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XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:53 AM Dec 2024

Anyone else terrified?

I mean I'm getting really terrified what they're going to do to the country and to me. Its really hitting today. I still cannot believe he was put back in office. Bezos it's visiting him in Florida and excited about deregulations. I live on ssdi and need Medicare.

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Anyone else terrified? (Original Post) XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 OP
Yes. Mike 03 Dec 2024 #1
Me too XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #3
Agreed. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #125
He's a grifter. All his followers are grifters. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2024 #2
I'm still scared XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #4
Talk is cheap. And good morning. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2024 #5
They are also incompetent This crowd is 3rd string JV underpants Dec 2024 #6
I really bdamomma Dec 2024 #59
They'll screw up in the end but MadameButterfly Dec 2024 #90
Love state of stupid Dec 2024 #118
Welcome to DU bdamomma Dec 2024 #121
Thanks state of stupid Dec 2024 #131
Love of Money is the root of all evil. nt. druidity33 Dec 2024 #120
In the meantime they'll be eating us. Crunchy Frog Dec 2024 #122
Trumps immigration elements XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #7
Same here. Trying to stay positive but it's hard. DeeDeeNY Dec 2024 #8
I think things XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #9
Too many Republicans rely on social security and Medicare DeeDeeNY Dec 2024 #11
Yeah...that's the hope... bagimin Dec 2024 #25
Ignorance. mobeau69 Dec 2024 #36
Greed and corruption. It happens to many empires. mucifer Dec 2024 #79
Many are Rebl2 Dec 2024 #71
When i saw hegseth was sort of encouraging Tansy_Gold Dec 2024 #15
I tend to agree with you MissB Dec 2024 #20
Yes. Things were worse than I anticipated could happen after 2016. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #127
I was thinking bdamomma Dec 2024 #61
Congress with the slimmest majority in 50 yrs will not be able to get anything done without the Dems PortTack Dec 2024 #132
You mean, because the only wins we'll get is if critical people in the Republican party decide Baitball Blogger Dec 2024 #10
Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 2024 #102
You have every reason to be terrified Pototan Dec 2024 #12
Your last sentence is correct. HUAJIAO Dec 2024 #19
Thankfully, relatively few people watch cable news Kaleva Dec 2024 #30
I feel like I'm sitting on a beach watching a tsunami about to hit. Javaman Dec 2024 #13
Gee nowforever Dec 2024 #14
Stop worryin' about yer fukkin Medicare. Republicans have a health care plan. It was described by Alan Grayson. 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #16
No. They want us to be terrified. GoCubsGo Dec 2024 #17
I wish i could be brave XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #18
The media gaslighting is so enraging Bettie Dec 2024 #37
I feel like that too XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #52
The media not only treat him as normal but put him on a pedestal DeeDeeNY Dec 2024 #82
Agreed. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #129
Be strong and of good courage, be not afraid, neither be dismayed. mobeau69 Dec 2024 #41
Maybe stop watching the news? GoCubsGo Dec 2024 #46
Ty makes me feel better XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #53
Thank you for bdamomma Dec 2024 #62
Randi can be a bit much for me at times. GoCubsGo Dec 2024 #72
thanks for mentioning bdamomma Dec 2024 #73
Please stop watching the news. Silver Gaia Dec 2024 #93
Ty XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #94
Back to you Silver Gaia Dec 2024 #97
Do you live in a blue or red state? ancianita Dec 2024 #136
I feel we lucked out on the 1st term. Well bronxiteforever Dec 2024 #21
In really scared XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #22
I've been feeling a little better this week. multigraincracker Dec 2024 #23
Absolutely. infullview Dec 2024 #24
How can they invoke to stop this? XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #77
Trump was caught red handed with top secret documents infullview Dec 2024 #83
No. MangoMoose Dec 2024 #26
Yes, and I wrote about it in my hand made Xmas cards today. BigmanPigman Dec 2024 #27
I sometimes think that too XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #50
Just this to bdamomma Dec 2024 #63
Thank you! BigmanPigman Dec 2024 #106
As the shit runs downhill, I'll act with the folks who are resisting. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #28
Love Mark Twain Doodles Dec 2024 #75
Yes, all we can do is what we can. I also love Mark Twain. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #78
Here's a way to look at it that will calm you down bif Dec 2024 #29
That was before the Congress, courts including the Supreme Court were bought and paid for. TNNurse Dec 2024 #32
They've controlled all three branches of gvt. before and we survived. bif Dec 2024 #34
No, these people have not controlled things before. Moderate Republicans (compared to these) controlled it. SharonAnn Dec 2024 #117
I too worry about the checks and balances. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #135
the reality is Skittles Dec 2024 #111
DJT Does not support making any changes to SSA & Medicare Jacson6 Dec 2024 #31
??? Skittles Dec 2024 #112
What about FDIC? What about the government shutdown that DJT is trying to force? RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #128
I found this quote that sums up my feelings mgardener Dec 2024 #33
Murder in the Cathedral TS Elliot duhneece Dec 2024 #40
Yes. mnhtnbb Dec 2024 #43
I'm nursing her newest, listening to half, then starting from the beginning duhneece Dec 2024 #70
No spoilers from me! mnhtnbb Dec 2024 #101
Yes, disgusted and terrified. Bluethroughu Dec 2024 #35
They won't come for your SS and Medicare. Demobrat Dec 2024 #38
I am worried but what is worse is Jarqui Dec 2024 #39
That's what all the religious nuts have been praying for, their apocalypse Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #42
I think you will be ok Beck23 Dec 2024 #44
Yes, I'm petrified. I'm living on social security and so scared what could happen with him in charge of everything. TommieMommy Dec 2024 #45
Nope kairos12 Dec 2024 #47
No. obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2024 #48
No! LW1977 Dec 2024 #49
YES. 5 years from retirement and money in a 401K that I can't take out. CousinIT Dec 2024 #51
He's probably not going to fuck with people's investments AdamGG Dec 2024 #95
Democratic and MASSIVE citizen pushback will be ESSENTIAL in protecting social security CousinIT Dec 2024 #96
Definitely, but since we're the minority party in Congress AdamGG Dec 2024 #98
So much on the list of possibilities. Aaargh! yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #137
Terrified? No... Extremely angry? Yes. Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #54
Worried about not being able to get medical coverage once Cobra expires, yep. Freethinker65 Dec 2024 #55
I'm fine with them suffering XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #56
Oh. I am fine with it too. Freethinker65 Dec 2024 #58
hmm.... bdamomma Dec 2024 #65
Do their worst XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #66
yep, he is TommyT139 Dec 2024 #91
I am confused. Littlered Dec 2024 #108
I am on my husband's Cobra policy. He retired and went to Medicare. I am just turning 60. Freethinker65 Dec 2024 #139
Ah, that makes sense now. Littlered Dec 2024 #140
That's how the regime bdamomma Dec 2024 #57
I'm terrified at the number of people who don't know how the county started with tariffs !!! The Boston tea part was ... uponit7771 Dec 2024 #60
the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party bdamomma Dec 2024 #68
Of Course I am! BBbats Dec 2024 #64
Of course - for me it is healthcare. TBF Dec 2024 #67
Nah, I won't give them the satisfaction. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2024 #69
Children fear the darkness WokeAintWhatIAm Dec 2024 #74
I'm concerned but not terrified. Ocelot II Dec 2024 #76
Nope. He can't do everything through EOs and they have very slim majorities in the House and Senate. beaglelover Dec 2024 #80
Ty XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #81
I got some encouragement Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #84
My feeling is... Mike Nelson Dec 2024 #85
We can hope justice will prevail pfitz59 Dec 2024 #86
Get tighter and down size! sunflowerseed Dec 2024 #87
Glad I've got Afordable Care Act...Obamacare is a disaster and my new president will replace it.. Pesky1 Dec 2024 #88
The Impossible Dream struggle4progress Dec 2024 #89
Ty XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #92
Not watching MSNBC has helped my mentsl health. kimbutgar Dec 2024 #99
He won't change Medicare. It is far too popular on both sides of the aisle. Martin68 Dec 2024 #100
Repukes try to make it shittier every year wolfie001 Dec 2024 #103
Correct..Repubs have tried to shitcan Medicare whathehell Dec 2024 #107
Yes the closer it gets to the psychos taking over I feel more anxious Meowmee Dec 2024 #104
Concerned. Depressed. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #105
I'm right there with you XanaDUer2, JMCKUSICK Dec 2024 #109
Nah. I'd never let them have that kind of power over me. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #110
That power is over many. Codifer Dec 2024 #114
Every day liberalmediaaddict Dec 2024 #113
No. Terrified of another worldwide pandemic? Yes. Noel Kums Dec 2024 #115
NO nt Raine Dec 2024 #116
I'm mostly numb. In a holding pattern. Nt Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #119
I wonder if those millions who voted for Biden in 2020 but refused to vote for Harris this year are regretting their elocs Dec 2024 #123
Anyone who isn't terrfified isn't paying attention. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #124
Yes, terrified, and then some. RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #126
I just feel numb. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #130
A Vichy government should be terrified of us. Sneederbunk Dec 2024 #133
Yes cate94 Dec 2024 #134
This won't end well for them. Klarkashton Dec 2024 #138

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
1. Yes.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:59 AM
Dec 2024

Instead of "recovering" and feeling "stronger and more resilient" and "ready to fight, fight, fight" (or sacrifice my life for the Constitution, as Dean Obeidallah seemed to suggest we should be prepared to do on his radio program last night) as time has gone by, I actually feel worse than I did on November 6.

yellow dahlia

(5,866 posts)
125. Agreed.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:12 PM
Dec 2024

I'm tired of the normalizing rhetoric. It will be okay. Chin up. Stay in the fight.

What fight? We are preparing for a takeover.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,838 posts)
2. He's a grifter. All his followers are grifters.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:00 AM
Dec 2024

They’ll turn on each other the first chance they get.

The survivors will turn to the next available test to suck on.

It!s all they know.

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
4. I'm still scared
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:02 AM
Dec 2024

They can do a lot of damage whether they turn on each other or not. Maybe more damage

underpants

(196,490 posts)
6. They are also incompetent This crowd is 3rd string JV
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:15 AM
Dec 2024

You are right, they will turn on themselves. They invited in a wolf in sheep’s clothing in Elon too. He is smart (as much as he screws up) and will instigate fights like Trump himself has no idea. Another analogy is that Trump brought a shark IN TO the boat.

I trust in the rank and file to keep things running. We just have to hope Tulsi doesn’t get her appointment (my main concern) but if she does I trust in her being overwhelmed.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
59. I really
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 2024

think that those billionaires and millionaires will be eating their own. I can't wait to see that.

What's the saying Money is the root of all evil???

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
90. They'll screw up in the end but
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:59 PM
Dec 2024

they will have to do a lot of damage for the brain-dead voters to understand we need to make a change. If there aren't enough Republicans financially ruined by Trump we'll never get rid of him. Unfortunately, blameless Democrats will get caught in the net.

state of stupid

(148 posts)
118. Love
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:08 PM
Dec 2024

While I am an agnostic, I have read the book the way I heard a preacher suggest on the radio a
very long time ago which is how I became an agnostic. It is the love of money that is the root of
all evil. You cannot serve two Masters. If you love one, you will hate the other.

state of stupid

(148 posts)
131. Thanks
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:25 PM
Dec 2024

I do not post often because most of the time there are just so many people far more informed than I
am however at 70 i still love learning new things. The day I stop learning is the day I need to move on
to the next state of being. Whether it is a new state of being or nothing.

DeeDeeNY

(3,953 posts)
8. Same here. Trying to stay positive but it's hard.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:31 AM
Dec 2024

And Dems won't have control in either the House or Senate. Pray that no Supreme Court justices die in the next four years.

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
9. I think things
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:32 AM
Dec 2024

Are going to be a nightmare. Worse than our imaginations. I finally realized this morning.

DeeDeeNY

(3,953 posts)
11. Too many Republicans rely on social security and Medicare
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:44 AM
Dec 2024

for anything to happen to them. It will be a nightmare, but remember also they are incompetent idiots.

bagimin

(1,703 posts)
25. Yeah...that's the hope...
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:39 AM
Dec 2024

but it's a mighty fragile thread. Take away our meager SS and it's reverse mortgage time.
We don't want to go through that at our age and in poor health. I'm so fucking depressed I don't know if I can face tomorrow. How has a formally great nation, the beacon of democracy, come to this?

Tansy_Gold

(18,167 posts)
15. When i saw hegseth was sort of encouraging
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:06 AM
Dec 2024

Or at least anticipating civil war, I knew my worst fears were justified.

MissB

(16,344 posts)
20. I tend to agree with you
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:20 AM
Dec 2024

I don’t want to go 100% doom and gloom but I’m slowly approaching..

You know, it doesn’t help that my current favorite genre is post apocalyptic fiction.

At any rate, I hope it isn’t as bad as we imagine it will be.

In the meantime, I’m hoping that DU remains a good place to meet and chat.

yellow dahlia

(5,866 posts)
127. Yes. Things were worse than I anticipated could happen after 2016.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:16 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Thu Dec 19, 2024, 01:28 AM - Edit history (1)

There is no ceiling for worst case scenarios.

Last time we got Covid.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
61. I was thinking
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:51 AM
Dec 2024

that same thing about the SC, I can see the felon appointing Aileen Cannon.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
132. Congress with the slimmest majority in 50 yrs will not be able to get anything done without the Dems
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:26 PM
Dec 2024

So, yeah they can say they have the majority but it’s really meaningless

Baitball Blogger

(52,341 posts)
10. You mean, because the only wins we'll get is if critical people in the Republican party decide
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:43 AM
Dec 2024

to grow a conscience and remember the concept of fair play and stop playing this scorched American earth game they have been playing? Maybe even realize that nothing will ever be normal again if they continue their Banana Republican Occupation methods that would never stand if we had a balanced Supreme Court?

Why, what is there to be terrified about?

Pototan

(3,129 posts)
12. You have every reason to be terrified
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:46 AM
Dec 2024

Every cable station is somewhere between 60% (MSNBC) and 100% (Fox) Pro-Trump messaging.

It really feels as though the foundation of an Authoritarian Government is being laid.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
30. Thankfully, relatively few people watch cable news
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:54 AM
Dec 2024

If you look at their ratings, about 5% of adults watch cable news

Javaman

(65,705 posts)
13. I feel like I'm sitting on a beach watching a tsunami about to hit.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:51 AM
Dec 2024

and there is no place to run or hide.

1 month left in our democracy.

 

nowforever

(586 posts)
14. Gee
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:58 AM
Dec 2024

What could go wrong. You put an insane idiot in charge of everything and he is surrounding himself with greedy sycophantic souls. If worldwide civilization isn't collapsed by this time next year we will certainly be on the verge of it. Greed wins humans lose, but the living planet earth will breath a sigh of relief. The fabric that is this universe always smooths out the wrinkles...always

3Hotdogs

(15,362 posts)
16. Stop worryin' about yer fukkin Medicare. Republicans have a health care plan. It was described by Alan Grayson.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:11 AM
Dec 2024

It has two parts:

1. Don't get sick.

2. If you do get sick, die quick.

GoCubsGo

(34,909 posts)
17. No. They want us to be terrified.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:12 AM
Dec 2024

Not giving that to them. They're a bunch of fucking bullies. Fuck them.

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
18. I wish i could be brave
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:16 AM
Dec 2024

But i feel more scared than after the election. The news is breathlessly reporting on him and super powerful ppl r amassing and i feel they're going to hurt me

Bettie

(19,702 posts)
37. The media gaslighting is so enraging
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:14 AM
Dec 2024

they are acting like he's normal, like all of this is normal, as if our government is supposed to be composed of rapists and grifters.

DeeDeeNY

(3,953 posts)
82. The media not only treat him as normal but put him on a pedestal
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:26 PM
Dec 2024

Thinking of howABC cowered to him. They not only gave him $15 million and an apology to avoid his lawsuit that he could never have won, but their CEO then traveled down to Mar-A-Lago to pay homage. It really is a living nightmare.

GoCubsGo

(34,909 posts)
46. Maybe stop watching the news?
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:10 AM
Dec 2024

They're the main vehicle for all of the fear-mongering. Lots of good liberals out there who are painting a more accurate picture of things. Like Bob Cesca, Cliff Schecter, Hal Sparks, Stephanie Miller and many of her guests... Randi Rhodes is also a pretty good source of news. Yes, we are in for some dark days, but I'm far from convinced that these fascists as all-powerful as they want us all to believe they are.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
62. Thank you for
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:56 AM
Dec 2024

mentioning Randi. She is one of my go to people to listen too. Also Dr. Mary Trump and her Nerd Avengers. Danielle Moodie is great too. Check her out.

Another thing to do is to go to your Drs. to receive any sort of inoculations.

GoCubsGo

(34,909 posts)
72. Randi can be a bit much for me at times.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:34 PM
Dec 2024

She'll occasionally slip into "OMG!!! Everything is awful! Doom! Gloom!" mode. But, I have been listening to her since the GW Bush Error, so I she'll buck it up in the end. Her "homework" section on her web page is a goldmine, too.

Malcolm Nance's substack is HIGHLY recommended. He has excellent advice for the resistance.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
73. thanks for mentioning
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:37 PM
Dec 2024

Malcolm Nance.

I've been listening to Randi since Air America days.

Silver Gaia

(5,361 posts)
93. Please stop watching the news.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 03:03 PM
Dec 2024

If you must, I advise just watching Lawrence O'Donnell. He won't scare you half to death.

Being this afraid right now is only hurting you. You are aware. Let it be at that. Leave the fear for when it is warranted, if that comes. But right now, fear is sapping your strength. Don't let them do that to you. Fear will only leave you unable to think clearly when that is exactly what you will need to be able to do no matter what they do or don't do.

If I let myelf go there, I would be terrified, too. Every single one of the cuts they have mentioned would affect me. But I'm not going to let fear control me. That is what they hope for. We need to remain clear-headed.

So, please, stop listening to the news. Just read DU, and if you haven't, join Bluesky and read there. Find your way to hope, not fear. Please.

bronxiteforever

(11,212 posts)
21. I feel we lucked out on the 1st term. Well
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:21 AM
Dec 2024

except for the Covid deaths! But foreign policy problems were at a minimum considering who was POTUS.
This time we will not be so “lucky”. The world is a powder keg and he will alienate allies and befriend our enemies. I also think he will blow up the economy so I am really hunkering down about Jan 1 on our spending.

I am just as terrified as you.

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
22. In really scared
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:23 AM
Dec 2024

Not just food prices but every thing you've mentioned. I'm wrrd abt rich ppl taking away my earned benefits. I can't believe this is happening.

multigraincracker

(37,651 posts)
23. I've been feeling a little better this week.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:26 AM
Dec 2024

Getting out of the house more and reading more. Got a refill on my anxiety meds. Just taking half a pill and not every day. I can’t change the world, so just doing my best at trying to be nice.
Good luck.

infullview

(1,128 posts)
24. Absolutely.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:30 AM
Dec 2024

I've even had nightmares. We will no longer be a democracy; our current administration could easily invoke the power to stop all of this, but won't. Climate change and science denial will doom the future of this planet.

infullview

(1,128 posts)
83. Trump was caught red handed with top secret documents
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:33 PM
Dec 2024

He also had a history of money laundering for Russia. The CIA/FBI knew he was an asset. He has so many unsavory Russian connections it’s hard to keep track.

Invoke the insurrection act (just as tRump would have) then impose Martial law, nullify the election, then root out all the rot in our government. Biden has the power to do this, but he won’t.

 

MangoMoose

(11 posts)
26. No.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:39 AM
Dec 2024

They are couting on you to be afraid. Don't be. Our families fought the fascists and won and these cheap suit MAGAts will not win. We will. They won by the smallest margin ever, 1%.

Don;t be afraid, they will not win!

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
27. Yes, and I wrote about it in my hand made Xmas cards today.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:45 AM
Dec 2024

I remade my original Xmas card from 2016 when I drew the Grinch standing behind a large fruitcake, on the inside is Grinch tRump, big and green, looking down from tRump tower with his hand on a red button. It says The Grinch + fruitcake equals tRump's cabinet of assorted nuts. Also I wrote "Deja Vu 2016/24 and Good Luck in 2025, we'll need it! Happy festivus to the rest of us".

I am terrified and I have physical proof....I am down to 84 pounds from the stress knowing I will lose my ACA with subsidies and will probably die fairly quickly as a result. Oh well, I think death would be a step up from this shit hole we are suffering through every single day. I really, really hope I do not get reincarnated, ever. One time on this shitty planet is one time too much for me, thank you very much.

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
50. I sometimes think that too
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:20 AM
Dec 2024

I understand your terror about aca. I was lucky enough to get it free 6 months waiting for Medicare. Now I'm worried they'll take my Medicare. Sometimes i think maybe being dead will be better than this. I feel like a nightmare is coming and only half of us realize it.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
28. As the shit runs downhill, I'll act with the folks who are resisting.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:51 AM
Dec 2024

I try to remember: I can only live in the here and now. Right here right now, I’m ok. Check in as needed.
Move a muscle, change a thought.
Get together with some people who like to laugh, and have some laughs.
Walk, if possible.
—Me

“I've lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened.”

― Mark Twain

Doodles

(137 posts)
75. Love Mark Twain
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:03 PM
Dec 2024

I’m terrified too but will try to keep that quote in mind. Love Twain and had to write it down so I keep it with me as a reminder to help navigate this horror of T.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
78. Yes, all we can do is what we can. I also love Mark Twain.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:16 PM
Dec 2024

Just recently finished listening to his autobiography. It was very long and truly fascinating.

bif

(26,993 posts)
29. Here's a way to look at it that will calm you down
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:52 AM
Dec 2024

We've been through some really shitty administrations before. Like Reagan and Bush. But you have to remember, we still have a system of checks and balances. The Orange Turd, AKA The Rapist may think he's going to be a dictator, but the framers of the constitution anticipated that possibility. Ain't gonna happen. He may fuck things up, but nothing he can do can't be undone. Also remember, he doesn't have a mandate. He just barely got over 1/2 the votes.

TNNurse

(7,540 posts)
32. That was before the Congress, courts including the Supreme Court were bought and paid for.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:04 AM
Dec 2024

I do not share your confidence.

SharonAnn

(14,172 posts)
117. No, these people have not controlled things before. Moderate Republicans (compared to these) controlled it.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:02 PM
Dec 2024

Skittles

(171,704 posts)
111. the reality is
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:14 PM
Dec 2024

they have it all and unlike last time, there's no one to rein Trump in - he will be surrounded by goose stepping boot lickers

they have made the Supreme Court an extension of the GOP, and the media is OBEYING IN ADVANCE

all bets are OFF

Jacson6

(2,013 posts)
31. DJT Does not support making any changes to SSA & Medicare
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:01 AM
Dec 2024

He has said it in the past and during the campaign JD Vance said SSA wasn't going to go away because elderly people paid into it all of their lives and they need it. There are all kind of proposals regarding SSA & Medicare, but that is just talk. Unless DJT says anything about them I'm not going to worry about what Rand Paul & his ilk say about the programs.

Skittles

(171,704 posts)
112. ???
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 2024

do you really think DJT will be in charge? Besides the fact he is a CHRONIC LIAR.

RandomNumbers

(19,156 posts)
128. What about FDIC? What about the government shutdown that DJT is trying to force?
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:18 PM
Dec 2024

SSA and Medicare are only small pieces of the puzzle. VERY important pieces, but small in comparison to the whole puzzle.

mgardener

(2,360 posts)
33. I found this quote that sums up my feelings
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:05 AM
Dec 2024

Some malady is coming upon us. We wait, we wait.
T. S. Elliott

duhneece

(4,510 posts)
40. Murder in the Cathedral TS Elliot
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:21 AM
Dec 2024

Have you read any Louise Penny’s books? Current one refers to that quote often.

mnhtnbb

(33,344 posts)
43. Yes.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:48 AM
Dec 2024

Her mysteries are what my 8th grade English teacher would have called 'good stuff'.
I have Hillary to thank for introducing me to Louise Penny's writing via the book they co-authored. Just finished her current one a couple of weeks ago, thanks to my public library.


duhneece

(4,510 posts)
70. I'm nursing her newest, listening to half, then starting from the beginning
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:22 PM
Dec 2024

….it’s my second favorite therapy for these times of trials and tribulations. Dance/Zumba/Cardio to music is my number one therapy.
I’m up and down, absolutely gutted for a few days, then doing things to connect with people here and feeling hope from my DU family and others who lift me up and dance etc. classes.
I love that Louise partnered with Hillary. There is something so satisfying about that.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
35. Yes, disgusted and terrified.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:11 AM
Dec 2024

They will put us into a great depression, so they take everything from everyone and take our treasury in the name of effiency.

Just talking as they are, they should be arrested for treason. It's the we are going to do everything, try and stop us....great job maga idiots.

Demobrat

(10,299 posts)
38. They won't come for your SS and Medicare.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 2024

It’s the oblivious younger “both parties are the same “ people who will wake up one morning and realize they will have to work until they die.

Jarqui

(10,908 posts)
39. I am worried but what is worse is
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:18 AM
Dec 2024

there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.

There does not seem to be a meaningful way to fight back that will accomplish anything any time soon.
I think that is rooted in the collapse of the media.

I'd like to fight back but every punch I try to throw hits air.

The other thing that bothers me is I do not think people realize how much trouble they're in.
Without reliable media, there is no way to warn them - a key part of the reason the election was lost.
Musk muzzled my tweets on X.

The Titanic is sinking. There are not enough lifeboats. And there is nothing I can do about it except watch in horror.
I'm getting to a point where I can't look anymore.

Clouds Passing

(7,928 posts)
42. That's what all the religious nuts have been praying for, their apocalypse
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:25 AM
Dec 2024

I have former friends who were in glee about the coming of the apocalypse and all its violence because they believe their savior is coming. When their savior becomes their slayer, I wonder how they’re going feel about it then. That is what the leaders are preparing for in the middle east..

It is very sick and twisted that these people worship death instead of worshiping life. They would hang their savior on a cross for preaching life instead of death.

We are here in life now. Now is all we have. Now is life. Worship life. The belief in life will carry you through these dark times coming.

Beck23

(411 posts)
44. I think you will be ok
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 2024

It's the younger people who will be screwed. Especially if Dr. Oz forces them to have a paycheck deduction of 10 to 20% paying a private Medicare 'Advantage' company instead of going into the Meficare Trust Fund. What if the company getting the deduction goes out of business before you retire? Where does your money go?

Think about that. The SS deduction is 6.2%. Some states have taxes of 6%. Add that to a 10% deduction for Medicare Advantage and Federal taxes. If you make between 47k and 100k you federal tax will be 22%. 22+10+6+6.2=44.2% Subtract 44.2% from 100% and you will take home only about 55.8% of your salary. I think my math is right, but it's pretty close.

TommieMommy

(2,900 posts)
45. Yes, I'm petrified. I'm living on social security and so scared what could happen with him in charge of everything.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:09 AM
Dec 2024

The people around him he's putting in charge are horrible. I feel so sorry for the younger generations trying to survive with kids living paycheck to paycheck. I pray we all survive this.

AdamGG

(1,882 posts)
95. He's probably not going to fuck with people's investments
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 03:35 PM
Dec 2024

So, I'd guess that your 401K is safe and you wouldn't want to pay a penalty for taking it out early. I'm 60 myself and think it's likely that he's going to destroy my ACA Marketplace plan that I need for the next 5 years. And, probably Medicare and Social Security will be damaged.

On a meta level, I'm more apprehensive about our intelligence services being completely compromised to Putin, the dismantling of NATO, the dismantling of the EPA, media's compliance to pressure and minimizing critical coverage, 4 years of judicial appointments that will change the landscape, disinformation from government agences which orchestrated with right wing social media will make a large segment of the country even more impervious to reality, the gaming of democratic processes to make it more difficult for the right's candidates to lose in the future.

Compared to Dump's first term, from day one there will be a vastly more organized and preplanned assault on dismantling the government and privatizing its functions. Peter Thiel and their cohort of billionaires put a lot of thought into the Project 2025 blueprint and Trump's impulsiveness will likely play less of a role this time around. There won't be any "normies" in his administration to check him now.

Hopefully, there will be a few Republican Senators willing to push back on things like privatizing the post office and ending ACA, but although I will do what I can to help push back, it's hard not to think that the outlook is bleak right now.

CousinIT

(12,533 posts)
96. Democratic and MASSIVE citizen pushback will be ESSENTIAL in protecting social security
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 03:56 PM
Dec 2024

and Medicare.

BE READY.

AdamGG

(1,882 posts)
98. Definitely, but since we're the minority party in Congress
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 04:14 PM
Dec 2024

we're going to need some Republican help. Susan Collins is running for re-election in 2026, so she needs to be publicly pressured and we need to pick up a few others.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
55. Worried about not being able to get medical coverage once Cobra expires, yep.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:41 AM
Dec 2024

I am lucky to be retired and financially ok tho. If the U.S. dollar becomes obsolete and markets substantially tank, I will still be better off than many. Living in a solid Blue State should give me a bit more time if authoritarianism really takes over.

The only real hope is if/when Trump/Musk follow through on their threats, poorer MAGA voters will begin to suffer as well and might just not vote next time (many will never vote for a Democratic alternative candidate to help them as they have been conditioned to have a visceral hatred towards Democrats).

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
58. Oh. I am fine with it too.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 2024

Honestly I am tired propping up those that vote against their, and the country's, best interest. The problem is the damage that could be done this time, with a threatened feckless Congress, an agenda driven SCOTUS, and threatened appeasing media/journalists could be devastating.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
65. hmm....
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:09 PM
Dec 2024

those who voted for him may be the very ones to retaliate on their cult felon leader.

TommyT139

(2,357 posts)
91. yep, he is
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 02:48 PM
Dec 2024

Maybe this thought can be a comfort - however bad things get for us who are vulnerable, we still aren't trapped inside the lives of people who are so out of touch with reality that they need to sue a pollster.

Every silver lining we can find, no matter how thin, is a successful act of resistance.

 

Littlered

(347 posts)
108. I am confused.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 06:53 PM
Dec 2024

Your post doesn’t add up. It’s always been my understanding that cobra benefits were for those terminated. I’ve never been able to afford it. My best and only option, was to get re-employed pdq.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
139. I am on my husband's Cobra policy. He retired and went to Medicare. I am just turning 60.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:09 AM
Dec 2024

I had hoped to buy coverage from the ACA when Cobra expires (30 months from when my husband was Medicare eligible) to get me to when I am Medicare eligible. I have chronic immune issues (pre-existing conditions with increased risks for future health problems) for which I have been taking only one Rx (approx 1K/month without insurance) for past 15 years.

As I said, I am lucky (through over 30 years of frugality, saving, and investing) to have enough savings to pay for ACA coverage with no subsidies (could even be a bit less than what I currently pay for pretty good Cobra policy -I wanted continuous care with known insurance as long as possible) until I get on Medicare (which my husband in on and we already pay for). I had even worked enough part time hours to buy into my employers lesser coverage insurance plan, but chose to continue with the Cobra policy.

I will not be working after age 60 (a few months away). I want to be able to enjoy retirement with my husband while we are both moderately active.

I am extremely worried for my country about the damage a Musk/Trump Presidency will cause. I worry about minorities, women of child bearing age, our education system, the environment, consumer protections, etc. during the next 4 plus years. Inflation would hit me, but not as hard as some. For me personally I get especially nervous about access to continued comprehensive medical insurance.

 

Littlered

(347 posts)
140. Ah, that makes sense now.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:41 AM
Dec 2024

Thanks for taking the time to clear that up for me. Healthcare is paramount as far as I am concerned, it’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when we will need it. I wonder if anyone taken the time to see what President Musk’s companies do/offer regarding healthcare. I would imagine that mindset will follow him into his presidency.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
57. That's how the regime
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:46 AM
Dec 2024

wants us to feel, but I think there are many of us who will rise up. A general strike could do it, instead of other alternatives.

The felon is on his revenge tour. He thinks he is making "friends" as he said, but the way I see it, he is making more enemies. Just my opinion.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
60. I'm terrified at the number of people who don't know how the county started with tariffs !!! The Boston tea part was ...
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 2024

.. tariffs on tea and sugar !!

How the hell didn't people know those were inflationary towards Americans ??!!?

BBbats

(309 posts)
64. Of Course I am!
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:07 PM
Dec 2024

Having to figure out how to make a full time living at the age of 71 if my Medicare & SS is stripped from me isn't exactly something I wanted to face.
I work part-time now & if we can hit by a recession with tariffs & all that could be finished.

TBF

(36,665 posts)
67. Of course - for me it is healthcare.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM
Dec 2024

My husband and I both worked hard (we grew up in modest families) - and we have been successful by the "American Dream" standard. We had a little help with college (he had a modest account from family, I had GI bill). We then started working and have raised our children, one a college graduate and the other getting his acceptances now for next year. We own our home in the suburbs and take vacations. That was normal in the 1950s, but not so normal now, as we all know. All sound great, right? Here's where the "but" comes in. I have rheumatoid arthritis. We pay thousands in healthcare premiums each year for mediocre coverage (before we even get to the deductibles and co-pays). It is decent but not great coverage (yes, it's UHC). I am really worried what this bunch of scoundrels coming into Washington will do to further destroy any of the coverage we have, much less the social security that we've been paying in for years (we are in our 50s so that is not directly relevant yet, but I know they're going to try to privatize it so they can steal it). I am not at all happy about the outcome of this election.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,988 posts)
69. Nah, I won't give them the satisfaction.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:17 PM
Dec 2024

I’m angry, like really angry but not at the incoming administration, they told us exactly what they were going to do. They’re just sharks being sharks.

I’m super pissed at the idiots who voted for this. They’re ultimately the ones responsible for the misery about to be bestowed on the country and the world.

They’re the ones to blame.

WokeAintWhatIAm

(34 posts)
74. Children fear the darkness
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:56 PM
Dec 2024

Children fear the dark because of what it seems to be.
It seems to be mysterious and full of the unknown. Full of all the monsters in one's imagination.
Horrid, cruel, hideous, and hidden.

The absence of light,
the dulling of sight, the shade falling,
fear. Fear.

It is fear which colors the perception, distracts attention,
dims senses and removes thought, reason and clarity because of the ominous demons
who live in the imagination.

For this, we cannot
we cannot...
we must remember ourselves,
our resolve
our friends
our neighbors
whose demons are different,
who blind them - but we can see
as fear only
not the horror that appears to them.
This is our time,
this is our fight,
this is our time
this is our moment to deny the demons power,
and destroy fear in the face of our hopes
and overcome darkness, by being a light for another
and not depart - or disdain, but overcome.
The darkness holds no power,
and we're no longer children looking to see the world
through simple eyes,
but in full-view.
Without any misunderstanding
there is nothing which we must fear,
because we are not alone.

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
76. I'm concerned but not terrified.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:06 PM
Dec 2024

Being terrified causes one to be unable to think clearly, and that's exactly what they want. I am definitely concerned and paying close attention, but I refuse to let them mess up my head with fear. “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert, Dune

beaglelover

(4,466 posts)
80. Nope. He can't do everything through EOs and they have very slim majorities in the House and Senate.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:23 PM
Dec 2024

I would not worry about your SSDI at all. Take a deep breath and relax. Don't stress yourself out with 'what ifs'. It's very bad for your health.

Linda ladeewolf

(1,138 posts)
84. I got some encouragement
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:36 PM
Dec 2024

From Malcom Nance’s newsletter this morning. If you can, sign up for it. He’s is much more knowledgeable than I am, than most of us, I imagine. He was talking about the American resistance we need to build. He knows a lot about history. There are many little annoying things we can do to thwart this administration without calling down troops and retribution on our heads. You’d have to read his newsletter to understand, because I can’t remember all he said, but it made sense.

Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
85. My feeling is...
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:40 PM
Dec 2024

... that they will "chip away" at the social programs. Rather than "take away" SS and health care, they will alter the programs for newer people. "Savings" (cuts) here and there... age restrictions... The goal is to phase out the "entitlements" and replace them with "private" programs. Of course, this is what we had before the FDR New Deal started... Wealthy people could save, and poor people could or did not. The goal is to get control of the MONEY. they want the money "out of government" and into their pockets. Although I don't think the main targets are the seniors and disabled presently receiving benefits, i think we should all fight it HARD ... together... like we need and earned the benefits. You are not alone!

pfitz59

(12,701 posts)
86. We can hope justice will prevail
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:46 PM
Dec 2024

SCrOTUS can't hear every appeal and there will be thousands of lawsuits and likely criminal charges. These folk have no patience and will try to rule by fiat or just blatantly ignore the law. Trump says he'll declare a 'national emergency' on day one and will issue Executive Orders galore. I hope they rat each other out as the dominos fall.

sunflowerseed

(515 posts)
87. Get tighter and down size!
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:48 PM
Dec 2024

Adapt and overcome!

And start stealing from corporations they do it to us why would we not do it back?

Pesky1

(44 posts)
88. Glad I've got Afordable Care Act...Obamacare is a disaster and my new president will replace it..
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 01:54 PM
Dec 2024

Wait...what?

wolfie001

(7,659 posts)
103. Repukes try to make it shittier every year
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:31 PM
Dec 2024

Get more moola for their donors. I hate them. And the stupid as f6ck 49.5% that voted for the orange felon.

whathehell

(30,468 posts)
107. Correct..Repubs have tried to shitcan Medicare
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 06:34 PM
Dec 2024

and Social Security a number of times and they always fail.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
104. Yes the closer it gets to the psychos taking over I feel more anxious
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:43 PM
Dec 2024

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I have a lot of other things that need to be attended to to semi distract me. Honestly spending less time here may be a good idea. There are a lot of semi alarmist type posts and it will only make you more anxious. Also just the continual bombardment of news etc;. Get out and get some fresh air etc. 🤗

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
105. Concerned. Depressed.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:50 PM
Dec 2024

Not terrified.

It's definitely going to be bad; I'm going to focus on maintaining my own sanity.

JMCKUSICK

(6,044 posts)
109. I'm right there with you XanaDUer2,
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:07 PM
Dec 2024

I now need triple or quadruple bypass, and I'm praying I get, approved. Otherwise I'm a dead man walking to put it bluntly.
My true hope is that AARP and others flood R's with the real consequences of these proposals, both real life and electoral.
My other hope is that the House Majority is so small that there's no way it can pass.
Praying real hard.

Codifer

(1,205 posts)
114. That power is over many.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:29 PM
Dec 2024

I am eighty. I am too old to start a new life as a refugee. I am on social security and my health care is through the VA. If the SS stops .... well, the mortgage will not pay itself. How long will I live on the street with disease rampant and everybody has a gun? (Hell, I have one too that is probably powerful enough to shatter my arthritic hand.)

I live in California so there is perhaps some insulation from tsf's insanity but that just means that California will be a prime target for putin and trump.... and I will have to pay attention to that.

These are supposed to be my fucking Golden Years.

I want to pay attention the the beauty of life..... not hold a death watch for all things bright and beautiful.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
113. Every day
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:18 PM
Dec 2024

I'm absolutely dreading January 20th.

As bad as Trump and his band of oligarchs and christofascists are now, at least he's not actually president for 4 more weeks.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
123. I wonder if those millions who voted for Biden in 2020 but refused to vote for Harris this year are regretting their
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:05 PM
Dec 2024

choice now? So much of life is about choices and consequences. Myself, I'm ashamed of calling them Democrats if they are that stupid.

RandomNumbers

(19,156 posts)
126. Yes, terrified, and then some.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:14 PM
Dec 2024

I keep trying to think of what I can do to protect myself.

I can't believe so many people were oblivious to how bad this might get.

I hope I wake up 4 years from now and am thinking that I was the idiot. Because if I am the smart one, as far as what all this might mean - I might not be alive in 4 years to wake up.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
130. I just feel numb.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:25 PM
Dec 2024

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Rightly or wrongly, that is how I feel. I can see disaster coming, but I feel powerless to do anything about it. I feel very calm, like "So here we are, this is happening, this thing I've been so afraid of for so long. The Orange Hellbeast is going to be potus again, and there's not a blasted thing I can do about it, so I guess I'll just keep on living my life for as long as I can. Because what else is there to do?"

The way I see it, there are people in this world who might have the power to do something to change things, but I'm not one of them. I'm just a passenger on this boat; nobody is going to give me the wheel. It's like the Serenity Prayer says: change the things you can and accept the things you can't change. I'm all out of things that I can change.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong to feel this way, just describing how I feel right now, at this particular moment in time. More than anything, I think I'm just ... tired. SO tired, after all those months ot worry and dread about TSF winning. It's like I just can't find any more fucks to give, like I've been wrung completely dry. Maybe I'll find some more eventually. I hope so.

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