What can we do here on DU? How about zero tolerance for gun nuttery?

[Warren Stupidity]

The jury system enables us to set the community standards. I say we, as a community, say enough is enough, and agree to not tolerate pro-gun advocacy here.

[villager]

1. The poisonous snark of the proliferationists has been going on for years here, mostly unchecked

...at least in the gungeon. Along with a raft of "The NRA is OK!" apologetics.

It will be interesting to see if the "cultural shift" can even be made here.

[Logical]

2. Define "pro-gun advocacy". Any defense of guns or any defense of owning guns?

[Posteritatis]

5. "Any gun-related posts the OP happens to dislike." (nt)

[Warren Stupidity]

8. Pro RKBA absolutist horseshit is what I am referring to.

[Posteritatis]

9. So what I said, pretty much. (nt)

[Warren Stupidity]

6. Pretty much. I've had it.

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We are du, even if the administrators won't take a stand, the jury system enables us to set our own rules.

[morningfog]

12. I support this.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

23. The jury system is not supporting you in your purity campaign

since it clearly is more fits of pique and intolerance...

For example stating the fact the AWB was ineffective and useless should not be an alertable offense, but you did it anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. You are making me ALMOST go back to jury duty...almost.

[ellisonz]

14. ^^^^^^^

Obfuscation

[baldguy]

35. That's a start.

[Kalidurga]

3. I don't care for the gun nuts...

At least the way I define them. Not sure how you define them. But, I define a person as a gun nut when they say stupid stuff, like guns don't kill people, people do. Or someone that thinks that we don't need no stinkin background checks. Or someone who thinks that requiring a waiting period is a hardship that is akin to cruel and unusual punishment.

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. How about we chop off the gungeon?

It's just DU's septic tank these days.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. We can't do that, we can vote to hide all gun nut posts.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

24. Just block it...its not rocket science

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Yes, I know.

but it still leaches out at times.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

41. A sizeable percentage of the party owns guns and supports them

[bongbong]

53. Prove it

I wonder why the Delicate Flowers think they can demand proof of ANYTHING a sane Liberal says about gun control, but can make endless claims about how wonderful and unicorn-like their Precious is?

[derby378]

64. What is this "Delicate Flower" you speak of?

Or is it just more smug, self-righteous cutesiness that isn't going to help any national discourse?

[Saboburns]

67. I've seen this term here a few times today

Apparently it's use to describe the ubiquitous "Gun Nut".

Did you know that ALL gun owners are weirdo paranoids who hold the guns in high esteem? And also all gun ownwers are Republican WingNuts who are to blame for all gun crimes.

Ive learned this today.

[decayincl]

10. One thing we all can do

More and more state legislatures are opening up more and more buildings to people legally carrying guns . What can I do? I can ask the first staff person I see if the business allows carrying a gun onto the premises. If they do allow them, I will politely ask that they give me a call when they change their policy. I will then tell that person that I will take my business elsewhere until the policy is changed. If and when all local businesses allow weapons, I guess Amazon will get my business.

A few of us will probably not be able to change any laws. But, if enough of us will vote with our dollars, we just might make a difference in our communities.

[etherealtruth]

15. You make good points

Michigan's idiot right wing nut jobs .... loosened gun laws this week

[MuseRider]

22. Excellent!

I like this. It may not make a difference for a while and maybe never but at least it is something active that a liberal who wants the laws in their very RW state to change.

[former-republican]

11. So you want to alienate 24% of all registered democrats in this

country.

Good plan , they should hire you as a 2016 campaign manager

[morningfog]

13. Your name is half right.

[Logical]

17. LOL, another insult with no information. Your trademark!

[morningfog]

19. No holds barred tonight.

[Logical]

20. No intelligence either.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. Right, because this is the official site of the Democratic Party.

This is a progressive Democratic message board. We do not speak for the party.

[former-republican]

18. progressive Democratic

What does that exactly mean to you?

The President is considered a progressive Democrat and supports common sense gun laws.
Not silencing people to talk about how to reach them.


I think if you look most if not all DU members that are gun owners are all involved in trying to
propose common sense gun laws that should be proposed

[Warren Stupidity]

21. I came to du to get away from tedious rightwing bullshit.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

25. You like to avoid discourse and facts that do not fit your world view

DU like the party is bigger tent that your hat. Deal with it or move on.

[marions ghost]

30. Right wing propaganda is not tolerated here

Why should we make an exception for pro-gun right-wing talking points?

If anybody wants to discuss reasonable solutions, fine. But EVERY OTHER ARGUMENT supports the rightwing vigilante point of view.

The OP makes a good point.

[pipoman]

34. Reasonable?

Will that standard be enforced on both sides of this debate, or just the side you believe is right? Who will be the arbiter of "reasonable"?

[marions ghost]

38. Reasonable and realistic

in light of the national addiction to guns and violence.

Anyone who questions the word "reasonable" has obviously got a big fear of any sort of gun control (and therefore is complicit with the right wingers who feel this level of violence is acceptable).

[pipoman]

39. Uh, anyone who doesn't question

the applied definition of the word "reasonable" has no grasp of history. Words mean things...some words require definition specific to the context used..

"Fear of gun control"? No, understanding of the Constitution and the limitations it imparts the government. All the flailing in the world won't make the unconstitutional, constitutional....why spend a bunch of time proposing the impossible as a "reasonable" solution to anything?

[marions ghost]

43. OK hide behind the constitution

when you know it doesn't have anything to do with someone gunning down children.

You want to make sure the constitution gets upheld--oh yeah

[pipoman]

47. The Constitution WILL be upheld.

That is the point. BAN ALL GUNS!!1!!1 is the cry of the day....a waste of good breath. There is a way, constitutional amendment....not going to happen in our lifetime, but that is beside the point..

The Constitution is for hiding behind. It is what keeps this country free. Like it or not, it isn't going anywhere any time soon..

[marions ghost]

50. The constitutional argument is the stupidest

one out there to justify wingnut efforts to stifle anti-gun sentiment, ESPECIALLY after what we have just seen.
Tell that one to the parents of the slain.

Really it's the wing-nuttiest argument of them all. We should not be held hostage to some antiquated literal interpretation of the constitution from the era of militias.

We HAVE a militia--it's called the National Guard. Why don't you join it and do some good somewhere.

[pipoman]

61. Ignorance of the law and history are no excuse..

both can be studied from the same instrument you are looking at right now. Don't like it? There is one and only one way to change it, constitutional amendment. That is a fact.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

40. Labeling dissenting views a talking points and propaganda is a common tactic of those

who have no argument. The prior posting is about silencing those who disagree with him and it is something he posts often.

[marions ghost]

45. oh come on

Right wing gun nut talking points are OK in your book? We all know what they are--we've had em beaten into our heads. Around here they just enflame and cancel debate. They're posted by disrupters.

Why would you defend extremist propaganda?

[pipoman]

49. LOL..

they only cancel debate if they are the truth...how can lies "cancel debate"? No, the problem is that people here have all these fabulous ideas which are obviously unconstitutional or already known to be failures. When the truths about those ideas confront the ideas being proposed, it shuts down that argument. Don't like it? Come up with something original, constitutional and demonstrably effective and it can't be shut down.

[marions ghost]

52. I could spend all day coming up with a concrete plan.

Why waste my time on you, and your fellow gun protectionists.

I want to talk about it with people who want to hear, not those who don't.

[pipoman]

62. You could try,

but without knowing the subject, it would be a middle school dissertation dismissible by a stoned 1st year law student and laughed at by the courts.

[Union Scribe]

51. Then you're going to need a lot bigger plan.

While the "gun nuts" are restrained to a group, all sorts of RW asshattery goes on in GD. So when you are through with your present apoplexy how about you start a campaign to hide drone apologists, corporate cheerleaders, education deformers, union bashers, compromise coddlers, etc etc?

[Warren Stupidity]

59. We have a TOS that covers most of the rw nuttery outside of the gungeon.

But down in the gungeon, it flourishes unmolested.

[Union Scribe]

63. Not really.

The TOS is primarily about behavior rather than ideas, other than specifically mentioned things like chemtrails and types of bigotry.

[Warren Stupidity]

65. Really. Doesn't mean jurors always get it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. Point of order...

Obama is not progressive and not all that liberal. He is more centrist in his impact.

[marions ghost]

29. The OP is talking about the offenders

--haven't you seen the tag teams of them at DU dispensing all the right wing talking points at every opportunity?

Nobody is silencing anyone who wants to talk about progressive changes.

You're not getting the point. We don't tolerate people coming here and (for ex) talking trash about Obama.
We should not tolerate this as a place to spread clearly RIGHT WING pro-gun propaganda.

It's about taking a stand against the acceptance of this propaganda machine at DU. Make them go somewhere else if they don't want to talk about reasonable solutions.

And people at DU who are Democrats/liberals need to adjust their own heads and support this restriction IMO. It is taking a stand in one of the FEW ways left to us.

[Le Taz Hot]

37. "The President is considered a progressive Democrat"

By whom? Faux Nooz? No, he is a Democrat but no progressive would let banksters get off scott free, continue the insane WOD, fully back repealing DOMA instead of pussyfooting around it for years, continue the Patriot Act, continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, keep Guantanamo Bay open, employ torture, or enact drones to kill more children. That's off the top of my head. No, Obama is, most definitely, NOT a progressive.

[baldguy]

36. Thw Dems would attract the 74% of gun owners who want more gun control.

[ileus]

31. We need a Snorker to lead the charge.

[pipoman]

32. NO MORE DEBATE!

NO MORE DISAGREEMENT! NO MORE DISCUSSION!

The 3 D's of political forums are BAD, BAD, BAD!!!11!1!! We can't beat them so BAN THEM!!!11!1!

[Warren Stupidity]

42. There is a short list of issues we just don't debate here.

I am proposing adding one more.

[marions ghost]

44. Can have debate

just not wingnut talking points interjected everywhere to enflame and STOP discussion.

You wouldn't be advocating FOR those RWers would you? I'm sure not.

[pipoman]

46. I am a Democrat who knows

the issue. If I don't agree with another Democrat on any issue, it doesn't change either of our party affiliations. Parties evolve through discussion and disagreement within the party.

[marions ghost]

48. Your views on gun control are

aggressive, judgmental, defensive, close-minded--and therefore bears a resemblance to Right Wing-ism.

If you're not one, I guess you'll have to prove it instead of just stating it (that's what all the wingers around here do-- they put out all this RW BS and then insist they're a Democrat).

[pipoman]

55. You have no idea my views on anything

my views are based on my understanding of the issue and the history of the issue. Without that understanding this is a nearly impossible issue to understand.

I've been here for 7 years and have nearly 9000 posts, I'm sick of asses accusations and believe those who make such accusations should get a pizza. Further there is nothing "right wing" about civil libertarianism..it has always been the liberal position. Either you believe in civil liberties or you pretend to believe in them...

[hobbit709]

33. how about zero tolerance for ALL nuttery.

[David__77]

54. Would that include opposition to repealing the second amendment?

I support the right to keep and bear arms. I don't want the police and armed forces to have a monopoly on arms.

[Warren Stupidity]

57. It includes opposition to meaningful gun control.

[cantbeserious]

56. Agreed DU Should Adopt A Zero Tolerance Stance On Guns

[Jonny]

58. Lets Throw Shit at the Gun Nuts

Because they have been throwing it at us for years!

I would like to not see anymore pro-gun posts on what could otherwise be a very progressive and intelligent discussion board.

Are these pro-gun people trolls?

How can one start raving in favor of guns after what just happened?

To do that is to be in full support of the shooter.

You can preface your pro gun argument by saying "I am not in favor or murder" (really now?) like some posters have done, but I dare you to face the parents of the kids killed yesterday and say that the shooter's family did and SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE the right to posses those guns.

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Throw alerts at them and hope that jurors start to get it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

66. That tactic has already failed for you and is subject to turn about

Some of the more rabid poster have seen their posts cancelled

[Warren Stupidity]

69. Actually I've rarely alerted in the past. But I will be doing so more often now.

I've had it with all of you.

[old guy]

68. I am a Liberal.

I make liberal use of the ignore feature. I put RKBA on ignore some time ago and it has been great. Some individuals show up from time to time on other threads but I know who they are and what they are about and a quick mouse click, viola! gone.