When You Post A Cut & Pasted Article

[gab13by13]

When you post a cut and pasted article from The Hill or Newsweek or some other right wing rag you should own what you posted or else IMO it is simply posting right wing talking points. Granted there are occassions wher the articles will not be right wing talking points but those are far and in between.

I own what I post, including this one. I don't hide behind an article, I give MY OPINIONS.

Even if the cut and pasted article isn't a right wing talking point it could also be the narrative that the right wants us to talk about.

I appreciate those who clearly let us know "his & her" opinions.

Yeah, I'm edgy, new knee, waiting for shit to fall from the sky come January and Democrats wasting time talking about abolishing the Electoral College. Waiting for Democrats to abandon the "when they go low, we go high" mistake. We need fighters now, we need people who seek to get on Trump's enemy list. We need people like AOC in positions of power in the Democratic party.

Rant Off.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. I post content for the DU forums from various sources around the internet.

I might opine from time to time (when I feel like it, not because someone insists I do), but generally I post content from approved sources w/o comment.

Please don't tell me how to post.

[gab13by13]

4. Thank you for letting me know where you stand on my thread.

[Dennis Donovan]

6. You're welcome. n/t

[malaise]

9. I never post from RW links

That is all

[allegorical oracle]

44. Respect you and I also refrain from posting RW articles. However, I DO read them.

Believe in the "forearmed is forewarned" bromide. The sooner we know what the opposition is up to, the better prepared we are to take protective measures. I post articles occasionally from The Hill. Many here seem to think it's RW, but it does also produce useful articles about RW strategies that are underway on Capitol Hill.

[Prairie Gates]

2. Posting of article text with no commentary is a giant red flag

Agreed.

[SorellaLaBefana]

19. Respectfully, I cannot agree that *not* adding one's opinion to a posting is a "Red Flag"

If one's cut-n-paste is appropriately presented, DUers can skim it and get a sense of what the full article has to say. If it is of interest to them, they can follow the link to the original article.

There is, in my opinion, often no particular reason to add my opinion in the OP.

If I did not think it worth someone else's time to read and think about, I would not have posted it. Simply adding my two-cents worth of opinion is often of no value to the reader.

If the source is unfamiliar and one is curious as to possible bias, I have for many years gone to the somewhat confusing to use Media Bias site to get an idea (although it does not address individual articles): https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/

Always keep in mind Voltaire's aphorism "Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it.”

[wnylib]

23. Just one simple sentence can say what you think about

a posted link.

I post from my phone and often can't cut and paste from an article that I link. So I try to say something about what's in the article and why I'm posting it.

[allegorical oracle]

45. Agree. Am more interested in others' opinions than my own. Love when a discussion

ensues.

[orleans]

27. oh please. i post articles without commentary. what is the "giant red flag" you are subtly accusing me of? nt

[Shrek]

35. It's a purity test

And you are found to be impure.

[orleans]

37. lol. not a big fan of purity tests so... fts

if someone is so damn interested in my "purity" they can look up my posting history and note all the anger and disgust i have had through these past 20 yrs that i've been here that has been directed toward republicans

[Prairie Gates]

38. Oh the drama!

[Prairie Gates]

39. Red flag just means be careful

It's very much a tactic here to post endless negative stories about Dems with no commentary. Not every story posted without commentary is bad, but if somebody is doing that pretty much nonstop, it tells me I can pay less atention to them because they are probably a troll and a loser.

[orleans]

41. whatever. do what you want. i don't use cap. letters so that probably makes me something or other too.

lots of assumptions followed with judgement

[Prairie Gates]

43. Good Lord

aye aye

[B.See]

34. If from a right winged source or promoting a

rw talking point, ABSOLUTELY.

What gets me are posts that essentially promote a rw talking point that are followed by week a--- rebuttals or disclaimers like, "I don't agree" or "Is this true?"

[LeftInTX]

49. I often don't post my opinion, because I really don't think everyone wants to know it.

I'm an anonymous here. I could be influential or I could be in someone's mother's basement.

I think people prefer to read sourced opinions, mainly because those opinions may express the thought of more than one person, instead of little ole me.LOL

[bif]

3. As my daughters used to say, "You're not the boss of me."

I still believe in the First Amendment.

[gab13by13]

5. Thank you for letting me know where you stand on my thread.

but when we post something on DU we must follow the rules set by DU and not the Constitution.

[bif]

8. Not getting into a catfight with you.

[FSogol]

26. Everyone must follow the rules I am making up!

Now I know what you think of my post!

Puff, puff, puff, high horse, away.....!

[bif]

36. Xactly!

[JohnnyRingo]

7. I'm shy of echo chambers.

I don't want DU to become a rah rah forum of far left wing cheerleaders. I can decide on my own what's pertinent. For instance, I like Fetterman and AOC and don't want told either are dead to the forum.

Even after reading your post I don't want content to be put up to a board for loyalty. In your proposed world this entire reply would be deleted.

[gab13by13]

16. It would absolutely not be deleted.

You are not getting my point. You absolutely owned your post, that's all I am getting at.

There is a rule against posting right wing talking points, is there not? I do understand there are many instances when those talking points need to be posted here to show what Magats are up to, but I am not the sharpest crayon in the box so I am only asking posters to own what they post. I should not have to assume that the poster is against what he/she just posted.

[wnylib]

25. Agree.

[yardwork]

40. I think that is best handled case by case, in the moment.

DU is pretty good at identifying malicious disruptors. Everything else has a place here. The Democratic Party is a big tent. Something you consider to be right-wing might be a life-long Democratic voter's sincere belief.

This past election demonstrated that purity tests lose. Let's drop them. People don't like being told what to feel.

[JohnnyRingo]

48. Let it go.

You're making a big deal about news you don't want to hear and blaming the messenger.
I don't think anyone should watch the network news with their thumb hovered over the mute button.

[CaptainTruth]

10. You clearly have the luxury of time to write lengthy posts expressing your opinions.

Enjoy that privilege.
Some of us have businesses to run, customers waiting, & we work our butts off doing it, hence, our comments are brief, or we share an article with no comment at all.

Your life situation is not the same as everyone else's on DU.

[wnylib]

29. And yet, hard working folks find time to search sites and post links.

I am retired now, but when I was working, I also did volunteer work (still do), was involved with friends and family, and posted at sites. I found time to comment on links that I posted or else why bother posting them?

I did not post from my work location, where I would not have had time to read posts and articles or to search for links. I read sites and posted when I had time to do it.

[Hope22]

30. No one forces anyone to read a post. You are bothering yourself.

Why do you have to put yourself above others here. I Won’t waste your time on the hard work I have done…..and continue to do!

[niyad]

11. Could yyou have at least waited until after coffee before the harangue?

I hope your new knee will start offering some relief.

[gab13by13]

17. Love your post

I always know where you stand.

[IronLionZion]

12. I saw one where it was a screen capture of a clickbait headline completely different from the actual article

Sure many news sources are behind paywalls. But there is also a lot of rage bait nonsense online that simply isn't true. We all need to be more vigilant and diligent in checking what we post here, myself included.

[NNadir]

13. I check sources with which I'm unfamiliar but that said...

...using critical thinking tools I can discern whether a right leaning source is making an accurate assessment on a particular issue.

This is particularly true in the field of energy.

For example, on the left, we have a tendency to view so called "renewable energy" in a positive light. Criticism of this position often comes from right leaning publications. I agree with these criticisms.
I part ways with the right when it gets stupid and heads into the region of extreme global heating denial and leans into fossil fuel support, but when it points to the stupidity of the German energy program with respect to willfully destroying nuclear energy infrastructure I agree.

I would note that if Donald Trump states that the sky is blue, that does not make it green.

I stand by my posts, and I have a low tolerance for being instructed on whether and how I do so.

[Lucky Luciano]

14. Echo chambers are why we don't know the pulse of the electorate sometimes.

I agree about outright right wing propaganda being posted, but a general post should be ok.

If someone thinks an article is interesting that is fine. They post, go about their life and maybe check back in later.

[usonian]

15. I like your fighting spirit.

I know you will never be on bended knee to the king and queen.



I am old now and don't bend the knee, physically or mentally. "It's just so hard to get back up."

I have fun with computer art. It's semi-original, and definitely opinion.

[gab13by13]

18. I think Leon is the real president.

[usonian]

28. That is a lot tougher to do graphically.

I can't tell you what I tried.
Some other time.

I don't use AI.

[gab13by13]

20. I just did my knee exercises

and am going to ice it down.

I am gleeful with the results of my thread. I love to read the opinions of people here, even if I disagree with them.

Isn't this what DU is all about, our thoughts and interactions?

[MineralMan]

21. Fortunately, Most of Us Know Which Sources Have What Biases.

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People post from all sorts of sources here. It's news. You might think some source is a right wing outlet, while others see that source as more reliable than you see it.

It's good when people comment about what they post, but it is not required by DU rules. The site has rules, and a way for DUers to report posts they think break those rules. As individual users, however, none of us makes those rules. So, none of us can tell other DUers what they can or cannot post, nor how they must post.

It's always a good idea when you think about criticizing how people post to look at your own posting history and check whether you might be doing the same thing they are. That's my opinion about telling people how to post.

[Autumn]

22. I cut and paste articles that I find interesting and I think that people can read them and form

their own opinion about what they read Most people are very smart.

[gab13by13]

24. I am only talking about the political articles

I love all of the other articles.

I also cut and paste articles, I am not bashing that.
I take the time to comment on what I linked. I want people to know where “I” stand.. I want the interaction, or else I would just watch articles scroll by on my home page.

[Renew Deal]

31. I'm glad that works for you

[Mosby]

32. I think the content is more important than the source.

I also think it's not realistic for everyone to know the political leanings of every news site out there. Having said that, I do think there are many websites that should never be used for an OP. Unfortunately there isn't a mechanism to manage this, it used to be a moderator function and was never replaced.

About the original posters opinion, I think it's a mistake to conclude that the poster agrees with everything in the article, and the poster shouldn't have to explain their differences of opinion necessarily. When you get down in the specialized groups, articles are often are posted strictly to keep the group informed. It's more likely that people in the group know each other and have an idea of where they stand on the topic, so the OP is assumed to not necessarily agree with the piece, in fact it could be the opposite.

[orleans]

33. what about emojis? would that suffice?

you know, rather than telling you our opinion we could just show you?

such as one of the following

[Martin68]

42. I entirely agree. I particularly object to posts with incorrect or misleading headlines. The poster always

insists that under the terms of the site they have to post the headline no matter whether it's true or not, but it seems at the very least the poster has an obligation to comment on the headline up front if it says something that contradicts the article itself. I also think that if an article is posted, the poster should post an opinion about it.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. That Doesn't Perturb Me, In The Way...

...a video link without a synopsis does.
But, I get your point.

[Beastly Boy]

47. When I quote a source, I do so because I find my own opinions on a subject trivial, redundant or shallow by comparison.

The inadequacy of expressing my own opinions as I perceive them is the whole purpose for quoting a source which I have reason to believe is more informed than what I have to say. Otherwise, why quote anything that I consider inferior to my opinion in the first place? And why overlay my own biases on the source rather than let it stand for itself?

And why opine on a source if it only projects my comparative ignorance on the subject instead of letting everyone form opinions on their own?

Just to let everyone know where I stand? Everyone already knows this, or can easily find out, with or without my further comments.