We are getting new gun laws

[upaloopa]

Gunners deal with it. No one's going to forget those 20 kids like they do every other shooting. This is not going to blow over.
Post all your stats
Answer every statement with your stock questions
Ask everyone to produce links all you want
You are becoming irrelevant in the debate
You are being replaced with the memory of twenty little kids shot today.
How you can spend today promoting you gun bull shit is beyond my comprehension

[villager]

1. They promote their guns while the blood is still wet because their psyches are in "lockdown"

...and have been for years, courtesy of the paranoia that the NRA and other such groups constantly stoke....

[morningfog]

2. They can all suck on their guns. It is time for a change.

[liberalmuse]

3. Their guns and property mean more to them than mere human life.

Go bury them, then. The civilized part of the human race has had enough of your fetish over a device created specifically to snuff out life. Go find something else to worship and fondle. People have the right to walk down the street without being embedded with bullets. People have the right to raise their children instead of losing them to gun-welding, life-hating cowards.

[doc03]

4. Just watching the president this afternoon I would say you

are right, he seemed really pissed off and upset about this bs. I think he will at
least make an attempt to do something this time. This bs if you take guns away only criminals will have them don't wash, the shooter today probably wasn't a criminal until he decided to murder a bunch of people.

[loyalsister]

23. I think he is probably completely torn up

Anytime you see him with kids he shows pure joy. Everyone who has kids is hit hard by this. I say, whatever he can do by executive order do it!

[Whovian]

5. +1000

[Recursion]

6. I think so too

I suspect by 2016 rifles will be treated like handguns, with background checks and strict limits on resale. Even as a 2nd amendment guy, I can get behind that.

[NickB79]

7. That's what we've heard for the past how many years?

And how many shootings? And so far, nothing.

Frankly, I'd be amazed if much of anything got passed in the next few years. The GOP wouldn't allow it in the House, and a lot of Dems in the Senate are from states that require them to strongly support gun owners.

The President, no matter how much he's outraged, can only do so much.

[jimlup]

8. Strongly Agree

Thanks for speaking out!

[Cleita]

9. Time to amend the Second Amendment.

We have done it in the past. Prohibition and then the repeal of prohibition comes to mind. I'm not saying repeal the whole thing, but I think we need to better define what is allowed and what shouldn't be allowed for a more secure society.

[davidn3600]

10. He who gives up liberty for safety will lose both and deserve neither

When you give up freedom for safety...you end up with things like the Patriot Act. We are now less free and no more safe than before.

So go ahead...give up your freedom. Give up your liberty. It won't change anything. It won't make you any more safe.

[Cleita]

11. Really! Since when did a free society include the rights and the means to commit murder? n/t

[davidn3600]

12. Murder and violence has been a reality of civilization well before guns were invented

You can't remove violence from society by passing a law.

[upaloopa]

14. How about we care that twenty kids were shot

with an AR-15.
We don't give up because there is violence we try to do something about our little piece of the world. You know that light just one little candle thing

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. Except they weren't shot with an AR-15.

The rifle was found in the trunk of the murderer's car. The kids were shot with handguns.

[Telly Savalas]

30. That's so right.

It's about time we rid of murder laws, because they're a waste. They can't remove violence.

[upaloopa]

13. Fuck you stock bull shit!

This isn't about your fucking freedom
It's about the killing of innocent children.
I'd feel more secure with out all the guns then your well regulated malitia.
Oh excuse me you leave out that part don't you!

[davidn3600]

15. Tim McVeigh didnt need guns to commit violence

The terrorists on 9/11 used box cutters.

That Colorado cinema shooter had his apartment filled with homemade bombs. If he didnt have guns, he would have thrown explosives in the theater.

Understand that if someone is determined enough to do harm, they will find a way to do it. I assure you they will find a way no matter what the government tries to do.

Look at the serial killer in Norway, Anders Breivik. In a country with some of the tightest gun control laws in the world, he was still able to kill 70+ people.

These people are PSYCHO! They are not going to sit back and say, "Well, the government wont let me buy a gun. So I guess I can't kill those people." No...he'll sit back and figure out another way to do it.

[Arugula Latte]

20. One massacre in Norway vs. dozens and dozens in the U.S.

Are you really too stupid to see the difference?

[upaloopa]

21. People die in car wrecks too but we don't

stop trying to make them safe.

I don't buy into the argument that because we can't fix everything we shouldn't try to fix anything

[davidn3600]

25. My point is that there is no magic pill solution to this

Banning guns will not stop violence. That's the point Im trying to make.

Im not saying to sit back and do nothing. But this problem goes beyond any law that can be passed. It has to do with mental health. It has to do with America's obsession and desensitivity with violence. These are cultural problems that far more complicated to fix.

Passing a gun ban isn't going to stop people who want to do harm. The only way to stop these people is to stop what made them think this way. Many of them are mentally ill and have been for years. Many violent criminals were involved in gangs or grew up around violence, and now stuck in poverty. Things like this are the roots of the problem that no one wants to talk about. Banning guns simply attempts to treat a symptom. But it won't cure the disease.

And statistically according to the FBI, gun violence has been decreasing for years.

[Lex]

18. Liberty does NOT = guns.

Sorry you are wrong.

[Arugula Latte]

19. American freedom is now the freedom to fear being gunned down anywhere, any time.

What a bullshit post. Child murder = "liberty." Sickening. Just go away.

[etherealtruth]

24. Post your idiotic drivel (as it relates to guns) someplace else

The freedom you speak of isn't freedom at all ... your very stance makes you complicit in the slaughter of innocents.

[originalpckelly]

32. Being able to kill someone like this is an illegitimate freedom.

Isn't an act of tyranny to let someone have the ability to hold you hostage, maim you, or kill you with a weapon so bad and so effortless as a gun?

Eat that you POS.

[DainBramaged]

29. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Puke talking point warning

ask the parents of the dead kids about freedom

[originalpckelly]

31. It takes a lot of planning to kill 3,000 people.

It doesn't take a lot of planning to kill 30.

It's also a hell of a lot harder to go nuts and knife to death 30 people in that short of a time period.

If you want to play with a gun like a fuckshit, you can do it in a place with people as equally stupid as you are. Let the gun be kept at the gun range or at a hunting armory out of the city, and make it a crime punishable by death to let an insane person get one.

Have a gun buyback program as was done in areas of Africa after the bloody post-colonial wars. They were administered by the UN and gave people good useful shit in exchange for a gun.

iPhones for guns. That would end it right there.

No massive raids needed.

[hack89]

16. Have you checked with Harry Reid?

I doubt he will risk his NRA endorsement - he wants to be reelected.

I tell you what will happen - just like after VA Tech the NRA will be given a place at the table to ensure that something actually get passed and to give political cover to repukes and blue dog Dems. They will pass a bipartisan measure that tightens up some perceived weakness in the present gun laws. They will not address the AWB. I am willing to bet on it.

[upaloopa]

17. No one is going to be afraid of the NRA after today

[hack89]

22. Reid is not scared of the NRA

his constituents are what concern him - he wants their votes.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. Your desires are noted

But I would not hold my breath waiting...

Already the shooter is being painted as being crackers (as in crazy). Some states with already tight controls might ratchet them up, but I would expect no action at a Federal level or in many states.

[steve2470]

28. I said the exact same thing following Columbine in 1999.

Maybe this is more horrific to the public and times have changed. I certainly hope so.

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. Twenty children are murdered and conservatives complain that they called the gun by the wrong name.

that the gun was stolen
Or claims people are just giving into emotion
Or some other bullshit excuse.

The other side doesn't care if 20 children are murdered.
All that matters is that nothing comes between them and their toys.

The trigger is their bill of rights.

There have been seven mass murders with guns this year, a record.

Anyone who offers bullshit excuses simply doesn't care.

Democrats need to do something or they are part of the problem.