Clyburn wants Biden to Pardon Trump to "clean the slate."

[Baitball Blogger]

Clyburn is another one who is so last century. We are fighting a different kind of war against the Republicans than the one he was raised in.

As long as there are leaders like Clyburn who are giving advice that metaphorically makes us look like wives who enjoy being beaten by their husbands, we're never going to get the upper hand.

Not sure I have enough words for how angry this makes me

— Seth Abramson (@sethabramson.bsky.social) 2024-12-09T05:35:52.733Z

[Lovie777]

1. He'll no....

[Passages]

2. Retirement is a very good idea.

Then you can take your very bad ideas and write a book about them.

Some people will buy it..just not me.

[malaise]

3. Nono no

Fuck that shit

[Silent Type]

4. Watch out Clyburn, Democrats will eat you in a second despite your decades of stellar service and

likely leading way for Biden to win in 2020.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. One step forward, and two steps back is never good advice to follow.

And, did Clyburn stand by Biden to run for his second term? I forget.

[Silent Type]

6. Yes, until the shocking debate. Then, Clyburn did what was best for party at time.

[Nixie]

9. So it's okay after all to do things best for the party?

[MadLinguist]

34. How is pardoning Drumph good for the party?

The solidity of the party depends on obeisance to a seditious mendacious thief of national security documents? We must be talking about different parties

[Autumn]

48. Pardoning Trump does what for our party? Not a fucking thing. Time for these people

who don't believe trump means what he says to step down. I'll tell you the same thing I told my Governor. Any elected official who thinks Trump should be pardoned is not fit to be in office.

[Bettie]

7. So, you believe that

the orange man should be pardoned?

[Silent Type]

11. At this point it makes no difference. The cases against trump are over. Clyburn shouldn't be bashed

for suggesting this.

But we’ll eat him and others anyway and GOPers will smile.

I would definitely not support a blanket pardon for other crimes he committed or might commit in future.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Aha! That's your misunderstanding.

They're not over. That's not what it means when you dismiss a case without prejudice.

This will be hanging over Trump for the next four years. It can be reopened when the time is right.

[Silent Type]

18. I'm not spending the next 4 years obsessing over cases that are effectively over. They won't be reopened,

if for no other reason than trump will pardon himself.

But dream on.

[Autumn]

49. He can pardon trump when he pardons Snowden, Kingsbury, Teixeira, and a couple more

Donald Trump stored, showed off and refused to return classified documents. That fucker should be buried under a prison. Fuck a pardon for him.

[Crunchy Frog]

75. If they're effectively over then what's the point of a pardon? Is it just a gesture of submission?

[Think. Again.]

16. Of course it makes a difference...

A pardon would mean we accept the bad things trump as done being okay for him to do.

They are not.

[Silent Type]

19. And what good do you think that will do us other that singing to the choir.

[Think. Again.]

21. What good would a pardon do?

Letting people off the hook for doing bad things doesn't make those things undone.

[Silent Type]

22. Ask Clyburn, he cares about country, not just retribution. Since there is virtually

no chance of trump’s imprisonment, removal from office, etc., what’s the use.

[Think. Again.]

23. What's the use of a pardon?

[Silent Type]

24. Read Clyburn's comments.

[Think. Again.]

29. I'm challenging your defense of a pardon...

...I'd like to hear your side of the issue.

[bluestarone]

42. Exactly! there is

NO defense of a pardon!! That's total BULLSHIT!! NO pardon EVER!

[bluesbassman]

43. Do you also think Ford was correct in his preemptive pardon for Nixon "for the good of the Country"?

Describe how well that worked out for us.

[JohnSJ]

26. Exactly. What do we stand for? and for those who try to rationalize this with the Hunter Biden pardon is even more

inane. Trump incited a riot to try and overthrow an election. There is a huge difference.

If the Democrats are trying to completely self-destruct with their predictable circular firing squads, they are doing a pretty good job of it.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

38. Yes

Yes, he should be bashed. He's dead wrong and I'm not a sycophant. No politician is infallible. No human being should blindly follow and/or defend a politician when he/she is in the wrong. Anyone endorsing to pardon Trump is not only wrong, they are a criminal enabler, anti-American, and a threat to our survival. Fuck all of them.

[Docreed2003]

20. Disagreeing with an elder statesman's perspective

does not equal "eating" him or turning on him. Pardoning Trump is a dumb idea and does nothing but reinforce his bad behavior. Additionally, it does nothing to unify the country. You might as well suggest giving pardons to the Jan 6th rioters while you're at it because it makes as much sense.

[ecstatic]

65. I respect Clyburn's service but he is dead wrong on this

His idea is offensive and disrespectful IMO. If he stops saying this, I will let it go and forgive and forget.

[allegorical oracle]

8. Always highly respected Clyburn, and appreciate his effort as a peacemaker. However,

Dems have standards that I feel should be maintained. Capitulating to an immoral and vengeful opposition means we are turning a blind eye to the very trashing of our Constitution and the rule of law.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Trump is a ruthless psychopath and a pardon will only embolden him.

It will make Trump much more dangerous.

[Jit423]

27. Actually i think it might de-fang Trump and his MAGAs. I he is never going to be held accountable so a pardon will

enshrine his guilt and psychopathy in the annals of history. A pardon means he is guilty. Now, Trump can refuse the pardon and wait to be declared innocent by a lacky SCOTUS and a mob of MAGAs sitting on a jury but Biden should go ahead and pardon him anyway. BUT NOT BEFORE HE ISSUES A BLANKET PARDON TO ALL HIS STAFF AND THE CONGRESS PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED THIS ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THOSE WHO WERE WITNESSES FOR THE J6 SELECT COMMITTEE HEARINGS UNDER THOMPSON/CHENEY. Biden could include Trump as just another entity in the blanket pardon giving Trump no place above the others included in the pardon.

[Irish_Dem]

32. No. Your view is not consistent with how psychopaths think, feel and behave.

Trump is a dangerous, ruthless psychopath as are many of his fellow mob members.

A pardon is very dangerous as it will embolden them and make them much worse
and more violent.

You also are not taking into account the MAGA psychology either.

The MAGAs love Trump's crimes and do not think he should be held guilty for them.

The rest of already know Trump is a criminal.

A pardon only makes Trump and the MAGAs worse.
And in effect will end US rule of law forever.

PS. Writing an argument in ALL CAPS is a sign of a weak argument.
Makes people much less likely to take your comments seriously.

[travelingthrulife]

53. Remember when he exonerated himself after Barr helped him out with

Russia, Russia, Russia investigation?

How quickly we forget.

[Irish_Dem]

67. 100% certain that a pardon will not defang a ruthless psychopath.

Do you homework on psychopaths and abnormal psychology.

[NYC Liberal]

82. "A pardon means he is guilty" What? No, a pardon doesn't mean you're guilty.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Thank you sir, may I have another?

FFS

[Think. Again.]

13. Why would we want to clean the slate?

There's important stuff on the slate.

[RandiFan1290]

14. Great question! nt

[Cosmocat]

17. Sure, this act of good faith would be

returned in kind ...

[Think. Again.]

30. .

[Emile]

31. +3 LOL 😆

[Blue_Tires]

25. I give up 😔

[ms liberty]

28. Hell to the fuck no.

[Ray Bruns]

33. Fuck you Clyburn. And fuck any democrat who thinks likewise.

It’s like nobody learned a thing from Nixon’s pardon.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

41. +10,000

[Gore1FL]

35. No. No pardon is necessary. nt

[Owl]

36. Hell no! Ridiculous!

[Hotler]

37. Supporting Democrats and not bashing Democrats is kind of hard with politicians acting like this.

But I will try.

[Mr.WeRP]

39. So... the Democratic Party ends in a whimper

This is so disgraceful and sad

[Clouds Passing]

40. Absolute NO!

Stop your insanity Dems!

[Emile]

44. Clyburn is 84 years old. Wonder if he is thinking

about retirement anytime soon.

[BeyondGeography]

79. His daughter is teed up to succeed him

Guess she is the best available Clyburn.

Jim is all about excellence in governing.

[spanone]

45. That slate should remain for all to see for all times

[XanaDUer2]

46. OMG!

Am i hallucinating

[Tommy Carcetti]

47. Nope. Absolutely, 1000% nope.

I respect Rep. Clyburn, but this is anything but the right advice to take here.

[jalan48]

50. How Rep. James Clyburn Protected His District at a Cost to Black Democrats -Pro Publica

The meeting was arranged in secret. On Nov. 19, 2021, the chief of staff for South Carolina’s Senate Judiciary Committee texted Dalton Tresvant, a key aide to Rep. Jim Clyburn, the state’s most powerful Democrat.

“Hey Dalton - Andy Fiffick here,” he said. “We wrapped up some morning things quicker than we thought, so if you want/can come earlier than 1:30 we’re available.”

"Facing the possibility of an unsafe district, South Carolina’s most powerful Democrat sent his aide to consult with the GOP on a redistricting plan that diluted Black voting strength and harmed his party’s chances of gaining seats in Congress".

The resulting map, finalized in January 2022, made Clyburn’s lock on power stronger than it might have been otherwise. A House of Representatives seat that Democrats held as recently as 2018 would become even more solid for the incumbent Republican. This came at a cost: Democrats now have virtually no shot of winning any congressional seat in South Carolina other than Clyburn’s, state political leaders on both sides of the aisle say.

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-rep-james-clyburn-protected-his-district-at-a-cost-to-black-democrats

[vapor2]

51. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

[Kid Berwyn]

52. Arrest, trial and conviction would clean slate better.

Very clean.

[Turbineguy]

54. Trump has seen the error of his ways?

Trump is going straight?

Just like Michael Corleone?

[crimycarny]

55. Even George W. Bush had the balls not to pardon Scooter Libby

Looking back, Scooter Libby looks like a choir boy compared to Trump and some of the criminals Trump pardoned when he was President. Cheney was p*sed that Bush refused to pardon Scooter Libby but Bush felt he didn’t deserve it. Yes. Bush later commuted his sentence but that doesn’t restore rights that a full pardon does. Guess who stepped in and pardoned Scooter Libby? Trump.

I’m so sick and tired of Dems not standing for anything and falling all over themselves to seem the good guys. No pardon of Trump is going to “heal” anything, we aren’t living in the same world now that we were several years ago.

All pardoning Trump will do is: further weaken and disillusion the Dem base (we can’t stand for justice), be used against Dems as it gives more fodder to the whole “witch hunt” crap, further embolden Trump and his criminals.

Clyburn has been right on many things, but on this one he is WRONG. I hope Biden stands strong.

[northoftheborder]

56. NO - a thousand times no

[a kennedy]

57. and kinda pissed off at my Senator Klobuchar too...

Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) revealed that she does not want President Joe Biden to issue pre-emptive pardon before Donald Trump enters the White House — and didn’t like his pardon of Hunter Biden, either. Over the last week, reports have circulated that the president is considering pardoning critics of Trump, including Senator-elect Adam Schiff (D-CA) and retired NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

During a Sunday morning interview with former Joe Biden press secretary and current MSNBC anchor Jen Psaki, Klobuchar revealed she does not think Biden should issue those pardons, and that Schiff doesn’t either. She also said she was not happy about the president pardoning his son.

I am not a fan of these. I didn’t like the pardon of the president’s son. I didn’t think that that was prudent. But I also am very concerned about this idea of the preemptive pardons. I am, of everyone, very concerned about what Trump is going to do with this Justice Department.

I actually spoke to Adam Schiff this weekend about this in anticipation that you might ask…he has publicly said that he does not want a preemptive pardon, that he believes that this is a nation of laws and that there are judges that make decisions all the time, including during the last Trump administration, including Republican appointees from many different administrations, who did the right thing in many cases under the law.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219803415

[City Lights]

58. Clyburn is trying to "clean the slate" while trump plans

on jailing members of the J6 committee. Wake up, Rep. Clyburn!

[The Unmitigated Gall]

59. Feckless appeasement. nt

[the_liberal_grandpa]

60. That will be the day that

I stop supporting Democrats.

Joe has done enough by not pushing Garland to prosecute him sooner.

The damage to the "rule of law" by not prosecuting him timely is bad enough. A pardon is a bridge too far.

[awesomerwb1]

62. Hell no

and why talk about this when there is so much more to do and talk about before TFG takes over for the next decade?

So incredibly disappointing. Incredibly disappointing.

[ecstatic]

63. I'm confident that someone will explain to him

how much of a slap in the face that would be. The first time he said this I gave him the benefit of the doubt---thinking maybe he misspoke.

trump has already been defacto pardoned by doj/garland/corrupt six supremes. Why dig the knife in deeper and betray the base like that? Right now, we are mentally preparing ourselves for another disastrous 4 years with trump, and we're making progress, slowly but surely. It's absolutely disgusting that trump got away with his first attempt to overthrow our country. With all due respect Clyburn, I'm going to have to ask you to stfu about this. It's not cool. It's not ok.

[GaYellowDawg]

64. That is SO STUPID.

Stupid.
Incredibly stupid.
Incredibly fucking stupid.
Incredibly, disastrously, fucking stupid.
Incredibly, disastrously, apocalyptically, fucking stupid.

No matter how many words I add, I'm not going to be able to adequately describe how goddamn stupid this is.

[Montauk6]

71. Sorry, GaYellowDawg, I'm gonna have to disagree on this one...

It's INCREDIBLY, DISASTROUSLY, APOCALYPTICALLY, UNCONSCIONABLY, OUTRAGEOUSLY, EGREGIOUSLY, SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICLY FUCKING STUPID.

[GaYellowDawg]

84. LOL, well played!

I tip my cap right back at you!

[republianmushroom]

66. Screw you, Clyburn, sucking up to the orange turd, Damn.

46 months and counting

[GoreWon2000]

68. Clyburn is out of his don't fight back, appeasement mind!

[Montauk6]

69. THIS WON'T "CLEAN THE SLATE" ANY MORE THAN TRUMP WOULD "DRAIN THE SWAMP"!!!!!

This whole "Biden should pardon Trump" trope is getting WAYYYY too much traction, IMHO. If ANYONE should go down in the history books for pardoning this maniac, it should be the maniac himself. Let that miscarriage be part of his legacy not Biden's.

WTF, CONGRESSMAN JAMES??!!!

[orleans]

70. PUKE!

maybe he could suggest another fucked up idea that will make me want to throw up again

[bigtree]

72. it's not just Jan. 6

...he was already impeached for trying to get dirt on Biden in Ukraine, then the insurrection and fake elector scheme.

Not to mention the hush money election fraud conviction.

The only result from pardoning Trump would be to provide the means for him to falsely claim his innocence and have the public believe him.

Stupidity.

[Crowman2009]

73. Apparently Rep. Clyburn never heard of The O'Jays song "Backstabbers" before.

Because that's what MAGA will do to him after he gives them an inch.

[Crunchy Frog]

74. We need to stop taking doilies to gunfights.

[PJMcK]

76. So President Biden should demolish his legacy?

The President would go down in History as worse than Neville Chamberlin.

Why would he want to unite with a man who continually insulted him and derided his accomplishments?

Clyburn has lost his mind.

[bdamomma]

77. Not a good idea

at all. Pardon that felon????? NO. We are dealing with swamp creatures here, no turning the other cheek.

E mail President Biden and write NO PARDON. I did.

[dem4decades]

78. And the Democrats should throw a welcome home party for the Jan 6th "patriots" when Trump releases them too.

Let's just clean the slate.

Any one else have a stupid idea?

[Botany]

80. 1 word

No.

[kansasobama]

81. Old traditional Democrats need to go away

Chamberlain 2.0

That never works, Clyburn.

[Greybnk48]

83. No! The Nixon pardon ruined the Democratic Party. We looked weak.

It's been thrown in our faces for decades.

Edited to add: Clyburn is an intelligent and decent man. A pardon is for men like him who had a lapse of judgement of some sort and have reformed.
T-47 is a fucking vicious, deranged psychopath, surrounded by like minded people. It would be like opening the doors to a criminally insane facility (think Arkham) and saying: "Go in Peace."

[Oopsie Daisy]

85. Fuck that shit.