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WilliamPlanke

(72 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:19 PM Dec 2024

Are pensions on the chopping block?

I’d like to hear the DOGE rationale for also cutting pensions along with Social Security.

Share the pain and share alike… right?

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Response to WilliamPlanke (Original post)

bronxiteforever

(11,040 posts)
5. Yes the GOP hates teachers.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:36 PM
Dec 2024

I was at a meeting in the 2010s with a friend who worked for the Democrats in a state legislature. At our meeting my friend told me that the GOP had gained ground to control all 3 branches in his state. A GOP counterpart in that state said to him that their first order of business was “to fu@k the teachers”.

Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #5)

Fiendish Thingy

(21,818 posts)
8. They can't touch teacher pensions
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:07 PM
Dec 2024

Teacher pensions, such as STIRS, are state funded.

Same with cops. Firefighters, trade unions, etc.

They could try to mess with military pensions, but then they’d just be asking for a coup.

Irish_Dem

(78,907 posts)
3. Yes. Not only are GOP politicians and billionaires immune from any cuts,
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:30 PM
Dec 2024

they will be vastly enriched by the cuts they enact on everyone else.

getagrip_already

(17,798 posts)
6. Probably not all at once, but they will weoponize withholdings....
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:39 PM
Dec 2024

They will add penalty clauses that allow them to deny payouts in cases where a pensioner has violated some clause or provision on moral or ethical grounds, determined by some appointed commission.

And that will allow them to cut payments to anyone they deem a subversive, agitator, or malcontent, as determined by them.

Kind of like denying housing to anyone convicted of a crime, then intentionally arresting people on false charges with planted evidence.

Be a part of their club or be bludgeoned by it.


Fiendish Thingy

(21,818 posts)
7. What pensions?
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:04 PM
Dec 2024

The only pensions under federal jurisdiction would be those of federal employees/retirees.

Union pensions, state employee pensions, etc. can’t be touched by the Trump administration.

LudwigPastorius

(13,995 posts)
10. They will, no doubt, repeal the law passed by the Democrats and Biden that saved my pension fund from going under.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:19 PM
Dec 2024
https://pensionrights.org/more-than-one-million-pensions-protected-by-butch-lewis-act/

After they destroy that, and Social Security, I'll be living under an underpass eating dollar store dog food in my golden years.

Midnight Writer

(25,110 posts)
12. He was looking at Federal Civil Service pensions in his first term.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 03:42 PM
Dec 2024

That pension program is fully funded into perpetuity, even though few workers pay into it any more.

The Civil Service pension program is being phased out, replaced by the Federal Employee Retirement System.

The Civil Service pension program has always run a surplus. First, the employees enrolled in it paid in a little higher contribution during their working years, and in return were offered a modestly higher pension in retirement. Secondly, Congress was not able to "borrow" against Civil Service pensions. The money was kept separated in a "lockbox" (remember Al Gore proposing to do this with Social Security?) and invested in Treasuries, where the return on investment was paid back into the program. Third, many employees paying into the program were overcharged through an accounting error. So, even though very few workers pay into it (it started to be phased out during the Reagan Administration), the trust fund is healthy and can pay off all projected costs and should end up returning money to the Treasury when the last survivors pass.

This pension plan was considered to be very safe from interference because it is the same plan Congressmen, Senators and other politicians and staff used. It was intended to be a substitute for Social Security for Federal employees. Now, since so few people still collect it, there is not a large constituency to support it.

A Federal program that works as intended, is more than fully funded, and has a shrinking user base? That makes it ripe for the plucking by anti-government MAGA crooks.

By the way, if Social Security was managed as well as the Civil Service Retirement System, it would be in great shape as well

rso

(2,633 posts)
13. Pensions
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:55 PM
Dec 2024

Actually, while the number of active federal employees still under CSRS is very small, the number of federal retirees under CSRS is still huge, just slightly over 50 % of federal retirees or about 1.3 million people.

Attilatheblond

(8,087 posts)
14. Fully expect to lose my $236 /month widow of federal worker pension
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:05 PM
Dec 2024

Also my meager Social Security pension. That will make me destitute and dangerous.

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