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CatWoman

(80,334 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 06:48 PM Dec 2024

UnitedHealth CEO Sparks Uproar After Unbelievable New York Times Op-Ed

The New York Times has published the most inane op-ed after the shooting of the UnitedHealthcare CEO.

Critics are torching a New York Times op-ed Friday by the chief of UnitedHealthcare’s parent company, arguing that the $23.5 million-salaried executive’s message overwhelmingly ignored the failures actively perpetuated by his company in the American health care system.

UnitedHealth Group CEO Andrew Witty condemned the American public’s gleeful response to the death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, who was assassinated by a masked gunman last week on the streets of New York City just hours before an investor meeting.

In roughly 600 words, he also attempted to deflect his insurance network’s responsibility in the growing inequity in America’s health care system, vaguely pointing to a “patchwork” of failures decades in the making while swearing that his corporate network—which reported $22 billion in profits in 2023 alone, nearly three times the figure reported by CVS, the second-most-profitable health insurance company that year—was consistently fighting to “deliver high-quality care and lower costs.”

But readers weren’t buying it.

Instead, they swarmed the Times with negative feedback, piling on more than 2,500 comments within hours of the article’s publication, temporarily disabling its Comments section. Users shared their own horrible experiences with the health insurance industry, deriding Witty’s vapid analysis as a “self-serving essay” that did nothing to address UnitedHealthcare’s role in a system that prioritizes shareholder profits over successful medical outcomes for its clients.

https://newrepublic.com/post/189376/new-york-times-nyt-backlash-op-ed-unitedhealth-group-ceo

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UnitedHealth CEO Sparks Uproar After Unbelievable New York Times Op-Ed (Original Post) CatWoman Dec 2024 OP
Fuck Andrew Witty, he can eat shit. Autumn Dec 2024 #1
Holy shit, talk about being out of touch with reality. Initech Dec 2024 #2
The wealthy are truly this clueless. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #3
I thought it was clueless NJCher Dec 2024 #31
They know how it looks and they don't care. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #35
I'm not so sure I agree with the NJCher Dec 2024 #42
Bezo's soul searching before paying the bribe money doesn't impress me in the least. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #43
You checked your conscience NJCher Dec 2024 #46
Bezos is not going to die or go hungry if he tells Trump to go to hell. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #47
It's not a matter of Bezos's NJCher Dec 2024 #59
His soul-searching likely involved an electron microscope...... lastlib Dec 2024 #48
How much could trump hurt kacekwl Dec 2024 #55
okay. how can you threaten somebody who has a zillion dollars? NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #82
But if the "laws and rules" allow "bribes and corruption" aren't we DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #98
The laws and rules still apply to the great unwashed. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #99
It is just pocket change. Nothing important. Normal people could just ask their parents for the same money. LiberalArkie Dec 2024 #88
They just bdamomma Dec 2024 #78
Yep they have no idea what is it like for people without a huge staff of servants and Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #83
I'm bdamomma Dec 2024 #85
Yes that is what happens in Russian and China. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #87
FUCK ALL of THEM FirstLight Dec 2024 #4
don't stop mtasselin Dec 2024 #9
Grocery prices are high and they might be tasty IronLionZion Dec 2024 #11
fat and marbley... FirstLight Dec 2024 #14
All the qualities one looks for in a Delmonico or Strip..... Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #16
without the toxicity of course Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #22
Wagyu CEO. paleotn Dec 2024 #21
I'll bring the barbecue sauce. AllyCat Dec 2024 #40
Yes the BBQ sauce is imperative,... magicarpet Dec 2024 #77
Pitchforks 'R' Us is proud to announce the return of "Millionaire Marinades"! Buns_of_Fire Dec 2024 #63
Needs to be more than one. AllyCat Dec 2024 #39
These people really do live in a different universe Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #5
Maybe bdamomma Dec 2024 #81
I do not mock the death of the CEO or anyone Bread and Circuses Dec 2024 #6
Nonsense. Lots of people are celebrating this murder. AZ8theist Dec 2024 #25
As I stated in another post somewhere... OldBaldy1701E Dec 2024 #36
I am happy it is a focus of attention IbogaProject Dec 2024 #49
It's a bad look when people on the so-called left go grave dancing. valleyrogue Dec 2024 #52
One more time: 1) No one said you solve problems Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 2024 #61
I agree. The scolding by Democrats is a bad look. yardwork Dec 2024 #70
Also, when the republiQans say Democrats think we're better than others, it's a glaring projection when you think about Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #105
Yeah well, the right is grave dancing just as hard tenderfoot Dec 2024 #60
It is a great look when both left and right working people rediscover class solidarity. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #79
.... CatWoman Dec 2024 #89
it's almost as if the congressionally approved US healthcare system was scamming the populace nt msongs Dec 2024 #7
Congressionally approved, because 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #38
I don't know anyone who hasn't been screwed over by a health insurance company, or hasn't had a family sop Dec 2024 #8
The nobility in France didn't get it either. Biophilic Dec 2024 #10
THIS malaise Dec 2024 #13
Not until they "got it." paleotn Dec 2024 #20
The nobility in France didn't get it either. MLWR Dec 2024 #37
I'm with you... it's about time the American people slightlv Dec 2024 #44
I agree but like many, I can't afford to lose my job. LT Barclay Dec 2024 #51
That arrogant British piece of shit should be deported malaise Dec 2024 #12
Fuck That Shit For Brains Douchebag MayReasonRule Dec 2024 #15
UHC CEO sayz system sucks, where's Congress? Silent Type Dec 2024 #17
Careful, Witty. (ironic name) Stirring the shit only makes it smell worse. paleotn Dec 2024 #18
Can't answer the question? Congress does nothing, and you shrug your shoulders. Silent Type Dec 2024 #32
Do you need an answer? Conjuay Dec 2024 #64
Dr. Oz Beck23 Dec 2024 #19
Well of course the fucking grifter does. No laws or rules against it anymore?? Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #23
Pluto just entered Aquarius and the last time that happened both the American and French Revolutions occurred. OMGWTF Dec 2024 #24
both the American and French Revolutions occurred. NJCher Dec 2024 #33
I don't think I'd call the response "gleeful." soldierant Dec 2024 #26
"Let them eat cake!" The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2024 #27
Actually Marie Antoinette said "brioche" Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #90
WE deserve better than this and I find healthcare for profit quite disturbing vapor2 Dec 2024 #28
Quite disturbing indeed! Trust_Reality Dec 2024 #34
it is terribly disturbing. The worst part is the obscene profits made by the insurance companies yellowdogintexas Dec 2024 #80
I don't know Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #29
My company spun off its dental insurance to Humana DFW Dec 2024 #57
So far Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #75
corporate gaslighting Skittles Dec 2024 #30
when is the NYT going to post an op-ed from parents who lost their child to cancer because of denied treatment? Takket Dec 2024 #41
It's "right-wing bullshit" when grave dancers over Thompson's MURDER get condemned? valleyrogue Dec 2024 #54
Go ahead and take the high road, if you like... Conjuay Dec 2024 #65
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #86
They're all ghouls. Mr. Evil Dec 2024 #45
fuck the NY Times ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #50
+1000. (nt) Paladin Dec 2024 #62
Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his spooky3 Dec 2024 #53
What a kick-ass quote! Using it! calimary Dec 2024 #91
Take aim VanceFan Dec 2024 #56
um no Skittles Dec 2024 #103
I bet the dude ran right out and bought a bullet proof vest. BradBo Dec 2024 #66
And he'll expect us to accept his security expenses... RainCaster Dec 2024 #71
I fully expect a ton of DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #92
If there was any doubt a source of frustration with voters is their lack of faith in Passages Dec 2024 #67
"$22 billion in profits in 2023 alone" vanessa_ca Dec 2024 #73
Tone deaf as usual. Noel Kums Dec 2024 #68
$22 BILLION in profits in one year?! yardwork Dec 2024 #69
Yes, on $371 billion in gross EX500rider Dec 2024 #93
A lot of that gross comes directly from tax dollars, for Medicare Advantage. yardwork Dec 2024 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 2024 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 2024 #72
There's been a lot of whitewashing of insurers' role in the health care system Passages Dec 2024 #74
The company is just making things worse for themselves in the long run with this kind of denial, obfuscation, and Martin68 Dec 2024 #76
Find someone who was killed by their decisions in a red state Old Crank Dec 2024 #84
Any enterprise that becomes MORE profitable by deliberately being LESS efficient in the product they offer . . . Aussie105 Dec 2024 #95
The Minnesota Star Tribune also printed his drivel dflprincess Dec 2024 #96
I think if my coworker had just been gunned down by someone with a huge beef with the industry. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #100
Recommended # 235 H2O Man Dec 2024 #101
The discussion should be about who is responsible for the system that we have, and how we ge them to change it. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #102
K&R spanone Dec 2024 #104

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
3. The wealthy are truly this clueless.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 06:58 PM
Dec 2024

They have no idea what life is like for the average person.

ETA: At the same time they lie a lot.

NJCher

(43,535 posts)
31. I thought it was clueless
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:53 PM
Dec 2024

for the 3 tech execs to fork over a million to dump's inauguration fund. Do they have any idea how corrupt this looks?

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
35. They know how it looks and they don't care.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:03 PM
Dec 2024

The billionaire corruption and bribes of politicians and judges are totally out in the open.

The Supreme Court has ruled that bribe money is just a tip for a job well done.
Before the job is even done.

So it is all legal I guess.

In Russia and China bribes and corruption are common place and just the way business and politics are done.
They think we are losers for following the laws and rules.

NJCher

(43,535 posts)
42. I'm not so sure I agree with the
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:20 PM
Dec 2024

one with Bezos. I heard from someone in the know that Trump pressured Bezos very intensely and it wasn't an easy decision for Bezos. Apparently he reluctantly gave in because trump could really hurt him on the tariff situation. All the Chinese crap he's busy selling.

Zuckerberg, sure, no problem. He knows and doesn't care. He's said and demonstrated as much on other occasions. I read Kara Swisher.

Regardless, I can live without Amazon and Amazon Music so they are gone in my world. Nobody is indispensable.

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
43. Bezo's soul searching before paying the bribe money doesn't impress me in the least.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:30 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Bezos caved in, he gave Trump a bribe to get protection from the tariffs.

This is a bribe, paying protection money to prevent harm.

At the end of the day he is no better than the others kissing Trump's ring.

If I only reluctantly agree to commit a crime or engage in wrong doing, it is just as wrong as
the guy who did it wholeheartedly.

ETA: Searching your soul before you commit a wrong doing seems worse, you actually checked your conscience
and did the bad thing anyway.

NJCher

(43,535 posts)
46. You checked your conscience
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:25 PM
Dec 2024

or you started wheezing from the chokehold.


Oops, meant to add this quote from a 2022 wsj article:

Starlink’s approach is similar to those of Britain’s OneWeb and Amazon.com Inc., which plans to roll out its low-orbit satellite network over the next few years. The SpaceX business also competes with more established companies offering internet service using satellites stationed deeper into space such as Viasat Inc.


I would like to see musk have some competitors, even if it is Bezos.

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
47. Bezos is not going to die or go hungry if he tells Trump to go to hell.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:40 PM
Dec 2024

Bezos is worth $300B and his kids won't starve or have to drop out of school if he loses half his income.

I understand people sometimes have to do what they have to do to pay bills or feed hungry children.

Bezos is not one of them.

He has sold his soul to the devil to keep his vast wealth which he cannot even spend
in his lifetime or his heirs in many generations.

It is very naive of Bezos to think that paying Trump a huge bribe will allow him to compete
with Trump's boyfriend Musk.

If this is why Bezos prostituted himself for Trump, he is a total fool.

NJCher

(43,535 posts)
59. It's not a matter of Bezos's
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 03:16 AM
Dec 2024

wealth. It's how Bezos himself sees the situation with competition.

lastlib

(28,627 posts)
48. His soul-searching likely involved an electron microscope......
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:43 PM
Dec 2024

The delay in finding his soul produced the delay in him giving in, without a doubt.

Like Rush said, "Big Money got no soul...."

kacekwl

(9,266 posts)
55. How much could trump hurt
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:51 AM
Dec 2024

Bezos ? The world revolves around Amazon. A lot of regular "working class" people will be pissed if prices go up and that will hurt trump more than Bezos. He will survive but choose to cave to a fascist regime.

NoRethugFriends

(3,780 posts)
82. okay. how can you threaten somebody who has a zillion dollars?
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:05 PM
Dec 2024

Oh, now you will only have 0.98 zillion dollars?

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
98. But if the "laws and rules" allow "bribes and corruption" aren't we
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:18 PM
Dec 2024

next level and not "losers for following the laws and rules"?

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
99. The laws and rules still apply to the great unwashed.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:29 PM
Dec 2024

That would be the 99% who are not top tier.

LiberalArkie

(19,919 posts)
88. It is just pocket change. Nothing important. Normal people could just ask their parents for the same money.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:38 PM
Dec 2024

bdamomma

(69,629 posts)
78. They just
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:56 PM
Dec 2024

can't understand how we get up each morning and go to work every day, and do the things we do. They just don't get it. They feel like they are privileged and we do not deserve anything.

Makes me think of this: The meek shall inherit the earth,

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
83. Yep they have no idea what is it like for people without a huge staff of servants and
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:10 PM
Dec 2024

millions of dollars of fun money.

Irish_Dem

(82,383 posts)
87. Yes that is what happens in Russian and China.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:35 PM
Dec 2024

All the corrupt wealthy and political leaders fighting and throwing each other out of windows in Russia.
In China people just disappear, never to be seen again.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
4. FUCK ALL of THEM
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 06:59 PM
Dec 2024

eat.the.rich.

If we eat just one, they might fall in line? lol


Which makes me think of a subconscious thread of zombie hoard movies, etc... are "we" the zombies in that scenario? If so, then those who live in the gated communities see themselves as the ones who are truly human...? iiiinnnnteresting...

mtasselin

(668 posts)
9. don't stop
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:32 PM
Dec 2024

When the time comes, they all need to be eliminated, or they will grow stronger. There is no rational reason for the rich to be that rich, and it is never enough.

magicarpet

(19,422 posts)
77. Yes the BBQ sauce is imperative,...
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
Dec 2024

.... it hides and masks the bitter, sòur, and rancid taste of the rich. Lots of garlic helps too.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,222 posts)
63. Pitchforks 'R' Us is proud to announce the return of "Millionaire Marinades"!
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 08:46 AM
Dec 2024

We'll be rolling out "Trump l'Orange" to add a tropical twist with orange juice, oregano, garlic, and powdered palmetto bugs - and "Musk Melon" which adds a hint of honey, lemon, mint, and Jet B Avgas.

For best results, trim closely. These cuts contain a lot of fat.

(Check our weekly specials on pitchforks and torches, and ask about our tumbrel rentals!)

Bread and Circuses

(2,121 posts)
6. I do not mock the death of the CEO or anyone
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:08 PM
Dec 2024

Taking life, all life is counter to my ethics. The suspect seems to have medical problems.

No one is celebrating the murder. We do mourn the many people who are in pain today or have their lives ended early due to greed by corporations and oligarchs. We each make a choice in our life regarding how we make a living.

The CEO made a choice, soaring profits and claims being denied to pad dividends and bonuses is an indication that he chose money. Period, that’s his life summed up.

AZ8theist

(7,638 posts)
25. Nonsense. Lots of people are celebrating this murder.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:20 PM
Dec 2024

Whether or not that is moral, good or bad, or acceptable to some is irrelevant.

So many people have had lives DESTROYED by the so-called "Health" insurance industry.

They have every right to celebrate some push back against the oligarchs who are hell bent on destroying society in the name of MONEY.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,566 posts)
36. As I stated in another post somewhere...
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:10 PM
Dec 2024

We are not celebrating the action this person took.

We are celebrating that he took action. And, got a result. Which is way more than some of us have gotten. (My favorite comment from the first article about the investigation: "Oh, so the NYPD does know how to investigate a murder!" )

I wish someone did not have to die to make the point, but here we are. You want this to stop? Remove profit from healthcare or offer a public option that has a sliding scale.

Otherwise, get ready. This is far from over.

Far.

IbogaProject

(6,075 posts)
49. I am happy it is a focus of attention
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 11:00 PM
Dec 2024

Obviously murder is wrong but so is war and we had to fight the confederates and later the Nazis. I'm glad this is focusing attention to how we pay the most for the worst health outcomes. Among the many American shortcomings like student debt this health insurance is the worst of our faults. Alldue to the Dixiecrat opposition to minorities getting the same care back when the whole world went public healthcare or at least single payer like Canada.

valleyrogue

(2,795 posts)
52. It's a bad look when people on the so-called left go grave dancing.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:27 AM
Dec 2024

I want no part of that crap. If convicted, Mangione should spend a very long time in prison.

You don't solve problems by killing people. Count me out of this insane grave dancing by people on social media.

Scrivener7

(60,079 posts)
58. One more time: 1) No one said you solve problems
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 02:24 AM
Dec 2024

by killing people. People ARE using black humor, which is a way to deal with difficulties. Or they are expressing feelings caused by their own hardships.
2)Talking about a killing is not the same as killing people. Morality is in the actions we take. And no one here is killing anyone.

And I'll add: we try way too hard to look harmless to the right. A little anxiety on their part will do us all good.

Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #58)

yardwork

(69,648 posts)
70. I agree. The scolding by Democrats is a bad look.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 11:56 AM
Dec 2024

We come across as judgmental, and people don't like it. It's something the Republicans have weaponized against us - this sense that Democrats think we're better than others. It hurts us in elections.

We run around criticizing one another and Republicans just laugh at us, while marching to the polls to elect more Republicans.

We need to shake off this purity thing.

Scrivener7

(60,079 posts)
105. Also, when the republiQans say Democrats think we're better than others, it's a glaring projection when you think about
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 10:47 PM
Dec 2024

it, so we should be having a PR strategy that hangs that around THEIR necks.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
60. Yeah well, the right is grave dancing just as hard
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 03:21 AM
Dec 2024

Seems that both are sick to death of health care insurance companies.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
79. It is a great look when both left and right working people rediscover class solidarity.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:01 PM
Dec 2024

Now we need to realize that assassination is perhaps not the best strategy to wage class war.

msongs

(74,204 posts)
7. it's almost as if the congressionally approved US healthcare system was scamming the populace nt
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:08 PM
Dec 2024

sop

(19,348 posts)
8. I don't know anyone who hasn't been screwed over by a health insurance company, or hasn't had a family
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:21 PM
Dec 2024

member victimized by a health insurer. It's a universally loathed industry.

Biophilic

(6,685 posts)
10. The nobility in France didn't get it either.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:44 PM
Dec 2024

They were just as clueless and they had more reason not to understand what was going on “below “ them. But the inability to comprehend or even attempt to comprehend is similar. These people really live in a different world.

MLWR

(1,079 posts)
37. The nobility in France didn't get it either.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:10 PM
Dec 2024

Thank you. From the day this CEO was shot, that was my first thought. We are taught the French Revolution was a great event that brought democracy to France. Did all these people think it was bloodless? Have they ever heard of the guillotine? Or the expression "heads will roll"? The French rose up against oppression (as did the Bolsheviks, the Romanians, the Filipinos etc) None of these uprisings were bloodless and frankly I don't see a huge difference between those movements against oppression and this one. All these movements begin with individual acts.

slightlv

(7,949 posts)
44. I'm with you... it's about time the American people
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:49 PM
Dec 2024

started advocating for themselves against the way we're being robbed! And healthcare is an excellent place to start; it touches everyone. I'd like to see us be able to call for a general strike and have everyone strike for at least one day. We could kill one whole day's worth of profits, if not more. But they keep us too poor and downtrodden to have enough self-esteem to stand up for ourselves.

LT Barclay

(3,202 posts)
51. I agree but like many, I can't afford to lose my job.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:24 AM
Dec 2024

I’m still advocating for rolling boycotts. Pick a company and bring it to its knees.

paleotn

(22,748 posts)
18. Careful, Witty. (ironic name) Stirring the shit only makes it smell worse.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:06 PM
Dec 2024

Smart thing to do was keep your damn mouth shut, but oh no. The hubris of these people. Just remember, this nation is just as awash with firearms as it was before Thompson was shot. Not advocating anything, so no pearl clutching please. Just merely commenting on the shape of the landscape. And the fact that Witty and his cohorts might want to take heed.

Conjuay

(3,108 posts)
64. Do you need an answer?
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 2024

Where is Congress?
BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY CITIZENS UNITED.
Any other questions?

Beck23

(412 posts)
19. Dr. Oz
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:06 PM
Dec 2024

Wants to force us all onto Medicare 'Advantage' with a payroll deduction paid directly to one of these companies. Oz owns 550k worth of United Healthcare stock.

OMGWTF

(5,221 posts)
24. Pluto just entered Aquarius and the last time that happened both the American and French Revolutions occurred.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:20 PM
Dec 2024

Aaah!

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright
Aah!

You say you'll change the Constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright

Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright
Alright!

Songwriters: Paul Mccartney, John Lennon

soldierant

(9,372 posts)
26. I don't think I'd call the response "gleeful."
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:24 PM
Dec 2024

My word of choice would be "apathetic." No one who did not know him personally seems to have any fucks to give.

Those of us who mourn people he murdered would only be gleeful if they could go back in time and get those loved ones lives saved, and killing an executive won't do that.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,624 posts)
90. Actually Marie Antoinette said "brioche"
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 03:46 PM
Dec 2024

"Let them eat brioche". But just as clueless, so whatever. It's time.

Trust_Reality

(2,296 posts)
34. Quite disturbing indeed!
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:03 PM
Dec 2024

A management professor I heard speak in approximately 1970 suggested that a great place to make money was in the world of medicine because it is a gotcha area - when people need it they need it. I would bet big money he was a Republican. I would bet big money he was a Mormon. Oh, but no doubt he was speaking truthfully.

yellowdogintexas

(23,763 posts)
80. it is terribly disturbing. The worst part is the obscene profits made by the insurance companies
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:02 PM
Dec 2024

This is one of the many reasons to choose Medicare Part B over an "advantage" plan.
Medicare does not turn a profit
Medicare is not administered by an insurance company
Medicare has the lowest cost per claim in the industry
Medicare has the lowest error ratios in the industry
Medicare has the fastest claim turnaround in the industry
Medicare has no networks. Coverage is the same anywhere in the USA
Medicare was intended to be the prototype for a National Health plan

If enough people choose Part B maybe we can slow down this effort to privatize Medicare

Linda ladeewolf

(1,142 posts)
29. I don't know
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:41 PM
Dec 2024

If it will be better, but I switched from UHC to Humana. I hope it will be better. Any opinions on this. It did look better on paper. My husband just had a skin cancer removed and they took pretty good care of him.

DFW

(60,459 posts)
57. My company spun off its dental insurance to Humana
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:41 AM
Dec 2024

I get my dental work done in the USA, so they couldn’t pull the usual evasive BS that United and Blue Cross pull when denying bills from Germany (pretty much 100% denial rate).

Humana was denying 100% of my dental bills until our HR people sent them a “reminder” that we are no longer an outfit with 150 employees, but rather one with nearly a thousand. Suddenly, Humana started reimbursing me for as much as 15% of my dental bills. I guess I am supposed to consider this progress?

Linda ladeewolf

(1,142 posts)
75. So far
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:41 PM
Dec 2024

We only had to pay like $45 dollars total for it, we’re in network though. Neither of us have a regular doctor. I don’t have a particular preference as long as they do the job right. When they start prescribing pills on pills I start to argue, because they honestly don’t seem to even look at the side affects of what they are prescribing. When you start multiplying those affects with the possible affects of other prescriptions you may be taking, it can just be downright dangerous.

Dental wise, I just had to pay out over $7000 for some bone grafts in my gums and the removal of three teeth. Now I must get a custom partial made within the next few months. The actual implant would be more than $5000, which I simply can’t afford. I may be able to get Humana to cover part of the partial. It’s rough when you get old.

We had health insurance when we worked, but couldn’t take time off to use it. Now we are retired and can, but it isn’t as good.

Takket

(23,804 posts)
41. when is the NYT going to post an op-ed from parents who lost their child to cancer because of denied treatment?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:16 PM
Dec 2024

oh that's right... the NYT "op-eds" are only for pushing right wing bullshit.

valleyrogue

(2,795 posts)
54. It's "right-wing bullshit" when grave dancers over Thompson's MURDER get condemned?
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:30 AM
Dec 2024

Last edited Sun Dec 15, 2024, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)

WTF is WRONG with people who condone murder?

Response to valleyrogue (Reply #54)

Mr. Evil

(3,472 posts)
45. They're all ghouls.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:51 PM
Dec 2024

The predominate way they acquire money is to deny coverage to millions of people over the years. They even have meetings and conferences celebrating their dubious 'earnings' as a great success story. It's nothing but a facade. Because beneath it all are the countless thousands every year that end up suffering miserably, usually eventually dying prematurely so the health insurance companies can gloat. They literally sentence people to death so they can take in more and more money.

I don't care what anyone says. They are anathema to everything that is decent, humane and beneficial to society. They don't give a diddly damn if dozens of people are shot at some event or if multiple children are shot dead while attending school. Why should I give two shits if one of those ghouls takes a bullet... or two... or even three? May they get everything they deserve. And it sure as hell isn't more money!

VanceFan

(151 posts)
56. Take aim
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:07 AM
Dec 2024

I'd be happy to see some oligarchs go down. These parasites are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.

RainCaster

(13,892 posts)
71. And he'll expect us to accept his security expenses...
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:02 PM
Dec 2024

Of course that a-hole will write off that expense as a legit cost of doing business. Which begs the question: is violence a legit business response?

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
92. I fully expect a ton of
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 05:17 PM
Dec 2024

Navy Seals, Delta Force, and Green Berets to be resigning and going into the extreme overnight executives protection/security business for ten times the pay they were making in the military......Because it is a business expense, we Tax Payers will indirectly be paying for it.............

Passages

(4,515 posts)
67. If there was any doubt a source of frustration with voters is their lack of faith in
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 11:15 AM
Dec 2024

our norms—one being the NYT—it is perfectly demonstrated by their decision to turn off comments.

This is a new low for the NYT.


The poorly misunderstood UHC:
In roughly 600 words, he also attempted to deflect his insurance network’s responsibility in the growing inequity in America’s health care system, vaguely pointing to a “patchwork” of failures decades in the making while swearing that his corporate network—which reported $22 billion in profits in 2023 alone, nearly three times the figure reported by CVS, the second-most-profitable health insurance company that year—was consistently fighting to “deliver high-quality care and lower costs.”

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
73. "$22 billion in profits in 2023 alone"
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:12 PM
Dec 2024

in other words $22 billion reasons to deny care in 2023 alone

yardwork

(69,648 posts)
69. $22 BILLION in profits in one year?!
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 11:51 AM
Dec 2024

While denying care to millions of people.

Disgraceful.

yardwork

(69,648 posts)
97. A lot of that gross comes directly from tax dollars, for Medicare Advantage.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:14 PM
Dec 2024

What service is UHC providing for the billions in government contracts they're getting? If the U.S. wants to capitate Medicare, why not do it directly through CMS?

Response to yardwork (Reply #69)

Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Passages

(4,515 posts)
74. There's been a lot of whitewashing of insurers' role in the health care system
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 2024

@moetkacik
is having none of it.
We've looked at several whistleblower lawsuits against UnitedHealth. A quid pro quo has emerged: bonuses for doctors in exchange for steering to UHC insurance plan



Martin68

(28,080 posts)
76. The company is just making things worse for themselves in the long run with this kind of denial, obfuscation, and
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 12:53 PM
Dec 2024

misinformation. Health insurance companies are going to have to change their priorities or have them changed by the government. The longer they take, the worse it is going to get for these criminal enterprises.

Old Crank

(7,272 posts)
84. Find someone who was killed by their decisions in a red state
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 2024

Then charge them with murder. Most red states are likely to be death penalty states.

Aussie105

(8,185 posts)
95. Any enterprise that becomes MORE profitable by deliberately being LESS efficient in the product they offer . . .
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:10 PM
Dec 2024

shouldn't be run as a private company.

Way too likely to become profit focussed, and not performance oriented.

This is why health services and health insurance are not run by private companies in other countries.

CEOs of health companies are so deep down their own rabbit holes they can't hear what they are saying whenever they pronounce anything in public.

Shitty_Witty says . . . look at our profits and CEO pay checks. We must be doing a good job!

dflprincess

(29,417 posts)
96. The Minnesota Star Tribune also printed his drivel
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:10 PM
Dec 2024

I noticed quite a few responses, mainly those that mentioned the games the company plays with claims, were removed. I suspect UHG stooges have been going thru them flagging ones they find "offensive".

BannonsLiver

(20,859 posts)
100. I think if my coworker had just been gunned down by someone with a huge beef with the industry.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 2024

I think I’d endeavor to be a little more conciliatory so I don’t end up just like him.

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
102. The discussion should be about who is responsible for the system that we have, and how we ge them to change it.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 07:19 PM
Dec 2024

The companies and the CEOs are only doing what companies and CEO's are expected to do.

Whatever caused the system to use companies and CEOs is what needs to be condemned.
Whatever is causing the system to continue using companies and CEOs is what needs to be addressed.

The anger, IMO, is being misdirected.

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