Eggs, cheese, dairy, meat ..

[FirstLight]

Well people it looks like we're all going to end up being on plant-based diets. I'm out here in Cali and there's no eggs to be found and there was signs about bird flu in the grocery stores and I think that's why milk has gone up and I bet you that's why meat is going up. This isn't just about us getting reamed by the grocery stores and conglomerates...
This is going to be an interesting year if we're heading into it in a state of emergency and these food prices are not going to come down ,especially if we lose all these herds of animals

[Attilatheblond]

1. Lay in a supply of lentils, and collect recipes from India.

[MissB]

59. one of my favs is Red Lentil Dal

I use the recipe here. I often make it as a half recipe and it still provides enough for at least three meals for dh and I. I'll often freeze leftovers with rice so that I can pop it into the microwave for a quick lunch. It really does get better the next day, and the day after.

Note that it uses coconut milk, which is often imported. I think there are some US brands though. Point being, stock up if you use coconut milk.

[womanofthehills]

68. Make sure those lentils are organic

Grains, beans, chick peas, lentils- heavily pesticided. Often desiccated before harvest.

[madinmaryland]

2. Soylent Green is coming.

[FirstLight]

4. yeah, that's what I was thinking

[lame54]

25. Cool Ranch

[Stardust Mirror]

3. No worries, Drumpf will remove food safety regulations and inspections and then

there won't be any more reports of dangerous foods

like Covid in Florida

[3Hotdogs]

9. What? Don't you agree with me that there are too many regulations? If we could get rid of regulations

we would all be free to prosper.

[Trueblue Texan]

12. Oh yeah! that's the ticket! nt

[Walleye]

40. Part of the propaganda is always referring to them as "burdensome regulations"

People gotta get it through their heads, all these guys want to do is make money, they don’t care about normal every day Americans. I think one thing we know by now, money is more important to them than people

[rubbersole]

16. Hey, that's not fair picking on Florida...

...while we're in collective mourning. We're crushed by Lara T*ump not going to represent us regular folks in the US Senate. But we must find the strength to move on...

[Dem4life1970]

22. Bahahahahaha!!!

[Retrograde]

5. Eggs are available here

but prepare for sticker shock (OK, I live in one of the more expensive parts of the state: the cheapest in the store I frequent - organic cage-free eggs - are going for $5/dozen, although if I want to spend the gas money to go further afield they're cheaper) and the store I was in on Monday was limiting to 2 cartons/person. And I think things are going to get worse before they get better.

[druidity33]

43. $5 a dozen is pretty cheap.

Our local coop sells organic eggs for between 7 and 10 dollars a dozen. I'm in MA. That's been the price for a couple of years...

[Blappy]

7. Eat local & grow local

know your source

[wnylib]

27. Local is not necessarily safer. Birds migrate.

They travel long distances. And they are everywhere.

[BoRaGard]

39. What you said - cheap eggs suck

compare "bargain price" eggs with those grown by a local farmer. Crack them, and put them side by side in a bowl. Take a look. No comparison. Cheap eggs suck.

[Elessar Zappa]

60. Not everyone can afford that.

In my experience, local is usually more expensive.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

8. No eggs whatsoever?

And if you think about it, eggs at one dollar each are really not that bad.

[Conjuay]

49. It's a days' work for a chicken.

That’s cheap labor.

[JanMichael]

10. The law of unintended consequences.

Factory animal farming may go the way of the dodo. The environment would improve.

Good.

[wnylib]

28. Free range chickens are at just as great of a risk as factory farm chickens.

As outdoor animals, they are exposed to wild birds that might be infected.

[womanofthehills]

65. Except free range chickens are way healthier to begin with

Healthier also because they are getting Vit D from sun and hopefully not eating pesticide GM0 grain.

I love having my own chickens. I only feed them organic food. Sick chicken’s don’t last long so if your chicken is looking happy and lays you an egg it’s probably good.

[wnylib]

72. True that healthy animals and people generally get sick less often and

recover well if they do get sick. I hope that will be the case with your chickens.

Sometimes a new virus can be a challenge even to healthy, strong immune systems. We saw that with covid. Some people with healthy lifestyles, who ate well, exercised regularly, took vitamins, and rarely got sick, ended up in an ICU with covid.

The nature of the virus and the amount of viral load that a person or animal is exposed to are factors. This current virus is classified as HPAI ( highly pathogenic avian influenza) - a high chance of illness for animals and people if exposed.

There have been infections in free range chickens and free range dairy herds.

Here are some tips from a Minnesota university on protecting home flocks.

https://extension.umn.edu/poultry-health/avian-influenza-basics-noncommercial-poultry-flock-owners

[Trueblue Texan]

11. I've inadvertently been eating a wfpb diet since Jan this year....

During the holidays, I've subjected myself to lots of dairy and meat substances only to learn I no longer like these things. Changing to WFPB is going to help the entire planet, I suspect.

[mahina]

13. I'll bite. What is wfrb? Whole Foods Peanut Butter?

[rubbersole]

19. That's closer than my first guess...

...waffles, flapjacks, pancakes and biscuits.
Started thinking about heading to Denny's.

[Trueblue Texan]

47. wfrb is a typo

It was supposed to be wfpb or whole food plant-based. Sorry. I was drinking. oops!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. I hope that whiskey was distilled locally from local organic corn or rye.

We need standards.

Cheers!

[calimary]

14. Begging your pardon, and I probably ought to know anyway

but what does WFPB stand for?

Only think I can think of is What the Fuck Peanut Butter. And surely that can’t be right!

[Lilithschyld]

15. Whole food, plant based diet. 😋

[wnylib]

29. Wash fresh fruits and vegetables very carefully before eating them..

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Bacteria, like e-colii can be on plant foods.

Don't know about this H5N1 virus. It is present in standing water due to the spread of the virus in water fowl. Infected birds drop poop as they fly over farms, gardens, fields, lakes, etc.

I have been wondering about water runoff from farms where cows and chickens are infected. If it gets into groundwater, can it affect plants? Researchers are testing the possibility of wells and water reservoirs (human drinking water) becoming sources of infection. They are testing the amount of chlorine needed to keep drinking and bathing water safe.

[La Coliniere]

48. Washing produce in salt water is a great way to get rid of toxins.

I’ve seen comparative studies that show salt water does a better job than vegetable wash detergents in cleaning produce. I’ve been doing this for many years, even with organic produce. Just give those veggies a good rinse afterwards to remove the salt.

[mahina]

30. Aha!

OIGIN

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Ok I get it now

Thank you

[calimary]

63. Well, that makes sense. THANKS, Lilithschyld!

Not sure I could have guessed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Inadvertently? Forgot to buy meat? Couldn't find the meat aisle? Somebody stole all the knives?

How does one switch from meat to plant-based without intending to do so?

[MLAA]

52. Welcome aboard!

Glad you feel better, so do I. 🙂

[slightlv]

17. Im thinking it might be worthg

Going in with another couple on a whole beef as well as farm fresh eggs, etc. More pricy original outlay, but may be the way to go for the long haul... once we could buy a freezer. Already items are missing from stores and I nearly had a heart attack when I saw a cost of 155.59% on a xmas roast. What normal person can afford that? Geesh, hamburger is nearly $10/lb. That used to be the poor persons meat!

Im on cellphone. Forgive typos please. Tiny kbs with a mind of its own for spellcheck!

[womanofthehills]

67. Organic carrots had a recall

A few months ago I could not get organic carrots anywhere. I like fresh carrot juice and my chickens love shredded carrots. There was an E. coli breakout and it was disappointing to find out all the different brands of organic carrots- labeled differently for Whole Foods or Walmart - all come from same carrot farm. I just started some carrot seeds in my windows.

[Meowmee]

18. I think that is mainly in California so far anyway

Here in NY the price of eggs is not that bad at least at Costco, it’s the same. I did not buy any of the ones that were recalled and there’s no signs about anything. I don’t eat any raw meat or dairy. Only pasteurized, milk, etc. and I make sure everything I eat is properly cooked. You cannot get this flu from dairy or meat that is pasteurized / properly cooked.

A plant-based diet is not healthy for everyone and I would never do that intentionally. I can’t do it for many health reasons. I did it in the past for a couple of years and that was when I became very ill so never again unless I am forced to.

[slightlv]

20. Ah but i saw Costco has a huge egg recall

Highest level order for salmonella. Our food is not being inspected and offered to us... at any price... with assurances it won't sicken or kill you. I remember having these types of discussions in my world history and civics classes about russia... along with long bread lines and empty shelves. The latter,, like I said I'm already experiencing from grocery stores to Walmart.

[Meowmee]

23. Yes so did I see that.

I did not purchase any of the ones that were recalled. And since I cook my food properly, it would still be very unlikely for me to contract salmonella from it. Not all but many transmittable bacteria, parasites, and viruses, etc. are killed by heat.

If it wasn’t being inspected at all there would’ve been no recall so it seems like they’re doing their job. However, salmonella is always a risk with any uncooked foods like that.

So far, no empty shelves here. Although we certainly had them during the pandemic.

[Dem4life1970]

21. We should all note the current prices of all of these things to remind voters in 2026

[nmmi]

31. I type all my grocery receipts in. I am prepared. Dec 23: Eggs $5/dozen, Ground beef 80% $6.00/lb. Milk $3.30/gal.

as an example of items people are talking about in this thread. First suburb north of Minneapolis.

They made a big boo boo in my favor - they weighed 4 Honeycrisp apples as being 0.149 lbs!!. Last time I bought them, 4 apples weighed 2.12 lbs. So, based on that, they undercharged me by about 1.97 lb. The price is $3.00/lb so $5.91 saved. Has never happened before that I recall.

(Years ago at another store they misidentified tomatoes, more than once, charging me for a higher priced type. That's when I started preferring self-checkout).

Same store: I got loose organic carrots at $2.49/lb. I was using self-checkout, and there wasn't any entry for loose organic carrots. I asked for help, and she just rang up the $1.50/lb ordinary variety of carrots. I told her the tag below the carrots said $2.49/lb. She just shrugged, and left it at $1.50/lb.

[Kaleva]

24. I have 4 chickens that keep my wife and I supplied with eggs

It took a year of attending every monthly town board meeting and every town planning commission meeting before I was granted a variance which allowed us to keep up to 4 hens. We've had the chickens on our property since the beginning of October.

[MissB]

54. Yay! I'm lucky to live in an unincorporated part of my county

Which means I’m free from City-imposed limits.

My youngest brought home the baby chickens that his kindergarten class raised one spring. Two decades later, I still keep hens. Every few years I add a few. This past spring, I added 10, doubling the size of my flock. I let the old ladies live out their natural lives so I’ve lost a few of my aging flock this year, bringing my current total to 17.

Since DH retired, he’s taken to doing the morning chores while I take care of the deeper cleaning on the weekends. One of our older hens is blind, and he carries her out each morning and puts her in a separate portion of the pen for a few hours so she gets all the food and water she needs.

Our coop is large and fully covered. Nothing can get in or on the coop area. I used to let them out to free range but haven’t in more than a year because of bird flu concerns. Luckily we built a giant hen house and enclosed run for them so they get plenty of space and all the privacy they need/want. Bit I’m sure they miss being out in the bamboo stand next to their coop.

Meanwhile in the darkest part of winter, I’m still getting 3 eggs a day. Most of the year I’m handing out dozens of eggs a week to nearby relatives.

[Aussie105]

26. In a few words . . .

Potato soup.
Onion soup.
Carrot soup.
Lentil soup.
Turnip soup.

For the adventurous sort . . . combine any of the above.
Add spices where appropriate, but only if available.

Throw in some tube spaghetti and pretend the more solid bits in the soup are meat.
Add beef or chicken stock cubes for that authentic pretend flavor!

Enjoy!

(My wife the militant vegetarian made me type this.
I had some meat over Xmas though, something unidentifiable on a skewer, and a sausage, snuck them into my mouth at our grand-daughter's place while wife wasn't watching.
Got caught eating 2 prawns, but.)

[Bread and Circuses]

32. I'm vegan...I've been telling everyone

To slowly make the change to vegetarian and then plant-based!

And we save animals from cruelty.
The bonus for us is our health.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. You've confused me

To slowly make the change to vegetarian and then plant-based!

How can you be vegetarian without being plant-based? Completely artificial 3D printed factory food made from molecular raw materials and then switch to plant based?

[nmmi]

37. I think vegetarian is doesn't eat meat. Whereas vegan is that, and also no animal products like milk or eggs

vegan = wholly plant based.

[Bread and Circuses]

38. Hi, let me explain

This is a step down approach

Start by eliminating red meat, next other meats.
After that eliminate fish.
So now, you’re vegetarian and are still eating dairy and eggs,

Once you’ve learned new recipes and feel comfortable.

Eliminate dairy and eggs,
Now you’re vegan or plant-based.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. Thanks. I guess the definition is loose because as you say there are steps and gradations. . . . nt

[flvegan]

33. "...we're all going to end up being on plant-based diets..." The horror.

I'm just here for the responses. Do carry on.

[Raine]

35. I'm vegan, already plant-basd 🙂

A better way to eat for people, animals and the planet.

[Vegan4life]

41. I've been vegan for 20 years.

Vegetarian for 5 years before that. Living an ethical life as free of cruelty to non-human animals as possible, is not only easy, but also a boon for the environment and your health.

Surprisingly, I've received less grief about being vegan from those on the Right, than those on the Left. I've never understood this.

[mucifer]

70. That's weird. I get bullied for being vegan more from the right than the left. On DU people

are nicer about vegan ideas than they were years ago.

[Blue_Tires]

42. "interesting" isn't the word I would use...

[GoCubsGo]

45. It seems to be a regional issue.

My local Kroger had cases full of chicken that they marked down to half price yesterday. Eggs have been pricey and sometimes scarce, but that's partly due to having two hurricanes hit our region, which destroyed a lot of poultry farms that produce eggs. Pork and dairy seem to go in a similar cycle, where they're expensive, and then get marked down due to a glut.

[Voltaire2]

46. Pasteurized milk is safe and abundant.

It is only raw milk that can transmit viruses. That is the point of pasteurization.

But anyway I’m vegan. None of that panic applies to me.

[DeepWinter]

50. Suspect it's local to you

Was at the grocery store last night and everythings well stocked, decent prices. Flyover country FTW!

[Jit423]

51. Plenty of eggs here in MD right outside of DC. Aldi eggs $2.49/doz.

All the parking lots at malls and strip malls are full with people waiting in aisles to get a parking space. Gas went up overnight about 12 cents/gal. Otherwise people are out shopping for their New Years parties. No one is in good spirits and it doesn't seem like season holidays. No joy on anyone's face, even little kids.

Hoping we all have a better than we think New Year.

[yardwork]

53. Bob Kennedy will fix it. /sarcasm

[Diamond_Dog]

55. We gave up red meat and all pork products at least 10 years ago.

Just trying to eat healthier. I don’t miss it at all.

[NickB79]

56. Bird flu isn't affecting beef and pork production yet at least

Cattle can be infected, and show reduced milk output while sick, but it doesn't kill them, thankfully. And I haven't heard any reports that it's infecting hog operations.

But yeah, eggs, chicken meat and dairy prospects are looking more expensive in the coming months. Still plenty of it on the shelves here in the Midwest though. My flock of chickens hasn't laid an egg in weeks, but that's normal this time of year. when the days are short and dreary. I may install a light in their coop to boost egg laying. Thankfully I have a freezer full of venison, rabbit, wild turkey and squirrels. And after the New Year, it's gonna be time to break out the ice house and start bagging some crappies.

[FirstLight]

69. Pork is still the worst meat we can eat, though...

It's a regular occurence to have slaughter pigs on the factory farms with tumors all through them. Saw a documentary years ago that definitely makes me less inclined towards pork than anything.

I was eating Macrobiotically for a couple years in my 20's, butter and cheese were our only "cheats" because vegan cheese is sorely lacking, imo. But yeah, that was the healthiest I'd ever been in my life. I'd mlike to return to that eventually... sooner than later.

My son and his GF and her 2yo are in my house right now till they find a place and I hate eating with them. They've been SO poor for SO long, all they want is hamburger helper and crap... I can't get my son to eat a vegetable unless I hide it in a smoothie... *eyeroll*

[rickford66]

57. Two dozen organic eggs at Wegman's for eight bucks.

I'd better ration mine unless someone has gold coins to trade.

[Jacson6]

58. I found eggs in my lil' town in CA and they are $12 a carton. Capitalism at work. N/T

[Iggo]

62. California's a big place.

We got eggs all over the place here in LA. and Orange County.

[calimary]

64. Egging us on!

Sorry, Iggo. I couldn’t resist!

[Iggo]

66. That's alright. I may have spoke too soon.

The app said they were available, but the app lied.

[VGNonly]

71. I'm vegan, whole food, plant based, organic.

I eat cheaply, simply and very healthfully.