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Cattledog

(6,654 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:21 AM Dec 2024

15 yr old WI school shooter knew how to handle a weapon & her manifesto posted.

The image shows Natalie from the back handling a firearm with protective ear muffs on. A user commented on Jeff Rupnow's post: "Is that kiddo?" to which Jeff Rupnow responded: "sure is!!!! We joined NBSC this spring and we have been loving all every second of it!"

NSBC appears to refer to North Bristol Sportsman's Club, a Wisconsin-based shooting range. Newsweek reached out to the club for comment via email outside of normal working hours.


https://www.newsweek.com/natalie-rupnow-social-media-wisconsin-school-shooting-abundant-life-christian-school-2001924

The X, formerly Twitter, user who posted the manifesto on their account said they had received it from Rupnow's boyfriend. Newsweek has contacted the user for comment via direct message.

The author identified themselves as Samantha Rupnow, according to screenshots posted on X. Police have said Rupnow went by that name.

In the manifesto, called "War Against Humanity," the author writes that they have "grown to hate people, and society" and calls their parents "scum."

The author also writes that they acquired weapons "by lies and manipulation, and my father's stupidity" and describes wanting to die by suicide, but feeling like carrying out a shooting was "better for evolution rather than just one stupid boring suicide."

https://www.newsweek.com/natalie-rupnow-reported-manifesto-what-we-know-2001880

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15 yr old WI school shooter knew how to handle a weapon & her manifesto posted. (Original Post) Cattledog Dec 2024 OP
She has to kill people because a regular suicide would be "too boring"?where does this come from? Walleye Dec 2024 #1
Have you ever been dead? atreides1 Dec 2024 #5
This sounds like her: lastlib Dec 2024 #14
Hope they do an autopsy. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #2
and that the autopsy says.... Escape Dec 2024 #3
It may also say much more. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #44
Would they be able to tell if she was sexually abused Beringia Dec 2024 #47
Possibly. But Madison is hardly a "small" town; they've got about 300k Callie1979 Dec 2024 #48
I lived there myself, and it always seemed small to me Beringia Dec 2024 #49
State capitol as well...much more than just the university JT45242 Dec 2024 #53
Bloomington looks even more rural Beringia Dec 2024 #60
It sounds as if...... SergeStorms Dec 2024 #63
On X AncientOfDays Dec 2024 #70
Oh, so that could be the reason she took her life and was so miserable Beringia Dec 2024 #71
Sounds like another kid daddy decided to buy a gun for. Vinca Dec 2024 #4
Daddy was sure proud of his little Annie Oakley. 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #7
you can bet theres molestion in there some where samnsara Dec 2024 #8
She didn't mention any sexual molestation..... SergeStorms Dec 2024 #64
Parents need to be held responsible. Emile Dec 2024 #15
Agree. Every parent who supplies a gun to a kid should be considered responsible kysrsoze Dec 2024 #51
our well-regulated militia is just humming along LymphocyteLover Dec 2024 #6
What's your problem? Unlike in Ukraine, I don't see any Russians invading Wisconsin. 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #10
What's your problem? intheflow Dec 2024 #11
Did you really need a sarcasm thingy? 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #12
I thought you were referring to the lack of sarcasm emoji intheflow Dec 2024 #13
Actually, you do need the :sarcasm: smilie. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #45
Saul Good, man. 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #68
She sounds depressed, actually Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #9
A therapist would have ordered guns out of the home. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #17
Decent gun laws wouldn't have allowed her unsupervised access in the first place. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #20
We don't have decent gun laws, so therapists have to do it. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #24
I agree. nt LittleGirl Dec 2024 #21
Nature vs Nurture. multigraincracker Dec 2024 #25
I thought she was a square? NT :-) Tickle Dec 2024 #50
a fishing pole is a better option for bonding rampartd Dec 2024 #57
If she was getting therapy for depression, she might have also been given anti-depressants Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #67
So did Luigi Mangione. Kaleva Dec 2024 #16
Lol! I think you may have missed many, many points. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #19
What is the difference? Kaleva Dec 2024 #22
Again, whoosh. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #27
No answer? Kaleva Dec 2024 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #79
Hello. GP6971 Dec 2024 #80
No, it's deliberate. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #29
I know. Odd, though. Twisting things into fantasies that allow one to feel superior is a strange hobby. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #32
Can you give an answer? Kaleva Dec 2024 #35
Can I answer the idiotic strawman question that has been answered a thousand times Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #42
What is your answer ? Do you support using a gun for murder... Kaleva Dec 2024 #61
. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #62
While you may support execution without trial, I do not Kaleva Dec 2024 #72
You're talking to yourself. You have no idea what I support and what I don't support. You seem to need Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #73
I'm not fighting. Just want to know your position. Kaleva Dec 2024 #74
Have a lovely day, Kaleva. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #75
And same to you! Wishing you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas! Kaleva Dec 2024 #76
What is your view on using guns to commit murder? Kaleva Dec 2024 #34
It is too difficult for me to figure out which murders sarisataka Dec 2024 #33
the area known as Bristol is red Tetrachloride Dec 2024 #18
Bristol is in Kenosha County. xmas74 Dec 2024 #30
Exactly Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #36
I grew up in Kenosha County xmas74 Dec 2024 #59
Not if you're from Madison Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #65
town of Bristol is an official designation: Tetrachloride Dec 2024 #41
Theyre discussing the shooting club called xmas74 Dec 2024 #58
Those armed malitias will save us, right? Johonny Dec 2024 #23
What a way to end 2024. Demagogue wins the presidency, AGAIN. Passages Dec 2024 #26
And a 2ed Grader Called in to 911 for Help Oneear Dec 2024 #31
It's good they know how to Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #38
she was obsessed with school shootings... and a man-hater too. WarGamer Dec 2024 #37
See my comment above Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #39
And she had a gun. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #43
Happiness is a warm gun struggle4progress Dec 2024 #40
Teenage depression. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #46
The Veldt Maninacan Dec 2024 #52
Totally called it yesterday. Initech Dec 2024 #54
How many places in Traildogbob Dec 2024 #55
People who threaten to, try to, or succeed to commit suicide don;'t want to die. They don;t want to live. Ping Tung Dec 2024 #56
Here is a comment from one of the school parents Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #66
Here is her picture. Emile Dec 2024 #69
Why did the police rip off the front door and bust windows Emile Dec 2024 #77
Wow, she even called out her dad's stupidity for giving her access to guns. ecstatic Dec 2024 #78

Walleye

(44,720 posts)
1. She has to kill people because a regular suicide would be "too boring"?where does this come from?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:38 AM
Dec 2024

There’s nothing more boring than being dead, girl

Beringia

(5,503 posts)
47. Would they be able to tell if she was sexually abused
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:14 PM
Dec 2024

It would seem that the outcome of possibly her father abusing her would be emotional, and not be able to be discerned physically on an autopsy. I wonder if they would even bother to look for those things too, especially in a small town like Madison, Wisconsin

Callie1979

(1,345 posts)
48. Possibly. But Madison is hardly a "small" town; they've got about 300k
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:19 PM
Dec 2024

I'm thinking more along the lines of drugs or mental disease or something like that.
If she had been abused I would think she'd write about it knowing she was going to die.

Beringia

(5,503 posts)
49. I lived there myself, and it always seemed small to me
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:45 PM
Dec 2024

Mostly rural and lots of nature. A college town though.

JT45242

(4,032 posts)
53. State capitol as well...much more than just the university
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:19 PM
Dec 2024

It does go quickly from suburban to rural.

But not a small town with a big university like Bloomington.

SergeStorms

(20,539 posts)
63. It sounds as if......
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:08 PM
Dec 2024

most, if not all, of the abuse was emotional. Teenagers are extremely susceptible to emotional abuse, both by their peers, and their parents. After reading the so-called "manifesto" I see a very sad, emotionally abused and neglected young girl. It brought tears to my eyes reading it.
It appears she was getting some sort of therapy, but for how long or to what degree, isn't known.
Another young person who has fallen through the cracks and sees nothing but gloom and doom in their future. There's far, far too many of them in our present society. It breaks my heart. 😢

Beringia

(5,503 posts)
71. Oh, so that could be the reason she took her life and was so miserable
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:33 AM
Dec 2024

Also going to a Christian school added to her problems

3Hotdogs

(15,338 posts)
7. Daddy was sure proud of his little Annie Oakley.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:47 AM
Dec 2024

I wonder if he gets charged. He certainly can be sued.

SergeStorms

(20,539 posts)
64. She didn't mention any sexual molestation.....
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:13 PM
Dec 2024

in her "goodbye" post on "X," but that doesn't mean there wasn't. Her torment seems to come mostly from emotional abuse, or maybe a complete lack of parental involvement. She was a very unhappy girl. That much is certain. 😢

kysrsoze

(6,442 posts)
51. Agree. Every parent who supplies a gun to a kid should be considered responsible
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:09 PM
Dec 2024

… and therefore liable if that kid shoots up a school, parade or whatever.

3Hotdogs

(15,338 posts)
10. What's your problem? Unlike in Ukraine, I don't see any Russians invading Wisconsin.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:50 AM
Dec 2024

Our well regulated militia is doing fine.



The rest of us, not so much.

intheflow

(30,167 posts)
11. What's your problem?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:58 AM
Dec 2024

Comment was obviously referring to the gun fetish idiots touting 2A while ignoring the well-regulated part. Why are you talking about Russia invading? (Which they already have, it’s just been bloodless so far because of Trump love.)

intheflow

(30,167 posts)
13. I thought you were referring to the lack of sarcasm emoji
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:13 AM
Dec 2024

in the post you were referring to. My apologies. I’ve said it before and will no doubt say it again: I really shouldn’t post before the coffee’s brewed.

maxsolomon

(38,666 posts)
45. Actually, you do need the :sarcasm: smilie.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:10 PM
Dec 2024

You're so droll that it reads as if you mean it.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,344 posts)
9. She sounds depressed, actually
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:48 AM
Dec 2024

Often that kind of talk from a 15 year old is a symptom of depression. I don't agree at all with daddy buying a gun and taking her shooting, but it sounds like an attempt, misguided though it was, at some daddy-daughter time to "pull her out of it". Therapy would have been a better option, but probably not an option in his mind. It's also possible she was a sociopath, although I don't want to throw words like that around lightly. I'll stick with depression for now.

Irish_Dem

(81,135 posts)
17. A therapist would have ordered guns out of the home.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:01 AM
Dec 2024

If you have a depressed person with guns in the home suicide lethality goes way up.

Irish_Dem

(81,135 posts)
24. We don't have decent gun laws, so therapists have to do it.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:16 AM
Dec 2024

I am a retired mental heath provided who practiced in a state with Duty To Warn and Protect.

For depressed patients with no suicide ideation or history, a talk about the increased lethality for suicide with guns in the home and a recommendation that guns be removed as a precaution.

For an adult with depression, suicidal thoughts or history, a direct request that guns be removed from the home.
A call made to next of kin with my concerns and documented.

For a child with depression, angry, thoughts of suicide, homicide and guns in the home, parents are called immediately to come to the office. It is made clear guns must be removed from home immediately.
Recommendation that child be hospitalized inpatient psych.

If there are direct threats to specific potential victims they are notified.
If there is no proof of guns being removed a call to children services and or police.





multigraincracker

(37,611 posts)
25. Nature vs Nurture.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:26 AM
Dec 2024

I have several friends that have one child and angle and another a devil. Same parents and home.
Go figure.

Attilatheblond

(8,851 posts)
67. If she was getting therapy for depression, she might have also been given anti-depressants
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 06:42 PM
Dec 2024

Those are great for many but not so great for teens and many 20 somethings. Sometimes depression can also depress the impulse to take action. For the younger set, lessening the depression with meds lifts their energy level enough that they decide to take action. Sadly, that does not always end well.

Had a psychologist pal who lost a patient to suicide after the psychologist put the young man on anti-depressants. My pal was devastated to the point that our circle of friends kept one of us with him for several weeks.

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
16. So did Luigi Mangione.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:49 AM
Dec 2024

But it appears his use of a gun to murder has the approval of many.

One isn't going solve school shootings if we have to keep gun laws lax in order to enable the shootings of CEOs

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
22. What is the difference?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:10 AM
Dec 2024

Is the use of a gun to murder people acceptable in some situations and not acceptable in others?

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
28. No answer?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 2024

Do you believe the use of a gun to murder people is acceptable in certain situations?

Response to Kaleva (Reply #28)

Scrivener7

(59,450 posts)
32. I know. Odd, though. Twisting things into fantasies that allow one to feel superior is a strange hobby.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 2024

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
35. Can you give an answer?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:36 AM
Dec 2024

I would think it'd be simple.

I oppose the use of guns to commit murder.

Scrivener7

(59,450 posts)
42. Can I answer the idiotic strawman question that has been answered a thousand times
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:42 PM
Dec 2024

in this last week? Yes. I can. And I have. But some seem to get some weird thrill out of the game of continuing to ask the idiotic strawman question, so there's really no reason to answer it again.

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
61. What is your answer ? Do you support using a gun for murder...
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:25 PM
Dec 2024

in certain situations? Or do you, like me, oppose the use of a gun to commit murder in any situation?

Which is it?

Scrivener7

(59,450 posts)
73. You're talking to yourself. You have no idea what I support and what I don't support. You seem to need
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:32 AM
Dec 2024

to fight this point randomly, wrongly assuming other people's positions so you can insist on your superiority and virtue in places where no one is actually indicating support for any of these killings.

As I said, you have completely missed the point.

It's bizarre. You should stop.

Kaleva

(40,346 posts)
74. I'm not fighting. Just want to know your position.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:54 AM
Dec 2024

One would think that a progressive would , without hesitation, declare they denounce execution without trial under any circumstance.

I denounce it.

I'm hoping you do too.

However, if you support execution without trial under certain circumstances, that is your right.

sarisataka

(22,660 posts)
33. It is too difficult for me to figure out which murders
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:32 AM
Dec 2024

should be supported and cheered and which murders should be condemned. That is why I have chosen to be against all murder.

xmas74

(30,054 posts)
30. Bristol is in Kenosha County.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 2024

It's where they have their Ren Fest.

The North Bristol Sportsmans club listed is in Sun Prairie. It's basically a suburb of Madison.

Two different areas of the state.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,344 posts)
36. Exactly
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 12:57 PM
Dec 2024

I'm very familiar with North Bristol. Used to live there, actually, a LONG time ago. My (unlamented) first husband is buried up there in his second wife's family cemetery.

xmas74

(30,054 posts)
59. I grew up in Kenosha County
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:53 PM
Dec 2024

Most think of Bristol in Kenosha County, not a shooting club.

Passages

(4,097 posts)
26. What a way to end 2024. Demagogue wins the presidency, AGAIN.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:33 AM
Dec 2024

CEO Thompson is murdered in broad daylight by an otherwise highly accomplished young man described by friends as "humble" and believed to be destined for a "bright future."


Teen female shooter writes manifesto describing America's decline, "War Against Humanity."


Second grader calls 911.



Yeah, we're doing just great.

Oneear

(431 posts)
31. And a 2ed Grader Called in to 911 for Help
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:51 AM
Dec 2024

It is good that Children are taught what to do when a Gun is used. Schools need to have Cell Phones to be used Keep Us Safe

Initech

(108,692 posts)
54. Totally called it yesterday.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:32 PM
Dec 2024

I said the shooter would have a manifesto and I was right. It's getting to be a pattern.

Traildogbob

(13,010 posts)
55. How many places in
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:37 PM
Dec 2024

The Jesus school had the 10 Commandments posted? Were they redacted to allow for GQP interpretation?
Thou shalt have all the guns and ammo ye want at any age, and open carry with no training.
God be Blessin MurKKKa and protecting his children.
Are Thou and Ye acceptable pronouns in GQP world?

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
56. People who threaten to, try to, or succeed to commit suicide don;'t want to die. They don;t want to live.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:38 PM
Dec 2024

Life can be tricky, chaotic, threatening, disappointing, difficult, competitive, or all of the above and more.

They are fearful of facing it and taking the bumps in the road that occur.

It's not a matter of reassuring them with platitudes about the beauty life or thinking of others. It's a matter of offering them alternative solutions.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,344 posts)
66. Here is a comment from one of the school parents
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 06:30 PM
Dec 2024

I think it shows understanding and the kind of compassion some of you seem to be a bit lacking. It also demonstrates one reason I loved the people of the church there, even though I ultimately disagreed with some of the theology

Smith said members of the school community believed that the shooter was new to the private school this year.

“You feel compassion for the parent who says, ‘Maybe this will help my child,’” Smith told the [Capital] Times. “I can’t even imagine what they’re feeling.”

Emile

(42,191 posts)
77. Why did the police rip off the front door and bust windows
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:47 AM
Dec 2024

when they searched her home?

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ecstatic

(35,066 posts)
78. Wow, she even called out her dad's stupidity for giving her access to guns.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:52 AM
Dec 2024

It is 2024 and parents are still gifting guns and taking their kids to gun ranges. It is mind-boggling. I'm wondering if he thought it would be safe because she's a girl?!?

To anyone reading this who is in the same boat: Do not do this! You might think they can't access your guns, but they can. They know your passwords, they know where the key is. They know your hiding spots.

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