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Skittles
(171,709 posts)it is part of fascism
Skittles, in chaos they can steal. Just pay attention to those Project 2025 guys in the background. The felon has them in positions, Yea sure, the felon didn't know about Project 2025, what an effing liar.
Skittles
(171,709 posts)get the masses stirred up and commence with dismantling democracy
plays right into their hands
can't play into their hands, we know what the hell is going on.
FSogol
(47,623 posts)
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)You should know better. You say the Left has blood lust and you are comparing people here to MAGA? That is slanderous and shameful.
No one is cheering for a dead CEO. The issue is the cruelty of the healthcare system. Yes, there are people who are saying that they are not mourning his death. So what? That is not blood lust.
Volaris
(11,704 posts)Is hardly the same as wanting women to die in childbirth, deporting millions of American workers cause they speak Spanish, or murdering LGBTQ citizens. It's absolutely a false equivalency...
Thank you for saying this. You are exactly right 👏
MontanaFarmer
(761 posts)There have been plenty of posts both here and on kos that at minimum walk right up to the line of celebration of this man's death. It's very awful. Yes, we all despise united health care. But if we endorse vigilantism, which has absolutely happened here and elsewhere the last 36 hours, we defile and debase our movement and message. Imo.
orangecrush
(30,256 posts)EOM
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)Some of the posts have been insensitive at worst.
No one is celebrating the man's death, it's not "very awful," no one is "endorsing vigilantism" and it is not defiling and debasing "our" movement and message.
Kingofalldems
(40,277 posts)Looks like an attack on DU and it's members.
elleng
(141,926 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)but most people don't like having uncomfortable truth pointed out.
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)What's the "uncomfortable truth?" That we are just like MAGA?
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)I certainly never saw that. Perhaps you could share?
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)The Left has blood lust for the wealthy. The Right has blood lust for the "deep state."
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)The left has a blood lust for the wealthy and we have, even on this site, people who are cheering for murder.
The OP did not say we are "just like MAGA" but if that is your takeaway, perhaps you should reflect on why that is what you hear.
Volaris
(11,704 posts)MAYBE if he had been taxed into a little bit of CORPORATE humility, he wouldn't be PERSONALLY dead right now.
(ON EDIT)...if this is where we are NOW, omg can you imagine what social media would have been like if it existed during the French Revolution?
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)What are the people who are saying the shooter is a "hero" and "should be given a medal" doing. Not to mention those who are asking for more...
Volaris
(11,704 posts)I'll grant you, that just because I haven't SEEN IT HERE, doesn't mean it ISNT., IF anywhere seems to be advocating outright murder as the MEANS of 'eating the rich', I'll go ahead now and disagree with that sentiment, if for no other reason than this:
Kinda hard for the dead to learn a valuable lesson; better to keep them alive so their LIVING testimony can be a lesson to others.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)I have seen several posts calling the shooter a hero. The poster who thinks he should get a medal gave me explicit permission to link to their post-
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19791329
Amanita Pantherina
(57 posts)Folk heroes are often outlaws. More often than not.
The cat has charisma. He has mystery. A Hollywood smile.
Folk heroes have been made from less.
This isn’t me celebrating. Just stating the obvious.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)But I believe no one claiming to be liberal and progressive should support murder.
Welcome to DU 
Amanita Pantherina
(57 posts)I made no personal claims.
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)No one here is "supporting murder."
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)When it is said the murderer "should get a medal"?
I call it support.
Snark, of course.
Do you really think that poster is literally calling for a medal to be struck and awarded? Come on.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)And proudly stood by their statement in a separate thread.
Stargazer99
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LearnedHand
(5,498 posts)And I'm having a very hard time understanding why, when DUers tell you all that they are not celebrating vigilantism or even the death of this man you just collectively say "oh yes you are." We are all adults with our own complex reactions to life. You have the right to be horrified and nothing else about this man's death, but you don't have the right to demand that all DUers feel exactly the same as you.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)My response was to the claim NO ONE is celebrating. That claim is false
LearnedHand
(5,498 posts)I know you didn't say "everyone."
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)The Right with blood lust for the "deep state" = MAGA.
The Left has blood lust for the wealthy = implied equivalency to MAGA.
Except it’s not true 😏
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)
LizBeth
(11,222 posts)
Coventina
(29,731 posts)
C_U_L8R
(49,384 posts)Instead of beating up each other, we all should be confronting the profiteers.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)Just so long as you don't say Republicans are going after the "Deep State?"
Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)Relax.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,988 posts)That isn’t a left vs right thing. Only the bloodiest of bleeding hearts and biggest corporate bootlicking toadies are upset about the grave dancing. Everyone is in on that. Everyone has stories about healthcare “providers” fucking them over.
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)That is what this is all about, and not whether we are properly mourning a particular murder victim or not.
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
John Donne
meadowlander
(5,133 posts)The "deep state" shows up to work and tries to make peoples' lives better by provided defense, justice, education, infrastructure, health care policy, etc....
That's the context I believe your original post is missing.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)that term "deep state" are those on the right.
We are not the deep state. We are not tearing the country apart. Outside adversaries and traitors within the country are dividing us all.
Blue Full Moon
(3,484 posts)Response to PeaceWave (Original post)
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markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . what I have heard is people expressing the fact that they won't exactly mourn his death. That is not the same as cheering his murder. Millions die every day around the world, and we don't mourn most of them. That doesn't mean we condone their murder, either.
And as to why many on the left (including me) won't mourn this CEO's death, it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he was wealthy! Consider that this man has presided over a company that has deliberately engaged in a practice of denying (at least initially) the majority of claims it receives, with a great many of those claims being denied by algorithm, and not receiving a review by a medical professional unless and until the initial denial is challenged or appealed. The business model Thompson chose to run UnitedHealthcare on was based on boosting company profits by denying needed medical care to thousands.
I have no doubt that, on a person-to-person level, Thompson may have come across as a perfectly decent guy. Likely, he saw his business decisions as just that: just business, nothing personal. But the reality is those decisions messed with, and likely in some cases shortened, the lives of people who had no other real option but to deal with his company. And there is nothing that is in any way decent about that!
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)what is meant by those saying the shooter is a "folk hero" who "should be given a medal"? At face value that seems to be condoning the murderer's actions.
dpibel
(3,943 posts)Which do you think is the larger group:
1) People on "the Left" who, in your mind, condone murder, or
2) People on "the Right" who believe the Deep State needs to be cleaned up, perhaps with violence?
Given that, at this point, on this website, the number of people tut-tutting about horrible heartless people far exceeds the number of people you can point to as even arguably celebrating murder.
I think the distinction is not lost on you between refusing to mourn and condoning murder. That is why it is so hard to come up with examples that support your outrage over so very many people condoning murder.
If you have to rely on a single example to prove your broad-brush accusation, the paint on your brush may be very thin.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Who condone murder. Knowing people are human I know the ideal probably won't be achieved.
But when the number is well beyond a few, or a dozen, there is a problem. The reason I reference one example is due to the rules on call outs. That poster agreed to being an example.
dpibel
(3,943 posts)"Callouts" is a fine dodge.
But you know as well as I that the number of people you can actually credibly accuse of condoning murder on this website is vanishingly small.
But the fantods are fun for some.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)But I would guess over 20 to some degree have condoned this murder. About half a dozen have indicated they wouldn't mind more and I don't think the were speaking metaphorically.
dpibel
(3,943 posts)Just a notion of the volume of readership here.
If you think 20 "to some degree" represents some kind of significant constituency, I think we disagree on the definition of significant.
It's fun to scold people who don't meet our particular notions of decorum.
But smearing "the Left" based on (your number) 20 people is, I respectfully submit, a stretch.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Pretty obvious
Lovie777
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Conjuay
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CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)Strawman argument.
False equivalency.
Rubbish.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)Relax
Celerity
(54,407 posts)
carpetbagger
(5,484 posts)Trump, Musk, Fox, TV preachers, and a whole bunch of congressmen on one side.
Internet commenters on the other.
I have a trans kid, and I'll be damned if someone's going to tell me there's a bothsiderism here about constant threats against the intactness of his skull, or the deep state, or whatever.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)I want them to be less intent on killing everyone below their income level.
I'd like there to be a robust middle class, I'd like the poor to be able to live indoors and eat food, I would like for everyone to be able to access health care, I would like for people to be able to have jobs that pay them enough to eat and live indoors.
Sadly, we don't have that and our society is so focused on a few people who have almost all the money that we will never have that, because the rich don't like to share...they seem to believe that all the money should just be directly given to them, without going through anyone else's hands and they are so high on their own egos that they don't see that it is the masses (the vast majority of us) who create economic activity by exchanging currency for goods and services.
We are the job creators.
hatrack
(64,887 posts)If I want broad brushing, I'll hire a painter.
WTI.
Deep State Witch
(12,715 posts)Not just the "Deep State". Blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQ+ (especially trans) people, non-Christians, etc.
Initech
(108,783 posts)I think it was Matt Walsh who said that he wants trans ideology erased from this earth. He sounds like Hitler. 
usonian
(25,315 posts)Case closed.
proud patriot
(102,513 posts)and for them change their ways ..
I just don't have much sympathy for their evil ways costing them their lives .
There's a big difference there imo
alarimer
(17,146 posts)Not because we've shot them all but because we have taxed them down to mere millionaires.
This is the new Gilded Age. The last time, it was much worse before working people got some measure of justice in the form of unions.
Cry me a fucking river.
mike_c
(37,051 posts)...than the gentleman who caused him to stop killing for profit.
maxrandb
(17,427 posts)No! The "left" is not cheering the murder of the wealthy, and don't want "blood". I wouldn't mind if their taxes went up, and they controlled less of the narrative, but make no mistake, this acceptance and approval of violence is the product of 50 years of the Reich-wing noise machine, funded by billionaires, demonizing and dehumanizing EVERYONE that doesn't bend the knee to their fascist aims.
The difference in the parties couldn't be clearer. No Democratic politician could have survive 5% of what Donnie Dipshit has done, because the leadership of the Democratic Party would have run them off on a rail.
It's not the individual nut jobs saying and posting deplorable shit on the internet that is the problem.
It's people with real political power legislating deplorable shit that's the problem..
There are crazy nutbags on both the left and the right. But there is a glaring difference.
The Democratic Party does a pretty good job of keeping their nutbags locked in the attic.
The Retrumplican party makes their nutbags Presidents, Senators, Committee Chairs, Governors and Federal Judges.
I have tried....I really have. I have wracked my brain trying to identify an ACTION...ANY ACTION taken by a powerful Retrumplican politician during the last 50 years that was decent, thoughtful, compassionate, or advanced our march toward a more perfect union.
The only thing I could think of was John McCain refusing to destroy the Affordable Care Act. Even that act is a bit of a stretch as a magnanimous gesture, considering that I am "crediting" a man for not throwing 20 million Americans off of their health care insurance. Thanks a lot John!
But, other than that, I can think of nothing the Retrumplican Party has done to promote or advance the freedom, equality, welfare, safety, quality of life, or dignity of the American people. N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
So NO! Fuck that "both-sides" bullshit!
Amanita Pantherina
(57 posts)Oops. Edited. That was 53 years ago. My bad.
The false equivalence is, to use your accurate characterization, bullshit.
Jack Valentino
(5,011 posts)a whole lot of other "qualifiers"---
such as aquiring your wealth through exploitation of others---
or, as it seems in this recent case,
aquiring parts of it through actually destroying the lives of others through conscience action and choices.
The Right has blood lust for a lot of people who just want to live their own lives with fair chances of success, and some help if they need it---
and especially has blood lust for those in power who wish to help such people in need through policy.
There may be some 'blood lust' on both sides,
but there's a hell of a lot of difference in what is motivating it.
So whether you intended to or not,
you are "BOTHSIDING" the issue,
when the differences are night and day between them.
Just to oversimplify--- the politician who supports equal rights for LGBTQ people
did not vote to abolish Obamacare which resulted in the death of your wife.
Quixote1818
(31,155 posts)problem. It's long overdue and I hope this creates more and more focus on this issue that very often ruins peoples lives as others get rich. Murder comes in many forms.