Democrats don't blame Harris. In fact, many want her back in 2028.

[JoeOtterbein]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/18/kamala-harris-2028-primary-democrats-001628

Politico

Top officials gathered in Washington suggested an openness to backing the vice president again next time.

By Holly Otterbein

12/18/2024 12:23 PM EST

Senior Democrats aren’t ruling out Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate for 2028. But not all of them are fully endorsing the idea, either.

For party leaders, it’s a delicate balancing act. Some want to show respect for the outgoing vice president — but also share a sense of skepticism about her future prospects. For others, they have genuine enthusiasm for her candidacy and believe she lost because President Joe Biden simply exited the race too late.

“I would be on board 100 percent with whatever she decides to do. I think she is a phenomenal person. I think she was a phenomenal candidate,” said Yvette Lewis, a member of the Democratic National Committee’s executive panel. “We were able to turn things around so quickly, and that’s a testament to her.”

At a confab of DNC members last week, no party officials outright dismissed the idea of another Harris campaign, and some said they were willing to back her if she ran again.

Note: The article was written by my daughter

[cloudbase]

1. Bad idea.

[Greg_In_SF]

3. Agreed

n/t

[Jakes Progress]

33. Such a good argument.

So well expressed and presented.

Just for the fact based crowd, why not elucidate?

[cloudbase]

61. Running Harris again epitomizes the oft-cited definition of insanity.

Aside from that, there will likely never be a softer target than Trump. If she couldn't beat a convicted felon, an adjudicated sexual assaulter, and a man of dubious mental capacity and stability, what in the world would lead anybody to believe she could beat a competent candidate?

Happy now?

[Jakes Progress]

89. Just what competent republican candidate (oxymoron) do you think has a chance of being nominated

for that party's leadership. The incoming VP is the likely candidate. You find him competent?

Harris was a fine candidate. We have to see that our chosen figure is actually running against the republican nominee instead of russia, crooked corporates, and the media.

And tell me what Democrat you believe would have better contested the race.

[cloudbase]

93. Given the unique circumstances of this race,

I doubt that any other Democrat could have run a better campaign, though her choice of VP could have (in my opinion) been better. Yet Harris still lost, and to the worst possible Republican candidate. Do you think that merits another shot at the presidency for her?

If Biden had made his decision not to run early enough to allow for an open primary, the election results may have been very different.

By the way, Russia, "crooked corporates," and the media aren't going anywhere. They are a part of the political calculus that cannot be ignored.

[Jakes Progress]

111. All true except

I do disagree about the VP choice.

As for losing to the worst possible Republican, what do you think happened in 2016. We had the most qualified person ever to run for president lose to the least qualified ever. But Hillary or Kamala would each make a better president than any republican that ever ran.

I think that we are proving that America is misogynistic. Even on DU and at Democratic events I have attended, you get the scent of sexism wafting about. That doesn't mean that we can't run women for the office. If we don't, the first woman president will be someone like mtg. You forgot to tell me what republican candidate would be more qualified to be president than Harris.

A primary would have put Democrats at each other's throats. In fighting that formed animosities that would have cut off large blocks of voters. No. I think we just have peak stupidity in America right now. That is why we can't ignore russia, corporates, and the biased media. We need a James Carville rapid response team. Every bot meme, every corporate connection, every samism interview exposed immediately with as loud and wide a response as possible. The complacent and connected media is the biggest problem. We need to be developing a sister system to their propaganda. I think we believe the public will see through the lies, but I think this last election proved conclusively that we are at the tipping point of stupid. Democrats like to think well of the public, but the public doesn't think well. If we are to win, we must adjust our message for a more selfish, less thoughtful, absolutely scared public. We have bread and butter issues that appeal to the general mass, but we keep burying our message in policy statements. The gibbon scares them with lies about Mexicans eating their puppies. We can scare them with the truth about billionaires taking away their health care. Generally, we play too nice. We can do what they do using the truth they way they use lies.

(For a clarification of my references to stupid, see Carlo M. Cipolla and the five laws of supidity.)

[DenaliDemocrat]

138. California Democrats do not play well nationally

It’s just that simple. Being a black, female, Californian just makes it even harder. It’s a popularity contest and she does not have big tent appeal.

I know CA has the largest economy and blah, blah, blah. They also have extreme environmental laws (letting yellow star thistle create a million acre monoculture because you don’t like picloram is poor science), social trends that don’t play well in middle America, and gun laws that probably make sense for Orange County but not Taos New Mexico.

I don’t care if your state has 60 million people. We have the electoral college and we candidates that appeal and can compete outside of the coastal cities.

[rollin74]

150. This is very true

Whether we like it or not, a presidential candidate from California will face an uphill battle at best given the current political climate in this country

I think Gavin Newsom will very likely lose if he is our candidate in 2028

[Jakes Progress]

151. We get it. You don't like California. But you still didn't address the question.

I asked what Democratic candidate would have fared better and been more qualified.

And I asked what republican that poster thought was more qualified than Harris.

You didn't answer either. Maybe you misplaced your post and were replying to another, but your post doesn't address mine.

[PortTack]

46. Agree...sadly this country has too many racist sexist bigots that would vote no for a woman POTUS

We’ve got to win in ‘28!

[get the red out]

104. Yes, WIN

I believe that mysogyny among Democrats is far more widespread than anyone wants to believe. I think that even most R's are fine with voting for women "down ticket" that support their agenda, but I believe that even among Ds there are just enough voters who secretly view a woman in the Presidency as one step too far. I have seen anectdotal evidence of this from some men who identify as liberals, that's not proof, but I doubt other parts of the country are any different.

The country depends on the Democratic Party winning back the Presidency in 2028, I think our best candidate would be a man (obviously one with good ideas etc..). We can't risk anything next time.

NOTE: As a feminist for decades, I had to grit my teeth to write this post.

[PortTack]

130. Same here! We would all benefit greatly with a FE POTUS. I hate that these are the facts. But we've mgmt to win in '28

[Cobalt Violet]

2. Surely there must be another 70-80 something we can run instead.

[Autumn]

81. There are plenty of young people we can run. People that haven't lost 2 runs for President.

[ThePartyThatListens]

115. If I recall correctly, Biden lost twice before he won

Did you think that then too?

[Autumn]

117. Biden ran for president four times. I knew he would beat trump in 2020 and had his

son not died in 2016 Biden would have won trump would never have been an issue. IMO That was then, this is now. We don't have 2 elections to take any chances with.

[ThePartyThatListens]

118. Okay, so he had already struck out three times before he went up to bat and finally won

I was off by two.

[Autumn]

122. And Biden won when it counted. End of story.

[ThePartyThatListens]

123. Principles are sorely lacking these days.

Sad huh?

[Autumn]

124. They sure are. Another thing that is lacking these days is some people's inability to hear

another persons opinion that's different than theirs without attempts to invalidate the other person opinion.

[onecaliberal]

4. As if there will be elections.

[mcar]

5. Good. She ran a great campaign.

[at140]

77. Harris missed on one item

When asked what she would do different compared to Biden/Harris admin, she said nothing comes to mind.
She missed a huge opportunity to list items voters wanted to hear.

[MichMan]

83. The campaign knew that question was coming and still weren't prepared for it

Who expected that being asked that question on The View, of all places, would end up being that problematic.

[JI7]

92. The only answer that would have helped is if she said she opposed the Transgender rights

things that Biden did.

[MichMan]

101. It wasn't Biden's views that were used against her, it was her own statements from 2020

[ThePartyThatListens]

116. And putting filthy neocons like Liz Cheney front and center

If you recall, that's about the time she started dropping in the polls.

Before that she was steadily rising.

[at140]

152. I think you are right on

why in the world would Harris choose Liz Cheney, the most disgusting neocon alive, for help? Exactly which block of voters Harris would gain via Cheney?

[Polybius]

127. That was a major reason for losing

That and embracing Cheney too much.

[tritsofme]

6. That's a hard pass for me.

[lynintenn]

7. I think it has been proven

this country is not ready for a female for president.

[SWBTATTReg]

35. Unfortunately, I think you are sadly right. I loved both candidates that we put out into the field, and still...

some of the feelings against having a female president are still there.

I really don't know why, the Country (chunks of it is) locked into beliefs that won't change.

[maxsolomon]

8. Charisma.

Is there no other Dem with more charisma than Harris? Her 2020 campaign floundered over that issue.

Gavin Newsom is going to turn 61 in October 2028. Look for him to declare upon finishing his 2nd term.

[In It to Win It]

9. Sure, if she wins the primary.

[dutch777]

102. I think this is the realistic view. Kamala did the best she could in terrible circumstances but see what 2028 looks...

...like. I am ashamed for our country to say it but just not sure we will elect a woman in what is left of my lifetime. (Maybe 20 years). We need to get things done that prove the Dem approach beats the Repug approach and to do that we need to win. Reality sucks but we need to be realists. The primary process is the only, albeit less than perfect, way to get a candidate with some sense of consensus. If that is Kamala, I will back her again, all the way.

[LeftInTX]

134. Yes. I didn't like her debates in 2019. They were cringy. She would roll her eyes stuff like that.

However, she sure didn't when pitted against Trump in 2024! So, she has evolved. I think she was an awesome candidate. Timing just wasn't the best.

[Shrek]

10. She already lost to the worst Republican ever

What's the argument that she could win against someone else?

[maxsolomon]

121. He's the worst in our eyes.

His unshakeable core of voters thinks he's the best ever.

The mystery is where did 6 million Biden voters go?

[Blue_Tires]

11. Anybody blaming Harris for losing a race

After she was thrown into with less than 100 days left needs to get their butts whupped...

[democrattotheend]

146. I don't blame her

She did the best she could with a bad hand, and the party should be grateful to her for stepping up the way she did and jumping onto a sinking ship to try to save it.

But I also don't think I want her to run again in 2028. At a minimum, she has work to do in terms of answering questions and discussing policy in more depth and being more comfortable speaking off the cuff. JD Vance is going to be harder to debate than Trump, and we need a candidate who can do long interviews with alternative media and what not to get out of the bubble. I'm not saying she can't get there, but she has work to do over the next 4 years.

Even if she does that, we may be better off nominating someone new unless Biden gets a major retroactive approval bump and the political climate is such that her positions in 2019 won't hurt her so much.

I feel bad saying this, because I feel like she got screwed and part of me feels she deserves another shot.

[Blue_Tires]

149. Voters have proven they're shallow and easily deceived

If all they want are "vibes" and to be entertained and for someone to tell them anything they want to hear, I say just run a Hollywood celebrity and be done with it

[pinkstarburst]

12. No, no, no. Are they insane?

Harris running again in 2028 would be as much a gross mistake of ego as Biden running for a second term in 2024 and refusing to drop out until the eleventh hour.

It absolutely breaks my heart that this country is so racist and sexist that we refused to elect an immensely qualified woman in 2024 in favor of a completely unqualified man, and also that we did the exact same thing in 2016 when Hillary ran. Both Clinton and Harris were so, SO qualified and would have been wonderful presidents.

But running Harris in 2028 a second time when the country has already weighed in on her and said "no thanks" would be as foolhardy as running Hillary Clinton in 2028. Or Al Gore.

It's unfair. It sucks. I wish BOTH of them had been elected. But whether it's because our country is too racist, too sexist, or they just didn't connect with her as a candidate for some other reason, we have to move forward and select a different candidate. We can't run her again in 2028, then again in 2032, then, oh come on guys, one more try in 2036, this is the year!

I would not support Harris again in 2028. I hope she runs for governor of California, but I think we need to have a full primary and move on to fresh candidates, not rerun someone who lost and who has never won a national election.

[mopinko]

13. depends on how she spends the next 4 yrs.

if she can lead an effective resistance, she deserves the nod.
i assume we’ll have a primary. let the voters decide. but it wd b a good idea cuz the true base of our party, black women, r not happy campers.

[lame54]

14. Gov of Cali - Newsom for prez

[FoggyLake]

15. Nope for me

To me she is a grim reminder of her failed effort against a convicted felon. NEWSOM!!!!

[Crowman2009]

16. The real blame should be the Talabangelical married straight white males.

They're the ones who came out in the millions to vote for the orange douchè.

[Autumn]

82. That orange shit bag ran a campaign that pleased his electorate. Harris didn't.

[BigMin28]

103. They couldn't

have done it without their women.

[Center Left]

17. Sorry, no we don't.

It’s time to move on. We need somebody with fresh ideas or else we’ll lose again.

[Escape]

18. When President Michelle Obama...

takes office in January of '29, I would hope she would quickly name Kamala Harris Attorney General.

[intheflow]

38. Michelle Obama would rather eat glass than work in politics. n/t

[Ocelot II]

126. I don't know why people keep bringing up Michelle Obama, who has said over and over

that she wants nothing more to do with politics and has absolutely no intention of ever running for any public office. Can we please give that idea a rest at last?

[Meowmee]

19. No

Assuming we even have elections again whoever wins the primary will be the candidate. And I am stating it now, no women, it has been proven twice a woman will not win. I want to beat fascism, that is the main objective. We need to pick a candidate who can win in a higher margin.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. How does a move to the center

by Gov Newsom sound to you? I want quick ideas and rhetoric and blowback pitched from a mainstream candidate fluid with Democratic principles.

[Meowmee]

29. If he can win, great

That is really all that matters to me, and it's all that should matter to anyone at this point 😁

[ReRe]

68. How's a move to the left

sound to you? The left has moved to the center and moved to the center and moved to the center so many times now that the center isn't the center anymore! Perhaps if Gov Newsom could veer a sharp left, that might work for him and the misguided Democratic Party?

[Sympthsical]

20. Flat no

No.

I do not believe she would win the primary anyway. She may be better suited to governor of California if that is her wish. It might serve her better.

We need a clean break from the top of the party so as to better chart a new course. It's time to start throwing baggage off the ship.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. I doubt focus groups will provide a boost to this idea

We can't measure everything in a focus group. Sampling the other side is like installing trolls. She didn't go over well with some demographics. Unless you believe the whole 7 battleground states were stolen.

[dchill]

22. Pelosi/Connolly 28, amirite?!

[PedroXimenez]

78. we need new blood

so Gephardt/Daschle 2028

[Celerity]

132. Lolol

[Celerity]

131. Connolly's too young. Steny Hoyer can be her VP. He will turn a 'young' 90 a few months after being sworn in.

[Tarzanrock]

24. How many times does Adlai Stevenson have to lose?

The problem with the uber Left in this country is that a whole lot of Americans do not agree with their proposed agenda -- which is why they keep getting their collective asses kicked in elections. How many times does Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris have to lose?

[displacedvermoter]

32. Who exactly is the Uber-left?

What the hell does Geraldine Ferraro have in common with either of the other two you cite, besides being women? Is that the problem?

Jeezus...

[Tarzanrock]

58. Ask yourself this ...

... how many women voted against Kamala Harris? How many men voted against Kamala Harris? Do the math.

[displacedvermoter]

67. You consider Harris Uber-left? You.must have a pretty narrow

spectrum you rate politicians on

[thesquanderer]

99. Same with Hillary Clinton. How can people say we can't win with someone "uber left"...

... when we haven't tried it? I mean, I don't know whether we can win with that either, but since we have not offered a truly left general election candidate, where's that evidence that they always lose? It's not like we've run with anyone like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. For at least the last 30-ish years, we've only run moderates. Sometimes winning, sometimes not.

[PedroXimenez]

63. "uber-left" might be referring to Tony West and David Plouffe

both of whom worked for Uber.

of course i could be wrong.

[displacedvermoter]

66. Sounds about right

Politically, there are few if any folks who qualify

[ReRe]

73. "The problem with the left in this country" ?

Judge not that ye be not judged, buddy! Who do you think you are to be the speaker for "a lot of Americans"? We win our share of elections, thank GOD, or we wouldn't have a country left to live in, thank you! I guess if we (the "uber" Left) hadn't run Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, we would have won, is that what you're saying? That's damn sure what it sounds like you said.

I guess I'm "uber" left then, cause I voted for both of them.

[mainer]

25. Cool that your daughter wrote it

You must be proud.

[JoeOtterbein]

28. Yep! I'am....

...very proud!

[patphil]

26. Kamala would make a great president, but this country doesn't want that.

They chose the beast over her; couldn't get past the fact that she is both black and a woman.

I wouldn't hesitate to supporter her if she won the primaries, but I think we have to face the reality of life in the United States. As far as the oval office is concerned, it's a man's world.
But the man coming in on January 20th, is only a mere shadow of the great one who's leaving.
Trump isn't worthy to sit in the chair that so many great presidents have sat in. He and his hate-filled supporters can never make anything great. It takes love to do that, and both he, and his followers are devoid of love.
All they can do is tear things down.

[jeaps]

27. Works for me

She did a great job with what was handed to her. I would support her

[nycbos]

30. Something tells me the article is click bait.

[Arazi]

31. Unelectable unfortunately. No woman candidate will succeed in 2028

And definitely not a black woman.

Hate it.

Love her.

But reality means we are clear-eyed

[democrattotheend]

147. I think a different woman could

Whitmer is probably my top choice. TBH, it wasn't just (or mostly) being a woman that sank Kamala. It was the DEI label (due to Biden being explicit about picking a woman and implying he'd pick a black woman in 2020) that she wasn't quite able to shed by proving her capabilities in the short time she had. The implication that she was only there because of race/gender hurt her. That said, I don't think any of those things hurt her as much as Biden's unpopularity, inflation, immigration, her inability to say what she would do differently from Biden, and how she struggled in many cases to explain why her positions shifted from 2019. All of those mattered more than race/gender IMO.

[Prairie Gates]

34. Oy vey

[bronxiteforever]

36. Too soon for me. I am just trying to survive

the next few years.
I really like her and happily voted for her and thought she would win yet 2028 seems a long way off.

[intheflow]

37. Well, fuck, why not just run HRC again?

They seem to be ageist against AOC, and Harris is 60 herself, and will be 64 in 2028. We might as well run the old white lady again because doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of crazy. But those are the only ideas our aging past their prime "leadership" seem to be able to put forth. No imagination, no grasp of how to change the party for the future of US politics.

[Renew Deal]

43. 2028 will be about the future

[Renew Deal]

55. lol

[intheflow]

45. Sure, I'll also always vote for our candidate.

But running HRC is 2016 was bad enough. To 50% of the country, and maybe more, she is one of the most hated women in America. So, no, Hillary doesn't sound great for 2028 - she'll be 81! If Biden was too old this last go-around, she is, too.

[StevieM]

49. Before the fake email controversy, she was plenty popular.

She was listed as the most admired woman in the United States for many years. And when she was Secretary of State, she had sky high job approval and personal favorability numbers. After she lost in 2016 all of that was erased from the history books.

[intheflow]

98. But she was also among the most hated.

Conservatives hated her for being an active First Lady. They blocked her healthcare plan. Whitewater. “But her emails!” Plus, you know, she’s a woman.

Liberals disliked her because she used to be a Republican. She served on the board of Walmart when they were expanding exponentially, killing mom and pop shops nationwide. She was besties with Kissinger.

I didn’t like her as a candidate because I don’t like political dynasties and wanted someone other than a Bush or a Clinton, though of course I voted for her. I think it’s possible in our highly polarized society to be both highly popular and highly hated simultaneously. Case in point: Trump.

[StevieM]

125. My point is that when she was Secretary of State, she had sky high approval/favorability numbers.

Her disapproval/unfavourability numbers were low. She was not among the most hated during Barack Obama's first term. The Republicans set out to change that, first with their lies about Benghazi, and then with the fake email controversy.

[intheflow]

136. She had sky-high approval ratings from Dems.

Independents and Republicans, not so much. Here’s a Pew report from 2015 that shows her popularity fluctuating quite a bit between 2007-2015, with a median approval rating across parties as only 66% during her most popular point as SoS, probably after bin Laden was killed. It also shows that at the time heading into the primaries (May 2015) her approval rating was a dismal average of 49%. Sanders isn’t even on Pew’s radar at this point.

[StevieM]

143. According to this article, and the graph showing her poll numbers, she was sky high in 2010.

She was at 40 percent among Republicans and 66 percent among independents. And this was before the Bin Laden raid.

That is my point. It isn't correct to say that she was always unpopular or more hated on the right than other Democrats.

Also, this poll is for favorability, not job approval. So these were people who were outright saying that they liked her.

[intheflow]

145. Independents are not a broken out in the graph.

That grey line is the median approval rating between Democrats/Democratic-leaning and Republican/Republican-leaning. So it was 66% overall approval at her highest point.

Edited to add: You're right, her high point definitely wasn't bin Laden's death in 2011, when she got among her lowest Democratic ratings. This was also the high point of her popularity with Republicans.

[W_HAMILTON]

84. Yes, crazy to think that someone who lost an election could run again and win! Oh wait...

Zero chance it happens, but I would gladly vote for a Hillary/Kamala "FUCK ALL Y'ALL" ticket.

[cadoman]

100. I see what you did there...

I think Hillary could run again--successfully--if she wanted to, but views her political career as past. It's a lot of work (even more than a legislative job) and she's served a long time.

It's important to remember too that each race is distinct and just because a candidate loses doesn't mean they're a bad candidate. There's an ebb and flow to politics and sometimes you just get caught supporting a thing at the wrong time, or being associated with a person at the wrong time. Or a candidate has some small performance error that gets blown out of proportion, etc.

In 2028 Harris could also be in the unique position of a "Miss Me Yet", "We Made a Mistake" sort of candidacy where the world is in disarray and the public is ecstatic to support her. For that to work though it's important to be on the record as tRump makes every fascist action, so that the comparison is deeply embedded in the public's minds.

[obamanut2012]

40. I'm hoping she is my next Governor

[Renew Deal]

41. I don't blame her, but we need a vigorous primary

And I suspect she won't be the favorite

[Iggo]

90. She can't out-liberal a crowded field.

She got a free pass this time, but not next time.

[WarGamer]

42. We need a healthy and robust Primary campaign in 28...

And let the best person emerge...

Mayor Pete should be right there

[Martin Eden]

94. We needed it in 2024

I love Joe Biden, but if any Democrat is to blame for last month's election loss, sadly, it is he.

I was not a fan of Kamala Harris in the 2020 primary, but I grew to admire her when she succeeded Joe as our nominee in 2024. Considering the circumstances, I think she ran a wonderful campaign (with some significant mistakes) and would have been a good president.

But she was not elected to be our nominee, and was not popular among independents. The biggest reason we lost was probably the propaganda constantly fed to low information voters. That, and the debacle following Joe's debate performance, may have been too much to overcome. For several reasons, Kamala did not inspire souls to the polls like Barack did in 2008.

So much was at stake, and now we'll have to endure a fascist kakistocracy. Joe Biden saved our democracy in 2020, but he should NOT have run in 2024.

[Bettie]

44. The US is too misogynistic

to ever have a woman as president.

We can't run a woman. Both times we have, it has ended in disaster.

As much as I hate it, we need a rich, white, overtly religious man.

[Mike Nelson]

47. Hope she runs...

... again, if she wants. Not saying she's my first choice, but I'm already pro-Kamala, pro-Pete, pro-Gavin, pro-Whomever!

[Raven123]

51. Way too soon.

Let’s see what happens over the next 2 years.

[rso]

52. Harris

Unfortunately, this largely backward Country is not ready for a female President. Trump beat two women and lost against a man, if we want to retake the WH we need to nominate a man.

[CTyankee]

53. Because Joe didn't get out until that terrible moment in the first debate with Trump, Harris ran with little to no time

to prepare. I think she did a fabulous job, none the less. I feel terrible for her but I wish Joe had gotten out earlier. But that is all hindsite now. I was crushed when she lost. I thought she outperformed Trump at every turn, but she just didn't have enough time to establish herself with the voters.

[Evolve Dammit]

56. I really like her. She is a breath of fresh air and aligned with my values. Make it so. As VP/ CA AG she has the cred

[C0RI0LANUS]

57. Dems should choose a young, peace-oriented candidate for 2028.

Last edited Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Americans are tired of directly or indirectly supporting war.

When asked if they approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling the Israel-Palestine conflict, voters disapprove by a -21-point margin, with 57% disapproving and 36% approving.

US indirect support of war reflected here:


(Photo: Washington Post; verified as true by snopes.com)

The last article about direct US involvement in war linked at bottom was written 13 years ago.



Sources:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/younger-americans-stand-out-in-their-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/america-is-tired-of-war/

[Falcon101]

59. Bad Idea

I know I am going against the grain in how the party faithful thinks, but Harris and Walz were horrible candidates for numerous reasons. Further, the campaign was poorly conducted, again for numerous reasons. It is exhausting to hear the party faithful to blame the media, bigotry, and any other number of irrelevant variables. At some point I would like the party to have some self-awareness and blame the loss on the candidates and the campaign operations, rather than blame the voters. Until the party looks at itself, we will continue to be losers especially if the party elders continue to ram candidates down our throats (e.g. Harris, Biden, and HRC) rather than focusing on who is the best candidate to win (which the only purpose of a political party).

[gemini_liberal]

60. While, to me, she's officially now my best President we never had

I don't think that's happening. Unfortunately, to most people, she's just that woman who lost to Trump 2. That's a hard stigma to overcome. While most of that was baked-in from the get go, and there was only so much she could do in the short amount of time, explaining that can come across as excuse-making.

Also, a lot of establishment centrists never liked her and want her to go away (Some got behind her this year just to let her have "her turn" and be done because it was always a longshot) and leftists have never been keen on her, despite her progressive record. So, I can't really see the coalition she'd build to win the 2028 primaries (yeah yeah "if the election happens.&quot

She'd probably poll well in early hypothetical 2028 polling, due to name recognition, but that could easily evaporate once things get serious.

And, of course, there's the ongoing blight of any time a woman of color has any success, it's labelled as "woke, DEI tokenism" but I don't know if the correct response to that is to start denying anyone who isn't a white man opportunities out of fear - I feel like that's just enabling the problem.

I really hope she has something to offer and isn't just told to go away, like Hillary was, or ends up retreating into the private sector.

[Celerity]

141. Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm. By 2032 she will be almost 70, so just leaving her 'young & inexperienced' years,

at least according to many here.

[heckles65]

64. Let her enter the primaries,

If she wins, I will support her 100%

[PedroXimenez]

65. no point in blaming her

but i really hope there are better choices next time.

[tishaLA]

69. I really like Harris but

My hope is that Wes Moore decides to run. I hope Secretary Buttigieg has a prominent voice, too, because he's one of our best communicators.

Harris ran a great campaign, but in retrospect it was probably too safe too scripted, too reliant on set pieces.

[Greybnk48]

70. I do! I want Kamala as our candidate. And she should start holding rallies this coming February

and campaign the entire four years that Flubadub 47 and Elonia are our pretend Presidents.

[doc03]

71. It was a mistake thinking a black women

could be elected president in the first place. I don't think so.

[ForgedCrank]

72. Please define "many".

Is it enough to win an election?
So no, let's not.
She was not a good candidate for us, and cost us this election. Maybe because people want the candidate that they actually voted for in the primary, not the ones they rejected.

[Raine]

74. NO thanks. 👎 nt

[liberalmediaaddict]

75. Gretchen Whitmer is a rock star

But honestly who knows if America will ever allow a woman to be President.

I was excited for Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris to each serve 2 terms. Instead we're trapped in this horrible timeline led by an orange anti-christ.

[LisaL]

76. I don't.

I think we should go with someone else.

[Wild blueberry]

79. Harris did a great job

Both as VP and candidate. I would definitely vote for her again.
AND we'll see what the next years bring.
Good job, your daughter!
Thank you.

[Autumn]

80. She lost a primary and as a sitting VP she lost a presidential race during a great economy.

I'm good with someone else. There must be someone out there be out there that hasn't lost a couple of times.

[Kaleva]

95. The economy was very good in '68 when VP Humphrey lost

[Autumn]

109. Nothing is like it was in 1968. Not politics, not the media, the economy, not America, not the people.

You might as well go back a hundred year and you could probably find something more relevant.

[Kaleva]

112. So what do you base your opinion on then?

The economy was good in 2000 and yet Gore lost

[Autumn]

113. I'm not talking about Gore, not talking about Humphry. I was talking about Harris.

Biden's economy was good, she was his VP she lost to assholes who were complaining about the price of food. That was just one of the reasons I think she lost. You can always talk about why you think she lost if my opinion bothers you.

[Kaleva]

120. My opinion, she lost because of Biden's very high negatives

[townie]

85. She has learned from her mistakes: let's do it

[TheFarseer]

86. I'm begging top party officials

And big donors to just let people decide who they want and not put their thumb on the scale like they have for the last 3 primaries! For God’s sake just it play out and get the strongest, most popular candidate!

[krawhitham]

87. I don't blame her, but I don't want her back either.

America does not seem ready to elect a woman. A rapist, felon, & racist SURE



WTF

[andym]

88. Trump led Biden in the polls for at least a year before Joe dropped out

Kamala outperformed Joe Biden in the polls and likely on election day. Still, she was a stay-the-course candidate in an election where voters were seeking economic change. It will be difficult for her to overcome her association with Joe Biden, who was getting blamed for higher prices. A fresh face is likely needed.

[Midwestern Democrat]

91. Democratic Party officials are just being diplomatic - they don't feel it's necessary to denounce something

(Harris 2028) that has little to no chance of happening.

[Kaleva]

96. She wouldn't have Biden's high negatives to counter in a '28 run

[Noel Kums]

97. We had arguably two of the most qualified women running in 2016/2024. Sadly, the country isn't ready.

The only person left would be Michelle Obama and she’s already said no 100X.

I don’t mention her from an experience standpoint in politics as much as an enthusiasm generator. She and Barack are possibly the greatest political orators of our time.

[Dem4life1234]

105. She has a calming sane spirit

I'm so sad that she is not leading us and instead we are getting that buffoon and his two rich stooges.

[flamingdem]

106. Hard pass

Repeating what failed seems so wrong.

We need a fresh approach. New faces.

[Dem4life1234]

107. I would also love to see Newsom

He's youngish, handsome, and has the guts to stand up to those idiots.

[BBbats]

108. Really?

I like Harris a great deal but this is not a good idea.
This country will never elect a Woman of color or a Woman for that matter. Racism & sexism runs too deep.
Having said that I'd like to see AOC run!

[alarimer]

110. No.

We need a down-and-dirty fighter, not ANYONE who believes in norms or business as usual. Someone willing to throw out the entire playbook. No to oodles of "Ivy League" consultants, no to McKinsey grifters, etc. No to corporate lobbyists.

I think her campaign started great but ended lackluster (probably because of fucking CONSULTANTS). If they had kept on with the "weird" comments, it might have worked; instead, they went overly cautious.

[Mysterian]

114. Harris ran a good campaign and thrashed the con man at the debate

But the price of groceries doomed the Democrats. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[bif]

119. Maybe Hillary can be her running mate

[OAITW r.2.0]

128. She was an awesome candidate....I'd support her in 2028.

[Quiet Em]

139. She would have my support again if she chooses to run again.

[Polybius]

129. Hell no

I'd rather run 80 year old Hillary Clinton. It's Gavin's turn.

[LeftInTX]

135. Sorry. I don't like Gavin. He comes across as cocky

[Polybius]

140. I respect that opinion

At least we'll see a healthy primary next time around. May the best person win.

[Rstrstx]

133. If people are nostalgic for the Biden years by 2028 then sure

And they very well may be; in fact, I think buyer’s remorse is going to set in pretty quickly in Trump II.

[redqueen]

137. Can't we get someone who supports single payer?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx

[jalan48]

142. I keep hearing that she lost because of racism and sexism. Why would things be any different four years from now?

Why would we want to take the chance given the stakes?

[Kaleva]

153. I think she lost because of Biden's very high negatives.

[jalan48]

155. Yes, I have a feeling the racism and misogyny will disappear if she decides to run again.

[Politicub]

144. She inspired millions in a brief amount of time

And ran as good of a campaign as could be expected.

She was an incredible, energetic figure on the national stage.

I do hope she makes another go.

[bif]

148. No we don't

[Kaleva]

154. She was a hit with the base, IMHO

But one can't win with the base alone

Reasons why I think she was a hit with the base:

The mood here at DU changed dramatically for the better when Biden dropped out and Harris became the presumptive nominee.

The Harris campaign received a massive amount of donations, especially from small donors.

Her rallies were large and the crowds enthusiastic.

Thousands volunteered to work on her campaign.