Wanted posters of top healthcare execs appear in NYC

[Demovictory9]

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/executive-hit-lists-wanted-posters-nypd-warns-threats/story?id=116662519

Executive 'hit lists' and wanted posters: NYPD warns about threats to executives
"Wanted" signs featuring corporate executives have been posted in Manhattan.






A New York Police Department bulletin issued Tuesday emphasized the heightened risk environment for health care executives following last week's brazen killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Viral posts online have listed the names and salaries of several health insurance executives, multiple "Wanted" signs featuring corporate executives have been posted throughout Manhattan and users on social media continue to celebrate Thompson's death, according to the bulletin.

The warning signs come as a sea of social media posts indicate that shooting suspect Luigi Mangione might be viewed as a "martyr" who could inspire extremists to action.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

1. This is not okay.

It will further violence and vigilantism.

[JohnSJ]

6. No it isn't, and some of the comments here rationalizing the targeted killing of the UHC CEO are not ok either.

Something very sick and twisted is going on by some,

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. Some of the comments on this thread are quite disturbing.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219810142

[JohnSJ]

20. Disturbing is right.

[al bupp]

54. Why is denying medical coverage which results in death any less of a murder than shooting someone?

[Bluetus]

101. I'd say that murder by HC denial is more like a mob hit

because it is done for profit. However, unlike the Mafia, the HC people kill by the thousands.

None of that justifies shooting in cold blood. But when society sanctions, protects, and rewards the mass killers, nobody should be surprised when victims take violent action.

[Scrivener7]

73. Autumn's point in that thread is salient, though. We tolerate

our school children living every day under the threat of gun attacks.

I wouldn't put such signs up. But we live in a world where people do such things, and these people can change the reason it's happening to them.

(And I really hope no one trots out the straw man of "you're justifying murder!!1! Because y'all know better and it's beneath you.)

[mcar]

92. I have been here since early 2002

I've been through nasty primary battles, mass shootings, etc. More recently, the response to the Oct 6 Hamas attack.

I have never seen anything more disturbing on this site than the gleeful responses to the cold-blooded murder of a man.

[NJCher]

110. If you could bring him back

would you?

Honest question.

[EX500rider]

113. Sure, he was married with 2 children & anybody who replaces him will have to answer to stockholders just like he did

[mcar]

114. Yes

Do you think his murder is going to change anything re our severely damaged healthcare system?

[ReRe]

39. I think..

it's the affect that DJT has had on our whole society, period, since 2016.

[Ray Bruns]

51. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"

John F Kennedy

[Stargazer99]

57. Like businesses deny care and the individual dies-that's ok stinking morality in my opionon

[al bupp]

64. The ghost of John Brown begs to disagree

Our society justifies violence all the time when it's committed by the "authorities". Solders, police and prison guard practice it regularly, mostly w/o consequence, not to mention all the inherent violence in Capitalism, which values owners and shareholders more than then the general common good.

[ThePartyThatListens]

36. I agree

What the health insurance industry in America has been allowed to get away with for decades is not okay.

[Mr.WeRP]

44. What choice do people have when billionaires present an existential threat to their lives?

What you should be disturbed by is the 50k people a year who die because they can’t get medical care because of CEO’s like the one shot dead in the street.

No one wants to live in a world like that, but if its live by killing vs die for billionaire profits, many will choose the former.

[orangecrush]

55. Play stupid games

Win stupid prizes.

[COL Mustard]

85. Couldn't agree with you more, MCE

Thank you for being a rational voice where others are not!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

121. Thank you COL Mustard.

I'm getting slammed for my opinion here and it's nice to see yours and several others here are in agreement with me.
Peace out
Daniel.

[peregrinus]

112. Free speech

[sarisataka]

3. This is becoming

an exponentially larger shit show more interesting everyday.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. That's a troubling development and symptom of societal breakdown. n/t

[Stargazer99]

59. Caused by selfishness and greed

[Bluetus]

108. I wouldn't call it a "development"

That sounds like it is a new direction. This is more like another small stepping stone to the gates of hell. Remember, we just elected a person who did exactly this to threaten witnesses and the Judge's family in his own criminal trials.

This is not a new direction. And anybody who is riled up about these posters should show at least the same amount of disdain for the politicians who have been doxing enemies and calling for armed violence, as well as the HC companies that are killing tens of thousands of people annually.

Something else I would point out is that the customers of the HC insurance companies have no control over anything. The companies hold all the power and many of these customers are not even aware that important therapies or treatments are being withheld. Yet they paid their premiums in good faith. In contrast, the HC executives know EXACTLY what they are doing. They are choosing to kill people because they are just items on a spreadsheet standing between the executives and their next mansion or yacht.

[hatrack]

120. True, at least it won't be boring . . . .

.

[GusBob]

5. Slippery slope

Our clinic has gone on lockdown twice in the past 4 months due to threats of violence against providers or staff

not from "Ivy league Rogan bro" types tho

[mcar]

95. Apparently, according to some, that's OK

if someone doesn't like what you're doing.

[Hotler]

7. I remember targets at the gun range of Obama. The assholes were all yuking it up. nt

[Coventina]

9. Don't forget the Trayvon Martin targets.

But people who have actually killed dozens, if not hundreds of people?

The pearl-clutchers get the vapors.....

[MarineCombatEngineer]

11. So putting up wanted posters encouraging violence against these people is ok with you?

[Coventina]

22. I'm indifferent to it. I wouldn't do it myself, but I can't muster any outrage about it.

I had a co-worker murdered by Cigna.

I know how guilty these scumbags are.

[barbtries]

50. that's where I'm at

"I wouldn't do it myself, but I can't muster any outrage about it."

yeah, my outrage is aaaalllll taken up by TCFSF, his merry band of billionaires, and republicans.

[malaise]

17. Not shedding a tear

For these heartless greedy show offs.
Stop killing people for profit.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. Got it,

you're ok with murder.

[Scrivener7]

78. Again I ask: why does someone always

trot out the strawman of "got it, you're OK with murder" in this conversation?

You know as well as I do that's not what she's saying. So you can either have an intelligent conversation and address what she ACTUALLY said, or trot out that moronic strawman which is, frankly, beneath you.

So far, you're not doing so well.

[mcar]

97. Wonder if this killer is considered a "freedom fighter?"

[Polly Hennessey]

25. Same here. Not shedding a tear. I am strangely indifferent to their fates.

[malaise]

31. Bingo - completely indifferent

[gay texan]

71. If history has taught us anything

You simply can't push people around. You can't make a profit off of suffering.

When the legal system doesnt protect you, when your elected officials wont help you, pretty soon the cows are gonna come home.

Pain and suffering will motivate people to do some bad things. Grief doubly so.

[Upthevibe]

45. Hotler........

Did you actually see targets of Obama at a gun range?

[Farmer-Rick]

60. They put up wanted posters of JFK

In Texas highschools before he they assassinated him.

But the wanted posters of JFK looked much more authentic and realistic than the ones here.

[gay texan]

80. Yes i did

I also saw the GOP types wearing t-shirts of Bill Clinton's head as if you were looking through a rifle scope.

Dallas Market Hall circa 1994

[Evolve Dammit]

107. lot of Dems with crosshairs superimposed over their photos; Hillary, Pelosi. Magats enjoy that shit.

[sarisataka]

86. Not Hotler here...

but I do remember them.

Always preferred the zombie targets myself.

[Sundance1220]

10. I wouldn't be so sure

it was someone from the left who left these. I wouldn't put anything past the filthy magats looking for drum up support for billionaires who crap all over the working class every chance they get.

[Trenzalore]

12. Free speech

There is no explicit threat of violence. If you have a problem, your problem is with the first amendment

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. It is free speech but it also encourages violence and vigilantism, which is NOT FUCKING OK.

[JohnSJ]

23. I am not sure if that is an expression of free speech. The anti-abortionists did similar things with doctors who

provided abortions, Dr. George Tiller for example, who was assassinated by unhinged people who justified that killing.

There is very little difference.

[ReRe]

40. And they killed him church!

[sop]

62. FOX News and Bill O'Reilly were responsible for Dr. Tiller's murder.

[mcar]

98. But according to some here, that's OK

because the killer didn't like what Dr. Tiller was doing.

[geardaddy]

79. There is no explicit call for violence

on these posters as far as I can tell. It says Wanted, which emulates what police/FBI posters say. There is no bullseye or target on them.

Wanted to me just says they want them brought to justice. Not killed.

[JohnSJ]

84. Rationalize it anyway you want, but the implication is clear.

[geardaddy]

96. When you see a wanted poster posted by the FBI

does that make you want to kill someone? Yeah, me neither.

[Ocelot II]

27. Exactly. Just because something is constitutionally protected

doesn't mean it's a good thing. And the First Amendment only prevents the government from restricting speech, so if I think someone else's exercise of their right to free speech is creating a danger, I am also free to say so.

[Trenzalore]

37. I'll remember that the next time the FBI puts up a wanted poster

Is the FBI encouraging vigilantes?

[sarisataka]

41. You are comparing apple to camels

I have never seen an FBI poster suggesting people take action on their own initiative

[Trenzalore]

68. Please copy and paste the call to violence from the picture

Betcha can't

[sarisataka]

70. "HEALTH CARE CEOS SHOULD NOT FEEL SAFE"

what fear should they be having? That someone on the street will give them a wedgie? Or is the fear of something more permanent?

[Hellbound Hellhound]

74. If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have any fear at all.

It's telling that they're panicking. Ordering their employees to speak out against the shooting on public media. Telling them to lionize the CEO and demonize the killer. Makes you wonder what other skeletons are in their closets if they have to order their people to protect them.

[sarisataka]

77. When the executioner is also judge and jury

the question of guilt can become muddled.

The standard is a "jury of our peers". We may disagree with the verdict of such a jury- see NYC- but it is better than one person making the decision on their own.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

88. That standard only holds so long as the social contract does.

As we can see, that contract is starting to fray. After all, if being immoral is legal, what recourse is there other than to break the contract?

[sarisataka]

94. I do agree with that

I fear that we, who have been fighting to keep the contract, are beginning to say "let it break". While "they" will see the consequences of their actions, we are still at the bottom of the proverbial hill.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

99. This is just a continuation of the populist wave around the world, I think.

I called it way back in... 2004? Mentioning that it was only going to get worse if people in power didn't start paying attention. And every year, every election, it's been getting worse and worse. Then 2020 and Covid hit, people got months of downtime to pursue their passions and loves, and then when the lockdowns ended, "Get back to work you unwashed proles!" Now we've got Trump again, by no small margin, and people are making a martyr out of this Luigi because he just did what they've always wanted to.

Likewise, he showed them both that it can be done, and how to do it. It remains to be seen if any others follow his lead.

People saw freedom for the first time in their lives, and Corporate America has done everything in their power to grind us back down under their heels ever since. I don't think this will stop without FAR more shooting, since the Corporatists will never back down if it would hurt their bottom line even one cent.

[sarisataka]

104. I think it started with Regan telling people bad things are not their fault

and it is ok to feel you [white people] are better than other people. Trump put the brick on the gas pedal and made hate acceptable multiculturally.

Covid shook people to their core- kind of an everything you know is wrong. People who feel insecure will tend to act more on their feeling- and hate is now "ok"

[2naSalit]

111. It's quite...

Telling that they can't handle the daily obstacles to a sense of safety and well being that we "little people" must endure. My, they are just so special that any threat to their psyche is just a bridge too far. It makes it very clear that equality is not on their minds nor do they perceive such a luxury for we little people.

But then, I would argue that this is where the beginning of "eating the rich" has landed.

[BComplex]

52. In NO WAY does this encourage violence. It's drawing attention to the assholes who need to amend their behavior.

It's a teaching moment, as far as I'm concerned.

[Jacson6]

16. How about a picture with your address on a poster saying, "Trenzalore" supports the liberal Dems & is unamerican? n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. He/she should be ok with it,

after all, it is free speech.

[Trenzalore]

33. Once upon a time i was well known locally for politics

And their were blog post calling me out will all kinds of comments.

So...yeah already happened. It was also free speech.

[Trenzalore]

30. Their adresses are on the posters?

Didn't see that so that is a strawman

[BannonsLiver]

32. Agreed.

[Jacson6]

14. No Doxxing allowed. n/t

[intheflow]

48. This isn't doxxing.

Doxxing refers to posting private info. Nothing on either poster suggests personal info was displayed, and there is no threat of violence. "Deny. Defend. Depose." suggests action but not violence - unless you see obtaining legal depositions to be violent. (And yes, I know it can also mean to "remove someone from office forcefully," but that doesn't necessarily mean violently, even in that context.)

[AkFemDem]

56. Just like "from the river to the sea" is a quaint, nonviolent, folksy chant

(The title is sarcasm)

A person would have to be purposely obtuse to not link "deny. defined. depose" with violence after this week's actions.

[Trenzalore]

69. Sounds like you have a problem with the first amendment

I don't support that statement but at least for now they are protected to make it.

[AkFemDem]

75. Sounds like you didn't read what I said. Who said that they couldn't make it?

As I'm sure you know, the first amendment applies to government institutions. Where did I argue the government should censor whoever the idiot is thats hanging these? The flipside of free speech, though, is I get to call out clear violent rhetoric for what it is. We're not going to pretend "deny, defend, depose" means anything BUT violence this week.

[jalan48]

15. This will play into Trump's hands. Everyone on the left will be potential suspects or sympathizers.

Get in line or else!

[JohnSJ]

26. Without a doubt, and I think it will extend unfairly to the broad base labeling of Democrats. It is stupid to encourage

justify, or rationalize targeted killings against Americans, and as Josh Shapiro said, these people pushing this violence are NOT heros.

[BComplex]

58. No way. And trump's hands are so dirty they stink. I'm not going to play that game.

Perfect effort at encouraging democrats to be passive, however! We've been bending over and taking it for the past 50 years, so why not keep doing that, ey? The country just elected a fascist AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT BEHAVIOR!

[jalan48]

65. I don't think American's are ready to take on the power of a police state.

That's what's coming and I see no signs of leadership on the left that could overcome such a power. Romanticized Jesse James scenarios don't amount to much at this point.

[orangecrush]

61. Here's a clue for you

We ALREADY ARE.

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Free speech is being mocked and tested

This could be disinformation, continued, non-election type.

The cat's out of the bag on everything. It won't become anarchy, but it will have chaos here or there.

[JohnSJ]

24. Was it free speech when Dr. Tiller was assassinated by the anti-abortion zealots who also put their wanted posters up?

[redstatebluegirl]

28. Good heavens!

Is this what we have become??

[Passages]

34. The bandage is off, completely off.

America's decay can be restored if we want it to be.

End Citizens United.

[Efilroft Sul]

35. Somewhere, author Alan Moore is quietly nodding his head about our country's predilection for destructive behavior.

From Watchmen:

Owlman: What's happened to America? What's happened to the American dream?

The Comedian: It came true. You're looking at it.

That dialogue hits differently now.

[Cthulu on call]

38. To much cake for the masses

Personally, I'm usually a empathetic person, but this CEO like so many others know what theyre doing, they make money by the deaths of other human beings.
The UHC CEO put in a AI system that was made to deny claims.
Do they get life sentences, tried in a court, for their crimes against humanity?

No, they're celebrated has good people, when they really are some of the worst human beings on the planet.

So I'll put it this way. The murder is a reaction to health insurance companies feasting off the corpses of their customers, pulling in billions of dollars to enrich the top corporates.

I think just deserts were only a matter of time. It's just the start.

[onecaliberal]

42. I don't really care, do you?

[harumph]

43. Not my problem.

My son goes to his school everyday with the fear of a shooter. I'm not monied enough for private school.
Let me put it this way: I wouldn't set a man on fire personally, but there are plenty of people I can think of where
I wouldn't waste water to put them out. For those who think this is harsh, from where I'm sitting, the post war social contract
is pretty frayed in this country. We seem to be nothing but raw resources for the rich. It won't be too long before they will no longer need us at all. We will be relegated to starve, die whatever. When that day arrives, get back with me pearl clutchers.

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

[BannonsLiver]

46. WOnT sOmEonE pLeAsE tHinK oF tHe miLliOnAIrE CEOs?!111?!11

[Conjuay]

118. And would some one stop writing upper and lower case

- it's fucking annoying to try to read.

[BannonsLiver]

122. I do it when it warrants. In this case, it was warranted.

[Demobrat]

47. Good. Let them live in fear like every school kid in the country.

I don’t want them shot, just afraid they will be.

[Upthevibe]

49. Kick. N/T

[orangecrush]

53. And so it begins

[uponit7771]

66. Yep, the second gilded age isn't going to go well

[sop]

63. I can't condone it, but I can understand it.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

67. Oh no! ... Anyway. n/t

[dalton99a]

72. NEXT: Health insurance industry demands Congressional action to protect executives and profit

[Stargazer99]

116. So our public school children don't need the same safety as CEOs-shows what a sick country this is

[mcar]

76. This is revolting

Justifying murder because you don't like what the person's industry is doing is not OK.

Kind of like shooting up an abortion clinic because you don't like abortion isn't OK.

[sheshe2]

82. I don't recognize this place any longer...

Vigilantes will be bringing ‘justice’ now. An eye for an eye.

[mcar]

93. I wonder how many of those cheering on this murder

are against the death penalty?

[sheshe2]

102. Good question, mcar.

[Stargazer99]

117. When people have no recourse and nothing is being done in the name of profit when people could be saved medically

is fine?

[Iggo]

81. They're fake.

[LAS14]

87. How do you know? Serious question. We all need to develop skills for detecting fakes. nt

[LAS14]

83. This is not OK in a country ruled by law. And, though some may not agree, I think...

... the U.S. is still that kind of country. If this were Syria of a month ago, I'd probably think OK, depending on the choices for targets. I'm on the fence regarding Russia.

Bottom line, the world is not black and white.

[proud patriot]

89. it does not say Wanted Dead on the posters

at least they're not CEO recipe posters .

imo these CEO's should be in jail .

What these ceo's do should be public knowledge.
Their kids should learn how many people lost so
their parents could be rich .

why hide if they are proud of what they do for a living ?

the hiding is the problem , not the publicity IMO

[proud patriot]

115. thanks

[Bluethroughu]

90. I'm not broken up about it, do you hear these people fight for

The people of this country? Against ending healthcare programs for the poor, or the gun violence or anything but profits.

I guess the chaos won, the day trump/putin did.

The Republican party allowed this when they didn't convict the insurrectionist. The Republicans on the Supreme Court allowed this when they gave him immunity.

Welcome to the lawlessness brought to you by the Republican party and their rich benefactors.

[SpankMe]

91. Does anyone remember "The Nuremberg Files" website?

US judges rule in favour of abortion “hit list”

Antiabortionists in the United States have won the right to run a website publicising the names and addresses of doctors who provide abortions to pregnant women.

A three judge panel of a federal appeals court in San Francisco ruled that a website called “The Nuremberg Files” which depicted severed limbs dripping blood and listed the names and addresses of abortion providers, crossing their names off after they were killed, was constitutionally protected.

The panel held that the rhetoric was protected by First Amendment guarantees of the right of free speech that does not “authorise, ratify, or directly threaten violence.” The same ruling applied to old-style “Wanted” posters that branded a “Deadly Dozen” abortion doctors as “baby butchers.”

This is from 2001. More here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1120004/

Something about goose v. gander here?

[JoseBalow]

100. I thought that second one had tear-off tabs with contact info

For a second I thought it had tabs that people tore off with info on how to contact him

[Omnipresent]

103. School children have no choice when they keep getting gunned down in a school shooting.

Who the fuck should care about these Marie-Antoinettes CEO’s?

[flvegan]

105. While the "WANTED" posters are a bit difficult to read

I'm not seeing where there's any actual threat or call to violence contained on them.

Please note, before losing your collective shit, this is NOT me condoning any sort of violence, vigilante activity, nor the murder of any CEO, regardless of what a shit "human" they may have been.

To me it looks like another headline begging for clicks/recs/subscribes from the publisher.

[TBF]

109. I don't watch the news enough to know if a statement has been made by leadership -

I saw Gov. Shapiro make a statement, not sure if Biden has? A lot of folks have sympathy for the message, if not the shooter. Obviously not just a minority agree that we have a big problem with health insurance in this country. It would help if leaders would actually acknowledge that problem and suggest we need to look at the industry and how it does business.

The frustration is that we are heading towards Trump's inauguration, and he has already not only permitted lawlessness, but encouraged it (Jan. 6th). I was kind of in shock when Trump was actually elected this time, knowing it would be bad. I'm not sure I even anticipated how bad. This may be just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much anger in our country right now.

[Conjuay]

119. While this isn't good, and doesn't solve anything,

It has pushed our failed insurance -run -profit- based- health care system into the foreground and discussion. This system was a bad idea from the get-go, and it isn't going to fix itself.
I think profiteering from injury, accident, disease, and genetic background is both morally wrong and shows our lack of compassion for our neighbor.
WHY DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT OFTEN BANKRUPTS PEOPLE/OR HAVE THEM DIE WAITING FOR APPROVAL FROM SOME UNKNOWN THIRD PARTY?