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Frasier Balzov

(5,163 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 06:31 PM Dec 2024

Does a veblen good need to have a physical existence?

Is bitcoin a veblen good?

Are bragging rights a veblen good? If I see an unidentified aerial phenomenon have I mined a veblen good?

I never heard the term veblen good before today, and now I want to use it in every conversation.

As though the term itself has become a veblen good in my case.

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Does a veblen good need to have a physical existence? (Original Post) Frasier Balzov Dec 2024 OP
My Veblen feels really good CurtEastPoint Dec 2024 #1
My Veblen is getting.... Oh never mind! 😈😈 madinmaryland Dec 2024 #9
Definition from Wikipedia (I had to look it up) DBoon Dec 2024 #2
I guess esteem might be pressing the monetization requirement too far? Frasier Balzov Dec 2024 #6
I never heard of a Veblen good until today either. Tanuki Dec 2024 #3
NFTs fit (fitted?) the definition a bit better muriel_volestrangler Dec 2024 #4
What on God's Green Earth is a veblen good? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2024 #5
Take a really high end luxury car - Rolls Royce. A lower priced Rolls will not sell. haele Dec 2024 #10
Beanie Babies and Pogs oldfart73 Dec 2024 #7
things I don't piss away money on. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2024 #8

DBoon

(25,259 posts)
2. Definition from Wikipedia (I had to look it up)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 06:47 PM
Dec 2024
A Veblen good is a type of luxury good, named after American economist Thorstein Veblen, for which the demand increases as the price increases, in apparent contradiction of the law of demand, resulting in an upward-sloping demand curve. The higher prices of Veblen goods may make them desirable as a status symbol in the practices of conspicuous consumption and conspicuous leisure. A product may be a Veblen good because it is a positional good, something few others can own.


Bitcoin maybe.

Bragging rights or seeing a UFO, not unless you can sell these, and sell more of them by increasing the price

Frasier Balzov

(5,163 posts)
6. I guess esteem might be pressing the monetization requirement too far?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:20 PM
Dec 2024

"Buster saw one of those drones!"

I, Buster, now find myself suddenly in demand as someone who has become involved in the drone craze.

Bennie observes the value rising for Buster.

Bennie now looks up and sees drones too in order to join in the craze.

It's not just the power of suggestion involved. There's some kind of value attached to it, albeit a sociological one.



Tanuki

(16,569 posts)
3. I never heard of a Veblen good until today either.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 06:55 PM
Dec 2024

It seems to me that the Birkin bag would be a good example.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,822 posts)
4. NFTs fit (fitted?) the definition a bit better
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 2024

since they were (are?) something certain people felt they could brag about owning, with it plain they'd paid for "nothing", apart from the knowledge that no one else had paid for that particular "nothing". And there was more kudos in the cost being higher.

Bitcoin has the use of a hard-to-trace exchange mechanism for tax evasion, buying illegal goods, receiving ransoms and so on. When used like that, it's not for bragging, and people want it to end up as profitable.

(On edit: it seems the present tense is the right one - people are still pushing up the prices of some NFTs. Well, they were, until their "price" halved today.

One day, economists will look back and marvel that people spent their time gambling like this and pretending it was a productive activity.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
5. What on God's Green Earth is a veblen good?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 2024

Yeah, I know it was explained/defined by the time I read this thread, but still.

haele

(15,700 posts)
10. Take a really high end luxury car - Rolls Royce. A lower priced Rolls will not sell.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:52 PM
Dec 2024

The consumer thinks "No way it can be better than a Lexis, so I'd rather buy the Lexus" They "know" what they're getting with the Lexus and won't have to worrying about paying Rolls service costs fixing the all the shortcuts Rolls "must have had to implement to bring the cost down".

Rolls Royce is a velben good. As is Rolex or Cartier. They're niche market goods, intended to be "heirloom" item to last generations and keep it's value as time went on.

Once those brands try to leave their niche and diversify to reach a wider market, they will tend to lose value both within and without their niche because they lose their exclusivity.

Haele


oldfart73

(78 posts)
7. Beanie Babies and Pogs
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:55 PM
Dec 2024

Eager customers/collectors/investors/resellers waiting at at the store for the delivery truck to arrive.

New issues timed for effect.
'Limited' quantity issue of zillions.

Now at the yard sale for a quarter or a dime.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,950 posts)
8. things I don't piss away money on.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:23 PM
Dec 2024

Fad investments/collectibles
Sports betting
Crypto

Things I do:

Skippa, the dog.
Home improvements
some bud, alcohol, and smokes.

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