How about Dems abandoning the Abandon Harris supporters

[kansasobama]

What a nice Christmas gift?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/very-troubling-leader-of-abandon-harris-movement-now-anxious-about-trump-appointees/ar-AA1wwb5j?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=e7083253bddb443387b6845fa8f3cc69&ei=27

In interviews with NBC News, prominent members of the "Abandon Harris" maintained they made the right decision to either not vote for Vice President Kamala Harris or cast their ballot for Donald Trump despite previously being in the Democrats' camp.

As NBC's Jillian Frankel reported, members of the movement withheld their votes from Harris primarily because of President Joe Biden's policies involving the war in Gaza and now they are hoping for the best after Trump assumes power although there is a great deal of uncertainty.

According to Uncommitted National Movement co-founder Layla Elabed, the sister of Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), "There’s been many ways in which Harris chose the path of Liz Cheney and the donor class on a range of issues, and abandoning working families in places like Dearborn, who make up the people Democrats claim to be fighting for. And I think at the same time, Trump came in and fed a community that was grieving and in despair with lies and false promises.”

Bryarr Misner, who worked as a campaign manager for the Abandon Harris campaign in Pittsburgh, admitted they voted for Trump, with NBC reporting, "He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders."

As Misner explained, "President Trump, he continuously came and he was in the community. While I don’t believe that he’s going to enact policies that will benefit the community, he at least showed that he was willing to show up for the community."

One leader of the movement did admit some doubts now that he has seen some of Donald Trump's Cabinet appointments.

"Farah Khan, a co-chair of the Abandon Harris campaign in Michigan, said she’s been a lifelong Democrat, but not anymore. She viewed voting against Harris as a moral issue as the war continues to unfold," telling NBC, "Anybody with their right mind would not go back to the Democrats, because they have not shown any change, and they’re going to have to work really, really hard to win their votes back."

Addressing how Trump appealed to the Muslim community, she stated, "He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘Okay, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace. And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.”

She did express reservations over the president-elect's choice of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, an ardent evangelical Christian, as ambassador to Israel, and ex-Rep Tulsi Gabbard to oversee the Department of National Intelligence (DNI).

“It is very troubling. It’s worrisome. And some of his Cabinet picks, like Tulsi Gabbard and then Mike Huckabee, have made Muslims anxious, but we still have to wait and see how things pan out, because it’s too early to say anything about Trump, and we all know that Trump only listens [to] Trump,” Khan admitted.

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Can I add my opinion? FU Rashida, Layla and Abandon Harris supporters. May you reap what you sowed.

[Think. Again.]

1. Or...

...or we could work on uniting voters for the next elections?

[kansasobama]

2. If there are normal elections

Orban strategy says it is time to rig elections

[Think. Again.]

4. Or past time, but we still shouldn't ....

....start chasing off anyone who might be willing to fight the rightwingers.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. These folks have an uphill climb

Getting black women to vote for Palestinians over the horrors that are going to be inflicted on our community - here since 1619, leading movements, taking all of the shit sandwiches that AmeriKKKa has consistently thrown at us.

Like - if I have to choose between making sure they don't forcibly sterilize the young people in my family and Americans who are Muslim/Arab being rounded up -

I'm going to take care of my own family.

They have done this to Black Americans before. 5 of my great nieces (age 6 months to 15) are half latina.

https://bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2020/11/04/americas-forgotten-history-of-forced-sterilization/

Throughout the 20th century, nearly 70,0000 people (overwhelmingly working-class women of color) were sterilized in over 30 states. Black women, Latina women, and Native American women were specifically targeted. From the 1930s to the 1970s, nearly one-third of the women in Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, were coerced into sterilization when government officials claimed that Puerto Rico’s economy would benefit from a reduced population. Sterilization was so common that it became known as “La Operación (The Operation)” among Puerto Ricans.

I can't do both. It's not a reasonable request to ask me to care for others before the beautiful girls I share DNA with. Not a thing. Not happening.

It's happened to us before - and those folks that admitted to voting for Trump have a long row to hoe before they will get my empathy, care, or concern.

It didn't have to be this way.

[Beastly Boy]

77. Before making assumptions, I want to see some convincing evidence that they might be willing to fight the rightwingers.

Voting for Trump is not very convincing.

[brush]

129. They are pathetic, uninformed people who apparently have no idea of American policy towards...

Israel since it was created in the late 40s. Both parties, Democratic and republican have supported Israel and to think it would change because a lie-a-minute trump showed up for a minute in their community and made some vague statements is absolute foolishness.

Many of the dummies are already having second thoughts about their foolish vote.

At least Harris called for a end to the violence and killing in Gaza.

[Happy Hoosier]

7. Or....

They can go fuck themselves.

At least that's my attitude for the moment. Many of us warned against this movement. We predicited what they would do. Some here ignored, downplayed, or outright encouraged it (at least at first).

Now we're all fucked. But their "cause" perhaps most of all. If they want to recognize they fucked up and acknowledge that, that's a good place to start. Otherwise, they can stew in the shit they helped create. Fuck 'em. Tired of getting shit on by people I've tried to help.

[Think. Again.]

9. Okay. Any other significant voter blocs you want to cut away?

[Happy Hoosier]

19. Yup. Pretty much all th epoor MAGAts

I have a little list.

And just about ALL the so-called "Progressives" that have consistently undermined the party.

My anger and resentment at these fools runs very, VERY deep.

I can get over it, and will. But it sure would be fucking nice for some of these useful idiots to at least acknowledge they were wrong.

I won't hold my fucking breath.

[Think. Again.]

20. Looks like we're gonna need a smaller tent.

[yardwork]

25. I think maybe we do.

I think maybe the Democrats need to stop trying to be all things to all people and start focusing more intentionally on our core message - which happens to be what Trump and Vance lied and said they cared about: poverty.

If the Democrats stop trying to please spoiled people and focus on eliminating poverty and increasing workers rights, maybe we'll start winning again.

And all the spoiled trust-fund babies can go back to throwing red paint on Jewish people's homes and voting Republican, just like their mommies and daddies do.

[harumph]

48. DING DING DING!

[FHRRK]

80. Exactly

Basically, less is more!

Hard for some to understand, but there are some groups that need to be told to F off!

[Happy Hoosier]

93. If it means we aren't attacked from within...

I’ll take it.

I’m done trying to help people who hate me. At least for now.

[Think. Again.]

97. I don't see how reducing the number of Democratic votes will help anything.

[Walleye]

101. Except that we're talking about people that apparently aren't Democratic votes. They have their own little party.

[Walleye]

102. Except that we're talking about people that apparently aren't Democratic votes. They have their own little party.

[JustAnotherGen]

123. The thing is

In the article they are clearly not Democratic Party voters.

More eligible voters stayed home than voted for Trump.

I'd rather throw the Garbage Trumpers in the trash and motivate those who have never voted in their lives.

[marinero]

133. What democratic votes?

Those people voted for tsf, for crying out loud!

[stopdiggin]

99. people that share viewpoints or vote MAGA or Trump

really are not inside or included in any tent that I care to inhabit (or would indeed describe as Democratic). So - despite your trying to reframe the question - I'm losing no sleep over the departure of 'voters' exhibiting this behavior.

Never my friends - a part of the coalition - or a reliable ally in the first place.

[allegorical oracle]

146. That's the inevitable outcome if we can't unite. Apparently, it's already happening if

large groups of people are voting for the opposition over a single issue. The Dems were/are far more concerned with Gaza's plight than were/are the Repugs.

[WhiteTara]

31. they made the cut.

[Think. Again.]

32. No, I was clearly referring to the post I replied to.

[wnylib]

105. Isn't it more accurate to say that they cut themselves away from us,

and not the other way around?

They formed an opposition bloc specifically to defeat Harris and elect Mr. Trump. They spent last spring and the summer working first against Biden and then against Harris. Their demonstrations were anti Semitic and pro Hamas. Their support for Hamas, which terrorizes Palestinians as much as Israel, shows that they do not support the Palestinian people.

There are other people to focus on, i.e. the working and middle classes of all backgrounds who are struggling to survive in a billionaire world.

[Wiz Imp]

111. significant voter blocs ?

Abandon Harris (which I never even heard of) is far from a "significant voting bloc"

[hatrack]

137. They were in MIchigan . . . .

.

[comradebillyboy]

10. Indeed. Trying to placate uncompromising

zealots is not a productive or winning strategy.

[yardwork]

26. This.

[johnnyfins]

79. yep. they basically said they voted for TSF

Because he showed up and told them what he wanted to hear...

[displacedvermoter]

22. How do you recommend doing so?

Voters whose leadership admit "Trump only listens
to Trump" but vote for him anyway, hoping for the best, are pretty hard to unite with.

[Think. Again.]

23. I believe they will learn quickly...

...what a mistake they made, and I think we should be ready to welcome them back.

[yardwork]

34. Welcome them back how? What concessions should be made?

What bills should be watered down or abandoned to get their vote, only to have them vote Republican again?

What rewards should be given to Rashida Tlaib to "welcome her back" and what will it cost us with our loyal constituents, who reliably vote Democratic every election?

To be specific, what issue that matters to Black women should be abandoned in order to welcome back Muslim Arab voters?

Because that's what "welcoming back" means. It doesn't mean saying nice things about them on DU. It means making political sacrifices in order to woo them back. Is it worth it?

[Think. Again.]

40. The OP I replied to is certainly not the way.

[yardwork]

45. Saying mean things about people on DU has zero impact.

Saying nice things about people on DU also has zero impact.

If you're serious about "welcoming back" Muslim Arabs who voted for Trump, the Democratic Party is going to have to make major concessions to this voting bloc. And it's a voting bloc that is already quite conservative. Many Muslim Arab voters don't like gay people, their religion is inherently deeply sexist, and many of them aren't too keen about Black people, either. So what are you going to give them?

[Think. Again.]

49. You do realize we are not in a vacuum, right?

So far, this OP has 874 views.

DU is an open, publicly accessible site that a lot of non-members look to in order to gauge Democratic Party sentiment.

[yardwork]

51. ....

I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at you, but at the utter absurdity of all this.

[Think. Again.]

54. I don't see the humor.

[yardwork]

57. I know.

Excuse me, I'm laughing uncontrollably and must sign off for a while.

[DeepWinter]

70. I believe

Yardwork is "laughing" because here we are concerned how we look(to people outside of DU), rather than concerned how we are.

If I'm reading to room right.

[Think. Again.]

76. Then perhaps they shouldn't have posted...

....that how we are doesn't matter to people outside DU, or inside.

"Saying mean things about people on DU has zero impact

Saying nice things about people on DU also has zero impact. "

[Happy Hoosier]

94. Then I expect an apology.

Their idiocy will hurt a lot of people. I’m willing to reconnect with them when and if they admit that their tactics were not just a monumental error in judgment but an actual harm to this country and its people. If they can’t do that, then they’ll just do it again.

[Think. Again.]

98. I don't see how...

...letting them know they are not wanted will result in an apology.

[JI7]

37. They oppose LGBT . They are interests are closer to right wing Christians

[Think. Again.]

42. Then so be it...

....if that camp will welcome them, we must move on.

[Beastly Boy]

74. If their aim is to divide, you cannot force them to unite with you.

The best you can do is to appease them. They made it clear that the price for appeasement is to sacrifice Kamala, the symbol of our unity.

Fuck them and their demands.

And that, BTW, goes for anyone who is bent on dividing us.

[Think. Again.]

113. The author of the OP might not be happy to hear that.

[Beastly Boy]

115. Nor sure about the OP, but many people, not only those addressed in the OP, will certainly be unhappy to hear this

Especially the last sentence of my post.

That was my intent, actually.

[Think. Again.]

116. If the OP, indeed even just the title of OP...

...isn't divisive to you, then I don't know how to explain the word "divisive" to help you understand it.

[Beastly Boy]

118. OP as in "Original Poster", whom you referred to, the OP whose happiness or displeasure with my post I am not sure of

or cared enough to address.

And just in case it is not clear enough, I didn't reply to the original post, I replied to yours. This makes either the original poster or the original post unnecessary for you to explain to me, nor did I request any such explanation.

But you are welcome to try and address MY post should you find anything else in it that is unclear to you.

[Think. Again.]

120. nah.

[H2O Man]

100. But wait!

Aren't there advantages to being pure that outweigh winning elections? Isn't it better to hold grudges that insure future defeats? I mean, if the chip on one's shoulder is pure, doesn't it allow for a sense of moral superiority that makes losing all the more worth-while?

[Think. Again.]

112. Isn't it possible...

....they tried a political move to achieve something they deeply cared about and lost the gambit?

Much like the Democrats just did?

[yardwork]

3. "We all know Trump only listens to Trump."

Thinking that was her first, but not last, mistake.

This entire travesty was created by Putin to turn Democratic voters against Biden. The rhetoric is so familiar - straight from 2016.

[BunkieBandit]

78. Evidently some people are blaming Hamas

and October 7 for what happened to Madame Vice President election loss as well as Putin and his cronies. And many university campus too. President Biden did his best to hold back Israel too.

[EYESORE 9001]

5. I foresee a great number of opportunities ahead where all this shit won't amount to a tinker's damn

All the crises that lie ahead will focus minds away from internecine skirmishes like this.

[rubbersole]

61. Yes. Shit is going to hit the fan.

And it will cover/embarrass/adversely impact us all. Let us hope we'll be able to rectify the worst of it. The country's reputation on the international stage might not recover. Sorry kids...most of us tried.

[Felicita]

90. The s_ _ t didn't hit the fan hard enough

from 2016-2020. People didn't learn or didn't want to learn how bad for the country and humanity this orange maniac is. It's hard to believe the anti-Harris muslims forgot the muslim ban in the first Dump administration. Oh well, maybe they'll learn this time.......maybe......

[JustAnotherGen]

6. And folks

Wonder why the 92% are just sitting here like

Like - these folks cared more about people in Palestine than they did about those of us here since 1619 - leading movements.

No more.

My family, my community - that's it. My job is to make sure my family are the *lucky ones*.

I'm not lifting a finger to help them. Whatever happens - happens.

They own this. It's on them.

"Anybody with their right mind would not go back to the Democrats, because they have not shown any change, and they’re going to have to work really, really hard to win their votes back."


"Bryarr Misner, who worked as a campaign manager for the Abandon Harris campaign in Pittsburgh, admitted they voted for Trump, with NBC reporting

Silly rabbit - trix are for kids.

[comradebillyboy]

15. "Silly rabbit - trix are for kids."

One of my wife's favorite expressions.

Happy holidays.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Walking in the Rain

If you listen until the very end!

[Keepthesoulalive]

36. They didn't care about the Palestinians

They wanted attention and they will get it and possibly deported. The Palestinians have been nothing more than a bargaining tool for horrible people on both sides and they will suffer more because of arrogant self serving idiots.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Many of these folks

Are 2nd and 3rd generation Americans. Their performance has created a problem of hell for their community.

[Keepthesoulalive]

50. For all of us

This I’m going to punish the president because I didn’t get my attention fix is going to hurt the whole world. All we can do right now is watch it burn , mainly the Middle East.

[JI7]

39. They don't even care about Palestine other than using it

to get their hatred of Jews on.

[quaker bill]

8. Of course he will finish the war

He said that Israel was not going fast enough. He will make it faster and likely more deadly. I believe he likes the plan where Israel annexes and resettles the northern half of Gaza. That is the version of 'peace' he prefers. He has no problem with them killing as many folks as it takes to get it done, he just wants it done faster.

[Think. Again.]

11. Gaza will become the newest luxury waterside resort...

...count on it.

[Ritabert]

14. Kushner already leaked their plan to bulldoze Gaza

.....for seaside condos.

[Think. Again.]

16. Yup.

[sarisataka]

28. It is what the Abandon Harris voters chose to vote for

but it was more important to them to teach Democrats a lesson- do you feel educated?

[Think. Again.]

30. I believe they were actually...

...more immediately concerned about actual Palestinian lives being lost on a daily basis.

[sarisataka]

33. Their choice will cost more Palestinian lives both daily and in the long term.

They knew it and chose that path anyway.

[Think. Again.]

38. I disagree...

...it was clear they were only trying to achieve a quick end to the massacres.

It's true they failed, but that was their goal.

[JI7]

41. No, it's not clear. They say hateful things about Biden and Harris

that they never say about Trump.

And they just hate Jewish people. Their concern for Palestine only goes as far as using it as an excuse to hate Jewish people.

[yardwork]

56. The evidence supports your conclusion.

Also, if you polled the Muslim Arabs who voted for Trump in MI and PA, I expect their beliefs would align very closely with the GOP platform, across the board.

[sarisataka]

46. There was/is no choice that gives a quick end

however there was a choice:

Choose the party that while supporting Israel is trying to negotiate an end to the conflict and the suffering of the Palestinian people
-or-
Choose the party that is already making plans to build resorts on the rubble of the Palestinian's homes after they are gone

One of those was clearly closer to their goal, yet it did not matter when it came to their vote.
Perhaps there was another goal which was more important- they failed at that as well.

[Think. Again.]

53. They were very specific about...

...demanding the U.S. stop supplying Israel with weapons, period.

Their concern was for the immediate stop of the massacres.

[sarisataka]

58. And they made their choice

to support the side that will not only continue supplying Israel but will actively encourage more aggressive tactics...

How does that support their goal? Unless the expectation is Hamas can keep hiding behind Palestinian civilians for four more year until the Democrats return on bended knee to beg for their votes. It seems pretty clear voting for Harris would save years of suffering by building on Biden's efforts.

[thucythucy]

106. Please point out for me where Trump said

he would "stop supplying Israel with weapons, period."

If that was their goal, they've failed miserably, and were deluded to the point of hallucinating to think it could ever happen under a Trump administration.

Here's an analogy: it's 1861 and I want an immediate end to slavery. That's why I'm going to support Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy. I bet that'll teach the Union a lesson.

Said no abolitionist, ever.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

134. 👍

Exactly right. Can't see how this wasn't/isn't obvious to everyone.

[yardwork]

59. Or maybe they succeeded at their goal.

Setting aside the vaguely whiny quotes being handed out to media, maybe this is how it's going down:

They're looking forward to tax breaks, deregulation, and the government's retreat from civil rights for people they don't like. They're looking forward to the Trump administration.

If Trump makes things worse for Palestinians in Gaza, well, that might not happen... and if it does, there will be a big opportunity to continue grousing and complaining about a situation that doesn't really affect the lives of wealthy Muslim Arabs whose families have been living in Dearborn since the 1950s.

[sarisataka]

63. There have always been those in the Middle East community

who have been willing to sacrifice every drop of Palestinian blood in the struggle against Israel. This time it comes with additional benefits.

But what if Trump starts talking a Muslim ban again? "We survived four years of him before, we can survive another four"

[yardwork]

69. Voters are citizens.

Trump can't legally deport citizens, and why would he deport citizens who voted for him?

Will the wealthy voters in Dearborn care if non-citizens are deported? Maybe? Will it really happen to their families? Unlikely.

It's the same miscalculation that the Democratic Party made about Latino voters. If you can vote, you're a citizen. Lots of Latino citizens are resentful of undocumented immigrants. And Hispanic/Latino is a very diverse identification. Puerto Ricans whose families have lived in New York for generations are insulted at the suggestion that they are the same group as undocumented people from
Mexico or Honduras. Cuban Americans in south Florida are not happy about undocumented people coming from communist nations. Mexican Americans in AZ who've been here for generations are not happy that others seem to be getting better deals.

Over and over, people forget that other people are just like us, with all our petty resentments and points of view. Humans are bad at seeing the big picture.

[sarisataka]

71. "I got mine" is cross cultural

historically we have seen it as immigrants arrived in waves, Irish, Swedes, Poles, Italians..., Chinese on the west coast

All the same reasons have been given for scapegoating the new arrivals jobs, health, benefits

[yardwork]

73. We are all the same. All full of human flaws.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

85. They're still stupid if they think Trump's better

No sympathy from me.

[JustAnotherGen]

124. And American lives

[happy feet]

66. THIS!

Anyone paying attention knows this. Yet, they choose to believe a pathological liar's promises to end the war and negotiate peace with out asking 'how he plans to do'? In fact, the media NEVER asks him how he plans to carry out his absurd promises --- that's why people are in la la land believing in the liar's promises which he has given zero thought to how he would accomplish --- except the tax cuts for the wealthy and retribution against his 'perceived' enemies, of course.

[quaker bill]

138. He sold them a tax increase

by pretending that China and Mexico will pay it. He has and will have absolutely no means to charge China or Mexico a penny. We will pay all of it.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. "It's too early to say anything about Trump."

Were these people in comas since 2016?

[3auld6phart]

13. Tyottally

Agree with that last sentence. Gawd damn turncoats. Fry in hell with that Maggots.

[mopinko]

21. it's funny. since 11/5

i havent seen the watermelon crew on xitter. recent bombings were barely talked about.

things that make u go hmmm. or not.

[yardwork]

27. Russian propaganda, start to finish.

[mopinko]

103. smelled funny from day 1 to many of us.

[Arazi]

107. Many of us said that. Loudly

Fairly sure I’m still blocked by a substantial number of DUers for pointing this out

[yardwork]

114. You're in good company.

[LeftInTX]

89. I know! Where are they?

[mopinko]

104. pushing some other lies.

it was so clearly orchestrated….

[delisen]

24. Trump never deviated from his alliance with Netanyahu and Christian Nationalists

Netanyahu was openly pro Trump and openly anti-Biden
Kushner, Trump’s son in law was open about his plan to develop Gaza as prime waterfront property. He never indicated he wanted to do this for benefit of Palestinians
Trump openly worked against Palestinians during his first term
Trump: not Harris,is the well-known opportunist and liar

I do not find the reasons put forward by the Abandon Harris faction to be credible.

Right now if they truly believe that they got Trump elected they could be demanding that Trump be accountable to them. Yet they are presenting themselves as helpless and dependent upon the mercy of a strongman with no history of mercy.

They attacked and abandoned Harris, yet they act powerless against Trump. Something does not add up.

The killing in Gaza is horrific. Working for Trump and against Harris made no sense.

[yardwork]

29. Only two possibilities:

1. Like many people who voted for Trump, their whining about the Democrats was just cover for their intention, all along, to vote for the Republican. They were always going to vote Republican and they're just stirring shit when they claim "the Democrats abandoned us."

2. Or, they were totally brainwashed by Russian propaganda and Trump's lies.

[Arazi]

109. Most Muslims are socially conservative

And have been steadily moving away from Dems because of our acceptance of LGBTQ folks into the tent. Our open advocacy for their rights is offensive to them in fact.

The trans issue was blown up into a major campaign theme by Rs and certainly resonated with many Muslims.

Tbh, I’m not sure we would have had Muslims in the Dem camp this year anyway. The I/P war just put a punctuation point on what was an inevitable shift imo

[JustAnotherGen]

125. I'm back to the same place

Non voters are where its at. Motivate those folks.

[Arazi]

128. 1000% agreed

Let the Arab-American cohort go. I’m so over trying to pander to this fickle group.

Put more resources and energy into new projects. I’m beyond frustrated at Dems shutting out voices like AOC, Maxwell Frost, the TN 4, David Hogg …

[JustAnotherGen]

130. Lauren Underwood

https://underwood.house.gov/

This woman is amazing. Her legislative accomplishments are outstanding. She'll be Speaker some day.

I'd like to see Buttigieg in Party Leadership.

Jeffries and my Senator Booked are amazing. They both have that Gen X Cynicism that the Magat Party has tapped into.

Booker should be a key face and voice in the Party.

[Arazi]

131. She's a star

It’s crazy that Dems aren’t capitalizing on promoting these folks.

Yet here we are…

[andym]

117. Where were the ads showing Netanyahu praising/endorsing Trump in MI?

Were there any?

[cadoman]

119. IMO their reasoning is simply: the genocide is happening under Biden

While their support seems illogical if you only look at the rhetoric, if you factor in death, destruction, and loss of territory, they did have it better under the previous admin.

Israel is achieving amazing success with their military operation right now and is well on the way from converting "the horrors of October 7th" into Greater Israel. They have dislocated an entire people and competing religion under the generally-accepted view of self-defense and are now free to rule and rebuild that land as they see fit. They will have a plentitude of newly impoverished people who will be desperate to work and unable to negotiate--already present on site. Very nicely executed.

Now don't get me wrong, if the Muslims were winning they would undoubtedly be quite happy with Biden for allowing them to openly engage.

[JI7]

35. I never considered them to be democrsts or liberals

I never considered them to be on my side.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

43. Hope they get a big taste of the shit sandwich they voted for.

[ecstatic]

47. So frustrating

Our first priority should have been to protect ourselves so that we could continue pressuring those in power to protect innocent civilians in Gaza.

Enabling trump was the most stupid and shortsighted thing they could do. Did they give 2 shits about what's going on with the Supreme Court? Did they forget about the immunity ruling?

Now all of us are fucked and we will continue to be for a long time. trump doesn't give a solitary fuck about Gaza--he just sees prime real estate. Undoing the damage in the US and Gaza 4 years from now might be impossible. Great job, guys! You thought you were putting Harris back in her place, but she will be absolutely fine.

[pazzyanne]

52. You can't fix stupid! nt

[awesomerwb1]

60. Absolutely ridiculous.

Never been a fan of R T. With friends like her, who needs enemies.

[1WorldHope]

62. And middle east politics comes to america.

Full of irrational emotion. Just what we need.

[hadEnuf]

64. They can enjoy Trump then.

He got their votes because he went to their neighborhood?

I doubt he'll be back again. He isn't going to need votes next time, remember?

Fools.

[AverageOldGuy]

65. Do not allow

them back into the Democratic Party. Tell them to call their Savior and see if he answers.

[Clouds Passing]

67. STUPID FOOLS!

[usonian]

68. Karma. They are going to find out all the good that they did, and think about doing it again.

[BradBo]

72. Trump hates Muslims you fiking morons.

[PennRalphie]

75. Prominent member from Pittsburgh

Bryarr Misner is such a household name in Democratic circles that nobody’s ever heard of him or this “movement”.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

81. Stupid

Trump isn't going to be kinder to their cause.

[jayschool2013]

82. Lying works

"Lie to us, and make us feel good. Even though we know you're lying, we'll vote for you because we liked your lies."

Fuck that.

[sarisataka]

84. One word-

Reagan

[Autumn]

83. How dumb would it be to tell people who vote to fuck off?

There seems to be an assumption that people owe their votes to politicians. It doesn't work like that it. The candidate has to work to get those votes.

[Montauk6]

92. I'm curious then

What strenuous work did Trump do to earn the votes of groups his past actions and future promises clearly antagonize?

It seems like Democrats are constantly working their asses off trying to help Americans and the country while hanging on by their fingernails. Republicans just lie, deny and evade. Oh, forgot to mention how part of the Dem chore list is cleaning up the eventual mess the Republicans leave.

Seems to me it’s the other way around on the who owes whom.

[Autumn]

96. He lied to them and they believed him. And the media...

[GoodRaisin]

86. These are some really dumb people.

They should be very worried. The next visit they get might be Trump’s boy Homan.

[peggysue2]

87. If you're only willing to listen to lies and/or what you want to hear?

Then you vote for the guy who feeds you lies non-stop.

As for waiting for things to pan out??

Thirty thousand+ lies told in Agent Orange's first term is a clear indication of 'how things will pan out.' And unless there's been collective amnesia, one of his first acts was a MUSLIM BAN.

No one in this group or any other can say they were not warned, multiple times.

We were all standing at the edge of the of the abyss before the election. The self-righteous decided to jump into the darkness.

[634-5789]

88. They're all cowards. Every damned one of them.

[littlemissmartypants]

91. Absolute idiocy and ego. ...

Self-aggrandisement at the expense of everything and everyone else.

This is what you get when one psychopath believes in another psychopath.

I spit in their general direction.

[MustLoveBeagles]

95. I don't know where to begin

[LetMyPeopleVote]

108. Why Trump's hardline position on U.S. policy in Gaza matters

Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.

Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.

Link to tweet

At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.

TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.

[Deep State Witch]

110. When The Felon Rolls Out Muslim Ban 2.0

Or starts deporting them, I wonder how many of them will be begging for help?

Too bad, so sad. Enjoy getting your face eaten by leopards.

[BannonsLiver]

121. You can't fix stupid.

[standingtall]

122. They sound like morons

Probably educated people who think with their emotions instead of their brain cells. Trump might end the war in Palestine by ending Palestine altogether allowing Israel to do whatever it wants turning it into a parking lot and building resorts there. They've subjected Palestine and themselves to the mercy of the Trump administration for at least 4 years all, because they wanted to punish Democrats. Congrats morons you played yourself.

U.S. elections are binary decisions and the demand for the Biden/Harris administration to reverse decades maybe 50 plus years of U.S foreign policy was completely unreasonable. Although we appreciate the support of Arab Americans they are not the only constituents we have and if Biden did what they demanded it may have cost us with other constituents. Gaza also isn't the only place in the world where genocide is going on either. Been happening in the Congo for longer and some of the people who were funding the genocide in Congo had their assets frozen by the Biden administration and you can bet those assets will be unfrozen by the Trump administration.

Worth mentioning I believe the people living in Palestine would've preferred anyone, but Trump and most Arab Americans Nationally supported Harris just some entitled activist in key swing States especially Michigan. Who possibly cost us this election if not directly then indirectly with their toxic influence.

[Arazi]

126. Yup. The loss of Jewish support is far more dire than Muslims

They’re a far more reliable Dem voting block.

We’ve crushed a lot of goodwill with our Jewish friends trying to appease a group that was trending away from us anyway

[LeftInTX]

127. Notice how all the protests ended as soon as Trump won? They got what they wanted!

[obamanut2012]

145. Yup, I did notice that

Even the astroturfing on Reddit, including on the celeb gossip subreddits like Fauxmoi, which were highly anti Harris because she was a "Zionist."

[betsuni]

132. These "Uncommitted to Reality, Abandon all Common Sense and Reason" episodes of The Trump Show are fabulous!

The characters are even dumber than the regular Trump supporters! Pretending to be Democrats but despising and lie-bashing the Democratic Party has become so popular the last decade or so, and enough idiots believe it quite easily.

[JCMach1]

135. How about let the people decide in a meaningful and fair

Primary campaign?

[msfiddlestix]

136. Some day, far into the future, we will learn that this is/was Putin Op modeled after so many others in the past

just classic.

[returnee]

142. Agreed.

The political maneuvers behind the Hamas attack are likely quite intricate and may never be known. The fact that it worked out so well for TSFConvict suggests Putin’s involvement. IMHO.

[Meowmee]

139. It was a mistake to invite more antisemites into the party

in the first place… some were already here. This is one of the major mistakes the party has made in the past 10 years or more. Probably longer than that but the more recent elections I think were over the past 8 to 10 years.

When I saw this happening and other things that they were doing I was not happy with it obviously but I have no choice so I will keep voting for Democrats. I always vote for the candidate. I always vote for what is going to be the best result for everybody in my opinion. And I don’t complain if I don’t like the candidate like many do in this party I just vote for whoever it is. I don’t need to be excited etc. and that was true when I was 24 years old when I became a citizen and first started voting I voted in every election since then.

The past year has been a very trying and traumatic time to see the vile antisemitism and support of terrorism on the streets in this country and across the world. . It was all set to go and already orchestrated the day after 10 seven, that should tell you something.

[LiberalFighter]

140. What do I have to say about that group? They are stupid.

They have tunnel vision and that includes those that are or were Democrats.

That includes elected Democratic members. It calls into question their ability to make sound judgements about people. Especially after everything that we all know abou Trump and his people.

[Patton French]

141. Stupid is as stupid does...

NT

[Blue_Tires]

143. Fuck Khan and fuck Misner

They chose to get in bed with the angry orange idiot, so they'd better get comfortable.

[Blue_Tires]

144. When I said we as Americans are too fucking dumb to save ourselves

I wasn't just talking about the Trumpers 🫤