Vows to 'Be That Vote to Scrap the Filibuster and Codify Roe'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/02/fetterman-taps-person-who-literally-wrote-book-killing-senate-filibuster-chief-staff
Fetterman Taps Person Who Literally Wrote the Book on Killing Senate Filibuster as Chief of Staff


I don't believe he has changed his mind.

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
77. Are they trying to gain influence with Trump by siding with him?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:29 PM
Dec 2024

This to soften GOP hard-liners?

I have no idea.

City Lights

(25,822 posts)
80. I completely disagree with Fetterman.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:41 PM
Dec 2024

The felon has gotten away with criming his entire adult life. It's long past time for him to be held accountable.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
81. Trump broke the law Fetterman
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 03:48 PM
Dec 2024

This is why the Democratic party is where it is right now. All they can come up with is appeasement of Dictator Trump and bringing a sling shot to the fight while the repugs divide and conquer and bring AK-47s to the fight. Appeasement of Dictator Hitler didn't work for Neville Chamberlin and it won't work now. This don't fight back by dems must stop!

Hassler

(4,921 posts)
83. Rule #1 of the Democratic Party: there
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 04:13 PM
Dec 2024

Will always be a Joe Mansion. Fetter man wants that role.

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