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DetlefK

(16,670 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 05:09 PM Dec 2024

There's a famous soviet joke:

An old man walks up to a newsstand. He buys a newspaper, looks at the front-page and throws it right into the trash-can next to the stand. The next day, he does the same: He buys a newspaper, looks at the front-page and throws it into the trash. And the next day he does the same. And the next, and the next.

Eventually, the sales-guy asks the man why he keeps doing that: Buying a newspaper, looking at the front and throwing it away.
- "I'm just looking for an obituary."
- "But obituaries are at the end of the newspaper, not on the front-page!"
- "Oh, the one I'm looking for will be on the front-page."

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There's a famous soviet joke: (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2024 OP
Love it. Diamond_Dog Dec 2024 #1
I look at internet sites every day for similar news. sop Dec 2024 #2
What do you russian napkins brettdale Dec 2024 #3
I wonder how many people know what napkins used to be called? niyad Dec 2024 #7
A serviette. joshdawg Dec 2024 #9
That's also the word they use in Germany FakeNoose Dec 2024 #17
Servilleta enid602 Dec 2024 #29
Was listening to a mystery set in England Marthe48 Dec 2024 #20
My English wife calls it that. Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #23
Older Brits, who still hear the word "napkin" and have an image of a diaper (a full one.) soldierant Dec 2024 #24
I always call them serviettes Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2024 #26
Aren't serviettes more like the smaller square napkins given with hors d'oeuvres? TheBlackAdder Dec 2024 #31
No. In most western countries a regular napkin is a serviette. Just US and Canada use napkin ratchiweenie Dec 2024 #35
Huh, three sites show napkin is the posh version and serviette is less than posh. TheBlackAdder Dec 2024 #36
Champagne is only correct when one is referring to wines from a niyad Dec 2024 #43
The guy would throw a sanitary napkin on the bar. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2024 #39
I had no clue Polybius Dec 2024 #41
Happy we could help. niyad Dec 2024 #44
Thanks! Polybius Dec 2024 #45
An old Benny Hill joke. louis-t Dec 2024 #37
You should edit, you forgot to put "call" in the title Polybius Dec 2024 #42
A (soviet) guy Turbineguy Dec 2024 #4
That's an old classic from the Cold War days. It was featured... keep_left Dec 2024 #10
I should have added: Turbineguy Dec 2024 #12
Hahaha Awesome! Bluethroughu Dec 2024 #5
Another Soviet era joke. boonecreek Dec 2024 #6
Pravda means "truth" and SCantiGOP Dec 2024 #19
One of my history teachers told that one Marthe48 Dec 2024 #21
Yeah, I knew the meaning of tne words, boonecreek Dec 2024 #22
The Russians used to joke bif Dec 2024 #28
A Russian worker was asked why he was loafing. Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #25
The difference between Communism and Capitalism Otto_Harper Dec 2024 #8
Every morning I rush to the internet FoggyLake Dec 2024 #11
I've been watching the news obsessively hoping for his downfall MadameButterfly Dec 2024 #16
I check Latest Breaking News at DU regularly hoping to generalbetrayus Dec 2024 #13
Here's a Joke from the future. Wolf Frankula Dec 2024 #14
Next 4 years, we will all be doing just that liberal N proud Dec 2024 #15
Heh, that's a good one. electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #18
I once read a variation of an old Russian joke that went completely over my head at the time. Grokenstein Dec 2024 #27
That sums it up for me Asarchus45 Dec 2024 #30
I copied this from someone's post on DU in 2022: Drum Dec 2024 #32
I'm reading Patriot by Alexei Navalny -- byronius Dec 2024 #33
Wonder how many legions of folks already are doing that very thing. calimary Dec 2024 #34
That 3auld6phart Dec 2024 #38
I doubt this is a Soviet joke Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #40
Wrong. It is a classic. Living in a society where it is very dangerous to criticize the Fearless Leader by name. Same Martin68 Dec 2024 #47
Yeah, I guess, but would love some provenance Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #48
I'm surprised you feel the need for provenance on a subject like this. Here's a link to a site that collects old soviet Martin68 Dec 2024 #52
I got it from a russian colleague. (nt) DetlefK Dec 2024 #49
Classic Soviet joke: never name names. Martin68 Dec 2024 #46
A joke in the same vein: Martin Eden Dec 2024 #50
OMG, that was me J-9 Dec 2024 #51

sop

(18,621 posts)
2. I look at internet sites every day for similar news.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 05:27 PM
Dec 2024

I almost found what I was looking for last July 13.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
7. I wonder how many people know what napkins used to be called?
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 07:12 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Fri Dec 27, 2024, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)

joshdawg

(2,965 posts)
9. A serviette.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:04 PM
Dec 2024

Some people, not sure who, might still describe a table napkin with that word.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
17. That's also the word they use in Germany
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:33 PM
Dec 2024

I heard "Serviette" spoken in Germany, and I assumed they were using a French word.

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
23. My English wife calls it that.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:49 PM
Dec 2024

The first time I heard it I didn't know what she was talking about.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
24. Older Brits, who still hear the word "napkin" and have an image of a diaper (a full one.)
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:51 PM
Dec 2024

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
26. I always call them serviettes
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:53 PM
Dec 2024

Only because there was a gay bar in Provincetown that had a bartender that was kind of a one man floor show/comedy act - whenever someone would ask for a napkin he would through a “napkin” on the bar and say I think you meant serviette.

And now all my family says serviette because they are grossed out by the story and don’t want to hear it anymore.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
31. Aren't serviettes more like the smaller square napkins given with hors d'oeuvres?
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:26 AM
Dec 2024

They're smaller and made of a thinner, harder and less porous paper.

Napkins are typically rectangular, softer and much larger.

ratchiweenie

(8,215 posts)
35. No. In most western countries a regular napkin is a serviette. Just US and Canada use napkin
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 08:07 AM
Dec 2024

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
36. Huh, three sites show napkin is the posh version and serviette is less than posh.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 10:05 AM
Dec 2024
Check out the following list, with the posh word on the left and the, well, less posh version on the right:

Alcohol - Booze
Antique/Old - Vintage
Avocado - Avo
Basement - Lower ground
Champagne/Prosecco - Bubbly/fizz
Cooked breakfast - Full English
Film - Movie
(I'm) finished - (I'm) done
Hello - Hey
Invitation - Invite
Lavatory - Toilet
May I have - Can I get
Napkin - Serviette
Pudding - Sweet/Dessert/Afters
Pyjamas - PJs
Repartee - Banter
Restaurant - Eatery
Sitting/Drawing Room - Lounge
Sofa - Settee/Couch
Takeaway - Deliveroo
Taxi - Uber
Telephone/phone - iPhone/Blackberry
Term - Semester
Toasted sandwich - Toastie
(Do you) understand (me)? - (Do you) get (me)?
University - Uni
What? - Pardon?
Wine - Vino
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/posh-words-proof-upper-class-english-etiquette-expert-napkin-serviette-lounge-drawing-room-a8048311.html



The following article does a deep dive between the works in how they are used in the UK.

Social class often dictated the language of the table in England, with certain terms considered posher than others. During the mid-20th century, this distinction in word usage became a pointed topic of discussion, underlining the strong link between linguistic choices and social status. Some etiquette guides of the time insisted on the use of 'napkin' for formal occasions, associating it with the upper echelons of society. These guides positioned the term serviette as less formal, more aligned with informal gatherings and family meals. This variance in usage has sometimes sparked lively debates, with people defending their preferred term with surprising vigor.

(but in the 18th century that was reversed by the British, and some people try to cling to its old use)

By the 18th century, this distinction became more pronounced as industrialization brought about changes in class structures. Napkins, often seen as more utilitarian, were favored in more casual settings, whereas serviettes began to denote a touch of class. This distinction persisted into the 19th and early 20th centuries, where the terms became a part of colloquial language that indicated more than just dining habits. It reflected an emphasis on the nuances of British etiquette, teaching us that the language of dining was as much about the food as it was about the societal norms governing those who ate.

https://cozycove.co.uk/why-the-british-refer-to-napkins-as-serviettes-kitchenware-insights#napkin-vs.-serviette-a-delicate-distinction



This site states that the difference is that napkins are cloth and serviettes are more paper-based.

The terms "napkin" and "serviette" are both associated with dining and refer to a piece of material (cloth or paper) that aids in cleanliness. In American English, "napkin" is the more common term used to describe this item. Napkins can be made of cloth or paper and are provided for diners to wipe their mouths or fingers during or after eating. Restaurants often fold cloth napkins in decorative ways, enhancing the dining experience.
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On the other hand, "serviette" is a term primarily used in British English. While it can refer to both cloth and paper napkins, it's more commonly associated with paper napkins. In Britain, if someone asks for a "serviette," they're likely expecting a paper one, whereas a "napkin" might be understood as a cloth one.
https://www.difference.wiki/napkin-vs-serviette/




UPDATE: Here's one that also makes the distinction on its use.

The French court had codes of etiquette for the aristocracy, which included how to use a napkin, when to use it and finally how far to unfold it in the lap. A French treatise dating from 1729 stated that "It is ungentlemanly to use a napkin for wiping the face or scraping the teeth and a most vulgar error to wipe one's nose with it.” This of course is very much still the rule for using a napkin to this day. In 1740 table cloths were made with matching napkins. Dining Napkins can be from 18” x 18” up to 27” x 27”.

Now to a Serviette which is a also piece of cloth or paper and again similar to a napkin but this was used more for meals where you stand up, similar to cocktail napkins. The Chinese are believed to have used paper napkins in 2 BC. A serviette is an old French meaning “to serve”.

In 1954 Nancy Mitford wrote in her essay on “The English Aristocracy” that to say serviette was not correct and the right term is napkin. This of course is a debate that continues as some people mistakenly think that a paper napkin is a serviette which is course is incorrect as a napkin is made from paper as well as cloth. As mentioned, napkin means cloth which is exactly what we use to this very day for formal meals. Paper Napkins tend to be used for cocktail receptions and similar.
https://www.theroyalbutler.co.uk/post/napkin-etiquette


niyad

(132,440 posts)
43. Champagne is only correct when one is referring to wines from a
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:28 PM
Dec 2024

specific region in France. All others are sparkling wines (bubbly, in the vernacular) such as Cavas in Spain, Proseccos in Italy, and the American ones.

Turbineguy

(40,074 posts)
4. A (soviet) guy
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 05:54 PM
Dec 2024

walks into a butcher's shop.

He asks, "Do you have some fish today"

The shopkeeper answers, "We don't have meat here, they don't have fish at the shop across the street!"

keep_left

(3,210 posts)
10. That's an old classic from the Cold War days. It was featured...
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:17 PM
Dec 2024

...in the period drama The Americans, which was set in the last years before the Wall came down. Ironically, the joke appears in the show as part of a conversation between two members of the Rezidentura.

I remember first hearing that joke in the late '80s from a Latvian refugee who obviously was not a big fan of the USSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Americans

Turbineguy

(40,074 posts)
12. I should have added:
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:29 PM
Dec 2024

I read this joke in a book called the "Rosa Luxemburg Contraceptive Cooperative".

About the wonders of the workers paradise. It was a short read.

boonecreek

(1,509 posts)
6. Another Soviet era joke.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 06:58 PM
Dec 2024

A woman gives her young son some money and tells him
"get me a Pravda, your sister a Komsomol Pravda and your
father an Izvestia." On the way to the newsstand he runs into
the old man who asks where hes going. He tells him "to get
the papers". The old man takes the money saying "we can
get the news from the radio" and heads back to bar. The kid
goes back home and tells his mother what happened. She
gives him more money and tells him "get me a Pravda, your
sister a Komsomol Pravda and your father can wipe his ass
on the radio."

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
19. Pravda means "truth" and
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:42 PM
Dec 2024

Izvestia means “news.”
The old Soviet joke was that there was no Pravda in Izvestia, and no Izvestia in Pravda.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
21. One of my history teachers told that one
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:47 PM
Dec 2024

I couldn't remember how it went, but never forgot the gist.

bif

(27,000 posts)
28. The Russians used to joke
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:41 AM
Dec 2024

that every morning they wiped their asses with the truth!

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
25. A Russian worker was asked why he was loafing.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:52 PM
Dec 2024

He said,
"They pretend to pay me.
I pretend to work"

Otto_Harper

(822 posts)
8. The difference between Communism and Capitalism
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 2024

In Capitalism, man exploits his fellow man. In Communism it is the other way around.

FoggyLake

(314 posts)
11. Every morning I rush to the internet
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:19 PM
Dec 2024

...to see if a certain a-hole has croaked. Not a joke. Every. single. morning. And sometimes at night.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
16. I've been watching the news obsessively hoping for his downfall
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:06 PM
Dec 2024

for 10 years. At first I thought he wouldn't last a year. Politically. Now I think nothing can stop him politically but I don't see him living out his term. And he will disappear from public view long before that.

How that will play out for the rest of us is anyone's guess.

generalbetrayus

(1,860 posts)
13. I check Latest Breaking News at DU regularly hoping to
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:35 PM
Dec 2024

see the obituary I’m (no pun intended) dying to see.

Wolf Frankula

(3,835 posts)
14. Here's a Joke from the future.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 09:51 PM
Dec 2024

Three men met in a prison camp. They were asked "Why are you here?" The first one answered, "I'm here because in 2020 I said bad things about Vladimir Putin." The second one answered, "I'm here because in 2025 I said good things about Vladimir Putin." The third one answered, "I'm here because I'm Vladimir Putin."

Wolf

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
18. Heh, that's a good one.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 10:40 PM
Dec 2024

I've often had that mentally tucked in a corner as I open DU, or Google.

Grokenstein

(6,356 posts)
27. I once read a variation of an old Russian joke that went completely over my head at the time.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 11:45 PM
Dec 2024

Russian Actor: "I starred in a great Russian tragedy. Everybody die. I starred in a great Russian comedy. Everybody die. I starred in a great Russian fantasy. Everybody die...but they die happy!"

This was back in the mid-'70s, so I'm paraphrasing from memory here. It stuck with me all this time because I was just too young to get it and that pissed me off. I get it now, and it makes me sad. (And Google has just shown me that it's been told and re-told in various forms throughout the ages.)

Asarchus45

(8 posts)
30. That sums it up for me
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:53 AM
Dec 2024

I don’t really care what he may say or do. While I wish him well, I say this in the same spirit as he said it concerning Gisleane Maxwell.

Drum

(10,678 posts)
32. I copied this from someone's post on DU in 2022:
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:39 AM
Dec 2024

Russian waiting in ATM line: “This is f*@#ed up, I'm leaving to go kill Putin.”
Two hours pass and he returns to the line... His friend asks if he did it.
“Are you kidding me? That line is even longer.”

-credit to Unknown Poster

calimary

(90,021 posts)
34. Wonder how many legions of folks already are doing that very thing.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 03:41 AM
Dec 2024

And how much bigger that number might grow…

Asking for a whole lot of friends.

3auld6phart

(1,683 posts)
38. That
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:44 PM
Dec 2024

Is the same reason I go to DU first thing in the A M.. Hoping to see the Obit of a certain waste of o2 has gone West. . no such luck.
The Orange freak is still here.

Prairie Gates

(8,157 posts)
40. I doubt this is a Soviet joke
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:13 PM
Dec 2024

There's nothing about it that makes it particularly Soviet or even Russian. It could be English, American, German, or whatever.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
47. Wrong. It is a classic. Living in a society where it is very dangerous to criticize the Fearless Leader by name. Same
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:37 PM
Dec 2024

goes for Iran and N.Korea. Trump would like to institute the same type of laws in the US.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
50. A joke in the same vein:
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 04:51 PM
Dec 2024

Trump visits a fortune teller. She stares into her crystal ball, and says "I see you at the front of a huge parade with people lining the streets for miles, dancing and singing."

Trump replies "That's great, how do I look?"

"That I cannot see,"
replies the fortune teller. "The casket is closed."

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