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UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:28 PM Dec 2024

Jack SMITH transfers docs appeal (CANON) to Florida Atty's Office - keeping it alive

This Michael POPOK, Meidas Touch, in the video is one of the most credible of the media Legal PUNDITS, not the ones who waft off with false hopes speculations.


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WHOA! DOJ Drops BOMBSHELL FILING in Trump Case

77,247 views Dec 31, 2024
Special Counsel Jack Smith and President Biden just gave Trump a New Year’s surprise, handing off the Mar a Lago appeal to the main Miami federal prosecutor, rather than dismiss it, in hopes that the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals rules against Judge Cannon and her ruling that the Special Counsel is unconstitutional before the inauguration. Michael Popok reports.

https://thehill.com/homenews/5060483-jack-smith-trump-documents-case-florida/
Smith transfers Mar-a-Lago docs case to US attorney’s office

Special counsel Jack Smith formally withdrew from the Mar-a-Lago documents case Friday, referring the ongoing prosecution of President-elect Trump’s two co-defendants to federal prosecutors in the Southern District of Florida. ....

Smith had challenged a ruling tossing the case from Judge Aileen Cannon, who determined Smith was unlawfully appointed.

That appeal continues, as the Justice Department argues Cannon defied 50 years of precedent regarding special counsels in dismissing the case.

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Jack SMITH transfers docs appeal (CANON) to Florida Atty's Office - keeping it alive (Original Post) UTUSN Dec 2024 OP
So Trump will close it? Captain Zero Dec 2024 #1
Added the video that lays it out. UTUSN Dec 2024 #3
What makes him look worse than being a child rapist? onecaliberal Dec 2024 #9
Meidas is ridiculous Bluetus Dec 2024 #12
The criminals in that state are child rape lovers. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #2
This is the appeal re CANON's ruling Special Counsel "unconstitutional" - not the docs per se. UTUSN Dec 2024 #4
In what universe is this a "bombshell" or even unexpected? onenote Dec 2024 #5
Whew, am glad I'm not who used "bombshell" or would have my feelings hurt. UTUSN Dec 2024 #7
What's the point? Bluetus Dec 2024 #17
I don't know if theres' truth to what you are saying but my impression of Jack Smith is he moved lightnening fast after MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #19
Of course, Garland was the main person who slow-walked this Bluetus Jan 2025 #23
Doubt it's going anywhere unless someone has evidence of trump selling documents directly or giving them away. Silent Type Dec 2024 #6
Again, this is not the Docs part. Might have to Delete thread & re-post for a fresh start. UTUSN Dec 2024 #8
I htought the Cannon case was about the docs MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #20
I pray every day for that to happen MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #21
20 left days for report , Jack. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #10
At first glance I thought "Florida Atty's Office" meant Bondi. Marcuse Dec 2024 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 2024 #13
I just watched the video, and I highly recommend it. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #14
Thanks for the thoughtfully constructive post. UTUSN Dec 2024 #15
My take: the analysis makes no sense onenote Dec 2024 #16
Actually, i appreciated your previous post for amounting to a precis of most of what POPOK covered. UTUSN Dec 2024 #18
I'm still looking for the report/link you are referring to MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #22

Captain Zero

(8,934 posts)
1. So Trump will close it?
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:31 PM
Dec 2024

When he takes office?

That will make Trump look really bad. Could be the end of him stepping over that line.

Bluetus

(2,947 posts)
12. Meidas is ridiculous
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 03:53 PM
Dec 2024

I am not a lawyer, but I'll put my lay-person's opinion against Popok's and we'll see who is right.

Trump will kill this thing the same day his AG is confirmed, and shame will have nothing to do with anything. And there will be no repercussions, legal or political.

Look, we desperately need credible, smart alternate channels for news and activism as the legacy media is disintegrating into irrelevance. Meidas could be an important channel, but far too often, they come in with hysterical, preposterous theories and opinions.

They really need to decide if they want to be a serious channel or the world's most successful click-baiters. They can't be both.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
4. This is the appeal re CANON's ruling Special Counsel "unconstitutional" - not the docs per se.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:51 PM
Dec 2024

As POPOK in the video lays out, this part of the Special Counsel appointment affects all Special Counsel appointments. I guess Drumpf will be able to fire everybody and get it trashed, but will be explosive.




onenote

(46,188 posts)
5. In what universe is this a "bombshell" or even unexpected?
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:59 PM
Dec 2024

Cannon dismissed the case against Trump, Nauta and De Oliveira on the grounds that the Special Counsel appointment was unconstitutional. Smith appealed to the 11th Circuit. On November 26, Smith filed and the 11th Circuit granted a motion to dismiss the appeal as it pertained to Trump, but ONLY as it pertained to Trump. This was clear from Smith's motion and from the court's order, which states:"The dismissal order is for Appellee, Donald J. Trump, only. The appeal will proceed with the remaining Appellees."

Smith also has stated he is stepping down before TRump's inauguration. So his withdrawal from the case and hand off to the federal prosecutors in the SD Fla is essentially a ministerial step, not a bombshell, not a surprise.

More hyperbolic nonsense from MTN.

Bluetus

(2,947 posts)
17. What's the point?
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 08:45 PM
Dec 2024

It is as dead as dead either way. Does Smith think he is being clever here? Evidently the Meidas people do -- or maybe they are just looking for more clicks.

You know, maybe if Smith hadn't tried to be so damned clever, he could have brought some basic charges in the DC district that would have made it to trial a year ago.

MadameButterfly

(4,109 posts)
19. I don't know if theres' truth to what you are saying but my impression of Jack Smith is he moved lightnening fast after
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 05:32 AM
Jan 2025

waiting, waiting, for Garland to do something.

Maybe if he'd been apointed a year earlier, history would be different...

Bluetus

(2,947 posts)
23. Of course, Garland was the main person who slow-walked this
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 10:51 AM
Jan 2025

But I have said since Smith's first month on the job that he was making a huge tactical blunder by trying to develop his own personal magnum opus with these cases. Letting it go to the 11th Circuit was a huge blunder, and nobody should have been surprised that the "random" selection was Cannon.

There were sufficient charges that could and should have been brought in the DC Circuit. Maybe the SCOTUS would have set Trump free, but at least force them to do that in public.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
6. Doubt it's going anywhere unless someone has evidence of trump selling documents directly or giving them away.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 02:02 PM
Dec 2024

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
8. Again, this is not the Docs part. Might have to Delete thread & re-post for a fresh start.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 02:07 PM
Dec 2024

MadameButterfly

(4,109 posts)
21. I pray every day for that to happen
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 05:35 AM
Jan 2025

Not that he did it--I expect that he did--but that the evidence comes outl

Response to UTUSN (Original post)

ShazzieB

(22,716 posts)
14. I just watched the video, and I highly recommend it.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 04:50 PM
Dec 2024

I know we all get tired of Medidas Touch Network's clickbaitinepss, but after watching the video, I think this is a bigger deal than some here want to believe.

I know Meidas Touch can be annoying, but the videos they put out by legal experts like Popok have never disappointed me. Clickbat headlines notwithstanding, I always learn something from them, and this video was no exception. Popok is highly knowledgeable and more than qualified to know what's important when it comes to legal matters. If he thinks this is a big deal (and he does), I'm inclined to take his word for it.

No, this doesn't mean Trump is going directly to jail or anything like that. (Dream on, amirite? ), but I think it's still important for other, more nuanced reasons. I'm not going to try to summarize what Popok said, because I can't explain it anywhere near as clearly as he does in the video.

onenote

(46,188 posts)
16. My take: the analysis makes no sense
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 06:58 PM
Dec 2024

Popok's theory seems to be that Smith stepped aside in order to put pressure on the 11th Circuit to act on the appeal of Cannon's ruling on the constitutionality of the special counsel appointment. Apparently, he also believes that Trump will be deterred from firing the US attorney who now is in charge of the case,

But it's the height of naïveté to think Trump would hesitate to ask the US attorney to resign or hesitate to fire him. Indeed, if keeping the case going was the strategy, Smith would have stayed on, since firing him is more difficult than firing a US attorney -- although Bondi would do so in an instant if Trump tells her too. Finally, in all likelihood, the 11th Circuit would be more than happy to have the case go away, especially with Smith shutting down his office, which means even if the case moved forward under the direction of the US attorney, a reversal of Cannon wouldn't
revive the Special Counsel office.

Smith stepped aside because he wants to be gone before Trump tries to fire him. He knows that Trump can and will derail the case against Nauta and de Oliveira -- or Trump will pardon them, mooting the case.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
18. Actually, i appreciated your previous post for amounting to a precis of most of what POPOK covered.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 09:12 PM
Dec 2024

And he covered the norms of near 100% replacement of attorneys at changes of (partisan) administrations. Who is so naive to think Drumpf won't get a straggler fired? And why is a supposition/mental construct like that implication worthy of torpedoing the topic?

*** What's got me testy here is that a simple topic worthy of discussion, that started by being popped in the day's news, is not allowed to sink on its own if it needs to.




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