Haven't seen an OP calling for gun control in response to this murder

[Kaleva]

Maybe the need for stringent gun control measures depends on the situation?

Just mentioning this as usually there are calls for greater gun control measures or even outright banning in response to a shooting. Especially if the shooter is a white male who some would declare to be an incel.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. some gun violence is more equal than others

[choie]

2. No it does not depend on the situation.

It reflects the fact that it seems most people are not sympathetic toward this particular victim. Buying into right wing talking points is not helpful.

[Kaleva]

5. Then why the difference?

Where are the attacks on armed white male incels?

[choie]

26. are you kidding?

It's called human psychology.

[stopdiggin]

42. and pretty much inconsistent on any sort of an rational or ethical measure ?

that kind of human psychology?
The OP points to fairly glaring, and relatively transparent, hypocrisy that (most of us) are participating in.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. I'm sue most people here are still for gun control.

Have you seen evidence that support for it has gone down? I still support it but I don’t care that the insurance jackass was killed. Both opinions can be held at the same time.

[Kaleva]

4. I'm just wondering why supporters are quiet in this instance?

[choie]

27. Your question has been answered.

[claudette]

11. Oh, lord

How can you be for "saving" lives with gun control, and the assassination of an innocent man who was shot in the back? It seems odd to hold those two opinions at the same time.

[sarisataka]

37. Orwell gave us a word for that

"Doublethink"

It has become a real phenomenon.

[Americanme]

41. innocent man

I think the difference may be that some people don't consider him to be an innocent man. $10 million a year to, at the very least, turn a blind eye to suffering and dying. At worst, cause suffering and dying. Doesn't sound so innocent to some people.

[stopdiggin]

43. and therefore 'man in the street' may perform an execution

without public approbation ... Okay - got it !!

[Prairie Gates]

6. If the 2A Fanatics won't even consider mild controls when a class full of kids is murdered

Why would they react to this one?

The 2A Fanatics have made it quite clear that gun control is impossible. What you're registering is the acknowledgment that there's nothing we can do against these fucking assholes, so we just have to live with the killscape they've created.

[Kaleva]

9. That hasn't stopped proponents of strict gun control from speaking out before

Here at DU. Why the silence now in this particular case?

[Prairie Gates]

12. I already told you why

It's not the answer you're fishing for (DUers are hypocrites) but that's really a You Problem.

[marble falls]

7. All gun violence is equal. Some is more equal than others. Situational ethics is no ethics at all. Democrats ...

... as a party supports the Constitution. Due process is one of all our rights. If someone is executed for anything at all, shouldn't they be given Due Process first. If this was a political act in violation of law, the perpetrator has an ethical obligation to explain the act and accept the consequences.

We won't even discuss the mostly anti-gun, anti-death penalty values the Democratic Party supports.

[Bettie]

8. I think that we've all realized that

gun control is never happening.

People love their guns more than they love their families....their children.

[claudette]

10. I know

it's more like people suddenly taking the Kyle Rittenhouse stance. Go after the perceived "enemy."

[fishwax]

13. most murders don't make DU, let alone result in OPs calling for gun control

Mass shootings always prompt calls for gun control, but this is nothing like that. Those horrifying stories where a man kills his family and then himself might prompt OPs calling for gun control. Stories about a string of shootings in a similar locale or a small time frame might prompt calls for gun control.

Gun deaths happen every single day in the US at a three-digit clip. I don't ever remember a single isolated murder prompting OPs calling for greater gun control, but it's possible it's happened and I've missed it. That seems like the obvious difference to me, though.

Based on the averages, there are probably around 200-250 people who have been killed by gunshots in the time since that CEO.

[RandomNumbers]

14. Different kind of shooter. This one was thoroughly planned,

and not in the way a disturbed kid "plans" a school shooting.

Proper gun safety measures would keep guns out of the hands of at least some school shooters.

I don't believe any gun control that is remotely possible in the U.S., would deter a shooter like the one who shot Brian Thompson.

In fact, calling for "gun control" in the wake of Thompson's shooting would be counter-productive, as this one exemplifies the case where reasonable gun control measures would not have done a thing to stop this crime. It would be a gift to the anti gun control faction.

Edit to add: I have seen some apparent callousness about this guy's death. Yeah he may have been a bad guy, but some of us still support the rule of law, as applied via the court system, not vigilante justice. But that has nothing to do with whether this incident presents any argument in favor of gun control.

[Kaleva]

23. We don't know how this shooter got his gun.

Until we do, we can't say for sure if reasonable gun control measures could have prevented this.

Many mass shooters don't have priors , or got their weapons from their parents, and thus "reasonable" measures wouldn't have prevented them from carrying out their crimes.

[RandomNumbers]

32. We can't say ANYTHING "for sure". Pretty much ever.

But we know enough about how well planned this crime was, to presume that this shooter was motivated and organized enough to find a way around any kind of reasonable gun control measures.

I am projecting that this innate understanding by many here, would be why "we need gun control" doesn't come immediately to mind in this case.

I don't think it has anything to do with the apparent callousness that I have noticed and also mentioned - and that is only among a few, and probably mostly due to inexact language rather than true callousness, anyway. It is instead because many of us would not see gun control as relevant here.

Reasonable folks can disagree. That's fine. I'm just supplying an explanation why this topic hasn't been prominently raised with regard to this event.

Also, as someone else on the thread noted, this shooter didn't use the equipment we are usually thinking about restricting - assault weapons and large magazines. (Because those are used in mass shootings. Which this wasn't.)

[usonian]

15. Look again, Pilgrim!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219791824




To everyone transfixed by the shooting of a millionaire:

Where are the headlines and flame wars when kids, spouses, people guilty only of being Black are killed every day?.

NOBODY CARES

CDC: (free to repost)
and emphasis is mine.

https://www.cdc.gov/firearm-violence/data-research/facts-stats/index.html

More at the OP!!!

Spoiler:

In 2022, there were more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths in the United States according to mortality data. That's about 132 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day.

Snip ...

Firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages 1-19.

Let me emphasize that:
Firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages 1-19

[dawg]

16. This wasn't a mass shooting and it did not involve the sort of weapon that most people here are ...

willing to restrict.

No assault rifle. No high capacity magazines.

Perhaps we could discuss putting limits on the sale of suppressors?

[Kaleva]

24. Suppressors are regulated

[dawg]

25. There you go.

He got one anyway.

[Kaleva]

31. You can make your own

Instructions are on the internet

[Aristus]

19. Apples to oranges.

One guy got stabbed to death.

Gun control laws are about making sure thirty people aren’t shot to death.

[Kaleva]

28. Most victims are killed by handguns

[Aristus]

30. Handguns, assault rifles, they're all guns, and need to be tightly controlled.

n/t

[Aristus]

18. I think we all know by now that comprehensive gun control is never going to happen.

Innocent people are going to continue being killed. I think we’re all just acknowledging that there’s a certain poetic justice in a wielder of the kind of cruel, ruthless corporate power that prevents gun control laws, insurance reform, and other necessary but unattainable goals falling victim to his own fecklessness.

[Aristus]

22. Sure, it matters.

If a guy earns a fortune by building a widget that improves the general quality of life, I don’t care how much money he has.

If a guy earns a fortune by overseeing the deaths of innocent people, I’m not going to mourn him when karma knocks on his door.

If you’re going to try to put words in my mouth, make sure they’re words I would actually speak.

Rookie mistake…

[ck4829]

21. "Now is not the time to discuss gun control"

[Kaleva]

29. Too soon

[BeyondGeography]

33. He used a modern version of a vintage spy gun

I thought it was a nice touch, if those reports are true.

I’m still for turning back the clock on assault weapons.

[Voltaire2]

34. I sent tots and pears to the family.

[Ping Tung]

36. The "right to bear arms" is one of the most sacred of sacred cows in America.

Guns are needed to protect them from the hordes of bogeymen under their beds or around the corner and the danger of being invaded by countries like Bhutan.

"Home of th brave" is false advertising.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. It's too soon

For a political discussion.

[Kingofalldems]

39. Looks like an attack on DU from here.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. Have your feelings been hurt?

?si=GIsPhhrLO_j7KIYq

[Amanita Pantherina]

44. Be the change you want to see.

Instead of asking why others aren’t doing what you want to them to do, go ahead and do what you want them to do yourself.

Starting a thread calling for gun control, rather than starting a thread calling for other people to start a thread calling for gun control seems like a more efficient path.

Unless you just want to call us hypocrites. Again. For the fifth? Sixth time?

[sarisataka]

45. A man appointed himself judge jury and executioner

But have you seen that smile

[Paladin]

47. I'm sure there are several screenplays in the works, already. (nt)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. any legitimate trend of executives getting killed would lead to the fastest gun control legislation we've seen in decade

Link to tweet

[hunter]

48. Even if this insurance guy was carrying a gun for "self defense" he's still dead.

Nothing here contradicts my frequent assertion that once the guns come out everything is FUBAR, or that it's not wise to let anyone you'd care to shoot live in your head.

Guns do have some practical uses but that's not the reason most people own them.

Gun fetishes are disgusting.

[ecstatic]

49. I think people are just tired and out of fucks since election day but I'd have to see reactions to other post-election

incidents.

First, the context of those situations is usually a mass shooting from a mentally disturbed person who had previous run-ins with cops and should not have had access to weapons. When it comes to targeted assassinations, it's a little harder to prevent those situations.

But it's possible that post-election, after what we've seen with the justice system and ignorant voters, our response to things is changing. If the American people want the wild west and fascism under trump, so be it. FAFO.

[Lulu KC]

50. What are the indications that this is an incel?

Did I miss something?

[Oneear]

51. Advance further gun safety measures that will help keep our children and communities safe

We had a football game a few weeks ago. A worker came in to work the Game and left his stuff in a Corner. In it was a Gun. They were Scanning all the people. The Police found the Gun and took him away. Keep Us safe.

[Think. Again.]

52. I'll do it!

WE DESPERATELY NEED REASONABLE AND WELL-INFORCED GUN CONTROL!!!

(also, I really don't care about the health profiteer who got killed.)

[Jacson6]

53. Acthusally, it was a weapon used to kill live stock. n/t

[J_William_Ryan]

54. "Haven't seen an OP calling for gun control in response to this murder"

What would be the point.

There’s no political will in Congress to do anything – particularly with a Republican-controlled Congress and WH.

And even if legislation were passed, a Supreme Court dominated by conservative ideologues would strike-down any gun control measure.