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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums15 yr old WI school shooter knew how to handle a weapon & her manifesto posted.
NSBC appears to refer to North Bristol Sportsman's Club, a Wisconsin-based shooting range. Newsweek reached out to the club for comment via email outside of normal working hours.
https://www.newsweek.com/natalie-rupnow-social-media-wisconsin-school-shooting-abundant-life-christian-school-2001924
The X, formerly Twitter, user who posted the manifesto on their account said they had received it from Rupnow's boyfriend. Newsweek has contacted the user for comment via direct message.
The author identified themselves as Samantha Rupnow, according to screenshots posted on X. Police have said Rupnow went by that name.
In the manifesto, called "War Against Humanity," the author writes that they have "grown to hate people, and society" and calls their parents "scum."
The author also writes that they acquired weapons "by lies and manipulation, and my father's stupidity" and describes wanting to die by suicide, but feeling like carrying out a shooting was "better for evolution rather than just one stupid boring suicide."
https://www.newsweek.com/natalie-rupnow-reported-manifesto-what-we-know-2001880
Walleye
(44,720 posts)Theres nothing more boring than being dead, girl
atreides1
(16,799 posts)Just curious about what you said about it being boring.
lastlib
(28,197 posts)Callie1979
(1,345 posts)Escape
(460 posts)Cause of death: GUN
Callie1979
(1,345 posts)Beringia
(5,503 posts)It would seem that the outcome of possibly her father abusing her would be emotional, and not be able to be discerned physically on an autopsy. I wonder if they would even bother to look for those things too, especially in a small town like Madison, Wisconsin
Callie1979
(1,345 posts)I'm thinking more along the lines of drugs or mental disease or something like that.
If she had been abused I would think she'd write about it knowing she was going to die.
Beringia
(5,503 posts)Mostly rural and lots of nature. A college town though.
JT45242
(4,032 posts)It does go quickly from suburban to rural.
But not a small town with a big university like Bloomington.
Beringia
(5,503 posts)A pic from Wisconsin I took

SergeStorms
(20,539 posts)most, if not all, of the abuse was emotional. Teenagers are extremely susceptible to emotional abuse, both by their peers, and their parents. After reading the so-called "manifesto" I see a very sad, emotionally abused and neglected young girl. It brought tears to my eyes reading it.
It appears she was getting some sort of therapy, but for how long or to what degree, isn't known.
Another young person who has fallen through the cracks and sees nothing but gloom and doom in their future. There's far, far too many of them in our present society. It breaks my heart. 😢
AncientOfDays
(262 posts)Apparently on X/twitter they are claiming she is/was transgender.
Beringia
(5,503 posts)Also going to a Christian school added to her problems
Vinca
(53,946 posts)3Hotdogs
(15,338 posts)I wonder if he gets charged. He certainly can be sued.
samnsara
(18,767 posts)SergeStorms
(20,539 posts)in her "goodbye" post on "X," but that doesn't mean there wasn't. Her torment seems to come mostly from emotional abuse, or maybe a complete lack of parental involvement. She was a very unhappy girl. That much is certain. 😢
Emile
(42,191 posts)kysrsoze
(6,442 posts)and therefore liable if that kid shoots up a school, parade or whatever.
LymphocyteLover
(9,813 posts)3Hotdogs
(15,338 posts)Our well regulated militia is doing fine.
The rest of us, not so much.
intheflow
(30,167 posts)Comment was obviously referring to the gun fetish idiots touting 2A while ignoring the well-regulated part. Why are you talking about Russia invading? (Which they already have, its just been bloodless so far because of Trump love.)
3Hotdogs
(15,338 posts)intheflow
(30,167 posts)in the post you were referring to. My apologies. Ive said it before and will no doubt say it again: I really shouldnt post before the coffees brewed.
maxsolomon
(38,666 posts)You're so droll that it reads as if you mean it.
3Hotdogs
(15,338 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)Often that kind of talk from a 15 year old is a symptom of depression. I don't agree at all with daddy buying a gun and taking her shooting, but it sounds like an attempt, misguided though it was, at some daddy-daughter time to "pull her out of it". Therapy would have been a better option, but probably not an option in his mind. It's also possible she was a sociopath, although I don't want to throw words like that around lightly. I'll stick with depression for now.
Irish_Dem
(81,135 posts)If you have a depressed person with guns in the home suicide lethality goes way up.
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,135 posts)I am a retired mental heath provided who practiced in a state with Duty To Warn and Protect.
For depressed patients with no suicide ideation or history, a talk about the increased lethality for suicide with guns in the home and a recommendation that guns be removed as a precaution.
For an adult with depression, suicidal thoughts or history, a direct request that guns be removed from the home.
A call made to next of kin with my concerns and documented.
For a child with depression, angry, thoughts of suicide, homicide and guns in the home, parents are called immediately to come to the office. It is made clear guns must be removed from home immediately.
Recommendation that child be hospitalized inpatient psych.
If there are direct threats to specific potential victims they are notified.
If there is no proof of guns being removed a call to children services and or police.
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)multigraincracker
(37,611 posts)I have several friends that have one child and angle and another a devil. Same parents and home.
Go figure.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)rampartd
(4,600 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,851 posts)Those are great for many but not so great for teens and many 20 somethings. Sometimes depression can also depress the impulse to take action. For the younger set, lessening the depression with meds lifts their energy level enough that they decide to take action. Sadly, that does not always end well.
Had a psychologist pal who lost a patient to suicide after the psychologist put the young man on anti-depressants. My pal was devastated to the point that our circle of friends kept one of us with him for several weeks.
Kaleva
(40,346 posts)But it appears his use of a gun to murder has the approval of many.
One isn't going solve school shootings if we have to keep gun laws lax in order to enable the shootings of CEOs
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)Kaleva
(40,346 posts)Is the use of a gun to murder people acceptable in some situations and not acceptable in others?
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)Kaleva
(40,346 posts)Do you believe the use of a gun to murder people is acceptable in certain situations?
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GP6971
(37,983 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)Kaleva
(40,346 posts)I would think it'd be simple.
I oppose the use of guns to commit murder.
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)in this last week? Yes. I can. And I have. But some seem to get some weird thrill out of the game of continuing to ask the idiotic strawman question, so there's really no reason to answer it again.
Kaleva
(40,346 posts)in certain situations? Or do you, like me, oppose the use of a gun to commit murder in any situation?
Which is it?
Kaleva
(40,346 posts)Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)to fight this point randomly, wrongly assuming other people's positions so you can insist on your superiority and virtue in places where no one is actually indicating support for any of these killings.
As I said, you have completely missed the point.
It's bizarre. You should stop.
Kaleva
(40,346 posts)One would think that a progressive would , without hesitation, declare they denounce execution without trial under any circumstance.
I denounce it.
I'm hoping you do too.
However, if you support execution without trial under certain circumstances, that is your right.
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)Kaleva
(40,346 posts)Kaleva
(40,346 posts)sarisataka
(22,660 posts)should be supported and cheered and which murders should be condemned. That is why I have chosen to be against all murder.
Tetrachloride
(9,612 posts)xmas74
(30,054 posts)It's where they have their Ren Fest.
The North Bristol Sportsmans club listed is in Sun Prairie. It's basically a suburb of Madison.
Two different areas of the state.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)I'm very familiar with North Bristol. Used to live there, actually, a LONG time ago. My (unlamented) first husband is buried up there in his second wife's family cemetery.
xmas74
(30,054 posts)Most think of Bristol in Kenosha County, not a shooting club.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)or the Madison area. Sorry about that.
Tetrachloride
(9,612 posts)xmas74
(30,054 posts)North Bristol.
Johonny
(26,119 posts)Passages
(4,097 posts)CEO Thompson is murdered in broad daylight by an otherwise highly accomplished young man described by friends as "humble" and believed to be destined for a "bright future."
Teen female shooter writes manifesto describing America's decline, "War Against Humanity."
Second grader calls 911.
Yeah, we're doing just great.
Oneear
(431 posts)It is good that Children are taught what to do when a Gun is used. Schools need to have Cell Phones to be used Keep Us Safe
Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)It's bad that they have to do it for such as this.
WarGamer
(18,590 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)I think she was extremely troubled and depressed.
Scrivener7
(59,450 posts)struggle4progress
(126,109 posts)maxsolomon
(38,666 posts)No gun, no murder.
Maninacan
(289 posts)Why am i thinking of The Veldt by Bradbury.
Initech
(108,692 posts)I said the shooter would have a manifesto and I was right. It's getting to be a pattern.
Traildogbob
(13,010 posts)The Jesus school had the 10 Commandments posted? Were they redacted to allow for GQP interpretation?
Thou shalt have all the guns and ammo ye want at any age, and open carry with no training.
God be Blessin MurKKKa and protecting his children.
Are Thou and Ye acceptable pronouns in GQP world?
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)Life can be tricky, chaotic, threatening, disappointing, difficult, competitive, or all of the above and more.
They are fearful of facing it and taking the bumps in the road that occur.
It's not a matter of reassuring them with platitudes about the beauty life or thinking of others. It's a matter of offering them alternative solutions.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,344 posts)I think it shows understanding and the kind of compassion some of you seem to be a bit lacking. It also demonstrates one reason I loved the people of the church there, even though I ultimately disagreed with some of the theology
Smith said members of the school community believed that the shooter was new to the private school this year.
You feel compassion for the parent who says, Maybe this will help my child, Smith told the [Capital] Times. I cant even imagine what theyre feeling.
Emile
(42,191 posts)
Emile
(42,191 posts)when they searched her home?
ecstatic
(35,066 posts)It is 2024 and parents are still gifting guns and taking their kids to gun ranges. It is mind-boggling. I'm wondering if he thought it would be safe because she's a girl?!?
To anyone reading this who is in the same boat: Do not do this! You might think they can't access your guns, but they can. They know your passwords, they know where the key is. They know your hiding spots.