Is it time for the running turncoat list? Fetterman/Shapiro/Clyburn/Moscowitz/Blumenthal

[DronePilot]

Anyone else who’s become a glowing Trump fan and defender?

I’m sure the list will grow leading up to the 20th of January.

[Shellback Squid]

1. In before the delete

[Callie1979]

4. Hahahahahahaha

[Irish_Dem]

2. What did Moscowitz do?

I missed that one.

[Kid Berwyn]

41. Joined the DOGE Caucus

So looking forward to getting Social Security in Bitcoin.

[Irish_Dem]

42. Like a GD replay of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

What the H is happening?

[Kid Berwyn]

44. MAGA Pod People

Once they peer into the magic bank bag, they believe going along will speed the rate at which Representatives transition into millionaires and Senators transition into billionaires.

Fucking Putin. And Musk.

[Irish_Dem]

45. The wide open doors to the US Treasury is too seductive to pass up.

The US government is going to be taken down to the studs and many people will want
a piece of the acton.

Yes indeed, US senators will now be billionaires and the Representatives will become millionaires.

All they have to do is play a little ball with Putin and the billionaires.
And they too can have their share of the US federal budget.

[Kid Berwyn]

74. Grinding Consumer-Citizens Into Bitcoin

Orbán: The Art of Eroding a Democracy

In 2010, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán came to power. Since then, he and his party, Fidesz, have systematically dismantled the country’s legal system and changed the election system to ensure future election victories. It is becoming harder and harder to criticise the government’s actions due to increasing restrictions by the government on the freedoms for media and civil society. It is not surprising that Fidesz won two-thirds of the seats in parliament 2014 and 2018, despite receiving less than 50 per cent of the votes in the 2014 and 2018 parliamentary elections.

A Rigged Election System

Testimonies from 170 ballot counters indicate that the ruling party gaining its narrow “super-majority” through “a combination of fraud and a rigged election system”. According to the organisation Unhack Democracy, this includes vote buying, “importing” of voters from neighbouring countries, uncertainties regarding the number of voters, election website malfunctions, tampering of votes from abroad, and election software systems built by people close to Fidesz that do not work.

Allocation of State Resources to the Ruling Party

Another way in which Orbán and Fidesz systematically undermine the democratic process in Hungary is by abusing their power to distribute state resources to themselves. International observers from the OSCE-ODIHR, Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, have noted a clear overlap of state resources and Fidesz resources in connection to the elections in the country, making it difficult for other parties to run for power on fair terms.

Shrinking Space for a Political Discussion

Orbán’s xenophobic rhetoric and discrediting of free media do not leave much room for an open democratic political debate. As a voter, it is not easy to make an informed decision about who should rule the country.

Source: Civil Rights Defenders

https://crd.org/vorban/

[Irish_Dem]

81. Exactly, it is not rocket science. Clear and simple formula.

The PutinGOP is following it to the letter.
Very successfully.

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. We're all Republicans now, Comrade.

[ForgedCrank]

12. Alright,

this one actually gave me a chuckle. Thanks, I really needed it too, hehe

[Irish_Dem]

43. Better red than dead as the saying goes.

Pass the vodka and I don't even drink.

[Glorfindel]

78. Reminds me of this by Garrison Keillor:

April 1, 2006

We're all Republicans now,
We've all come around somehow
We'll stay the course,
No regret or remorse
We're all Republicans now.
Taxes are terribly high,
Especially on people who die.
The economy's booming prosperity's here
Yes, we're in debt but there's nothing to fear
New Orleans is gone but hey it's okay
None of our friends liked that town anyway
We're all Republicans
We're all Republicans
We're all Republicans now
We're all Republicans now,
United, devoted, and how.
We can be cruel
If your name is Abdul.
We're all Republicans now.
The President's on the right track
He's driving the terrorists back
We're tapping your phone, for what we might hear.
If you're innocent, you've got nothing to fear.
Unless you are gay or leftist or French
'Cause those are our judges up on the bench,
We're all Republicans
We're all Republicans
We're all Republicans now

[Silent Type]

5. So which Dems won't be eaten/bashed before trump takes office?

[choie]

52. The ones that are not ok with

a pardon for trump? It's not a big ask, is it?

[Callie1979]

6. Why not give some context when posting some accusation like that?

[angrychair]

96. They all have given their support to Trump

In one way or the other. It's all over social media and news feeds

[Callie1979]

112. Haven't seen Shapiro giving him any

Not sure of the others, but it also could be one persons definition of "support" compared to anothers is completely different.
As it stands today I'd say Shapiro is in my top 3 for '28. Andy Beshear is another.

[DronePilot]

7. Moskowitz is in on the DOGE scam, but it may be premature.

He claims he really wants to separate FEMA from the Dept of Homeland Security. He has highly praised Musk recently for the DOGE idea.

Of everyone so far, I hope he continues his assault on the Republican Party, but apparently he and his family have been getting threatened by MAGA cowards.

[Nictuku]

10. It would be good to have an insider ... perhaps

[Lulu KC]

26. This doesn't sound like a bad idea to me--better to have someone in the room

And if I trust a representative from Florida to be as protective of Social Security and Medicare as much as I do anyone.

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5215817/democratic-rep-moskowitz-joins-trump-group-pushing-for-government-efficiency

Rep. Jared Moskowitz: When it comes to the budget, I think fiscal conservatism is a good thing. I think most Americans want to pay the least amount of taxes possible, but still get the most amount of services out of that. So if they're right on something, we should support it. We shouldn't just be the opposition party of "since they came up with it, we can't support it because we don't want to give them a win." But we also need to push back when they want to do stupid things.

Moskowitz: No, I'm sure there's lots of things that Elon and Vivek are going to propose that I'm going to say are wrong and will not work. And I look forward to that conversation. But when in America do we not even want to have the conversation? This idea of staying in your safe space and only talking to people you agree with didn't work for us in the last election. So we need to go into rooms and have comfortable and uncomfortable conversations.

[Cirsium]

39. What?

That is awful.

[angrychair]

97. I have a saying

"compromise is great as long as you're not the one being compromised."
Middle ground has a very different meaning up Republicans than Democrats.
We are in serious trouble.

[Voltaire2]

80. Bipartisanship died in 2009.

At some point the Democratic Party centrists will figure this out, or not.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

8. What Democrats need is factional endorsements.

Because U.S. party labels are intentionally generic so as to fool voters, and because Democrats stand for everything in general (big tent-ism) and thus nothing in particular, and because Republicans have coalesced around oligarchic fascism; what could help clear things up for non-MAGA and non-Christofascist voters is for groups like New York's Working Families Party and Vermont's Progressive party to go national, do concise and deep vetting on candidates, and follow up by mercilessly making life miserable for any politician who votes against the faction's program. The hope would be that candidates would eventually come to seek out such endorsements and stick to the program unless they could justify other actions.

Doing things this way might give folks something closer to a choice in the primaries and the faction would not have to go through the nightmare of trying to quality as a third party in 50 states. Voters backing the primary losers would then have the choice whether to compromise and vote for someone or just stay home on Election Day.

Factions would have to have a clear program/agenda, which goes against the grain of American politics (the dreaded so-called bipartisanship thing). Since the Corporate-and-Finance "Clinton" Liberals control most of the party pursestrings, alternative funding would be essential to any such project. I thought groups like Occupy Democrats and Justice Democrats were on the path toward this, but their efforts seem to be mostly directed toward web propaganda, and the effects of their efforts seem to be diminishing of late.

To be clear, I use the "could" and "might" quite purposefully. There would be much resistance to any such more, and moreover, any system can be played. The above probably wouldn't rule out an opportunist climber like Kyrsten Sinema, played the progressive for years before working only to ensure wealthy lifestyle for herself after her one term was done.

[0rganism]

25. More like how the NRA strongarms politicians than how, say, unions do endorsements and lobbying

Way past time for the other amendments to get some public backing.

[badhair77]

9. What did Shapiro do?

[GenThePerservering]

11. You could always look it up

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Josh+Shapiro+and+the+GOP&form=ANNTH1&refig=0acad9824b5443a0ab09db453648f30f&pc=U531

[Callie1979]

19. And? A bunch of Shapiro stories dating back 2 years?

How he won easily in '22, may have presidential aspirations (I hope so), not backing down on deportations, etc.
Nothing salacious

[Polybius]

20. I finally met someone who uses Bing to search!

Last edited Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:35 PM - Edit history (1)

[Lulu KC]

24. Nothing recent

Last edited Sat Dec 14, 2024, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Everyone adored him in July. He said Luigi Mangione is not a hero. Is that to be equated with pardoning DT?

[Lulu KC]

22. I keep seeing things about Shapiro in this context

So far no one has answered this question. I know he spoke out against Luigi Mangione, which angered some people here, but I have seen nothing he's said or done that shows him to be weak with Republicans. If I find it, I'll come back and tell you!

[SoFlaBro]

35. I fucking speak out against him too. Shooting people in the street is not the fucking way forward yet.

[Skittles]

47. speaking out against a gun humping stone-cold killer

omfg

[crud]

51. recently criticized Biden for pardoning

the cash for kids judges from PA who took kickbacks for sending juveniles to private prisons. I agree with Shapiro on that. Those judges should serve all their sentences, whatever they got.

[RandomNumbers]

69. Why the HELL did Biden pardon those guys?

I completely missed that.

WTAF?

[lapucelle]

94. I disagree with Biden's move, but facts matter.

It was one judge, not "judges", and he wasn't pardoned. Biden commuted his sentence.

https://whyy.org/articles/biden-commutation-kids-for-cash-angers-pennsylvania-families/

[RandomNumbers]

67. I dunno but he's very popular in PA with Democrats.

I mean actual registered and voting Democrats.

It's a puzzle ...

[tritsofme]

70. Well, he is Jewish. So that is a big no-no for lots of people!

[Mosby]

73. And he's a Zionist.

That's not acceptable in a lot of liberal circles.

[RandiFan1290]

113. That's why so many hate Bernie, too. nt

[JohnSJ]

84. There are some people here who seem to have problem with Jews. He didn't do anything bad. This is pureflame bait by

the OP.

[Hekate]

100. Yes it is

It’s disturbing as hell to see this popping up at DU — increasingly. How totally liberal and progressive — four American Jews on the “enemies list” of a poster at Democratic Underground.

[Meowmee]

13. Welcome to Du Madam ou Monsieur

May your stay be a pleasant one 😁😹

[Hekate]

14. Enjoy your stay, DronePilot

[question everything]

18. What a way to start

[republianmushroom]

15. Agree

46 months and counting

[MarineCombatEngineer]

48. You agree with creating an enemies list of Dems?

[republianmushroom]

49. Some Dem's are not true Dem's but Dem's in name only.

One from Arizona and one from Kentucky comes to mend quickly.

[Antarctica58]

65. Who? Why?

Who? Why?

[H2O Man]

16. no

[Hekate]

21. Thank you

[question everything]

17. Were it not for Clyburn we would not have won in 2020

[choie]

53. That was four years ago.

His belief that Biden should pardon trump is outrageous.

[question everything]

66. "Years ago" - thus being tossed out with yesterday trash? How ungrateful can you be?

He and others have made their own calculations believing, I think, that it is time to move on, to be ready for 2026 and 2028.

Some believe that had Trump was left alone after the elections without the continuous indictments that he would not have been emboldened enough to run and win. I don’t know but I respect this thought.

[choie]

93. I did not say that.

"Moving on" is not pardoning a fucking insurrectionist who doesn't even admit to doing anything wrong. Are you kidding? And as far as being "ungrateful" - he works for his constituents, that's work that he should be doing.

[Hekate]

103. Then under the bus with Clyburn! And roll it back and forth a bit!

[choie]

106. Take the blinders off.

Can't admit that it was a fucking stupid, if not foolhardy thing for him to say.

[Lulu KC]

23. And what did Moscowitz do?

Still haven't heard back on Shapiro.

[Lulu KC]

28. I found Moskowitz--still waiting on Governor Shapiro

Hurling people's names around without substantiation is something I haven't seen on DU in the past.

[BamaRefugee]

27. We mustn't criticize our own! Gabbard, Manchin, f'n JOE LIEBERMAN, Gloria Romero in Cali, and all the others are GREAT!

Man do I hate Lieberman.
Oops sorry please don't put me in front of a jury!

[Lulu KC]

29. Once they cross a line

No one's going to alert. That's pretty clear.

[bucolic_frolic]

30. It's a strategy of co-optation to try to weaken the weak Republicans

We're all in this together. Our heads in the sand won't get it done either.

[choie]

54. What?

Expressing that Biden should pardon trump is a strategy of co-optation? Are you kidding?

[Midnight Writer]

31. Look, Ma! We're starting an Enemies List!

[quickesst]

33. Posting...

... without all the facts, or posting out of context? Not all that unusual around here. Jussie Smollett. 🤔 Surprising also is just how many jump on those bandwagons. Less surprising is how many decide to distance themselves from the bandwagon they just jumped on once context, and or facts are known.

The OP probably would have garnered a larger bandwagon had he taken what he believes was the most egregious person, and concentrated his firepower onto one target rather than multiple targets with a shotgun. That scenario has proven to be the most effective. I think it's all egotistical, juvenile horseshit, but hey, what do I know?

[Patton French]

34. This should be deleted.

[tritsofme]

36. What a nonsense thread.

[La Coliniere]

37. No. I wouldn't call those Democrats turncoats.

Even though I disagree with some of the recent statements or intentions coming from some of the group you listed, we need to reject circular firing squad political tactics. It only weakens our side. If a member of Congress acts in the benefit of the GOP, they should be held accountable by voters in a primary.

[choie]

55. Waiting for a primary may be too late.

It's not a circular firing squad. It's called holding them accountable now. Why should we wait until all of a sudden the majority of Dems say "hey let's pardon trump for the good of our country". It's happened before, and very recently too.

[Wiz Imp]

59. Show us where the majority of Dems said:

"hey let's pardon trump for the good of our country"

[choie]

61. My point is, and I think I was pretty clear:

the time to express our disgust at the idea is NOW so that other Democratic elected officials understand how we are vehemently against pardoning that fucker or acquiescing to his demands to vote for his policies or nominations. Sitting on our hands and waiting for a primary will be too late.

[Wiz Imp]

38. So now apparently anyone who doesn't trash Trump every time they say something is a Trump fan?

Good to know. By this standard, there will be nobody who isn't an enemy/turncoat.

BTW, you missed Bernie Sanders:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-elon-musk-very-smart-rfk-jr-is-right-2024-12?op=1

Bernie Sanders says Elon Musk is 'a very smart guy' and RFK Jr. 'is right' about our unhealthy society

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-bernie-sanders-praises-musk-202701805.html

‘Elon Is Right’: Bernie Sanders Praises Musk for Key DOGE Proposal

[choie]

56. Someone who says they're for pardoning trump

is not someone who just "doesn't trash trump"

[Wiz Imp]

57. Point us to where Moskowitz, Blumenthal & Shapiro called for pardoning Trump?

[choie]

58. I'm referring to Fetterman and Clyburn.

[Wiz Imp]

60. The original post called for ALL of them to be on a turncoat list

That's what I and most other people here were mocking it for. So once again, show me why Moskowitz, Blumenthal & Shapiro should be on a turncoat list?

[choie]

62. I'm not for a fucking "enemies list"

I'm merely for holding our elected Democratic leaders accountable.

[Wiz Imp]

64. Then why the hell did you even respond to me in the first place?

The point of my post was obviously to mock the idea of an enemies list. But for some reason you felt you had to respond to my post as if I said something I never said.

[Meowmee]

40. Trashed

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. Enemies list huh?

Sure you're on the right website?
This sounds more like a repuke enemies list.
Enjoy your stay.

[Hekate]

101. A hundred responses that include a lot of attaboys from DUers

What the HELL.
I’m with you — I thought this would be long gone, but no.

[RandomNumbers]

68. No. Or keep it somewhere else, not DU

Democrats just lost the most important election of our lifetime and people - including some Dem politicians, who are, you know, actual people, amazingly - are trying to figure out the best way to play a bad hand. Considering how they played it leading up to the election, clearly was not effective.

They are members of the Democratic coalition. Deal with it.

[Iggo]

71. If we're still trying to lose elections, then yes.

[tritsofme]

72. An enemies list drawn up almost exclusively of Jews and Blacks. Is anyone surprised?

[Iggo]

75. Of democrats, by democrats, and for democrats.

GOP: “They’re doing our work for us again. This is easy!”

[MarineCombatEngineer]

77. I have no idea why this thread is still standing.

[JohnSJ]

83. Exactly, and the disturbing comments from some that seem to be applauding it is bullshit. This really spells echos

of what some were doing in 2016 here against Hillary.

This is really messed up, and DU is going to lose me if this misrepresentation, flamebait crap keeps up.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

87. Me too.

I've been posting fewer and fewer times here since the election trying to avoid the.........Well, you know what I'm talking about.

[JohnSJ]

89. Here is the same post defending musk. There is something not quite right going on here, and unfortunately, it seem that

some are falling for this crap:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19819970

[Hekate]

105. I hear you loud and clear

[Lulu KC]

79. I noticed

Shapiro, Moskowitz, and Blumenthal and wondered if anyone else had noticed. The accusation against Shapiro hasn't been provided; Moskowitz is a Democrat who has managed to be elected in Florida and is joining Bernie in thinking we should be represented at DOJE; and Blumenthal made one statement about the legal ramifications of pre-emptive pardons recently. Enemies?

[yardwork]

90. Fetterman is a vocal supporter of Israel, so he's probably an honorary Jew.

At least for the purposes of lists like this.

[Hekate]

104. Yeah, kinda surprised, but mostly appalled and nauseated. This is DU?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

76. Start a controversial thread, then not participate when questioned on your "turncoat" list?

You sound....................familiar.

[Iggo]

85. Shit Stirring 101.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

86. Most definitely.

Trying to turn Dems against Dems on behalf of the repukes.
Methinks this might be a, rhymes with roll.

[JohnSJ]

82. WTF Op. Did you just join DU to push garbage. Except perhaps for one in that list, NONE OF THOSE IS A defender of

of the sociopath.

Perhaps you should go where you belong with the Jill Stein and green party groupies who have done nothing but hurt the Democrats since 2000.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

91. ...

I suspect that what we have here is, rhymes with roll.

[JohnSJ]

88. Hey OP, I find it really interesting that you go out of your way to trash some Democrats, yet YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM

WITH MUSK:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19819970

Excuse if I don't believe in the sincerity of your posts.

[mcar]

92. I thought this was Democratic Underground?

I must have wandered into some “Dems suck” place.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

95. Bye by

[MarineCombatEngineer]

98. Aww,

we hardly knew ye DronePilot.

[Cha]

108. lol.. But We Knew ENOOUGH!

[ecstatic]

99. lol. They're not all in the same category. The only person on that list

who has truly jumped the shark is fetterman.

Shapiro - Of course, as Governor, he cannot condone anyone getting gunned down on the street. If he said anything other than what he said, it would be a bad look for Democrats.

Clyburn - Old school, potentially out of touch and needing to retire but I don't detect any malice. He's just wrong about the trump pardon topic.

Moscowitz - ?

Blumenthal - Bad aides provided terrible cliff notes. Misinformed and just needs to get the correct information asap.

lol

[H2O Man]

102. No.

[Patton French]

107. What action should be taken based on your list?

NT

[Iggo]

109. A Democrat Enemies List on DU.

Wow.

[Patton French]

110. Indeed.

And it’s still here. WTF?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

111. At least the OP (troll) isn't anymore,

at least for now.

[Hotler]

114. kicking ..... nt